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2007-09-10 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Fred 2007-09-10 00:00|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top
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#1 This is the most vile, vain, and adolecent site I have found.

Posted by newc">newc 2007-09-10 00:13|| 2007-09-10 00:13|| Front Page Top

#2 Weekly Standard or Rantburg, newc?

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2007-09-10 00:32|| 2007-09-10 00:32|| Front Page Top

#3 "'No one wants to call [Petraeus] a liar on national TV,' noted one Democratic senator, who spoke on the condition on anonymity. 'The expectation is that the outside groups will do this for us.'

Brave Lions of ~~Islam~~ The US Congress.

Posted by Besoeker 2007-09-10 00:35|| 2007-09-10 00:35|| Front Page Top

#4 I hope this backfires, it's just so idiotic that some people absorb it unless someone counters it with lots of denoucing of MoveOn and some facts about their members.

Posted by Boss Craising2882 2007-09-10 01:17|| 2007-09-10 01:17|| Front Page Top

#5 "General Petraeus or General Betray us? Cooking the books for the White House."

More fact-based, unemotional logic brought to you by the deep thinkers at moveon and aimed at the clear-headed liberal thinkers. All of whom agree that cooking the books is a bad thing.

Posted by gorb 2007-09-10 04:26|| 2007-09-10 04:26|| Front Page Top

#6 It's more left wing projection.

Projection + Narcissism = Leftism.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2007-09-10 05:02|| 2007-09-10 05:02|| Front Page Top

#7 Is anyone shocked by this? Disgusted, yes, but not shocked.

Posted by Mike 2007-09-10 05:52|| 2007-09-10 05:52|| Front Page Top

#8 Oh, that's rich.

If people were prosecuted for sentiments rather than actions then pretty much every MorOn.org poster would be executed for treason.

Posted by Shusotch Squank2158 2007-09-10 05:58|| 2007-09-10 05:58|| Front Page Top

#9 In psychology, psychological projection (or projection bias) is a defense mechanism in which one attributes to others oneâs own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or/and emotions. Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted subconscious impulses/desires without letting the ego recognize them. The theory was developed by Sigmund Freud and further refined by his daughter Anna Freud, and for this reason, it is sometimes referred to as "Freudian Projection"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Posted by Procopius2k 2007-09-10 07:49|| 2007-09-10 07:49|| Front Page Top

#10 Problem is that you can't prove MoveOn is not correct, since any such proof would have to come through Petraeus' office and thus would also be a 'lie' - unless it was actually a lie and thus 'proved' MO's 'truth'. I confuse myself.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2007-09-10 07:56|| 2007-09-10 07:56|| Front Page Top

#11 congrats to the NYT for doing this

1. its revenue for the NYT
2. its a wedge issue that, with luck, will fester and fester and then erupt at the Dems convention

Posted by mhw 2007-09-10 08:08|| 2007-09-10 08:08|| Front Page Top

#12 MorOn is a Soros front is it not?

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2007-09-10 08:47|| 2007-09-10 08:47|| Front Page Top

#13 Byron York, in National Review:

With its full-page General Betray Us? ad in the New York Times, MoveOn.org has once again put itself at the forefront of the antiwar movement. And if past patterns are any guide, a number of Democrats are embarrassed, and even angered, by MoveOns actions but are afraid to reveal the true extent of their feelings. MoveOn simply has too much fundraising clout and a fear-inducing inclination to attack Democrats who stray from the MoveOn line for many in the party to take it on. . . .

Now, with the General Betray Us campaign, those Democrats again face the question: Do they dare to cross MoveOn? Not long after the 2004 elections, Pariser famously said of Democrats, Now its our party. We bought it, we own it, and were going to take it back. The next few days could be crucial in determining whether he was right or not.

Posted by Mike 2007-09-10 08:49|| 2007-09-10 08:49|| Front Page Top

#14 That kettle is really black.

Posted by The Pot">The Pot 2007-09-10 08:55|| http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html]">[http://home.earthlink.net/~sleepyjackal/index.html] 2007-09-10 08:55|| Front Page Top

#15 I would argue that most of MoveOn.org needs to be put on trial for treason and sedition. And most would be found guilty.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-09-10 10:06|| 2007-09-10 10:06|| Front Page Top

#16 "MoveOn simply has too much fundraising clout and a fear-inducing inclination to attack Democrats who stray from the MoveOn line for many in the party to take it on...."

I call it "Wrong Base Syndrome".

The Democratic Party needs to find a new base, one that won't lead it off a cliff by turning them into domestic enemies.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2007-09-10 12:32|| 2007-09-10 12:32|| Front Page Top

#17 all your base are truly belong to us?

Posted by Querent 2007-09-10 13:03|| 2007-09-10 13:03|| Front Page Top

#18 I would argue that most of MoveOn.org needs to be put on trial for treason and sedition. And most would be found guilty.

Not in many of the blue states, unfortunately.

Posted by lotp 2007-09-10 13:22|| 2007-09-10 13:22|| Front Page Top

#19 MorOn is a Soros front is it not?

Yes, Bright Pebbles. A 1960s Stalinist front group all grown up, from what I understand.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-09-10 14:11|| 2007-09-10 14:11|| Front Page Top

#20 Hope a few Senators are putting together a resolution condemning the MoveOn.org ad.

Such a resolution would get a number of Dem co sponsors and only a few Dems would vote against it.

This would make it almost impossible to keep the nutroots out of the spotlight at the Dem Natl nominating convention.

Posted by mhw 2007-09-10 15:26|| 2007-09-10 15:26|| Front Page Top

#21 Mike nails this on both counts:

Is anyone shocked by this? Disgusted, yes, but not shocked.

MoveOn simply has too much fundraising clout and a fear-inducing inclination to attack Democrats who stray from the MoveOn line for many in the party to take it on. . . .

This represents a fundamental moral and ethical bankruptcy of the democratic party. There currently exists for liberals a pre-condition of displacing thought with "feelings" and reason with intuition. A few hundred years ago this amounted to physical suicide. The contributions of intelligent and productive people have made survival far too easy for certain portions of this world's population.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-09-10 16:02|| 2007-09-10 16:02|| Front Page Top

#22 Quite Zenster, quite.

This from bash.org (collects funny and interesting logs from IRC chat - warning, 'adolescent' humour most of the time, but it is *really* funny sometimes)

This one http://bash.org/?4753 is pretty neat;
The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?

Posted by Tony (UK) 2007-09-10 16:50|| 2007-09-10 16:50|| Front Page Top

#23 Somewhere in the Eastern part of our country MoveOn.orc volunteers are furiously folding tin foil hats for the brave legions about to go into battle.

Posted by Spanky Angomoque8497 2007-09-10 17:29|| 2007-09-10 17:29|| Front Page Top

#24 Response!

White House spokesman Tony Snow called it "a boorish, childish, unworthy attack" and called on members of Congress to condemn the ad. By the end of the day, 30 Republican senators and Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., had written to the Democratic Senate Leader, asking him to "join us in making it clear that you do not share the views of Moveon.org, and that you will not join Moveon.org in attacking the character of this fine officer" and House Republicans had introduced a resolution condemning the ad. The GOP presidential candidates added their voices to the chorus as well.

But Democrats said doing so would be falling into a GOP trap and criticized Republicans for trying to change the subject from the substance of Petraeus's testimony.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-09-10 22:31|| 2007-09-10 22:31|| Front Page Top

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