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2009-01-15 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

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Posted by Fred 2009-01-15 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 Looking at the webcam in Gaza city, looks like a lot of action this morning. Lots of plumes of smoke. The microphone has been cut off now but I could hear automatic fire from both light and heavy weapons at about 11PM US Pacific time.

Posted by crosspatch 2009-01-15 03:00|| 2009-01-15 03:00|| Front Page Top

#2 Looks like Israeli smoke shells at what is probably South or Southeast of wherever that camera is located. Several smoke shells in the past hour. Must be a rather spirited fight going on.

Posted by crosspatch 2009-01-15 03:03|| 2009-01-15 03:03|| Front Page Top

#3 Forgive me for being a bit slow but it seems the Hamass overall "strategy" is simply to manipulate this whole affair into a pity party. Israel seems to finally have the international/"regional" support it has lacked in the past. It obviously ain't gonna be there for long. With the shuffling of the political deck in Tel Aviv and DC just days away, Israel seems to have the wink & the nod to finish this thing....!?

Posted by bradeous 2009-01-15 10:30|| 2009-01-15 10:30|| Front Page Top

#4 This particular strike seems to have killed three top Hamazoids.

Here is the quote from Haaretz (evening local time 1-15-2009),

" Palestinian sources said Thursday that an Israel Air Force strike in Gaza City has killed three of Hamas' most senior officials: the group's Interior Minister, Said Siam, the head of its security apparatus, Salah Abu Shreh, and the head of its military wing, Mahmoud Watfah.

The IAF strike was on the house of Siam's brother, who was also killed. Hamas TV later confirmed that Siam had been killed.

Siam was the effective founder of the Hamas-led police force. He pushed for Hamas' bloody 2006 coup in Gaza, during which it ousted the rival Fatah faction from power. Siam was the number three behind Ismail Haniyeh and Mahmoud Zahar, and was seen by many as the most extreme of the triumvirate."

Posted by mhw 2009-01-15 12:40|| 2009-01-15 12:40|| Front Page Top

#5 bradeous, Hamas has two and a half objectives, I believe. First, to demonstrate to Israel and the world how bestial those Jooos are, killing and wounding innocent (by definition) Palestinian refugees. Second, to demonstrate to Israel that the only way they can exist as a nation is to be more bestial than they can accept, demoralizing them until they just curl up and die or leave, like Hizb'allah had done during the first Lebanese War back in the 1980s. Finally, that half objective, to kill as many Jooos as they can manage. And yes, they do expect the world to force Israel to exchange even more land for the remote possibility of peace; that's how it worked since 1956, and they haven't noticed that the zeitgeist has changed. Surveys done in the last few days show that some 70% of Americans support Israel in this, and believe Hamas is completely at fault and should be punished, and this is the first time there have been large pro-Israel marches around the world. I don't think President Obama will be able to push Israel toward surrender as so many of his close friends had planned, given how aware he is of such things. Nor will the Israeli electorate accept such sacrifices given the price they have been paying for the 2005 withdrawal from Gaza. Their election is in February, and the winner will have to stand by his/her hard line campaigning.

By the way, welcome to the conversation!

Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife 2009-01-15 14:12|| 2009-01-15 14:12|| Front Page Top

#6 Israel should never give up the territory they've just conquered in Gaza until Hamas recognizes Israel's right to exist. That has to be part of the deal. No truce, no cease fire, no hudna, no mercy, no quarter until Hamas agrees that Israel has a right to exist.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2009-01-15 14:34|| 2009-01-15 14:34|| Front Page Top

#7 PAKISTANI DEFENCE FORUM > ISRAEL MASSES ARMY TROOPS ALONG LEBANON'S BORDER [IDF fear of GAZA as begining of MULTI-FRONT WAR]???

POSTER - opined that IHO GAZA occurred because Barack Obama was successfully elected POTUS, and Israel = Tel Aviv Govt. is mostly UNCERTAIN AS TO THE BAM-MAN'S ADMIN SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2009-01-15 23:21|| 2009-01-15 23:21|| Front Page Top

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