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2014-02-09 -Land of the Free

US Army built a town at Fort A.P. Hill for urban warfare training.

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Posted by Besoeker 2014-02-09 00:00|| || Front Page|| [8 views ] Top

#1 Strange, very strange. All of the [current]Military Operations and Urban Terrain (MOUT) facilities to include modeling and simulations software, look like mock-ups of Middleburg, VA.

Strange, very strange.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-02-09 07:48|| 2014-02-09 07:48|| Front Page Top

#2 Well, they really had none before 9/11. Urban fighting was something that wasn't given a whole lot of attention to because the last big experience, WWII, was rather nasty and intense. Most of the war fighting teaching and training was on maneuver not grinding urban operations. Basically lip service was given to the problem. Then in Iraq they found themselves doing a lot of urban fighting. You need to train as you fight. Given the length of time between asking for funding and delivery, this doesn't strike me as unusual in setting up a major delivery in training facilities.

Using US id's keeps the skanks at State quiet about upsetting foreigners they deal with. Hell, it wasn't till Ronnie's era that DoD could outright use Soviet material as the Opfor, it always had to be Bluefor or Redfor because State had its nickers in a twist about 'offending' someone.

Posted by Procopius2k 2014-02-09 08:00|| 2014-02-09 08:00|| Front Page Top

#3 Been a dreadfully long time since I visiting a shooting house. I wonder if they're using Amish targets now ?

Posted by Besoeker 2014-02-09 08:08|| 2014-02-09 08:08|| Front Page Top

#4 Clearly they can't leave control of vulnerable cluster points in the hands of local SWAT. We saw that in the mall/hostage scenario when the rescue forces were shooting each other.

Pretty easy to imagine a high value target event in a urban scenario with coordinated secondary assaults on the first responders. That happens now.

Tunnels for ingress and E&E? Worked 50 years ago.

Posted by Skidmark 2014-02-09 09:25|| 2014-02-09 09:25|| Front Page Top

#5 If you are interested here is a Bird's Eye View of Fort A.P Hill, VA

Fort A.P. Hill, Virginia, is an active duty installation of the United States Army, located near the town of Bowling Green, Virginia.

Named for Virginia native and distinguished Confederate Lieutenant General A. P. Hill, Fort A.P. Hill, known as the place "Where America's Military Sharpens Its Combat Edge" is an all-purpose, year-round, military training center located approximately 60 miles south of Washington, D.C. With 76,000 acres (310 km²) of land, including a modern 28,000 acre (110 km²), live-fire range complex featuring more than 100 direct and indirect fire ranges, as well as a helicopter aerial gunnery range; it is one of the largest military installations on the East Coast. Military units can engage in training ranging from small unit operations to major maneuvers with combined arms, live-fire exercises

Posted by Au Auric 2014-02-09 10:33|| 2014-02-09 10:33|| Front Page Top

#6 Drop this 38.118579,-77.281498 into a Google box and klik on the pic until it goes satellite. Adjust fire from there.

;-)

Posted by Besoeker 2014-02-09 10:39|| 2014-02-09 10:39|| Front Page Top

#7 Damn. I still remember this as Camp A.P. Hill. National guard, it's where we trained way back in the day. That's where I first met some people training in civvies that were from Langley. We thought they were boy scouts people who had gotten lost. Boy Scouts used to use it a lot at the state level in the 60s 70s

Posted by OldSpook 2014-02-09 12:12|| 2014-02-09 12:12|| Front Page Top

#8 That's where I first met some people training in civvies that were from Langley. We thought they were boy scouts people who had gotten lost. Posted by OldSpook

You were right. Why are you always right ?

Posted by Besoeker 2014-02-09 13:18|| 2014-02-09 13:18|| Front Page Top

#9 Noted the lack of adult leadership.

Posted by OldSpook 2014-02-09 15:14|| 2014-02-09 15:14|| Front Page Top

#10 Whahahaha, yep.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-02-09 15:16|| 2014-02-09 15:16|| Front Page Top

#11

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2014-02-09 16:37|| 2014-02-09 16:37|| Front Page Top

#12 From 1981 to 2010, the BSA National Jamboree was held at Fort A.P. Hill, Virginia. Then the ACLU brought a law suit.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2014-02-09 21:30|| 2014-02-09 21:30|| Front Page Top

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