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After Immigration Raid, Town Virtually Depopulates....

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Posted by Swamp Blondie 2007-02-09 06:39|| || Front Page|| [12 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "These are my people,"

So slam him with accessory and conspiracy for felony convictions and strip him of his naturalization, then ship him 'home' to his 'people'.

When you become an 'American' you give up loyalty to blood and buy into the loyalty to a concept greater than that. Now for those you think the forgoing was racist or nativist, tell me how you can then NOT round up people because of their ethnic background if they are permitted loyalty to blood over countrymen. It doesn't sell both ways.

Posted by Procopius2k 2007-02-09 09:13|| 2007-02-09 09:13|| Front Page Top

#2 I thought newly nationalized people had to take an oath along these lines.

I will defend the Constitution and laws of the United States...

I reject any former allegiance to a foreign nation, sovereign or potentate

Posted by JFM">JFM 2007-02-09 09:50|| 2007-02-09 09:50|| Front Page Top

#3 Aguilar disputes that, saying it was only 15 percent. [illegal immigrant residents before the raid].

But after the raid the town is nearly deserted. With an estimate such as that, it's safe to assume Aguilars financial records and tax statements have a similar level of accuracy.

Posted by DepotGuy 2007-02-09 10:11|| 2007-02-09 10:11|| Front Page Top

#4 JFM, thanks.

Posted by RWV 2007-02-09 10:11|| 2007-02-09 10:11|| Front Page Top

#5 After Immigration Raid, Town Virtually Depopulates

Jeez. That's too bad...

Posted by tu3031 2007-02-09 10:35|| 2007-02-09 10:35|| Front Page Top

#6 1. Cry me a river
2. Remember your oath to your new country
3. If you can't do 1 or 2, get the fuck out and leave your citizenship at the border for someone else who really deserves it.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-02-09 10:36|| 2007-02-09 10:36|| Front Page Top

#7 Mario Lux, 26, from the town of Canilla in Quiché, said the piece of paper that gave him his work name cost him $1,400 and was obtained for him by a friend in Cactus. With that document, Lux said he got an identification card in nearby New Mexico and then a job at the Swift plant in March 2006, cutting fat and gristle off meat for $11.90 an hour. He was not working the day of the raid but now will not return for fear of being discovered and arrested. He says that he still owes $3,200 to the smuggling network that got him to Cactus and that he has been unable to send money to his wife and three children back home. He is also three weeks behind in his rent. He and his three roommates pay $120 a week for their small apartment.

"I have no idea how I will pay that now," Lux said as he stood in the food and clothes pantry established in the Cactus town center.

That bolded part is interesting. I was wondering from where these guys where getting their money to pay the smugglers. I had discounted a credit arrangement, but it now becomes clear: the family stays behind as insurance. The guy doesn't pay the smugglers back directly: they get a cut of the remittances this guy sends back by visiting the wife and kids left behind.

No wonder the mexica immigration groups demand an end to deportations: the guy runs up a debt with unsavory characters to get him into the country, with the understanding that he will pay the debt from work he does while in the country. If the place gets raided and he gets arrested, no money sent back, and the debt doesn't get paid. If the guy is deported back, no money is sent back, the debt doesn't get paid, AND he's the one they'll lean on, instead of the wife and kids.

So let's suppose we continue, or even step up, deportations. Suppose we repeately deport the same guy back to the same town where he has to deal with the same coyotes every time to get him back across the border. Will "I hocked my entire soul to Coyotes and they'll break my legs, or my head, if I don't get into the United States and send more money!" count as a reason for asking for asylum?

Some have suggested that repeat offenders spend a month or two in the pokey before being returned to Mexico. How would the coyotes back home, charged with getting the "low monthly payments" for their services from the family left behind interpret THAT?

Posted by Ptah">Ptah 2007-02-09 12:42|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2007-02-09 12:42|| Front Page Top

#8 I love it when you think out loud, Ptah.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-02-09 13:33|| 2007-02-09 13:33|| Front Page Top

#9 Ptah---good comments. I would think that you would have to ask for asylum outside of the country, like at an embassy, or, if you were here legally, like with a valid passport and possibly a visa. If you broke laws getting into the country, you kinda blew it, I would think.

The real problem with illegal aliens is that they bring the culture of corruption to this country. It is a system buried in our system like a cancer. The dems and the republicans ignore this long term threat to our very existance as a republic in favor of their short term gains, i.e., new source of votes for the dems and a source of cheap labor for the republicans.

In this story, look how the so-called victimized landlord sunk down into this culture of corruption. The actions of illegal aliens is destroying the very fabric of our country and its institutions.

Posted by Alaska Paul">Alaska Paul 2007-02-09 15:09|| 2007-02-09 15:09|| Front Page Top

#10 Awesome, 1 town down, only about 2,000 more to go.

Posted by Broadhead6 2007-02-09 19:25|| 2007-02-09 19:25|| Front Page Top

#11 Sales of tortillas and other staples are down.

How un,un,un, ummm Mexican?

Posted by Redneck Jim 2007-02-09 19:41|| 2007-02-09 19:41|| Front Page Top

#12 JFM-I am not sure about this, but I think that oath applies to citizens only. Resident aliens appear to make it under that limbo bar, and if that is true, that is ANOTHER reason that the proposed guest worker problem is a bad idea (or at least, it SHOULD be to politicians who truly give a damn about the security of the US.)

Found this link, pertaining to employment with UCLA in California:
http://www.payroll.ucla.edu/Alien/e5a-employ.asp

"Oath & Patent - U.S. Permanent Resident Alien
Note: The State Oath of Allegiance is signed by United States citizens only. The Patent Acknowledgment is signed by all University employees... "

Posted by Jules 2007-02-09 21:22|| 2007-02-09 21:22|| Front Page Top

#13 I know I shouldn't have opened up this thread.
It just got my blood pressure up.

AARRRGGGHHHH!

Posted by Jan from work 2007-02-09 22:56|| 2007-02-09 22:56|| Front Page Top

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