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2010-08-07 Europe

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Posted by tipper 2010-08-07 09:14|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 But Pascal Bruckner believes our soul-searching is both hypocritical and injurious

I agree, I never owned any slaves, neither did my Father, Grandfather, or Great Grandfaher,
I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE IN ANY WAY THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE HERE IN AMERICA.

So the guilt the activists would MAKE me shoulder doesn't work (And it makes them FURIOUS that it doesn't.)

After all their (Rev Jesse, Martin Luther etc) whole game is to create White Guilt, then exploit it.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2010-08-07 12:44|| 2010-08-07 12:44|| Front Page Top

#2 Jim, while none of us have ever owned slaves, a fair number of us were around during the civil rights days of the 50s and early 60s. People then had a point, and they were right.

The country is better about this today than it ever has been, but that doesn't change the point that up to just a generation ago, minorities faced real, substantial legal barriers to just living a decent life. The legal barriers are gone but there's still barriers in place. That Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, among others, play off that for their own benefit doesn't make those barriers less real.

Acknowledging that today isn't 'guilt' -- I don't feel guilty about history, but it would smart for me to learn from it.

There's no need for 'white guilt' or any other kind of guilt. There is a need for us all to continue in removing the barriers of the past. That's the kind of world a conservative should want to live in.

Posted by Steve White 2010-08-07 12:58|| 2010-08-07 12:58|| Front Page Top

#3 Jim, I am old enough to remember when Percy Julian, a professor at the University of Chicago, tried to move into my home town, Oak Park, about 1960. There were riots, cross burnings, the works. I find it humorous that 20 years later, the town renamed Hawthorne Middle School in Julian's honor.

I am also old enough to remember how Daley I's pals in real estate made a killing by blockbusting and "panic peddling". As soon as a black family moved into a neighborhood, Daley's minions in Sanitation stopped picking up the garbage and the schools stopped receiving supplies. Then the real estate vultures would get on the phone and say, "Better sell your house, because (Those People) are destroying your neighborhood." Of course, the vultures bought the houses cheap and sold high to black families. But The Machine still didn't pick up the trash, and let the schools rot.

Steve is right. Everyone needs to learn from this. Anybody who wants to see a racist needs only to look in the mirror. We all have our prejudices.

It's unfortunate for all of us that the Sharptons and Jacksons et al prefer to harp on old inequities instead of celebrating progress. It is also unfortunate that their grandstanding confuses the issue (see "Jena 6").

I have been a community volunteer in schools and neighborhood for 30 years. I wish a whole lot of people in the Education Establishment would take this paragraph to heart:
Bruckner seeks a more rounded history. Nations should celebrate their heroes and victories while acknowledging their stains, because there are no angels and sinners among nations. In the west, the balance needs to tilt back toward a celebration of achievements and heroes who have fought for freedom and equality. Elsewhere, a little self-criticism would go a long way.

The worst thing the minority kids I volunteer with can do is keep on nursing these ancestral grievances. I have seen kids come into kindergarten telling other kids "Your granddaddy owned slaves." The Educational Establishment, with its white guilt mindset, is reinforcing this. This damages the minority children. When they breathe this attitude in, it results in lack of willingness to take responsibility for one's own actions; it confuses bad manners and racist violence with standing up for one's race. It breeds the Ghetto Mindset, and the Ghetto Mindset stunts its children and perpetuates this evil.

Posted by mom 2010-08-07 13:46|| 2010-08-07 13:46|| Front Page Top

#4 The problem with that argument is that Asians were also discriminated against, faced legal obstructions, and bias. That community took advantage of the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts and instead of stewing in self destructive behaviors jumped at the opportunities afforded to them. That why the new game is to label Asians the 'New White'. So today, high achieving Asians, particularly, female Asians are effectively discriminated against in favor of others of less merit in access to state owned and operated academia. Yep, we've come a long way.

I remember the 60s and the bemoaning of white flight from the cities when forced busing was imposed. What the usual suspects ignored was the upper and middle class black flight from the cities as well. That tore the critical mass apart that kept destructive social behaviors in place prior. However, its the guilt game to blame whitey for the consequence and not the unintended consequences that we reaped from 'desegregation'. Can't gain power if you can't tag the man.

Posted by Procopius2k 2010-08-07 13:47|| 2010-08-07 13:47|| Front Page Top

#5 Everyone needs to learn from this. Anybody who wants to see a racist needs only to look in the mirror. We all have our prejudices. mom

Bullshit madam! Bullshit!

Posted by Besoeker 2010-08-07 14:25|| 2010-08-07 14:25|| Front Page Top

#6 Scooter:

Convincing the 'haves' and sustaining the belief that somehow raced based advantage and privilege had more to do with their accomplishments and wealth than hard work, education, and determination is key to the big...."level the playing field" progressive con. And what better method of anchoring the concept to reality than linking it to slavery, billed as an exclusively white based, European and colonial American interprise.

Posted by Besoeker 2010-08-07 18:02|| 2010-08-07 18:02|| Front Page Top

#7 Where did Scooter's post go? Must have been too too incendiary.

Posted by Besoeker 2010-08-07 18:08|| 2010-08-07 18:08|| Front Page Top

#8 egntle beings Y'all have missed my point.
The race wars of chicago, birmingham washington and elsewhere are also not MY doing, but the above mentioned race baiters ae tying to make ME feel guilty, go after the correct people.

But no it's easier and more profitable to make ME guilty by association,(You're WHITE therefore YOU DID THIS, NOW YOU'LL PAY)
HELL NO I DIDN'T.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2010-08-07 19:51|| 2010-08-07 19:51|| Front Page Top

#9 Mom: my daughter attended Percy Julian school.

Posted by Steve White 2010-08-07 19:52|| 2010-08-07 19:52|| Front Page Top

#10 "The legal barriers are gone but there's still barriers in place."

especially if you're a heterosexual white male.

Posted by Broadhead6 2010-08-07 20:07|| 2010-08-07 20:07|| Front Page Top

#11 there are "no angels and sinners among nations." >/em>

If that is a statement that nations are not people, one cannot disagree. But if it is moral equivalence, which I suspect it is, those who want others to take it to heart should be put on a plane to stay in Riyadh to see what kind of reception they receive upon arrival. After a year there, they can preach to me about how little difference there is.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2010-08-07 21:01|| 2010-08-07 21:01|| Front Page Top

#12 The legal barriers are gone but there's still barriers in place.

Most of those barriers now are cultural and self imposed. Promoted by the Leftist who have little desire to see the black man off the democrats plantation.

Take east asians for example (Japanese, Chinese, etc...). They don't typically get better grades because they are asian - but because their culture values and stresses a good education.

On the other hand the 'welfare / gangsta culture' being promoted by hollywood and the leftist media values handouts, single-parent families and 'do what you want - you won't be held responsible and daddy FED will pay to raise your spawn or pay to murder it.'

Posted by CrazyFool 2010-08-07 21:57|| 2010-08-07 21:57|| Front Page Top

#13 Besoeker: You are mistaken, sir. Everyone does in fact have some prejudices. Some are more subtle than others, but we do have them. And yes, there is discrimination. The local Electrical Worker's Union just got hit with sizable damages because the union boss denigrated a black applicant and demoted a white office worker for challenging the boss's actions. The union has to pay the white worker for lost wages and assorted punitive damages. If the facts are as the paper reported them (always that caveat) then the union deserved the penalties.

Perhaps I did not make myself entirely clear in the earlier post, so I will try again.

1. Racists, and people who gain power by exploiting racism, come in all colors.

2. Anybody who thinks he or she is not racist at any level is mistaken.

3. CF's observation that " most barriers are cultural and self imposed" is often correct. The Sharptons and their ilk foster the sense of grievance. Too many bright kids are told they are traitors to their race if they try to make something of themselves.(Cue "crabs in a bucket" analogy)

4. I interpreted the quotation I highlighted as "Nations are not people". That seems to fit the context of the article. Some cultures are indeed more toxic than others.
I interpret the author's statement, "A little self-criticism would go a long way" to mean that everybody needs to take a good look at themselves, not just white people.

5. We should never underestimate what evil people can do. The correct lesson to learn from race wars, slavery, etc is that people can and will find a way to justify any kind of evil, and we need to guard our hearts and minds against the attitudes that eventually produce these things.

Posted by mom 2010-08-07 22:43|| 2010-08-07 22:43|| Front Page Top

#14 Besoeker, I self-censored. One of the perks of being a Mod. Figured I shouldn't post when I'm angry, which could set a bad example. However, my feelings on the subject remain unchanged.

Posted by Scooter McGruder 2010-08-07 23:29|| 2010-08-07 23:29|| Front Page Top

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