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2013-03-20 China-Japan-Koreas

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Posted by Uncle Phester 2013-03-20 08:46|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 Since they've threatened us, YES IT IS.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2013-03-20 09:44|| 2013-03-20 09:44|| Front Page Top

#2 It is because we still have ~~hostages~~ troops in country engaged in military welfare for first world countries.

If the Admirals had their way, we'd still be based in the Philippines. Thankfully, a severe bout of nationalism struck the country along with a major volcanic event and we left. The world did not end.

Posted by Procopius2k 2013-03-20 10:05|| 2013-03-20 10:05|| Front Page Top

#3 If the US pulled out of South Korea, the problem would not go away.

If the US wasn't in South Korea after 1960, the problem would not have gone away.

The problem is that the US exists. And as long as the US exists, there will be a problem.

Boxcutters and three aircraft. Savvy?

Posted by Pappy 2013-03-20 10:42|| 2013-03-20 10:42|| Front Page Top

#4 If history is any record of human events, problems never go away, there are just other ones to take their place.

Posted by Procopius2k 2013-03-20 11:13|| 2013-03-20 11:13|| Front Page Top

#5 China needs to be contained now more than ever. Sure, we pulled out of the Philippines and now the Chinese are sniffing around some of their islands. They threaten all of their neighbors; Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, Korea, Tibet, Nepal, Bhutan and India. They gave Pakistan the bomb and now they laugh at us while Pudgy builds his own bomb. They've gotten by without a big navy for centuries but now all of a sudden they want one. What for?

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2013-03-20 11:42|| 2013-03-20 11:42|| Front Page Top

#6 The world is a system of dynamic equilibrium, where one withdraws another expands.

HOWEVER

A military welfare state tends to make it much easier for those surrounding the "welfare" recipient to expand once the donor goes.

Subsidy always has its price.

Posted by Eohippus Trotsky6077 2013-03-20 11:53|| 2013-03-20 11:53|| Front Page Top

#7 "What for?"

Probably because they too can read Alfred Thayer Mahan's work on sea power. A nation predicated upon commerce and specifically world trade has to keep the sea lanes open.

Posted by Procopius2k 2013-03-20 12:14|| 2013-03-20 12:14|| Front Page Top

#8 ..and to continue the thought, for centuries the Heavenly Kingdom thought they were the center of the universe. They pretty much were up there till around the beginning of the 18th Century. They had no need to involve themselves, being the big boys in the region, with 'worldly' affairs because everything else were just barbarians [see also the US attitude in the late 19th Century in the American hemisphere]. Then the Europeans via technology showed up to demonstrate that they weren't the center of the universe. The Japanese experienced the same process. However,unlike the Chinese who blamed failure to follow the 'old ways', the Japanese figured it was the technology, capitalism, and methodologies that gave the West the edge and went about copying them, making the West painfully aware from 1941-45. The Chinese wouldn't get that act together till the 1980s, a hundred years later. Now they're picking up on those Western concepts. Like the Japanese who went on an imperialist period themselves first in China then Korea [following the model set by the Europeans in the region], you can expect the Chinese to follow the pattern of neo-colonialism as well.

Posted by Procopius2k 2013-03-20 12:30|| 2013-03-20 12:30|| Front Page Top

#9 Copying only gets you so far.

See Cargo cults for details. It's attitude and Culture type that's important.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2013-03-20 12:49|| 2013-03-20 12:49|| Front Page Top

#10 Sure, let's pull out But then we have no business telling Japan and South Korea a) that they cannot develop nuclear weapons to replace the nuclear umbrella we promised would always be there, and b) that they cannot go to war against North Korea when they feel the need, as we have stopped them after every North Korean porovocation in the past.

Either put up or shut up.

Posted by trailing wife 2013-03-20 14:18|| 2013-03-20 14:18|| Front Page Top

#11 The world is far better off not having East Asia in an arms race the last half century (something that is likely to chagne in the near future). South Korea and the Phillipines were a big part of that.

The US will never get credit we deserve for that because it was also in our interests and thus is seen as selfish.

Posted by rjschwarz 2013-03-20 15:15|| 2013-03-20 15:15|| Front Page Top

#12 Think of a billion nuclear armed NAZIs running amok all over Asia and from there all over the world. Then think of American presidents like Obama bowing down to them because we owe them so much money and because they've bought up so many businesses and so much land in our country.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2013-03-20 15:42|| 2013-03-20 15:42|| Front Page Top

#13 China does NOT want any Western-style, anti-China democratic countries on the Korean peninsula - SOUTH KOREA HAS A "CORE INTEREST" IN MAKING SURE COMMUNIST CHINA DOES N-O-T TAKE OVER NORTH KOREA FOR ANY REASON, BE IT WARFARE OR INTERNAL STATE IMPLOSION + COLLAPSE.

North Korea + South Korea per se are all that remains of their once-extensive ancient homeland.

More, to be a TRUE GLOBAL SUPERPOWER = SPACE POWER? Rising China has to be able to project power-n-influence overseas, i.e. I.E. CANNOT BE ISOLATIONIST OR JUST A MAJOR ASIAN OR EURASIAN LAND POWER.

"AS ONE RISES IN POWER, ANOTHER MUST DECLINE OR BE REMOVED FROM POWER" - WHICH WOULD AMERICA + AMERICANS WANT TO BE???

Lest we fergit ...
- 1990's NET > CHINA = wants 1/2 or more of CONUS-NORAM for "living space".
- 2013 NET > CHINA = desires to see the US rolled back + limited to EASTPAC in the Pacific.

AGAIN, WHAT DOES AMERICA + AMERICANS WANT TO BE???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-03-20 19:46|| 2013-03-20 19:46|| Front Page Top

#14 AGAIN, WHAT DOES AMERICA + AMERICANS WANT TO BE???

Nearsighted?

Posted by Pappy 2013-03-20 21:19|| 2013-03-20 21:19|| Front Page Top

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