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Planned Parenthood uses ultrasonic weapons (USW) to blast protestors

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Posted by Besoeker 2015-08-24 06:55|| || Front Page|| [5 views ] Top

#1 really and truly, the videos put out about the alleged crimes of PP were exaggerated and misleading. so is this. they are not delivering live whole babies and cutting their faces off.

that is just not true. a fetus less than three months old is just that - a fetus. its not a baby or a human being. if you want to be extreme about it, every sperm is a human being in waiting, and every day thousands of sperm die.

and stem cell research is totally acceptable. Christopher Reeves was a big campaigner for it.

so if they are blasting irrational protesters with loud sounds, good. carry on, i say.

Posted by anon1 2015-08-24 08:49|| 2015-08-24 08:49|| Front Page Top

#2 anon1 - Love how the word "alleged" is used in spite of what the videos contained (You did watch them, right?). A sperm is 1/2 the equation, as are the eggs lost to menses. Once combined, however, life, of whatever level you wish to define it, has begun and, in most cases, without the use of scalpels, vacuums, etc. could go on to develop into someone you could look up to.

"Fetuses" are not necessary for stem-cell research. You should really check out the "libary" before spouting.

Just because your mom cracks the door to the basement you live in does not mean you are enlightened.

Posted by Vast Right Wing Conspiracy 2015-08-24 09:29|| 2015-08-24 09:29|| Front Page Top

#3 bullshit

Posted by Frank G 2015-08-24 09:31|| 2015-08-24 09:31|| Front Page Top

#4 referring to #1

Posted by Frank G 2015-08-24 09:32|| 2015-08-24 09:32|| Front Page Top

#5 this one hellish

Appropriate.

Posted by Procopius2k 2015-08-24 09:47|| 2015-08-24 09:47|| Front Page Top

#6 Bobby Jindal played a loop of the PP videos for the pro-PP protestor to watch while they gathered around the governor's mansion in Baton Rouge. Looks like they didn't stay long to protest.

Posted by ConstantCough 2015-08-24 12:13|| 2015-08-24 12:13|| Front Page Top

#7 Anon1, I didn't know you worshiped human sacrifice. I'm glad you have admitted it so that I can in the future, completely ignore anything you say. It's nice when evil outs itself so that it's in the open.

Posted by Silentbrick 2015-08-24 12:38|| 2015-08-24 12:38|| Front Page Top

#8 Is just me, or is this argument goes way beyond bounds?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2015-08-24 13:20|| 2015-08-24 13:20|| Front Page Top

#9 "a fetus less than three months old is just that - a fetus"

Anon1, if you'd watched the videos you would know they are not talking about three month old fetus. This is about late term abortion and its usefulness as a baby-parts for profit business.

Posted by rjschwarz 2015-08-24 14:53|| 2015-08-24 14:53|| Front Page Top

#10 Anon1 - basic science proves you wrong.

Do you agree that we as a society protect those who cannot give consent - for instance, if a girl is drunk enough then she loses the ability to consent? Or if someone is underage, they do not have the capacity to give consent for srugery, or for legal documents - or to have sex (statutory rape laws, laws agains paedophile acts)?

Good, glad we agree, we believe there must be laws to deter those who would take advantage of the defenseless.

What about the innocent? Do we execute someone for a crime when they were mentally incoimpetent - incapable of forming "mens rea" - that is intent to commit a criminal act? Well of cours e- we make laws for that, we allow those defenses against criminal charges, and the concept of legal innocence requires that we protect the innocent, -- and indeed we presume people to be innocent by default in our legal system.

Now in war, or police actions, or even civilian police, do we go to extra lengths to avoid hurting or killing people by accident, jsut because they are in our way - we look for alternatives even when they inconvenience us or add to risk for our soldier's and police officer's lives. Heck, even our property laws prevent us from doing things the easy way just for the convenience of someone else: look at eminent domain, and how it protects individuals against such things.

So, from all that, you can jsutly draw the conclusion that we, as a society, protect the innocent and defenseless amongst us - and we value human life and go out of our way to accommodate it or protect it, even if it puts us at greater risk or inconvenience to do so.

Here the science pat:

it the conceived "fetus" in the wou,b alive? Is it life? Yes. It meets the fundamental biological definition of life.

Is it human? Of course - Science says via biology it can be nothing other than human.

Is it innocent? Certainly, speaking legally, it is - it is too young to have mens rea. Is it defenseless? Again, its the very definition of defenseless - it cannot consent nor can it resist.

Pro Choice? What exactly are you allowing as one of the choices? Elective abortion.

So what does elective abortion do?

It is the deliberate destruction of a defenseless, innocent human life,for the convenience or profit of another.

And we as a society have every right to pass laws to outlaw it as we would any other form of deliberate destruction of innocent defenseless human life. You have no more "right" to choose to take such an abhorrent moral action than does any murderer.

And there you have it. Basic logic and fundamental biology.

Two words for you and your ilk: you lose.

Posted by OldSpook 2015-08-24 21:47|| 2015-08-24 21:47|| Front Page Top

#11 i have read and thought about what you have all said.

A first trimester fetus is not a human being, and should not be considered one either.

It is not a human being in the sense that an adult in a coma who cannot make decisions for themselves is a human being, or in the sense that a mentally retarded but living human being is a human being.

A first trimester fetus is a *potential* human being, not an actual human being.

Spontaneous abortions, usually called miscarriages, are common in the first trimester. This is why it is traditional for people to say nothing about being pregnant until after the first trimester - to wait and see if it is actually going to stick first.

We do not call these spontaneous miscarriages tragedies or still births.The fetus that is expelled is not considered a baby and should not be.

It is not capable of independent life. It does not have a functioning brain.

The vestigial tail does not begin regressing until 8 weeks.

At 12 weeks it is only 6cm long. It is a fetus. If you leave it in the womb and it doesnt get expelled then it will become a baby

If you expel it naturally or through taking RU486 then it wont become a baby.

The people who are attacking planned parenthood are the same people who oppose first trimester abortions.

They do so not because of science or because of ethics.

They do so because they are deeply religious and believe that their deity told them to.

i do not think that this is a good enough reason to deny women access to first trimester abortions, especially in cases of rape such as that 12 year old girl forced to have a baby. That is unethical.

We will just have to agree to disagree and we do so on religious grounds.

I prefer science and observational ethics that improve human rights instead of divinely mandated ethics that do not improve them.

People will always disagree on some issues yet agree on others, usually on faith-based areas most of all which was why Thomas Jefferson was a genius to draft the first amendment guaranteeing a wall of separation between religion and state.

Posted by anon1 2015-08-24 23:16|| 2015-08-24 23:16|| Front Page Top

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