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#1 ...the central thesis of the book is convincingly demonstrated: The decline of Greco-Roman civilization seems to coincide with the rise of Islam. That is hardly coincidental.The historical pattern is very clear: Where Islam enters, civilization soon exits.
Posted by Bobby 2012-05-19 09:31||
#2 Many thanks Tipper.
The Mohammadian cult of death set directly against the Jew and the western infidel continues, supported by polygomy, large families, and strategic migration. Meanwhile, the myth of Moderate Islam, tollerance, and Zero Population Growth sanctioned through various popular schemes to inclue the "Right to Choose" set the stage for the extinction of Christiandom and a feckless western civilization.
Posted by Besoeker 2012-05-19 09:46||
#3 huess that explains the dark ages after romans fell!
Posted by chris 2012-05-19 11:22||
#4 Islam was just opportunistic taking advantage of something already in terminal decline. The Vandals had already sacked Rome by 455 signaling that Roman 'rule' [and centralized government] was already a thing of the past in the West. Islam was given an opening by the Eastern Roman Empire [the Byzantines] which exhausted itself trying to reclaim (parts) of the Western Roman Empire from the Germanic invasion and occupation while also engaging in territorial wars with a revived Sassanid Persian Empire to the east. While the Germans to the West tried to imitate the Greco-Roman model they were hampered by their own innate tribalism and lacked the administrative acumen to make it happen, which in the end devolved upon the only surviving institution that could provide the administrative infrastructure and some semblance of unifying means, the church. The church had its own agenda which was not necessarily the sustainment or revival of the Greco-Roman world. With the Islamic Conquests overrunning Alexandria, Jerusalem, and Antioch, that left only Rome and Constantinople to devolve into conflict on what that agenda would be as each claimed seniority over the other. That became the Latin vs Greek schism the 'West' still lives with today. While the Islamics weren't directly responsible, their actions feed the Christian theological/political friction of the time.
Posted by Procopius2k 2012-05-19 15:10||
#5 Given how they have stagnated for the last half millennium or so, Islam seems to have done a bang-up job of killing off Islamic civilization. Pick any metric you want - social, scientific, cultural - the only thing novel to come out of the Islamic world is fatwas and piles of corpses.
Posted by SteveS 2012-05-19 16:32||
#6 I just wish they were more successful internally. Allan wills it
Posted by Frank G 2012-05-19 17:20||
#7 Allan wills it
It is my belief that Allan has chosen the Crusaders and the Juices to lead his people into the modern world, kicking and screaming though they may go. Hey, we did it with the Japanese - and only had to nuke 'em twice.
Posted by SteveS 2012-05-19 18:29||