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2008-04-22 Terror Networks

Doc Knothead Sez 9/11 theory propagated by Iran

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Posted by tu3031 2008-04-22 10:08|| || Front Page|| [6 views ] Top
File under: al-Qaeda

#1 Osama bin Laden's chief deputy on Tuesday denied a theory that Israel carried out the Sept. 11 attacks and blamed Iran and Shiite Hezbollah for spreading the idea to discredit the Sunni al-Qaida's strike against the U.S.

I love it! Watch for this to be featured on Animal Planet's "When Memes Collide"

Posted by SteveS 2008-04-22 10:41|| 2008-04-22 10:41|| Front Page Top

#2 My brain just melted a little.

Posted by Seafarious 2008-04-22 11:00|| 2008-04-22 11:00|| Front Page Top

#3 One of the original troofers, RIGHT after 9/11, was a french conspiracy kook/leftist/secular activist named thierry messan, who got an hefty promotion by a crass teevee show host, which really kickstarted his own stuff.
A couple years ago, I read on a leftist website that part of the voltaire.net editors sitbon and other assorted leftists walked out of the org for the severe "dérive" of the org(pro-russia, pro-china, pro-iran, pro-islam), AND, as quoted from wikipedia :
They also claim the existence of links with intelligence agencies, arguing that the Voltaire network had been constructed against such organizations.

IIRC, the "intelligence agencies" named included the french DGSE, and they were claims that meyssan was an "honorable correspondent" and or blackmailed supposedly due to his own very "ambiguous" position regarding homosexuality and pedophilia.
So, having meyssan as a french agent of influence really is not that far-fetched, adn could help explain in part the huge success of his thesis, while he was a very marginal information pusher, known mostly for grandiose claims about the National Front's order service which would be a front for one of those "stay behind" secret armies so favored by the french State over the post-WWII decades (think of the SAC), which were found rather unconvincing, to say the least...

Anyway, years from now, historians will examine the troofers movement, will find it made some good guesses most probably (do you really believe the official truth of 9/11?) here and there, but was overall a rubbish-filled mass paranoia movement... AND will most probably find some VERY interesting connections.

The supposed "CIA link" to the JFK killing, through the infamous Permindex was started by the KGB, through european proxies, then fueled by conspiracy books, either funded or directly pushed by the soviet disinformation apparatus (they were EXCELLENT at disinformation, in fact, they won the cold War of information, no doubt).
Does anyone believe the russians have lost their edge?
I'm 100% certain you can find an Hidden Hand behind the 9/11 troof movement (isn't that ironical?), and it's russian, iranian, arab money,... just as the "peace demonstrations" right before the OIF were organized by the usual suspects, with the full complicity of the "mainstream" european left and some of the so-called "conservatives" (like yacoub ibn shirak and galouzeau "de villpin").

Posted by anonymous5089 2008-04-22 11:14|| 2008-04-22 11:14|| Front Page Top

#4 A very interesting conspiracy theory about 9/11 :

A Russian Agent At The Right Hand Of Bin Laden?

Posted by anonymous5089 2008-04-22 11:16|| 2008-04-22 11:16|| Front Page Top

#5 The Lie That Linked the CIA to the Kennedy Assassination

Also

Soviet Deception: Demoralization of the West
Interviewer was a JBS member, but it remains a very interesting interview.

Posted by anonymous5089 2008-04-22 11:20|| 2008-04-22 11:20|| Front Page Top

#6 "Iran cooperated with the United States in the 2001 U.S. assault on Afghanistan that toppled al-Qaida's allies, the Taliban."

Yes, they did. I have photos of Iranian aircraft flying in American SF personnel to one of the Afghan airports in 2001.

Don't forget that the Taliban had killed some Iranian officials and there had been some border disputes between the Taliban and Iran.

They weren't our allies, but they didn't like the Taliban either.

Al

Posted by Frozen Al 2008-04-22 11:48|| 2008-04-22 11:48|| Front Page Top

#7 anonymous5089: the russian angle is interesting... some people wonder if the USSR never really fell just went through a chapter 11 type reorg now guided by Putin...
Its in interesting risky idea to carry out but ideologs and other fanatics could dream that it would work. The problem is that their nation changes so much in the process that their initial aims no longer make sense in any other terms than revenge.

Posted by 3dc 2008-04-22 12:31|| 2008-04-22 12:31|| Front Page Top

#8 Thank you, Frozen Al. Could you possibly send one or two to Fred for his private collection, if that wouldn't be breaking security?

Rantburg: where you get the real poop from the guys who were there!

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-04-22 12:35|| 2008-04-22 12:35|| Front Page Top

#9 Asked if there are any women in al-Qaida, the terror leader answered simply: "No." In a follow-up answer, he said: "There are no women in al-Qaida jihadi group, but the women of the mujahedeen are playing a heroic role in taking care of their houses and sons."

Tied to the kitchen are they Ayman????

Proves to me once again that the battle is against modernity eg womens rights in favour of medieval Islam eg women know your place is in the kitchen/house!!!

Why are the Western feminist so quiet re Islam????

Posted by Paul 2008-04-22 12:36|| 2008-04-22 12:36|| Front Page Top

#10 http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=23472

That ties in with what i read in Livitchenko's book 'Allegations' where he states that Ayman is a FSB agent!!!!

Posted by Paul 2008-04-22 12:47|| 2008-04-22 12:47|| Front Page Top

#11 3dc : anonymous5089: the russian angle is interesting... some people wonder if the USSR never really fell just went through a chapter 11 type reorg now guided by Putin...

I take you're refering to the "Final Phase" conspiracy theory, based on the (uncanny) revelations of the (controversed) soviet defector Golytsin?
I'm very fond of conspiracy theories, actually, and TFP seems to me to be a credible one, though, of course, what do I know? Again, in that regard, even the whole "NWO" premise ("the ennemy is our western Elites") can be seen as a prop in the demoralization war waged by the disinformation agents - again, is there an Hidden Hand behind the PCT-ers, and if yes, is it soviet/russian?
One more point I like about TFP, is that it ties nicely with my limited understanding of Biblical prophecies (note I can envisage the NWO as possible only in an apocalyptical/eschatological context, as being driven by higher forces, otherwise, in real-world terms, it doesn't make any sense) AND several prophecies from Christian european seers from the 18th or 19th century, not to mention several interpretation of Ye Olde Nostradamus, which have the ruskies allied with the arabs to invade Europe./paranoid mode

INTRODUCTION
What is "The Final Phase?"

Posted by anonymous5089 2008-04-22 12:47|| 2008-04-22 12:47|| Front Page Top

#12 Dr. Evil now gets his talking points from The Onion.

Posted by doc 2008-04-22 14:39|| 2008-04-22 14:39|| Front Page Top

#13 Osama bin Laden's chief deputy on Tuesday denied a theory that Israel carried out the Sept. 11 attacks and blamed Iran and Shiite Hezbollah for spreading the idea to discredit the Sunni al-Qaida's strike against the U.S.

This is a very interesting connection the Doc draws. I don't think the left will want to talk much about it. Sunni al-Aida stike on 9/11? Who was the most well known Sunni in the world (till he hung)? Is he admitting to a pre-9/11 connection? Or perhaps just trying to curry favor with the Sunnis now.

Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2008-04-22 14:53|| 2008-04-22 14:53|| Front Page Top

#14 "But it does make Cave Life more comfortable..."

Everything I'm saying here is strictly open source and COTS technology.

About 18 months ago, when these propaganda releases were more infrequent, and hence more noted and studied, we had the opportunity to get a fairly decent still picture of Dr. Knotthead speaking to the camera from the internet. What was most interesting when analysed was not his face, but his glasses, because the lighting in that picture was offset enough to let us get a decent reflection in his glasses of what was in front of him. Interestingly, besides the outline of the cameraman and camera, was the window behind him, complete with venetian blinds, which were up. What was interesting about that was not only the lack of security, but the lack of anything in the window, even though the angle was virtually level. Like the kind of view you would get from several stories up in an apartment building...
Last time I checked, not a lot of apartments in the NWFP or Waziristan. Maybe more across the mountains in another part of the "stans?

Posted by NoMoreBS">NoMoreBS 2008-04-22 15:17|| 2008-04-22 15:17|| Front Page Top

#15 My guess is Rawalpindi. ISI safe house. The Paks are making too much money to ever give him up.

Posted by ed 2008-04-22 15:23|| 2008-04-22 15:23|| Front Page Top

#16 What a great bullseye on his forehead.

Posted by Crolusing tse Tung2778 2008-04-22 17:31|| 2008-04-22 17:31|| Front Page Top

#17 This is great, a conspiracy-conspiracy! With AQ on the case, I wonder if any of the Troofer quacks are having second thoughts as they take their loot to the bank.

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2008-04-22 20:43|| 2008-04-22 20:43|| Front Page Top

#18 It fits wid OSAMA BIN LADEN's IRAN-CENTRIC ISLAMIST APOCALYPSE, i.e. IRAN as the CATALYST FOR THE FINAL ABSOLUTE VICTORY = FINAL ABSOLUTE DEFEAT/DESTRUCTION OF ISLAM INCLUDING RADICAL ISLAMISM. Entrap and Induce a US unilater attack + invasion of Iran, or in the altern a MUTUALLY DESTRUCTIVE GREAT POWERS CONFRONTATION OVER SAME where ideally the latter Great Powers don't do anything while BOTH IRAN + RADICAL ISLAMISM-TERROR BECOME GLOBALLY MILPOL EMPOWERED VIA NUKES-WMDS.

Osama, Zawi + Islamists have read numerous MSM Reports that the US GOP-DEM NPE remains mostly ANTI-WAR, ANTI-WOT, + ANTI-DUBYA, and that Dubya can no longer undertake any sort of unialter MIL ACTION AGZ IRAN due to poor NPE + Voter support for such. IN ADDITION, MSM > BOTH RUSSIA + CHINA + EVEN EUROS, ETC. REMAIN HIGHLY DUBIOUS OR SUBJECTIVE ALLIES OF DUBYA-US, OR NEUTRALIST IN THE CASE OF RUSS-CHINA - read, are unlikely to suppor any IRAN attack + invasion.

IOW, BOTH IRAN + RADICAL ISLAMISM-TERROR BELIEVE THEY ARE FREE OR MOSTLY FREE TO CONCENTRATE ON LOCAL-REGIONAL DESTABILIZATIONS AS PER JIHAD, AS WELL AS ON PROCURING NUKES-WMDS = ISLAMIST GREAT POWER STATUS ASAP AMAP [2008-2012/13?]WID LITTLE TO NO INTERFERENCE [outside of IRAQ-AFGHANI]FROM THE USA ANDOR OTHER TRADITIONAL GREAT/WORLD POWERS.

SUB-IOW, 2008-2012/13 > despite current losses, Radical Islamism recognizes their MOVEMENT CAN BE REBUILT, LOSSES CAN BE REPLACED, + ISLAMISM'S JIHAD CAN HOLD ON AND FIGHT ANOTHER DAY SAVE WID NEW POTENT NUCLEAR-WMD WEAPONS. 2010-2020 > No one will be able to attack IRAN ANDOR ISLAMISTS UNLESS THE FORMER ARE WILLING TO RISK NUCLEAR WAR + NUCLEAR TERROR ON A MASSIVE COLD WAR = NEAR COLD WAR SCALE.

SUB-SUB-IOW, BOTH THE US-WEST + RUSSIA-CHINA LOSE, BOTH THE WOT + AS PER OWG-NWO, IN THE END.
THE US-WEST LOSE TO ASIA + ASIA LOSES TO ISLAM-ISLAMISM???

As said or inferred times before, OSAMA BIN LADEN > the DEFEAT OF RADICAL ISLAM IN IRAQ-AFGHANI DOES NOT MEAN THE WOT = JIHAD IS OVER, as Osama's Islamist Apocalypse is NOT in IRAQ ANDOR AFGHANISTAN. ISLAM/ISLAMISM WILL ABSOLUT RULE THE WORLD, OR IN ALTERN BE ABSOLUT COMPLETELY INVALIDATED AND DESTROYED, AS PER THE APOCALYPTIC BATTLEFIELDS IN IRAN.

Iff Dubya-USA is truly NOT going to attack or induce "regime change" in IRAN, then IMO their only alternative is to DE FACTO KILL OR CAPTURE OSAMA, ETC. BY EOY 2008 = JAN 2009; OR ASAP NLT 2010 FOR ANY POST-DUBYA POTUS SUCCESSOR, + TO ALSO SUCCESSFULLY CONTAIN IRAN = IRANIAN NUC AMBITIONS NLT 2010. After 2010 > going to get harder and harder to success contain or stop NUCLEAR IRAN or NUCLEAR TERROR [Proliferation].

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-04-22 21:47|| 2008-04-22 21:47|| Front Page Top

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