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2007-05-11 Home Front: Politix

Roe, Not Giuliani, Is The Real Abortion Muddle

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Posted by ryuge 2007-05-11 08:13|| || Front Page|| [13 views ] Top

#1 ...I have always been a little confused by something, and let me state up front I'm NOT looking to start a flame war.
My understanding has always been that a good chunk of Roe v. Wade was based on false information provided in the original case by 'Jane Roe'. If that is the case, why wouldn't that invalidate the original SCOTUS decision?
Let me stresss again that I'm not trying to incite a war here; I distinctly remember watching Norma McCorvey ('Jane Roe')state that she was not truthful regarding the circumstances of her pregnancy.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2007-05-11 08:27|| 2007-05-11 08:27|| Front Page Top

#2 To my knowledge man is the the only earthly taxonomic group which utilizes the population control measure of reaching inside the womb in order to terminate the natural continuation of the species. Our society has advanced significantly in our quest for the amelioration of the "perfect type" (ie, societal and personal convenience) from the German-federally funded skeletal studies, feature measurement, twin studies of Mengele. We should all be very proud of our.... "choice."

Posted by Besoeker 2007-05-11 09:34|| 2007-05-11 09:34|| Front Page Top

#3 Legalizing abortion by judicial fiat (Roe v. Wade) instead of by democratic means has its price.

That's the point the 'ends justify the means' crowd try to desperately ignore. We went through a rough challenging and emotional stretch in the early 1960s as a country over the civil rights movement. The Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act were finally passed, but certainly not unanimously and with aspects that were compromises. However, no one today seriously considers repealing the legislation. That's because it was passed through the democratic branches [those subject to the consent of governed] of government.

The price we pay today in filling SCOTUS seats is largely the consequences of the judicial dictate of Roe. For that which issues one day and revoke the next. How many nomination fights have been so pointed and centered around any other issue? How much political capital, resources, and emotion are spent with every nomination just because of one decision? Any thing less than Dred Scott?

The fact that the issue is still volatile today clearly shows that the 'consent of the governed' was never a consideration and that the justices believed that law can be imposed without such a consent. English king or SCOTUS Justice, Jefferson's words of the Declaration of Independence are as true today as they were on July 4, 1776.

Posted by Procopius2k 2007-05-11 10:03|| 2007-05-11 10:03|| Front Page Top

#4 To my knowledge man is the the only earthly taxonomic group which utilizes the population control measure of reaching inside the womb in order to terminate the natural continuation of the species.

Rabbits and such reabsorb their fetuses when conditions are unsuited for having offspring, eg severe overcrowding, neatly avoiding the abortion issue. Most other animals either kill unwanted offspring or simply abandon them. Before abortion methods were developed, humans either exposed unwanted babies where carnivores could find them (the Greeks were fond of nearby hilltops) or sacrificed them to the gods, thus seeing a double benefit from the action. In Communist Romania and Mainland China, unwanted babies are given up for adoption, where too many of them end up more or less as psychopaths.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-05-11 16:37|| 2007-05-11 16:37|| Front Page Top

#5 "To my knowledge man is the the only earthly taxonomic group which utilizes the population control measure of reaching inside the womb in order to terminate the natural continuation of the species."

Lions don't have to worry about finding a way to raise young alone for years if abandoned by the father. They don't have to worry about paying the bills while raising their young. They don't have to worry about leaving their young alone while they go out to hunt for food-they do it, even when sometimes those young die BECAUSE they are left alone. Animals, without the intervention of humans, are at the mercy of their environments and their biology. They die from ugly and painful diseases and some animals are slain for food in horrific ways every day.

Humans are not the same as other creatures in a multitude of ways, nor should we want to be. Humans can't have absoulate control over our environments and biology, but to the extent that we have SOME control over environment and biology, I am not ready to model my life after animals, especially in terms of procreation. I am an animal lover, but imitation is not the way to go.

Posted by Jules 2007-05-11 21:42|| 2007-05-11 21:42|| Front Page Top

#6 When male lions take over a pride from a rival male, they will kill any suckling cubs in that pride, in order for the newly "owned" females to come into heat. Sometimes these males will eat the cubs they have "murdered." The females who thus lose their cubs don't seem to mind much once they come into heat. The lives of animals are a very poor guide for humans.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2007-05-11 23:27|| 2007-05-11 23:27|| Front Page Top

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