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2011-11-06 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

Former Shin Bet chief: Israel may have to retake Gaza

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Posted by trailing wife 2011-11-06 00:00|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 Fumugate first.

Posted by gr(o)mgoru 2011-11-06 03:02|| 2011-11-06 03:02|| Front Page Top

#2 If Israel has to go into Gaza again, they should only do so on the condition that ALL of the Paleo Gazans are then pushed into Egypt. FOREVER.

Any guilt should be assuaged by writing a big check to the military government of Egypt, to help defray costs. $20b should do it. That would be, by Egyptian standards, a small fortune for every man, woman, and child.

Of course, it would be up to the Egyptian government what to do with that money.

Posted by Anonymoose 2011-11-06 09:17|| 2011-11-06 09:17|| Front Page Top

#3 Take over the Gazoo remove all Paleos and turn it into a separate homeland for the Amish.

Posted by AlanC 2011-11-06 09:55|| 2011-11-06 09:55|| Front Page Top

#4 Mind picture of an infinite line of D9's to the sea.

Posted by Water Modem 2011-11-06 12:04|| 2011-11-06 12:04|| Front Page Top

#5 Can a Rantburg U. prof elaborate a bit on the term "retake?" When was Gaza taken the first time, and why was it given back? Has this happened once, or many times?

This is a genuine "mommy, why didn't the police keep the bad man in jail when they took his picture?" kind of question. Thanks!

Posted by RandomJD 2011-11-06 14:20|| 2011-11-06 14:20|| Front Page Top

#6 see Yom Kippur War (1973). Israel's been gradually giving back land taken by force from Arab attackers for defensible borders.

Posted by Frank G 2011-11-06 14:39|| 2011-11-06 14:39|| Front Page Top

#7 6 days war, Frank G.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2011-11-06 15:36|| 2011-11-06 15:36|| Front Page Top

#8 Actually, also 1956 war (the first time it was given back).

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2011-11-06 15:39|| 2011-11-06 15:39|| Front Page Top

#9 yep. By the way, Michael Oren's book is the best historical ref on the 6 days war that I've ever read

Posted by Frank G 2011-11-06 16:02|| 2011-11-06 16:02|| Front Page Top

#10 Ariel Sharon was the one who pulled out completely,when he was prime minister. 2005, as I recall. The idea was to get all Israelis out, where the dodn't have to be defended and, the Gazans having gotten everything they demanded, would busy themselves with the demands of proto-statehood instead of spending their time and energy trying to kll Jews. Or not, and Israel's friends and allies would finally shut up and let Sharon do what needed to be done.

It was a pretty definitive experiment. Unfortunately, Sharon had that stroke, and Ehud Olmert turned out to be hopeless, and the world didn't see why bald facts should change things...or so it appears to me.

Posted by trailing wife 2011-11-06 16:19|| 2011-11-06 16:19|| Front Page Top

#11 "Can a Rantburg U. prof elaborate a bit on the term "retake?" When was Gaza taken the first time, and why was it given back? Has this happened once, or many times? "

It's name is Gush Katif.

ZEP 2:4 For GAZA shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation; they shall drive out Ashdod at noonday, and Ekron shall be rooted up.

Full history - GE 10:19 And the border of the Canaanite was from Sidon, as thou goest toward Gerar, unto GAZA; as thou goest toward Sodom and Gomorrah and Admah and Zeboiim, unto Lasha.
DE 2:23 and the Avvim, that dwelt in villages as far as GAZA, the Caphtorim, that came forth out of Caphtor, destroyed them, and dwelt in their stead.)
JOS 10:41 And Joshua smote them from Kadesh-barnea even unto GAZA, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon.
JOS 11:22 There was none of the Anakim left in the land of the children of Israel: only in GAZA, in Gath, and in Ashdod, did some remain.
JOS 15:47 Ashdod, its towns and its villages; GAZA, its towns and its villages; unto the brook of Egypt, and the great sea, and the border [thereof].
JUD 1:18 Also Judah took GAZA with the border thereof, and Ashkelon with the border thereof, and Ekron with the border thereof.
JUD 6:4 and they encamped against them, and destroyed the increase of the earth, till thou come unto GAZA, and left no sustenance in Israel, neither sheep, nor ox, nor ass.
JUD 16:1 And Samson went to GAZA, and saw there a harlot, and went in unto her.
JUD 16:21 And the Philistines laid hold on him, and put out his eyes; and they brought him down to GAZA, and bound him with fetters of brass; and he did grind in the prison-house.
1SA 6:17 And these are the golden tumors which the Philistines returned for a trespass-offering unto Jehovah: for Ashdod one, for GAZA one, for Ashkelon one, for Gath one, for Ekron one;
1KI 4:24 For he had dominion over all [the region] on this side the River, from Tiphsah even to GAZA, over all the kings on this side the River: and he had peace on all sides round about him.
2KI 18:8 He smote the Philistines unto GAZA and the borders thereof, from the tower of the watchmen to the fortified city.
JER 25:20 and all the mingled people, and all the kings of the land of the Uz, and all the kings of the Philistines, and Ashkelon, and GAZA, and Ekron, and the remnant of Ashdod;
JER 47:1 The word of Jehovah that came to Jeremiah the prophet concerning the Philistines, before that Pharaoh smote GAZA.
JER 47:5 Baldness is come upon GAZA; Ashkelon is brought to nought, the remnant of their valley: how long wilt thou cut thyself?
AM 1:6 Thus saith Jehovah: For three transgressions of GAZA, yea, for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because they carried away captive the whole people, to deliver them up to Edom:
AM 1:7 but I will send a fire on the wall of GAZA, and it shall devour the palaces thereof.
ZEP 2:4 For GAZA shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation; they shall drive out Ashdod at noonday, and Ekron shall be rooted up.
ZEC 9:5 Ashkelon shall see it, and fear; GAZA also, and shall be sore pained; and Ekron, for her expectation shall be put to shame; and the king shall perish from GAZA, and Ashkelon shall not be inhabited.
AC 8:26 But an angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto GAZA: the same is desert.

Posted by newc 2011-11-06 17:55|| 2011-11-06 17:55|| Front Page Top

#12 Not one of the Arabic speakers has roots in the Judeo Christian Holy Lands. Arabic is spoken because the savages from mecca and medina destroyed hundreds of local cultures in the bloodiest conquest in human history. We need to crush that enemy before they get power. And Hussein O is the enemy's best pal.

Posted by Jack Phuting9685 2011-11-06 19:33|| 2011-11-06 19:33|| Front Page Top

#13 Oh my. Prof. newc, I kinda meant since 1948.

An IDF guy helped me understand that the Gazans already have a homeland. It is called Jordan. We studied international law together, and yep, it's all right there.

So I asked, if Gaza is so awful, "occupied" or otherwise, why don't they go to Jordan?

[Paraphrasing] Because it's not so easy to make war on Israel from Jordan.

So I asked, why do so many Israelis protect and pity those actively trying to kill you all?

[Paraphrasing] Because we have as many retarded, incoherent, suicidal leftists as America does.

Ah. An intractable problem indeed.

Posted by RandomJD 2011-11-06 19:47|| 2011-11-06 19:47|| Front Page Top

#14 But Gaza used to belong to Egypt -- how was it that the people belong to Jordan, Random JD?

Posted by trailing wife 2011-11-06 20:55|| 2011-11-06 20:55|| Front Page Top

#15 My mistake - that discussion concerned Palestinians generally.

Posted by RandomJD 2011-11-06 21:15|| 2011-11-06 21:15|| Front Page Top

#16 TOPIX > NASRALLAH BOASTS THAT ISRAEL CANNOT DEFEND ITSELF WID MISSLE ALONE | NO NEED FOR IRAN + SYRIA HELP TO DEFEND [fight] AGZ ISRAEL [ up to 10,000 rockets planned to be fired at Tel Aviv + IDAF, Reserve milbases].

ARTIC > NASRALLAH = argued no way can Israel resist or withstand such pressure.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2011-11-06 23:16|| 2011-11-06 23:16|| Front Page Top

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