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2007-03-17 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Bobby 2007-03-17 09:11|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 "We're not trying to levitate it."

But our allies tried to destroy it with a jetliner.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2007-03-17 09:25|| 2007-03-17 09:25|| Front Page Top

#2 "Allies" Subtle.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-03-17 10:01|| 2007-03-17 10:01|| Front Page Top

#3 The Administration should not have busted heads. They should have shot the bastards down on the spot. They were America's enemies just as much as the Viet Cong in Vietnam's jungles. Actually, they were worse because they were traitors to the country that had raised and nurtured them.

I think if the Internet had existed in 1965 the Vietnam War would have turned out much differently because the MSM would have had competition rather than being the sole source of news. That's the primary reason we're still holding on in Iraq despite four years of total MSM negativism.

Posted by Mac 2007-03-17 10:05|| 2007-03-17 10:05|| Front Page Top

#4 I wonder if they'll have a battery brigade to jump start the electric wheel chairs with dead batteries.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-03-17 10:08|| 2007-03-17 10:08|| Front Page Top

#5 Mac, if we had an internet in 1965, we would not have had a Vietnam war. At draft age at the time, my friends and I discussed the conflict ad nauseum, and we couldn't figure why the US was involved there. We had no history with the place, and we didn't owe the French anything. In fact, Ho Chi Min approached the US for support against the French as a younger man, but was refused.
In the end, it was Lyndon Johnson's war toy, and that's what fed the greater anti-war movement. No Vietnamise or Buddist ever flew an airplane into one of our buildings. I was anti-war in the 1970s, but now, I just want to kill every muslim scumbag. I know the real enemy when I see it.

Posted by wxjames 2007-03-17 11:25|| 2007-03-17 11:25|| Front Page Top

#6 As to Vietnam: in September, 1945, Ho Chi Minh and his organization declared the independence of Vietnam and wrote a declaration that aped, almost word for word in places, the American Declaration of Independence. He treated with American representatives who were arriving in Hanoi at that time to disarm the Japanese occupiers, and promised to work with America if we recognized he and his pals as the legitimate new government.

As it turns out, we'd already promised the French that they could have their Indochina back, so we refused Ho. Might have been the biggest mistake Truman made, in retrospect.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2007-03-17 11:57|| 2007-03-17 11:57|| Front Page Top

#7 A friend of mine was part of a unit inside the Pentagon during the famous "levitation march". He says they had orders to kill any protesters who made it past the entryway.

The troops were wondering what it would be like to be inside a levitated building. The pentagon was also supposed to turn into an orange torus (lifesaver shape) and disappear.

"unfortunately" nothing like that happened, and the Pentagon (all 5 sides of it) is still with us.

I still think today's moonbats don't hold a candle to the 60's moonbats.

Al

Posted by Frozen Al 2007-03-17 12:27|| 2007-03-17 12:27|| Front Page Top

#8 Might have been the biggest mistake Truman made, in retrospect.

Helping the French was a mistake. Not helping Ho wasn't. He was a confirmed commie even then and ultimately would have caused us trouble in some other way.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-03-17 13:16|| 2007-03-17 13:16|| Front Page Top

#9 The Mrs. and I took our dog for a walk this morning in one of the local parks. It happened that there was a anti-war demonstration there. The group looked like an anachronism--out of step with reality and the times. My wife and I talked about the freedom that people will now experience in Iraq and Afghanistan despite the press and misguided protesters. We talked about what don't these people get about 911. The protest must have inspired the dog. She went about her business without much fanfare.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-03-17 14:06|| 2007-03-17 14:06|| Front Page Top

#10 I for one find the idea of an orange Torus disgusting, worser than a turquoise Marlin even.

Posted by Shipman 2007-03-17 14:59|| 2007-03-17 14:59|| Front Page Top

#11 JohnQC, i waz hoping the ending of your comment went something like thisn...

The Mrs. and I took our dog for a walk this morning in one of the local parks. It happened that there was a anti-war demonstration there. The group looked like an anachronism--out of step with reality and the times, so we steered fido right to the front of the barking moonbats and our pup gifted them with a great big steaming pile of ...

;-)

Posted by RD 2007-03-17 15:47|| 2007-03-17 15:47|| Front Page Top

#12 Doc, don't blame it all on Lyndon. He was just trying to honor the chits his predecessors had given. I remember hearing JFK say "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty. This much we pledgeand more. " (1960 Inaugural Speech). Doesn't leave much room for maneuver, does it?

The Kennedy sycophants have done their best for twenty years now to try to persuade historians that JFK was really going to cut and run in Vietnam and would have done so quickly had he not met his fate in Dallas. Maybe they're right, but I doubt it. I've seen the memo that is their main supporting fact. I can't see Kennedy following through on it because widely publicizing that policy in the next election campaign (as the Republicans would surely have done) would have guaranteed he was a one-term President. The lefty sons of whores didn't have nearly the hold on the country they do now and showing cowardice in the face of communism like that would have gotten him kicked to the curb for sure. He wasn't all that popular a President anyway, particularly in the South.

Once we were IN Vietnam, we owed it to the people who had supported us to continue to fight. Our scuttle from Vietnam, just like the British and French backing down at Suez, emboldened our enemies and made what would have been a difficult task exponentially harder. When you get in a war like that, or Iraq, you have to do what needs to be done. If that means another Chechnya--or another Dresden--so be it.

Posted by Mac 2007-03-17 17:57|| 2007-03-17 17:57|| Front Page Top

#13 Mac, Kennedy did show cowardice to the face of Communism, in Cuba, at the Bay of Pigs. Kennedy withheld air support after the CIA and Cuban refugee units were on the beach. That's why some believe the CIA had Kennedy put down, which also explains why Teddy hates America like he does.

Posted by wxjames 2007-03-17 18:32|| 2007-03-17 18:32|| Front Page Top

#14 Excellent point, WXJ. I didn't want to get into that but I also believe that the CIA got Kennedy assassinated for the Bay of Pigs. That cowardly act by itself would have been enough, but there were other things going on as well.

I think that's the reason the truth has never come out. The people who masterminded it were honorable men and some of America's most dedicated patriots. They acted, felt certain to their dying day they had done the right thing for their country, and took the secret to their graves.

Posted by Mac 2007-03-17 19:11|| 2007-03-17 19:11|| Front Page Top

#15 Certainly explains the huge outbreak of crop circles in 1964.

Posted by Shipman 2007-03-17 21:59|| 2007-03-17 21:59|| Front Page Top

#16 If anything, I will suggest the JFK assassination was based in simple, if incorrect, conclusions.

1) JFK had Addison's disease. Here is the Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addison%27s_disease

2) At the time, the only treatment was to give massive doses of cortisone, which were administered to JFK.

3) At the time, it was *incorrectly* thought that giving someone massive doses of cortisone would cause textbook clinical paranoia.

4) JFK could launch nuclear weapons, a fact everyone in power had been made very aware of.

So were you in their shoes, knowing what they thought they knew, what would your conclusions be?

a) The President is sick, and his medicine is driving him insane. He cannot be allowed to remain President under those conditions.

b) If he is willing to resign, he should be encouraged to do so. If he is not, he represents a grave threat to the US.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-03-17 23:28|| 2007-03-17 23:28|| Front Page Top

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