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2015-01-10 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-

USMC Infantry Officers Course: Females 0-29

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Posted by OldSpook 2015-01-10 08:39|| || Front Page|| [9 views ] Top

#1 Standards are set by the 'enemy' not by politicians or judges. If you don't meet the standards, you and your people die. It's not some silly game. It's life and death.

Posted by Procopius2k 2015-01-10 09:08|| 2015-01-10 09:08|| Front Page Top

#2 Wanna know the funny part??

The Honor Grad from IOC gets an all expense paid trip to Ft. Benning - to attend Ranger School.

Posted by Bangkok Billy 2015-01-10 09:16|| 2015-01-10 09:16|| Front Page Top

#3 In the "reality based community" in which these progressives live, everything is subject to arbitrary redefinition to fit their goals, regardless of facts.

Posted by OldSpook 2015-01-10 09:20|| 2015-01-10 09:20|| Front Page Top

#4 These people don't care - its not their kids that will die when an incompetent officer gets them killed. And its not like they have any concern for the US and the effects of failure of its armed forces: Like their bankroller, Soros, its all about one-world government, and "progress" (toward socialism), not nations.

We need to destroy progressivism, take it out root and branch, before it destroys this nation completely. First the Wilsonians with the 16th and 17th amendments, now Obama-ites with the executive orders...

Posted by OldSpook 2015-01-10 09:22|| 2015-01-10 09:22|| Front Page Top

#5 The Honor Grad from IOC gets an all expense paid trip to Ft. Benning - to attend Ranger School. Posted by Bangkok Billy

Ooouch!&#^&@~ That REALLY is going to leave a mark. I suppose we'd better not discuss the 18 series retirees from Smoke Bomb Hill at Bragg who teach SOF at Quantico.

Posted by Besoeker 2015-01-10 11:30|| 2015-01-10 11:30|| Front Page Top

#6 If a woman passes the course I suspect she'll be treated with far more respect than any women that pass a modified course. Modifying the course is a sure way to ensure women marines are never taken seriously.

Posted by rjschwarz 2015-01-10 14:53|| 2015-01-10 14:53|| Front Page Top

#7 Time for an SF spoof.

Posted by Besoeker 2015-01-10 15:54|| 2015-01-10 15:54|| Front Page Top

#8 This situation has led some involved with the policy debate in Washington, D.C., to suggest that the USMC Infantry Officer’s Course standards are unrealistically challenging, and need to be lowered.

And most of the Marine officers, even the women think they should NOT be lowered.

Typical pansy DC puke. Standards too tough. Lower standards.

Posted by DarthVader 2015-01-10 16:28|| 2015-01-10 16:28|| Front Page Top

#9 Real life has real standards. What people choose to do is irrelevant.

Posted by Glenmore 2015-01-10 16:34|| 2015-01-10 16:34|| Front Page Top

#10 For the sake of argument...

Standards for standards sake is a waste of time and effort. Standards must be based on operational needs.

Studies show that there are "No gender difference in marksmanship performance was observed with either the M16A2 rifle or the M4 carbine."
(http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA331737)

Hand to hand combat was rare in the Gulf War, OIF, and Afghanistan. And has been rare even since the end of the 18th century.

Therefore, it is reasonable to ask the Marines to justify their standards in terms of some operational benefit to mission accomplishment. The assertion, unsupported with data, that someone might die, is not a persuasive argument to fail either the two female or the eleven male officers from the course without tying their failure to an operational need.

Posted by rammer 2015-01-10 20:42|| 2015-01-10 20:42|| Front Page Top

#11 It's not about shooting (Mrs. Glenmore can outshoot me); it's about physical strength - can she carry her share of gear, and can she recover her wounded buddy, and do both as quickly? Etc.

Posted by Glenmore 2015-01-10 21:14|| 2015-01-10 21:14|| Front Page Top

#12 ok, then what part of day one of the the Marine course is about carrying your buddy or your kit? We don't know, because the course is a secret.

I bet everyone of those who failed, started with at least eighty pounds of kit and worked it all day.

Is that enough? We don't know, because the requirements of the course are not connected to the operational needs of the mission.

Posted by rammer 2015-01-10 22:41|| 2015-01-10 22:41|| Front Page Top

#13 I thought with the Marines, everyone is a rifleman first.

Posted by swksvolFF 2015-01-10 22:58|| 2015-01-10 22:58|| Front Page Top

#14 Rammer, quit trying to defend the indefensible. The course works, why fix what's not broken?

Posted by OldSpook 2015-01-10 23:07|| 2015-01-10 23:07|| Front Page Top

#15 Thirteen fine young Marine officers failed that course, only two were female. They would not have been selected for that course without being excellent candidates.

These officers will now be disfavored for future leadership positions, and unless the reason for their failure is connected to an operational goal, then we have dropped talent for no benefit.

Posted by rammer 2015-01-10 23:19|| 2015-01-10 23:19|| Front Page Top

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