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2007-01-05 Home Front: WoT

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Posted by Steve White 2007-01-05 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I think it will happen again. The Guardsmen are there just for show.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2007-01-05 00:22|| 2007-01-05 00:22|| Front Page Top

#2 Apparent ROE - smile, wave.

Posted by PBMcL 2007-01-05 00:28|| 2007-01-05 00:28|| Front Page Top

#3 where is the outrage from our government?
This needs to stop.
"Those guardsmen were forced to retreat."
unf***ingbelievable. That gunmen from Mexico are able to come into our country like this.
"However, no Guardsmen were injured in the incident."
So what, we'll wait until more are killed before we act?

Posted by Jan 2007-01-05 00:36|| 2007-01-05 00:36|| Front Page Top

#4 A U.S. Border Patrol entry Identification Team site was overrun Wednesday night along Arizona's border with Mexico.

START DEFENDING THE DAMN BORDER!!!!!

Arm the Border Patrol and NG with large-caliber automatic weapons and orders to fire on ANYONE attempting to cross the border. Shoot to kill, and don't ask questions later.

Our enemies are never going to fear us so long as we're too damn squeamish to defend our own borders against armed invaders.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2007-01-05 07:12|| 2007-01-05 07:12|| Front Page Top

#5 Can we hire some Kenyans to help?

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2007-01-05 07:26|| 2007-01-05 07:26|| Front Page Top

#6 Can we hire some Kenyans to help?

They can do the job Americans aren't allowed to do.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2007-01-05 07:37|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2007-01-05 07:37|| Front Page Top

#7 US Colonels and Generals are relieved of command when their troops run away, no matter what the circumstances, including overwhelming enemy force.

I expect to see such command terminations immediately.

This concludes any further discussion about ROEs.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-01-05 07:53|| 2007-01-05 07:53|| Front Page Top

#8 N.B.: The headline for this story should be changed to "American soldiers run away when US invaded".

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-01-05 07:56|| 2007-01-05 07:56|| Front Page Top

#9 US Colonels and Generals are relieved of command when their troops run away, no matter what the circumstances, including overwhelming enemy force.

Unless of course the troops were withdrawing under orders from higher command or previously established ROE's. Then it isn't so much a matter of "running away" as it is spinelessness on the part of those in command and their civilian masters.

The Government (Federal or State) isn't going to do anything...period. The Feds, because they are in favor of this, the States won't do anything effective because of the threat of losing Federal funds.

N O T H I N G, is going to be done until regular citizens take direct action in an organized fashion, regardless of personal legal consequences. Want to do something? Bring your friends, supplies and weapons and meet me at the border. Otherwise, everyone that whines about this is wasting their time. The Government does nothing, because we do nothing, of any substance anyway.

Want to see the fuse lit on the powder keg? Then let a few hundred private citizens kill a bunch of border violators. The whole issue would come out of stealth mode real quick.

Posted by Chuck Darwin 2007-01-05 08:45|| 2007-01-05 08:45|| Front Page Top

#10 Update: I'm sorry, this should have said:

N O T H I N G, is going to be done until regular citizens take direct action in an organized fashion, regardless of personal legal and financial consequences.

Posted by Chuck Darwin 2007-01-05 08:47|| 2007-01-05 08:47|| Front Page Top

#11 The pols won't seriously react till there is another Columbus, New Mexico incident.

Posted by Procopius2k 2007-01-05 09:18|| 2007-01-05 09:18|| Front Page Top

#12 How very French of us.....

Posted by OyVey1 2007-01-05 10:30|| 2007-01-05 10:30|| Front Page Top

#13 It is gonna take a overthrow of the current batch of spineless surrender monkeys we have in Washington to get ANYTHING done.

Or the states are gonna have to take matters into their own hands like they should have done years ago. (Hello? Anyone remember state's rights?)

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-01-05 10:57|| 2007-01-05 10:57|| Front Page Top

#14 Has Operation Brush This Under The Rug started yet?

Posted by tu3031 2007-01-05 11:08|| 2007-01-05 11:08|| Front Page Top

#15 This has been happening more and more frequently lately. The American public (by a LARGE majority) favors sealing the border rubbermaid tight and pronto. Why won't the beltway types listen? We've had several shootouts at the border, one B.P. agent killed, and one incursion (supposedly by the Mexican military itself, not just the drug/illegals runners) TEN MILES inside our border! Geebus, this p!sses me right off!

The Minutemen Project had their head full of steam with public support. Corruption floundered that (although, I understand they're still building that private fence in AZ). Actually, we need to take it one step further, because just being "eyes and ears" for the B.P. is a waste of time, as long as the federal "catch and release" game is played. Add to it, California's prison population is now upwards of 25% illegals (I'm sure TX and AZ aren't far behind), that costs US billions! This one issue (along with general Uncle Sam spending) probably cost Bush & Co. the 2006 Congressional elections.

I just can't get over how simple it is to see (and how much TRULY it's tied to the WoT) that Bush can't "get it." If the pubbies ran on a shut down the border/deal with those here later platform, they'd be running Congress for the next 20 years!

Posted by BA 2007-01-05 11:11|| 2007-01-05 11:11|| Front Page Top

#16 tu: Yeah, it was started by the MSM by NOT even reporting it in the first place. Note you have to find it on www.azcentral.com to even read about it.

Posted by BA 2007-01-05 11:12|| 2007-01-05 11:12|| Front Page Top

#17 Well I saw it on FOX, but that's about it.

Posted by tu3031 2007-01-05 11:13|| 2007-01-05 11:13|| Front Page Top

#18 If you think this border shit is an accident, think again. This comes direct from Bush. No engagements. NG on the border was a show horse only. These people probably have direct orders to not engage and cause incidents (otherwise known as dead Mexican Federal Police ). The border is to remain wide open. Ports are wide open. What a farce. We send soldiers everywhere on the globe , but none to defend US. When private citizens venture forth, they are threatened by the US gov't. What is going on??

Posted by SpecOp35 2007-01-05 11:16|| 2007-01-05 11:16|| Front Page Top

#19 You want to know why they dont want to stop Pedro the pusher at the border?

Because the wimpy washington poobahs want to incorporate Canada, US and Mexica as one entity and ergo:
the border problems disappear !
Not.

Posted by Christyouronlyhope 2007-01-05 11:30|| 2007-01-05 11:30|| Front Page Top

#20 That's right and if you scumbag citizens don't like it, then go to hell. And pay your own way, your not getting shit from us elites in the Fed.
And if this bullshit whining keeps up, you'll get martial law. So shut up !
[/snrk]

Posted by wxjames 2007-01-05 11:43|| 2007-01-05 11:43|| Front Page Top

#21 I don't believe this is spinelessness on the part of our "beltway types". I think it's worse than that. I believe that there are some very influential fat cats who have too much money at stake to allow anything to be done about this. Drugs, cheap labor...you name it. Our government is just as crooked as Mexico's.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2007-01-05 11:59|| 2007-01-05 11:59|| Front Page Top

#22 I've heard the National Guard we've put on the border are unarmed. That tells you most of what you need to know.

Posted by Classical_Liberal 2007-01-05 12:20|| 2007-01-05 12:20|| Front Page Top

#23 I just can't get over how simple it is to see (and how much TRULY it's tied to the WoT) that Bush can't "get it."

Bush "gets it", they all get it. It is being done deliberately. The country has been sold down the river! Lock, stock and barrel, and the checks have been cashed. The media is complicit. I predict that 2007 is the year it all comes unraveled.

Posted by Chuck Darwin 2007-01-05 13:03|| 2007-01-05 13:03|| Front Page Top

#24 Chuck Darwin: We are rapidly reaching the point where there will be a cross-border "incident" with a bunch of people getting killed.

I would prefer that they be uniform wearing, but ex-Mexican army Zetas that are hosed north of the border, with lots of gruesome photos showing their dead bodies. Of course, they may also be Mexican army regulars.

However, I suspect that it will be when a large band of Mexicans crosses over and slaughters a bunch of Americans. Essentially a Columbus, NM raid, but very bloody, with lots of arson, rape and robbery.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-01-05 13:11|| 2007-01-05 13:11|| Front Page Top

#25 It's way past time to let some good old fashioned vigilante goon squads roam about the area. Maybe that would spur the govt. into action.

Posted by Tholuck Hupelet6333 2007-01-05 13:28|| 2007-01-05 13:28|| Front Page Top

#26 It's way past time to let some good old fashioned vigilante goon squads roam about the area. Maybe that would spur the govt. into action.

The only Govt. action it would spur, would be those old fashioned vigilan...er...uh, fine upstanding citizens being tossed into jail.

Posted by Chuck Darwin 2007-01-05 14:25|| 2007-01-05 14:25|| Front Page Top

#27 We can issue badges.

Posted by wxjames 2007-01-05 15:09|| 2007-01-05 15:09|| Front Page Top

#28 Two Reasons our politcal cowards won't do sh*t:

1) Cheap non-union labor for duplicitous un-patriotic corporations/companies etc who give big campaign contributions to RINO's in order to ensure nothing happens to their infinite flow of labor on the border.

2) Potential voting block of ignorant manual laborers for the parasitical (yet oh so dementedly compassionate) demorats.

That's all there is to it. Look where most of the senators in the aforementioned border states stand on immigration - McCain is a total p*ssy and will be an even worse president wrt illegals. Tancredo is the only guy (Colorado) that I have seen who has a clue & is trying to stop this sh*t. I won't even mention any dems because 80% of them love this. I think maybe only the blue dog dems will be any source of reason in congress, and I don't give that much water.

F*ck both sides of the aisle. We've had yrs to un-f*ck this and they sit on their asses. What's the avg congressional work week? Like 3 days or something according to some non-partisan FWA watchdog groups - damn sickening. I worked 7 days a week in Iraq for almost 7 months to protect another country's sovereignty and these jokers can't do more than 12 days a month!! I think it may be time to invoke Jefferson and water the tree of liberty.
(rant/off)
I love my country but some times hate my gov't.

Posted by Broadhead6 2007-01-05 15:14|| 2007-01-05 15:14|| Front Page Top

#29 Oh, my bad, there are really three reasons:

3) Every nut-less political hack is afraid of being tagged w/the "R" word. As if Mexicans are a race unto themselves. BTW - f*ck Paul Rodriguez.

Posted by Broadhead6 2007-01-05 15:16|| 2007-01-05 15:16|| Front Page Top

#30 BH6/Tom Tancredo for President/V.P. 2008!

Of course, that's only if JOE M doesn't succeed in his bid, mind you!

Posted by BA 2007-01-05 15:20|| 2007-01-05 15:20|| Front Page Top

#31 I think it's time to start emailing our Congresscritters a copy of the Declaration of Independence, with the second half of the second paragraph highlighted and underlined. I doubt they get the message, but maybe, just maybe, it'll give them an idea why their asses are being targeted by "fine, upstanding, honest, gun-totin', tax-paying citizens".

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2007-01-05 15:40|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2007-01-05 15:40|| Front Page Top

#32 The benefits of illegal alien labor go to rich, well connected people who give generously to political parties. The costs are spread out over every taxpayer. As a politician who spends the majority of time raising campaign cash, who are you going to listen to, Ritchie Rich with a $5-10,000 check or Joe Sixpack with a gripe about losing his middle class job and relegated to an $8/hour McJob?

Posted by ed 2007-01-05 15:54|| 2007-01-05 15:54|| Front Page Top

#33 This will come back to bite us in the ass if it hasn't already. We have no control of our borders. We have no idea who is in this country. The illegals could be Mexicans or AQ or any other group wanting to conduct terrorist activities. Our ~~nutless~~ feckless politicians are incompetent to do anything or don't want to do anything because of self-interests.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-01-05 16:36|| 2007-01-05 16:36|| Front Page Top

#34 McCain and PC took away the soapbox. OJ and multiculturalism took away the jury box. Dem voter fraud and Trunk fecklessness took away the ballot box. What's left, the ammunition box?

Posted by SR-71 2007-01-05 16:46|| 2007-01-05 16:46|| Front Page Top

#35 It's attacks on our nation like this that make me despair. This won't be solved until we end up with a second Mexican-American war.

Posted by Charles 2007-01-05 17:05|| 2007-01-05 17:05|| Front Page Top

#36 You folks aren't Dire enough, I fear the Wetback Bomb and the incineration of all that is good and holy in South Texas. Naturally I blame Bush and his slaveholding mentality for this horrific development.

Posted by Shipman 2007-01-05 18:52|| 2007-01-05 18:52|| Front Page Top

#37 #22..right..Nat'l guard are unarmed...
But now so are the Tijuana police...all 2300 of them...3000 Army/federal police have moved into TJ this week and are collecting weapons from the TJ police..ballistic tests to follow...

Posted by crazyhorse 2007-01-05 22:21|| 2007-01-05 22:21|| Front Page Top

#38

Posted by crazyhorse 2007-01-05 22:45|| 2007-01-05 22:45|| Front Page Top

#39 Re: #27:

"I don't need no stinkin' badge!"

Posted by borgboy 2007-01-05 23:36|| 2007-01-05 23:36|| Front Page Top

#40 Border Patrol spokesman says there was no attack & armed infiltators were not even aware of the Guard's presence. Video interview posted on azcentral.com of an aide to the AZ governor saying the National Guard was following their orders in withdrawing.
National MSM continue their shoddy and politically biased lack of coverage...

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2007-01-05 23:42|| 2007-01-05 23:42|| Front Page Top

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