At least seven more people have been killed on the fourth day of the heaviest fighting seen in the Somali capital for several years. Supporters of some of Mogadishu's militia leaders have clashed with an armed Islamist group which says it is trying to establish law and order. Their opponents say the Islamic courts are terrorising local people. More than 22 people have died since fighting began on Saturday - many of them civilians hit by stray bullets.
A witness told AFP news agency on Tuesday that they had seen two people die and 15 wounded in a clash in southern Mogadishu's Daynile district. "The place is full of blood and it is very scary," he said. The main airstrip there which is used by aid agencies and businessmen has been shut. Another witness told AP news agency that a woman was killed and two children injured when a mortar exploded near a milk factory. AP also reports further deaths in the city centre and that two more people have died of their wounds in hospital. Clashes between armed groups have been common in Somalia since former military leader Mohamed Siad Barre was overthrown in 1991. The country has been without a functioning government since then.
Over the weekend, a group of MPs urged both sides to stop fighting. The fighting pits a new group, the Alliance for the Restoration of Peace and Counter-Terrorism, against the Islamic courts' militia. But AP reports that gunmen from other groups have taken advantage of the fighting to go on a looting spree.
The fighting has also led to the closure of the Daynile airport, used by many aid workers. Hundreds of families have fled their homes around the former military academy. The BBC's Hassan Barise in Mogadishu says at least five warlords-cum-ministers in the transitional government are behind the new alliance, opposed to the Islamic courts. The courts have set up Mogadishu's only judicial system in parts of the capital but have been accused of links to al-Qaeda. Their critics accuse the courts of being behind the killing of moderate Muslim scholars. On 26 February, the country's parliament is due to meet for the first time on home soil since it was formed in Kenya more than a year ago. Both sides share a critial need for more ammunition.
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Here in Minnesota, somee poor Somali Immigrant has agreed to become mayor of Mogadishu. Reporters asked him if he knew what he was getting into, and he said yes. Of course that was before the current fighting.
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The milk factory is the one cow they haven't killed yet.
Nigeria's main Christian body has said it may no longer be able to contain Christians from retaliating after Muslim rioters killed dozens of Christians and torched churches.
The Christian Association of Nigeria (CAN), which says 50 people died in anti-Christian rioting in the northern city of Maiduguri at the weekend, described the violence as part of a Muslim plan to turn Nigeria into an Islamic state. Rioting also broke out in two other predominantly Muslim northern cities in the past days. In Katsina, the Red Cross said seven people were killed, while in Bauchi a Reuters eyewitness saw 10 dead bodies on the streets and several burnt churches.
"May we at this stage remind our Muslim brothers that they do not have the monopoly of violence in this nation," Anglican Archbishop Peter Akinola said in a statement.
"CAN may no longer be able to contain our restive youths should this ugly trend continue," said Akinola, who heads CAN.
Nigeria's 140 million people are split about equally between Muslims in the north and Christians in the south, although sizeable religious minorities live in most cities.
Sectarian fighting is often stoked by politicians seeking to bolster their own power bases, while violence in one part of the country often sparks reprisal killings elsewhere.
Religious violence has killed thousands since 12 northern states introduced Islamic law in 2000, alienating Christians.
"The willingness of Muslim youth to descend with violence on innocent Christians from time to time is ... a design to actualise their dream (of an Islamic Nigeria)," said Akinola.
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The triggers of the violence in the three northern cities were different. In Bauchi it was sparked by an argument over the Koran while in Maiduguri it started with protests over cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad and in Katsina it was about a planned public hearing on constitutional reform.
But some religious leaders, both Muslim and Christian, said the underlying cause was uncertainty over the political future -- specifically, a rumoured ambition by President Olusegun Obasanjo to stand for a third term in 2007.
There is strong feeling against a third term across the north because many northerners feel the presidency should go to one of them in 2007 after eight years of Obasanjo, a Christian from the south.
Obasanjo says he will uphold the constitution, which allows a president to stay in office for two terms. But some of his supporters want a constitutional amendment that would allow him to stay on. He has not commented on that scenario.
Another factor contributing to heightened religious tension is a national census scheduled for late March. Organisers have said religion would not be included in the census questionnaire, prompting boycott threats from Muslim and Christian groups eager to assert numerical superiority.
"Christians in Nigeria agreed to participate in the forthcoming national census as sacrifice for the peace and progress of this nation, in spite of our protest over the non-inclusion of religion and ethnicity," Akinola said. He said such sacrifices by Christians should not be "misunderstood to be weakness".
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#5
The current expectation for Christians is to act honorably even in situations and roles that have no descernable religious role or impact, so my expectation is that, apart from a constitutional amendment, the current Christian President should step down at the end of his second term per the Constitution. The obvious interpretation of Jesus' "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" is that there are partitions in human life and society which have independent authority granted by God which is to be recognized by the Christian: The first amendment is "Caesar's" recognition of the independent authority over the religious aspectes of the Church that are retained by God. "You are the salt of the earth" is the requirement that Christians work to IMPROVE the system, not dominate it.
The demand that the Presidency automatically go to a Muslim is NOT constitutional: let the people vote, per my understanding of their constitution.
The key issue with having a Muslim in power is, unlike a Christian, his religion sees no partitions between the secular and the sacred, and so he will not feel a sense of honor to adhere to restrictions that he believes would hamper his ability to advance Islam. Establishing Dhimminitude is a REQUIREMENT of a Muslim leader. While urging men to be good and honorable, Christianity gives no specific instructions to government leaders on how to run the Government: Jimmy Carter himself admitted that instructions on how to be President were non-existent in the New Testament. Judiasm, in the Torah, does give instructions on how judges and kings are to behave, but the mandate is that the law be applied equally, rich and poor, native or stranger "...because you were strangers in the Land of Egypt" was God's reason for requiring equal treatment of all. This command to treat others with consideration who are in a situation you USED to be in is unique in the ancient world, and totally absent from the Koran. This lack of continuity in asserting the equality of mankind in the Koran is one reason (among others) why I reject its assertion that it is the culmination of Christianity and Judiasm.
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Somehow I suspect the sinktrap will be filling. It will be an interesting study decades hence to review the items sent and not sent to the trap over time.
#7
It is incumbent on Christians to respect and revere martyrs, not aspire to become one. But any thoughts that retaliation will change muslims are dashed on the hard realities of Palestine. Israelis have been dealing an eye for an eye with the muslim hard boys for almost 60 years and the streets still fill.
#8
Yes, Nimble. It's an honor to be in the sinktrap today.
I must be careful not to encourage violence against muzzies. I must be careful not to encourage violence against muzzies. I must be careful.......
#9
Screw that. I've had more than my fill of Muzzie violence against this thing or that thing, typically met with mostly whines or whimpers by large numbers of people that are supposedly on OUR side. Whatever.
#11
For goodness' sake! Do you have a useful solution to the problem? F'r instance, instead of, "They should kill 'em all," which sounds exactly what that stupid Saudi lad posted here at the beginning of the cartoon riots, how about, "Let's take up a collection to hire Blackstone (was that the company?) mercenaries to teach them how to defend themselves against Muslim pogroms."
Yes, Besoeker, you've done your bit and then some, as have many here, and I haven't. But, although this may sound presumptuous, I come here to help, in my little way, in the War on Terror. I don't come here as a substitute newspaper, or to amused by clever snarking. If -- every once in a while -- a piece of knowledge that I hold, unique to the rest of you, advances the groups's understanding of the enemy we fight, then I have met the original goal of this wonderful place Fred set up after 9/11. And if it happens, that on the day I do such a thing, one of those who is actively in the fight right now (how's it going, Broadhead 6? OldSpook, have you found anything here recently that you can pass on to your friends far beyond the trenches? True German Ally, are you able to keep Fraulein Merkel headed in the right direction?) happens upon it, and does his/her job better as a result, then I will cruise into Heaven on the result, when my time comes.
#12
In most cases several moderators confer before sinktrapping comments. To reiterate what has been said here by Fred and moderators before: Rantburg is not a place where overt calls to "kill muzzies for Christ's sake" or "burn the xxx embassy" belong.
Neither do gratuitous slurs against entire countries, races or religions.
Please note the difference between, for instance, saying something along the lines of "I'm beginnning to wonder if the West really can coexist with Muslims", or even "the violence and hypocrisy makes me want to xxxx" and the comments that were sinktrapped.
In Besoeker's case, he failed to tone things down despite requests from moderators over several days. He is now poop-listed.
#17
Let's all agree on one thing: one of the unalienable rights of men is to live free. If that requires defending that right with violence against those that would oppress you, then violence is not only acceptable, but necessary. That has been one of the standing principles of our nation since its inception. The Christians in Nigeria have just as much right to defend THEIR freedoms as we in the United States do to defend ours. Islam is an opressive, destructive religion because of its basic principle that everything FROZE IN PLACE with the teachings of Mohammed. That in itself contradicts the entire history of all other religions. The world changes. It's no longer the 7th century. Judaism and Christianity have managed to handle the changes of the modern world. Islam hasn't. It's a doomsday cult, one that directly opposes everything that Judaism and Christianity teach, and needs to be recognized as such. It's nothing more than the Arab's retaliation against Judaism and Christianity for those religions refusing to believe that the sons of Ishmael were the "true descendants" of Abraham. It deserves no honor, no sympathy, and no quarter.
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Particularly the "no quarter," OP.
Giving in and being "nice" is what got us where we are today.
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Plainslow, what I tried to say is that self-defense is an inherent right and that Christians who don't want to become martyrs better practice it. The other point is to not expect that killing a few, or even a whole lot more than a few, muslims will change the outlook of the rest. On the whole, I think that the Bush doctrine is probably best. Try to coopt the muslim masses with democracy and civilization while killing the most rabid among them. There will always be fanatics. You protect yourself by killing the fanatics or renedering them impotent.
#24
The Philosophy of Islam is incompatable with the 21st century and the "Western way of life". It is not a philosophy compatable our western political systems apperently. Besides responding with violence to violence what are we as "the west" going to do? Islam is static in it's philosophy. We can't change that and it's practitioners will not as they are not allowed to by it's precepts.
"Killing them all" or killing many of them is a distinct possibility we are faced with. They are pushing us to it. We are not looking to do it as we are hoping "demoracy" will moderate the Philosophy. I am quickly losing confidence that we can overcome the aggresive tribalism and self imposed ghettos and aggressive communities that flourish under the philosophy of Islam. So folks what are our options other than violence? I am not talking "racisim" as this philosophy is not bound by race. When faced with convert or die what is the "west" to do?
Though the 'islamic extremist" are a small minority they are huge in number and can all on the financial and material resources of the entire philosophy. Remember the only about 10% thje population made the US revolutionary war happen.
So again what are we as a civilization going to do?
Accepting reality is a bona-fide bitch when it trashes a favored world-view, demands abandoning some personal tenet of faith, or drags you kicking and screaming in protest across a line you vowed never to cross.
Though it be necessary, it be hard doins.
Ah feel your pain. Honestly, I do. It took me a long goddamned time to finally quit protesting - and accept what that quiet little voice kept repeating:
"Stop. STFU for a moment. Look at the evidence right in front of you. Now slowly lift your gaze to the horizon to see where it leads. Yeah. It sucks. For a Free Man the real bitch comes next... You will have no choice."
Now get over it and identify courses of action, clarify your thoughts, decide where you can contribute, get past your arrogance and hurt - that's trivial self-imposed ego pain - reality doesn't give a shit what you want to be so - it just is what it is. All this faux-moral window-dressing is wanking off. Yes, it is. Reality's not changing to suit anyone and is not going away.
Consider this little Mod tempest in a teapot, today. Now consider being hacked to death with a machete.
"The key issue with having a Muslim in power is, unlike a Christian, his religion sees no partitions between the secular and the sacred, "
Judaism doesnt partition between the secular and the sacred in the way Christianity does.
"and so he will not feel a sense of honor to adhere to restrictions that he believes would hamper his ability to advance Islam. "
I dont see why sacralizing the world should cause one to lack a sense of honor. I will note in passing that Christians have used all kinds of means to advance christianity. Which doesnt mean Islam doesnt have some serious problems, but lets be clearer about what they are.
"Establishing Dhimminitude is a REQUIREMENT of a Muslim leader."
yet most muslim leaders in the last 50 years, of whom there have been dozens, have NOT established Dhimmitude. Evidently theyre not "true muslim" leaders. Well, to Al Qaeeda, they are kaffirs. I dont see why we have to accept the AQ definition of whats a muslim leader.
"While urging men to be good and honorable, Christianity gives no specific instructions to government leaders on how to run the Government: "
There are in fact reams of material from meideval clerics on how to be a good christian ruler.
"Jimmy Carter himself admitted that instructions on how to be President were non-existent in the New Testament."
Well. Carter was an evangelical Protestant, so its not surprising he would ignore anything outside the NT as being the statement of "christianity"
" Judiasm, in the Torah, does give instructions on how judges and kings are to behave, but the mandate is that the law be applied equally, rich and poor, native or stranger "...because you were strangers in the Land of Egypt" was God's reason for requiring equal treatment of all. This command to treat others with consideration who are in a situation you USED to be in is unique in the ancient world, and totally absent from the Koran."
IIUC the Koran does call for equal treatment of rich and poor. And for all muslims, regardless of origin. Unlike Judaism, Islam is a proselytizing religion, and is not going to take the same attitude to nonbelievers.
" This lack of continuity in asserting the equality of mankind in the Koran is one reason (among others) why I reject its assertion that it is the culmination of Christianity and Judiasm."
well I reject Islams claim to be the culmination of Judaism. I ALSO reject Christianitys claim to be the culmination of Judaism. However in determining my political attitude toward Christianity, I accept that Christianity is historically diverse, and has changed over time. I must acknowledge the same facts about Islam - even as I also realize that Islam as a civilization is profoundly troubled, and needs reform. As a "liberal" (of the kind that includes classical and modern liberals) I judge people as individuals, and avoid generalizations about groups.
The policy of the mods here is wise. If you want to make posts of a certain kind, there are plenty of places on the net to do so.
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"The Philosophy of Islam is incompatable with the 21st century and the "Western way of life". "
Islam has had many and conflicting philosophies over the years.
"It is not a philosophy compatable our western political systems apperently."
A minority of muslims are supporting free speech in principle on this. A far larger number are doing nothing about the cartoons. The number who are actively protesting is probably a minority of the muslim world, even without distinguishing violent from peaceful protest.
" Besides responding with violence to violence what are we as "the west" going to do?"
We should fight violence with violence. I dont see what that has to do with approving of antimuslim riots.
" Islam is static in it's philosophy. We can't change that and it's practitioners will not as they are not allowed to by it's precepts. "
But its philosophy has changed over the centuries. Not all muslims interpret its precepts the same way.
""Killing them all" or killing many of them is a distinct possibility we are faced with."
No, its not.
" They are pushing us to it."
How exactly? How does a few embassy burnings and a boycott make Denmark change its policy - they havent, theyve stood firm, and have done so without killing anyone.
Some muslim loonies have launched a pogrom in Nigeria? Horrible, I agree. But its Africa, for crying out loud. 3 million people died in the Congo civil war. Hundreds of thousands were exterminated in Rwanda. Nigeria is poorly governed, and Kano state has a particular concentration of loonies. The Nigerian state should restore order, and if they fail of course folks have a right to defend themselves - they shouldnt pogrom back, but if they do it will still be just a minor african thingie.
" We are not looking to do it as we are hoping "demoracy" will moderate the Philosophy. I am quickly losing confidence that we can overcome the aggresive tribalism and self imposed ghettos and aggressive communities that flourish under the philosophy of Islam."
That may be so - but why should we respond with tribalism of our own?
" So folks what are our options other than violence?"
Not all violence is equal. Pogroms against civilians are not what we do.
"I am not talking "racisim" as this philosophy is not bound by race. When faced with convert or die what is the "west" to do?"
Well first we might think if a backward civilization, divided against itself, can really make us "die"? In fact they cant. Hell they cant force a small but brave nation to apologise for some cartoons. Keep this in perspective folks.
Though the 'islamic extremist" are a small minority they are huge in number and can all on the financial and material resources of the entire philosophy. Remember the only about 10% thje population made the US revolutionary war happen.
So again what are we as a civilization going to do
#34
I would not call spending enternally banging virgins, guzzling wine, and 'pigging out' on fruits much of a 'life' myself. To me it would quickly sour into an enternal hell.....
I happen to think that God gave us inteligence, emotions, spiritallity, creativity, and a soul for a purpose other then stuffing ourselves with wine, women, and food.....
#36
Rome, 20 Feb. (AKI) - A leading Italian bishop has slammed as "unacceptable" the silence of states and international organisations over the fate of Christian minorities in Muslim states in an interview published on Monday. Auxiliary bishop Rino Fisichella of Rome told Italy's best-selling daily Corriere della Sera that, "not only is the destiny of Christian minorities living in the Muslim world at stake, but everyone's freedom, the way they can exercise such freedom and the civility of international relations." Fisichella, who is also the dean of the Lateran Pontifical University, added that it was the duty of state governments and international organisation "to implement the principle of reciprocity."...
Commenting the demonstrations, Fisichella said that, "these episodes stress how difficult it is for Muslim socities to accept the principle of religious freedom which is for us a acquired right."
"It's hard to understand why these societies fear freedom and are afraid of Christians who preach fraternity and forgiveness," added the bishop.
In a reference to the murder on 5 February of an Italian priest, Andrea Santoro, in Turkey, allegedly killed by a Muslim radical, Fisichella also noted that, "it is impossible to put on the same level a cartoon and the murder of a priest."
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For the record, I'd like to express my support for the mods. I read the comments that got redacted in the Sinktrap and while some were fairly mild, it's a pattern of behavior thing.
Repeated 'kill them all' type comments will make us the wrong kinds of friends and alienate those we need to persuade.
Otherwise, what .com said. Those who got sink trapped should move on. Tommorow's another day and what happened yesterday is old history.
#42
Quote One: "May we at this stage remind our Muslim brothers that they do not have the monopoly of violence in this nation"
Plus
Quote Two: "Nigeria's 140 million people are split about equally between Muslims in the north and Christians in the south, although sizeable religious minorities live in most cities."
Equals civil war or partition. It doesnt matter what we say about, either. Its just whats going to happen.
#44
As a Christian, and seeing one side as the perpetual aggressor, I'd like to see arming of the south. I would help them defend themselves - start here. Just as with the Cold War, we fought proxy wars on the fringes, we can help turn back the war of Islamic conquer where ever possible. It can be a religion of peace, when its' extremists are dead. Bypass the fodder and take down the pretend Caliphate, the hate-spewing Imams and Mullahs.
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Liberalhawk I pretty much reject evey bit of argument you make. I will not get into a verbal wankathon. You seem to them enjoy as most "liberals" do.
My comments stand by them self with out need of interpretation. One may agree or not agree.
#46
it's an economic problem: if the price of killing them becomes lower than the price of letting them live, they will die
BH, this is a very eloquent synopsis of my own recent post regarding "A Tipping Point - The Muslim Holocaust." Islam is steadily increasing the cost burden on all host societies to the point where it is becoming intolerable. Far too many Muslims retain a sufficiently exaggerated sense of entitlement to ameliorate this cost burden through attempts at coexistence.
At some point the scales will tip. Why wait for them to tip? Especially when it will result in a Muslim holocaust. Better to read Islam the riot act, in no uncertain terms, than to let things progress even a few degrees further.
The death fatwas and demands for restrictions of free speech vis the cartoons are all the evidence we need with respect to what awaits us in a world dominated by Islam. We must now ensure that the world is not dominated by Islam.
Muslims need to begin calculating the eventual costs of continuning their attempt to gain control of this world. Western leaders owe it to their electorates to assure Islam in no uncertain terms that nuclear holocaust awaits their pursuit of imposing universal sharia law.
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Muslims need to begin calculating the eventual costs of continuning their attempt to gain control of this world
That's it, Muzzies will go to their local bar and say what do you guys think, have we pissed off the Americans enough yet ? Should we tone down our jihad ? Are you kidding ?
One thing is for sure, and that is that muzzies will not quit unless and until we slap them down. And then, they will lay low and regroup to rise again when we sleep.
There's no logic in Islam, only some smart lunatics.
KANO: Ten people died on Monday and more than 40 injured in the northern Nigerian city of Bauchi following clashes between Muslims and Christians over the supposed desecration of the Koran, a Red Cross official said. The official however pointed out that the violence was not linked to Saturdays riots in northern Nigeria over the publication of cartoons of Prophet Mohammed by a Danish newspaper which claimed at least 24 lives.
"Nope. Nope. We got riots enough to serve every need."
The incident started at 10am today at the Government Comprehensive High School, after a teacher allegedly confiscated a Muslim religious document a female student was reading in class, Red Cross disaster management official Adronicus Adeyemo said, citing reports from the town. It later spread to the town. Ten people died, six of them burnt and more than 40 others were injured, some of them with machetes, he said.
Because she took a book away from an inattentive student.
Residents of Bauchi said that the students beat up the teacher after assuming that she had confiscated the Holy Quran.
Ah, yes. There is bravery in numbers, isn't there?
The rumour spread like wildfire across the city, sparking the violence, they added. Bauchi trader Sani Haris said that the students peers went on the rampage in the school, destroying property and prompting school authorities to call in the police who restored order after firing teargas.
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Well, "no big deal", if I may (horribly) say so.
Right after 9/11, the Nigeria deathtoll of inter-religious-non-specified-violences(tm) was about 10 000, with hamlets attacked by crowds brandishing portraits of UBL, like in Indonesia right after the NYC attacks... most of them deaders were christian minorities living in muslim north, of course...
Since 2001, there was the Miss world riots, more ethnic cleasing, more sharia, more arabization, more burnt churches... one of the unreported bloody frontiers of the ROP... ah, if only they could be paleostinians, then perhaps this would make international news.
Anyway, the *usual* numbers of christians killed for their faith around the world is about 8000-10 000 a month.
No need to say which other revealed religion is the most responsible for theses persecutions, I guess.
#2
Let's be clear about this. The Muslims started to burn some 30 churches after a local paper published pictures of the pedophile for prophet. These current riots are simply the Christians fighting back. Good for them.
A Shining Path guerrilla commander believed responsible for an ambush that killed eight policemen in December has died in a shootout with authorities in Peru's jungle, police said Monday. Hector Aponte was killed Sunday in a jungle hamlet in the Huallaga Valley, Police Gen. Luis Montoya told Canal N television. The valley is a prime coca-producing region where remnants of the guerrilla group protect cocaine traffickers.
Montoya said two other guerrillas were captured and that police seized "an abundance of armaments and printed material of the guerrilla group."
Aponte was a top commander under Comrade Artemio, one of the last original Shining Path leaders still at large. Two years ago, Artemio announced a renewal of "armed activity," including spreading propaganda, sabotage and assassinations, after President Alejandro Toledo's government refused to negotiate an amnesty for the rebels.
Eight police were killed by about 20 guerrillas in December on an isolated jungle highway near the town of Aucayacu, 220 miles northeast of Lima.
AUSTRALIA would send about 200 extra troops to Afghanistan to help reconstruction efforts, Prime Minister John Howard said today.
Mr Howard said the troops would be part of a Dutch-led provincial reconstruction team (PRT). The latest deployment will take the total number of Australian troops in Afghanistan to about 500. "Australia has decided to send an Australian Defence Force reconstruction to Afghanistan," Mr Howard said. "It will begin deploying, we think, late in July."
Mr Howard said the Australians would be deployed over two years.
Last month, the Government decided to send an extra 110 troops and two helicopters to Afghanistan, increasing its military commitment to 300 personnel as coalition forces battle a resurgent Taliban.
The Government for some time has given its in-principle support to sending another 200 troops as part of a reconstruction effort to help rebuild the war-torn nation. Mr Howard said the Australian contingent would be a mixed security and reconstruction taskforce. Asked if he had received assurances the troop commitment would not stretch Australian Defence Force (ADF) capabilities, Mr Howard said: "Very much so. Very, very much so.
"We are confident that, based on the advice that we have received, that it can be carried out without imposing an unreasonable or unfair strain on the ADF."
The troops would go to Afghanistan with specific objectives and would not intervene in domestic matters such as the problem of the cultivation and selling of opium, Mr Howard said. "Dealing with that is overwhelmingly the responsibility of the local authorities," he said. "These additional forces will go there with particular targets in mind. They will go to a particular province, they will be part of a Dutch-led reconstruction force and will act in accordance with their mission objectives."
#1
Thank you, Prime Minister. You must be proud of him, Oztralian -- he's been upfront about the situation lately, saying and doing what we could only wish other world leaders would.
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Sweden's state-run aid group on Monday pledged more than five million euros in additional aid to the Palestinian territories as Israel and the United States halted much of their funding following Hamas's election victory. "The humanitarian situation in the West Bank and Gaza Strip has worsened," the Swedish International Development Cooperation Agency (SIDA) said in a statement, adding that it would provide 50 million kronor (6.4 million dollars) to the United Nations' aid programs there.
In 2005, SIDA donated nearly 100 million kronor to the Palestinian territories, a spokesman for the group told AFP.
The additional aid was necessary since Israel was not living up to its responsibility as an occupying power, Peter Lundberg of SIDA's humanitarian unit said in a statement. "According to the fourth Geneva convention, the occupying power has a particular responsibility to support and ensure the human dignity of the occupied," he said. "Since Israel is not living up to its responsibility under international law, large parts of the Palestinian population are now completely dependent on international humanitarian aid," Lundberg added.
Since you mentioned 'international law', there's this issue with Hamas wanting to murder all the Jooos ....
The situation is likely to deteriorate further after the Israeli cabinet on Sunday authorized a series of restrictive measures against the Palestinian Authority, including a halt in the monthly transfer of custom duties in response to Hamas's rise to power following last month's elections.
#1
Just how many millions do these people get in aid? 284 million from Isreal and the U.S. I wonder how much the U.N. collects for them? How about Europe and other Arab countries? And how many "Palestinians" are we(the international community)supporting?
These are not meant to be rhetorical questions..Does anyone here know the answers?
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"Since Israel is not living up to its responsibility under international law, large parts of the Palestinian population are now completely dependent on international humanitarian aid," Lundberg added.
What does international law says about funding genocide?
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Sweden's state-run aid group on Monday pledged more than five million euros in additional aid to the Palestinian territories as Israel and the United States halted much of their funding following Hamas's election victory.
Go ahead guys, and pour your money down a rathole. After all, it's your money...
"According to the fourth Geneva convention, the occupying power has..."
#5
What does international law says about funding genocide?
gromgoru, it depends. If it is an actual destroying of an ethnic group or nation, in reality, 's ok. See Rwanda, Darfur, Armenia....
But if it is genocide by refusing to pay some deadbeats' bills, as in a country whose leading/only export is splodydopes, that's offensive and should be denounced at every opportunity. Preferably while wearing a kaffiyeh.
#6
Maybe the Swedes are going to buy their way into Dhimmitude?
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Three things.
1) A couple years ago I got figures about EU's aid to Palestine, I made the division by the Palestinian official population (notice this is inflated, ie in reality they are less Paleos tahn told by PLO) and found that the aid of EU alone should ahave alowed Palestininas living quite decently (Sorry I am completely unable to remind tghe figures). Add other sources of aid and add the revenue coming from Palestinian own work. Logical conclusion is that 90% of the money didn't go to help Palestinians live better lives. It went into the pokets of PLO people or to fund terror.
Second: I would be very interested to know how much Sweden is giving to, say, victims of Arabo-Islamic genocide in Soudan or of Taliban/Al Quaidist madness in Afghanistan.
Third: After 58 fricking years and counting Palestinians are still living on international dole. Why can't they do what, say Cypriot Greeks expelled by the Turks managed to do near immediately ie work to earn (1) their money?
(1) BTW: Just last year the Saudis were explaining why Palestinians should not be given Saoudi nationality and/or jobs in order for Palestinians having to contnue the fight against Israel so the blame is to be laid also at other Arabs feets.
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What does international law says about funding genocide?
I hope this rant will not qualify for the Sink Trap (the "burn the embassy" deleting was a bit overplayed, it *is* irony, after all), but I'm really, really wondering about the actual relationship of Europe to genocide.
I mean, on one hand, you've got a paralyzing, obsessive focus on WWII and the shoah.
This is IMHO a self-legitimacy tool used by the Enlightened Euro Elites to culpabilize the european peoples and emasculate them.
In France, you've got a public franco-german channel which airs a WWII-related program about every three days (the others are generally there to present the Middle-East issue from a paleo pov), WWII treatment of the jews is the focus of an untold numbers of fictions,... it's like this genocide is the unexpressed matrix of all european policies; Hitler truly is now the most influential pol in western Europe, because he defines all the narratives, all the political expressions. He and the ones who are assimilated to him are the Devil.
This is purely debilitating, to the point of neurosis; one cannot talk of immigration, one cannot expel illegals, one cannot use force to defend himself, one cannot support war, any type of war... Uniform = nazi; strenght = nazi; State = nazi; Nation = nazi; ad nauseam...
This reveling on the shoah is IMHO a tool of the Establishment. They rule by guilt, with that, mainly, but also with others "guilts" ("you've killed the injuns, you've despoiled Africa of its wealth, you've been slave-holders,..."), this has created a culture of victimization, not the rule of the strongest, but the rule of the weakest (the islamists play that artfully), with some funny side effects, like a racist french black stand up comedian who has immerged himself fully in "antizionism" (that is fashionable, PC-antisemitism, he's a hard leftist) because he wishes the blacks to take the place of the jews as the "Uber-victims", a kind of rivalry for the top (bottom) of the victim chain-food.
Note that I am not specifically saying that jews are to blame for this "victimization culture"; some are, some leftist jews like Bernard Henry Levy who think the defining moment of Western civilization is Auschwitz, and who were big proponents of the accelerated multiculturization of France (since ethnic french are by essence chauvinistic, racist,... their identity had to be diluted with the more advanced muslim cultures so it wouldn't pose more problems), but the Elites are not jewish, they are LIBERALS.
This is a war of the Establishement against the people, using this as a weapon.
I'm sorry, I think Europe should have groveled before Israel in 1949, we had an UNSURPASSABLE debt, we should be its staunchest ally just because we are RESPONSIBLE for its creation by Germany's crime and europe's complicity... BUT I'm in no way responsible for the Shoah, there were genocides before it (armenians, ukrainians), there had been after; I'm awfully sorry, this may be un-PC, but I don't believe at ALL in the "uniqueness" of the shoah. Please, stop force-feed us this to make us feel guilty, I've enver killed any one, I'm not a jew hater.
So, this is one hand, the sacralization, even in the law, of the shoah.
But, at the same time, while the EEE love dead jews killed by nazis (they are the basis of their legitimacy), they routinely funds explicitely genocidal forces (about 500 millions euros a year to the PA) in a bid to rival with the USA like a green euro-MP thinks so (she talks of a proxy war with the USA), they've been complcit in creating ex nihilo the "palestinian people" in 1974, when international communism and the arabs decided to opt for a "people's war" against Israel and destroy it through "civilizational" warfare. This is purely a side of the Eurabia pact, if you ask me.
The Euros have no qualms about FUNDING, HELPING, AND ABAITING the actual, present day jews killers, all the while shedding tears to WWII jews and culpabilizing the european peoples about what they've done.
They wage a propaganda war, assimilating Israel to the nazis (remember the strenght = nazi, uniform = nazi,... above), presenting the David Israel as the Goliath vs the "puny paleo people" (the actual war is not an israeli-paleo one, but at the very least an arab-israeli one, or even a muslim-israeli), they are complicit in every international orgs of this would-be genocide.
This is to the point this has repercussions in Europe itself; Europe is being transformed as we blog; France now has large areas where jews kids cannot go to school freely, for fear of being beaten, where there are numerous, unreported physical assaults of jewish people by "youths", to the point of rapes of murders.
"antizionism", that is the new, improved, PC version of antisemitism, where jews = nazis, is now freely expressed and supported by the state media (as seen in the Al durah outrage).
This is insane, insane.
You really have to understand this is a treason by the Elites; again, I believe in Eurabia, and while Israel and jews are the sacrifical lamb to this deal, the ultimate loser here is Europe, who's losing its soul, and is being sold by people who longs to be destroyed (and don't forget the petrodollars, too...).
I really, really belive we're going through a defining moment of this continent's existence. It's a cliché, but we're in the 30's. something big is coming at the horizon, and the jews are the canary in the coal mine.
Am I paranoid? Or just ill-informed and semi-incoherent? And I'm not even drunk.
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"The additional aid was necessary since Israel was not living up to its responsibility paying for the weapons for Hamas as an occupying power,...."
what % of muslims live in Sweden I wonder, just curious?
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"Since Israel is not living up to its responsibility under international law, large parts of the Palestinian population are now completely dependent on international humanitarian aid," Lundberg added.
Israel is living up to its responsibility to ITSELF. That is, not to fund its own aggressors. The Palestinians are "completely dependent on humanitarian aid" for one reason and one reason alone. The complete, total and utterly malignant corruption of their leadership. It is a governance that builds NOTHING of material worth, proposes ZERO economic growth and inculcates the most hideous death-oriented mentality this world has ever seen. This, and nothing more, is the legacy of Palestinian "leadership." Any deprivation experienced by the Palestinian people is a direct and predictable result of their choice of leaders and nothing more. Israel's actions are merely the consequence and NOT the origin of these collective malfunctions. May they all rot in he||.
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so if they weren't occupying the territories the paleos would be on their own?
solution: finish the wall, declare borders, cut off ties with the paleos. give 'em a de facto nation. declare the occupation over. say bon voyage and good riddance.
then the paleos would be on their own and in no need of geneva convention-driven aid. and if the paleos attack in any way, that would be tantamount to being attacked by a foreign country, and worthy of reprisal.
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a5089, I think you're right. Your first post along these lines opened my eyes, and your subsequent posts confirmed my opinion. That's why you need to marry and have children -- so the mutation that caused you to think so clearly (even when sober) is preserved for the benefit of the species. ;-)
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I don't think government (any government) represents the will of the people, it imposes it's own will and serves itself. The government of Sweden and many others are scared because they have everything to lose and they're up against an enemy that has nothing to lose. This is why average citizens (who are drowned in conflicting opinions and are not sure what to think half the time) do not take any real action (whatever that would be) because they are not willing to risk everything they've worked so hard for. These European governments (as well as our own) appease these people to dangerous limits. If you give an angry, selfish child what it wants, it's not going to make the child happy, it's going to turn the kid into a spoiled brat. That's why everyone looks to us to fix problems around the world and when we don't they cry and then try to bite. We shouldn't give Palestine one cent. Unfortuneatly, Americans are going to need another 9-11 (God forbid) or maybe even something nuclear to wake people up. These scum don't have anything to live for and sign up in droves to commit suicide attacks against us. And until we are woken up out of our comfortable consumer habits and the general public's focus on mundane crap, we won't come together as a nation and defeat this foe, which is what it's gonna take. But maybe, if the public does wake up and face each other, we might realize we are not truly united. Border tensions and that old black/white grudge have only gotten worse and no liberal dreamweaver can admit that. What the U.S. is doing in the Middle East is one giant step in the right direction. But until we can all unite in purpose we'll leave our flank open and the next thing you know the Arab's will be in charge of our port security.
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I took a couple of minutes and googled this group. It's the usual far-left, tranzi do-good kind of agency that has no understanding whatsoever of how the world really works, or the truth of how their "aid" money is used. They support gender equity - try squaring that with Islam. They work to "stop" AIDS in Africa by providing funds for treatment - nothing about condoms, abstinence, or fidelity. They send money, food and clothing to any place where there's poverty, but do nothing to improve the ability of the people to earn a living for themselves.
I believe in the old addage, "give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish, and you feed him for a lifetime". We can't all be fishermen, but there ARE ways for these people to earn a living in their home nations. That, and that alone, should be the sole purpose of distributing anything but emergency assistance. We do no good creating dependence, and great harm. It's even worse when such aid becomes expected, even demanded.
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The cold temperature in Sweden must've been a factor for the brain's deficiency
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Border tensions and that old black/white grudge have only gotten worse
Off topic, but I think important: Has the old black/white grudge gotten worse? In the past generation more and more African-Americans have gotten educations and become solidly middle class -- even to the point of voting Republican, becoming Secretary of State, etc. But I am white, and live in an outer suburb where just being Jewish is a major point of integration -- for quite a few people I'm the first one they've ever really spoken to (you wouldn't believe the questions I'm asked, in all innocence!) So I only have impressions, not knowledge. I ask Rantburg's non-pale contingent for your opinion: better, worse or unchanged?
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I'm sorry, I was talking about in the U.S. -- I guess I wasn't clear, again. Was shellback talking about black/white problems elsewhere? DOesn't really work for Israel, though, as more than half the Jewish population are Arab Jews, not European, and there is a sizable contingent from from the wilds of Ethiopia, and are clearly African.
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oy vey iz mir. Sweden, which has a history of neutralism and a certain kind of leftism, is increasing aid, refusing to see the political (and long run humanitarian) goals of the aid cutoff. But the amount is too small to matter that much really.
While im not pleased, its not all that odd, and while im not in sweden, i doubt very much its connected to eurabia, dhimmitude, or to over focus on the Shoah.
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Some things never change....the appeasers of Hitler are now the appeasers to Islamofascism.
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Sweden has the 2nd largest (by %) Muslim population in Europe and it is growing fast. Google Malmo to see what problems they are trying hard to avoid acknowledging there. (Should be an umlaut over the 'o' but Google will find it without that.)
A federal grand jury has indicted three Toledo-area men for terrorist activities. Prosecutors say the three conspired to wage a "holy war" against the United States and coalition forces in the Middle East. The indictment was unsealed Monday.
The U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales is expected to release more details at a news conference this afternoon in Washington D.C.
According to the indictment from the US Attorney's office, the suspects are Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi, and Wassim Mazloum. The indictment says all three were living in the Toledo area. Amawi is a citizen of the US and also a citizen of Jordan. El-Hindi is a naturalized American citizen who was born in Jordan. Mazloum is a legal permanent resident of the US, who came here from Lebanon.
Mazloum also operated a car business in Toledo with his brother. The indictment accuses him of offering to use his dealership as a cover for traveling to and from Iraq so that he could learn how to build small explosives using household materials.
The indictment also names an unindicted co-conspiratory called "The Trainer," who has U.S. military backround in security, and bodyguard training.
In count 1 of the indictment, prosecutors say the three met together many times, going back as far as November 2004. The three reportedly conspired to recruit and train others for a violent jihad against United States forces and US allies in Iraq. They also reportedly put together the funding needed for the operation, and collected the equipment needed, and even travelled together to a local indoor shooting range for target practice.
Prosecutors also say the three communicated by computer with an individual in the Middle East, passing information about potential attacks and terrorist training materials back and forth, as well as communication about potential weapons and targets.
The indictment did not say if any attacks were imminent. Two of the men discussed plans to practice setting off explosives on July 4, 2005, so that the bombs would not be noticed, the indictment alleges. It's not clear if the suspects went through with those plans.
In count 2, the grand jury found that the three had similar plans to kill US citizens abroad in addition to service members.
The last three counts in the indictment dealt specifically with Mohammad Zaki Amawi. One count said Amawi distributed information on bomb-making, which in itself is a federal crime. Prosecutors also said he verbally threatened President George W. Bush, and filed two counts for that. Those crimes are separate from the conspiracy.
The indictment was filed with Judge James Carr in Federal Court in Toledo. The Justice Department says Amawi is being held at a jail in Cleveland, and will be arraigned in Cleveland some time this afternoon. El-Hindi and Mazloum are being held in a jail in Toledo. They are expected in Toledo's Federal Court this afternoon.
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Fox News:
The indictment also notes that a fourth person, referred to as "the trainer," was a U.S. citizen but was not named as a conspirator. One official told FOX News that law enforcement was tipped to the activities of these three men by this informant, who is an ex-U.S. military man who fought overseas and was living in Toledo. He is described as "a respected member of the Muslim community" who came forward and gave information to the authorities. "The trainer" has a U.S. military background and in 2002 was solicited by El-Hindi to assist in providing security and bodyguard training, among other things.
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A car dealer? What a cover to provide vehicles for car bombs...now find the local internet cafe that is always involved. They seem to be present on even the remotest of beaches, or wherever illegal deals and smuggling is going on.
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A car dealership is also a good way to launder funds, order materials, etc.
Met a European in West Africa who was an arms dealer. His legitimate (and profitable) business was, when one thought about it, a very good cover for his other and more lucrative dealings.
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FOX NEWS, includ O'REILLY, report that there are allegations the men planned to assassinate Dubya and First Lady Babs Bush during their trip to Toledo back in 2004. Their preferred scheme was to allegedly ram the Bush motorcades? vv suicide car bombing, but was even discarded due to high security!? Apparently these "desert samurai" and future "Lions of God" must've decided to let the wimin and teenagers do it.
New Delhi: 1/5 Gorkha Rifles (Frontier Force), an elite infantry battalion of the Indian Army, earmarked for the United Nations Mission in Sudan (UNMIS) on Tuesday.
India is contributing two Infantry Battalions to this mission in addition to certain support elements. The Force Commander in the Mission is also an Indian General, Lieutenant General J.S. Lidder.
It is for the first time in any UN Mission that an entire battalion has been earmarked as the Force Reserve Air Mobile Battalion.
Incidentally, this is the third foray of the battalion info the African continent, the first two having been during World War I and World War II. This highly decorated battalion has been awarded 23 Battle Honours and four Victoria Crosses in the pre- dependence period and the Battle Honours of Zojila, Kargil and Sehjra and Theatre Honours of Jammu and Kashmir and Punjab in the post independence period amongst many other awards and decorations.
It is also a recipient of the coveted Chief of the Army Staffs Unit Citation three times for outstanding achievements while serving in the North East during Operation Bagrang, in Jammu and Kashmir in Operation Rakshak and on the Siachen Glacier during Operation Meghdoot.
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Oh boy. Ghurkas have a well-deserved reputation as badasses. The Argentinians in the Falklands were willing to hold their trenches against all sorts of British Army until they heard the Ghurka regiment was being deployed, then they bugged out in droves.
In WWII, a favorite Ghurka trick was to sneak into an enemy trench at night and find two Japanese soldiers sleeping back-to-back. Then they would slit one of their throats and let the other one be the next morning's alarm clock for his unit.
The Kukri knife they use is quite large, and when used from behind, is used to split an enemies' head in half, vertically. If they are wearing a helmet, then they are beheaded. The Ghurkas are nothing if not efficient.
In one instance, a team of five Ghurkas obtained the surrender of an entire Japanese batallion on an island, purely through psychological means. They snuck into their new barracks at night and painted the bottom of every soldier's right boot. The next morning, one Ghurka boldly walked out of the jungle to greet the Japanese in formation, and pointed to their boots until they looked.
I'd suggest the bad guys in Sudan surrender now -to beat the rush. ;-p
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Hope they have reasonable Rules of Engagement. I would hate to see good men wasted because of the blue fog that seems to cloud the judgement and sap the testosterone of UN commanders.
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Some photos of Indian Army Gurhka recruits in training
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Oh boy! Don't fuck with the gurkas! I would love to see them let off the leash in Sudan. Muzzies would be running for the hills and for the apologiest at the UN in a day.
The muslims smell blood. They can make the dirty kaffirs cower in fear now.
Bollywood actress Manisha Koirala and her Persian cats Mischief and Morgan are under police protection after her dogs name sparked protests among Muslim fundamentalists. Members of the community lodged a complaint at Versova police station saying that the dogs name, Mustafa, was same as that of their spiritual head and had to be withdrawn immediately.
Fearing protest rallies, the police had beefed up security near Koiralas Beachwood Tower residence on Yari Road. There are now 12 policemen guarding her building. Since two days, the actress is believed to have been receiving threat calls regarding her pet dog. Strangely, the actress said, she did not have a dog.
Speaking to Mid Day, general secretary of Congress, Sheikh Furkhan, who led a 50-odd mob to Versova police station, said the actress is lying. Five neighbours in Beachwood Tower have seen Koirala take the pet dog for a stroll. They also confirmed that the canine had the same name as our religious leader, fumed Furkhan.
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The sound of hundreds of turbans coming unraveled and tiny little Muzzy brains exploding...
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Five neighbours in Beachwood Tower have seen Koirala take the pet dog for a stroll. They also confirmed that the canine had the same name as our religious leader, fumed Furkhan.
So???? Then tell your "religious leader" he shouldn't name himself after some Bollywood sexpot's dog, fer cryin' out loud.
And then STFU. I'm sick of hearing about you hysterical savages and your bullshit complaints. Go make wudu or something... sheesh!
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I like to go Durka Durka on that too!
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I took a big poop last night and named three of my turds: Mustafa, Mohammed and Madi.
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If history is any indicator of outcomes, if one of the airheads offs a big Bollywood star(let) you will see a lot of muzzies sharing the same fate real quick. You will see a lot of whaling and crying when they're on the other end of the 'hate' stick. They'll find sympathy in the dictionary between sh!t and syphilis.
LAHORE: The government has ended the house arrest of Jamaatud Dawa chief Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, but has asked him not leave Lahore. Dawa Information Secretary Habibullah Salfi told reporters on Monday that the government had ended Hafiz Saeed's house arrest on Monday, but had banned him from travelling to any other districts.
Hafiz Saeed was placed under house arrest on Friday when he wanted to attend a demonstration against the publishing of caricatures of the Prophet (PBUH) by several European newspapers. "A senior Lahore Police official told Hafiz Saeed on Monday morning that orders of his house arrest had been withdrawn, but that he could not travel to any other city or province of the country," Salfi said, adding that the government did not give any prior notice to Dawa about restrictions on Hafiz Saeed's travel.
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Unidentified men blew up another gas pipeline (well number 19) in Pirkoh on Monday. No casualty was reported and the local administration closed the gas well. Also, suspected tribal militants fired rockets at security forces in Kohlu and Dera Bugti. Reportedly, three rockets were fired at the Gori Nala checkpoint and at security forces in Moodah and Treman. No casualties were reported. Security personnel arrested Lal Din, Minham and Lakkan from the Pirkoh and Loti gas fields. The men are allegedly involved in terrorism cases.
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Police have charged 23 people with setting fire to two Christian churches during protests in Sukkur over desecration of the holy Quran.
That's the way Islamists pay honor to God, of course...
About 400 people attacked and damaged the churches, one of them in a convent school, in the city on Sunday. We have arrested 23 people on charges of attacking the churches and have registered cases against them, said local police chief Akbar Arain on Monday. All these people were arrested last night. The situation remained peaceful and under control today.
"We'll let 'em go for lack of evidence in a few days. Nothing to worry about."
A man accused of burning pages from the holy Quran was also in police custody, said Arain.
"He's gonna be there for a really long time. Prob'ly forever."
He said the man, a Muslim who converted from Christianity a few years ago, had burned the pages and tried to blame his father-in-law, a Christian with whom he had a property dispute.
Gosh. That's never happened before, has it?
Meanwhile, officials said that police and paramilitary soldiers were patrolling Sukkur after the riots. Troops are guarding churches and other installations while authorities have increased security in Christian-dominated areas, they added. Traders went on strike in protest at the sacrilege, closing shops, markets and commercial districts, while the government shut all schools for security reasons. Three provincial ministers rushed to Sukkur and met with Muslim and Christian leaders to calm the situation. I am sure that after meeting the leaders of both communities the situation will return to normal, said Sindh government spokesman Salahuddin Haider.
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Wait, this is odd. "He said the man, a Muslim who converted from Christianity a few years ago, had burned the pages and tried to blame his father-in-law, a Christian with whom he had a property dispute."
Am I understand to this to mean that they accepted the word of an infidel (his father-in-law) over a Muslim? Or do they worry about an inverse of Moriscos?
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Three paramilitary soldiers were kidnapped in South Waziristan and two suspected foreign Al Qaeda militants were reported killed in North Waziristan in a clash with a tribal group on Monday. Official sources said the soldiers were kidnapped few hundred yards from their base in Tiarza, north of Wana, when they were making phone calls from a public call office late on Sunday, sources told Daily Times. We are clueless about their whereabouts, an administration official said. Militants appear to be involved in the incident, he said on condition of anonymity.
Good Gawd, Inspector! How do you do it?
The Sunday kidnapping of three soldiers comes two months after militants took two paramilitary soldiers hostage from Wanas Rustan bazaar on December 7. A day after their kidnapping, bodies of two of them were found close to their base in Wana.
No word on what happened to the rest of them.
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LUCKNOW: An Islamic court in India has issued a fatwa, or religious decree, condemning to death the 12 artists who drew the controversial caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad (may he always make bail peace be upon him). The decree was issued on behalf of the Idar-e-Sharia Darul Kaza Islamic court in Uttar Pradesh state by its religious head in Lucknow.
Death is the only penalty for the cartoonists who had drawn sacrilegious cartoons of the Prophet (PBUH), Maulana Mufti Abul Irfan, the religious head of the court, said on Monday. The courts ruling is binding on Muslims, but can be challenged under Indian law. Irfan said it was clearly written in the holy Quran, that anyone who insulted the prophet deserved to be punished. He said the fatwa was applicable wherever Muslims live. Jaffaryab Zilany, a member of the authoritative national body of Muslim clerics, the All-India Muslim Personal Law Board, said however that although the fatwa was legitimate under Islamic law, it had no legal binding in India.
I think Mohammad reaching the funny papers has been the tipping point, where Islamism finally thinks it's strong enough to impose itself on the rest of the world. I don't think the Bush administration has realized this, though the Euros occasionally seem to have an actual handle on it. A predatory religion whose first recourse is to pronounce death sentences on anyone in sight is not one that the rest of the world can live with, unless the rest of the world surrenders. Personally, I'm against that.
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Right on cue the UN, Kofi Annan and the "International Community" go dumb.
Section 115
"abetment of offence punishable with death or imprisonment for life"
Section 108 "abetment in India of offences committed or meant to be committed outside India"
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Indian Penal Code
Meaningless, unless the Indian authorities rouse themselves to press charges. Do you think they'll do it, knowing the riots and bombings that will follow?
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maybe it's time to relook at our job/trades agreements that we have in place with India.
I for one don't want to buy goods or services from a country that has a court that "issued a fatwa, or religious decree, condemning to death the 12 artists who drew the controversial caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad"
We need to put pressure on them via their pocketbook since this seems to be the only thing they listen to.
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Dang it, just when I was gettin' used to the Indian accent for Customer Service calls, they had to go and do this!
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Indians have been looking a pictures such as that below - the UP state minister who called for the beheading of the cartoonists - with a mixture of shock and horror.
Is this India or is it Pakistan?
How far has talibanisation progressed in UP?
These are the elected leaders of UP - the most populous state in India?
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And there will be a backlash to this surge in muslim aggressiveness in UP.
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why was you guys attack whole world when a building goes down fools
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We're just attacking you personally. It's just your penis envy misplaced god complex take makes you hallucinate that you are the world.
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Unesh Hupoger3245, who you calling fools?!
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why was you guys attack whole world when a building goes down fools
To make sure it never happens again. Not in our country, not even in yours. That is, unless you hide military personnel or equipment in your tallest skyscrapers. Oh, and by the way, vis "fools", please get stuffed.
Islamabad, 21 Feb. (AKI/DAWN) - Pakistan has said that the United Nations and the European Union, particularly Denmark, have to redress the damage caused by the publication of cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed and demanded that practical steps be taken to prevent the recurrence of such acts. What we want from the European Union now is concrete steps. Its not enough to say that in their society there is no tolerance for discrimination and they regret the hurt the cartoons caused. This needs to be backed up with laws, said Pakistani foreign office spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam.
"In this case we do expect the European Union to put in place some laws which would ensure that in future there are no such incidents," she said.
"We are not against the freedom of expression but certainly freedom of expression as we have said repeatedly is not a license to insult other people, Aslam reiterated.
She also added that while it was the right of every Muslim to protest against the cartoons, the government expected the demonstrations to be peaceful. When they turn into violent acts we also damage our image, said Aslam.
Aslam said that Pakistan along with other members of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) had taken up the issue with the EU, the entire membership of the United Nations and the international community at every possible forum.
She added that the OIC had also asked European countries to adopt a code of conduct for their media which would take into account the sensitivities of Muslims and also curb defamation in any form or manifestation. This would include mocking and criticizing prophets, she said, underlining that the code of conduct should make it an ethical offence.
On expectations from the UN on this front, Aslam stated: We also want the United Nations to take a number of steps. One, the UN should adopt an International Communication Order which should cover limits of freedom of speech in case of religious symbols, she said.
In addition to that we would also explore the possibility if the United Nations can adopt prevention that would require states to curb defamation of religions, she said.
Aslam confirmed that while Islamabad had recalled its ambassador from Denmark, the Pakistan mission there was still operating.
She said diplomatic relations between Pakistan and Denmark were in tact. We have more than 25,000 Pakistanis (in Denmark), we just cannot abandon them, she said adding that the Pakistan mission was providing consular services to the Pakistani community.
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The only "Croncrete Solutions" are for undeveloped backwater theocratic p!sshole festering cesspit countries to shut the f&ck up about how modernized technologically proficient nations exercise their freedom of speech. More cartoons, more trampling and more economically crippling riots in Islamic countries, please.
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Thell them (the peaceful, honarable, and fun loving Muslims )what the Hollywood types tell parents when they are afraid thier kids will see all the violence, "turn it off"
#12
"OK, here it is: it's illegal to incite violence on the basis of, or under the cover of, religion. All religious services must be conducted in the native language of the host country."
Watch 'em scream.
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'All religious services must be conducted in the native language of the host country."'
Amen! Halleluyah! Deo Gratia! Something like that.
#18
Perv should try that nonsense with Hu.
Somehow I don't think they'll be so accomodating...
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wxjames, great link thanks lol
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Why is is it none of these rabid muslims understand that such a law would apply to them as well.
Can we expect to see the immediate cessation of all mosque invectives to "kill jews" "kill americans", "kill Danes", "kill Israel", "kill all infidels"? The immediate arrest of all violent hate=spewing "demonstrators". The immdediate recoginition of Israel by all muslim lands?
No? Though not. this is just a law that prohibits the dhimmie from mentioning islam in any context other than conversion.
I'm watchin gour Canadian press swallow this up as "a good idea".
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Pave Pakistan? Think of the mudslides that would result from cutting down the remaining trees -- it would be a terrible thing to do to Mother Gaia! ;-)
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Iraqi and U.S. Soldiers combined efforts Monday, capturing four known insurgents and unearthing a network of 15 weapons caches during a combined operation west of Kirkuk.
The operation began with an Iraqi-led cordon and search of a village known to be a safe haven for insurgent and terrorist cells responsible for attacks on oil pipelines and coalition convoys in the area.
With troops from the 1st Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division providing security outside the village and U.S. aircraft overhead, soldiers of the 2nd Iraqi Army Brigade moved in. Their door-to-door search quickly led to the capture of the four insurgents.
While the search was taking place on the ground, one of the pilots circling overhead noticed a large shiny object on the ground outside the town.
Once the sweep of the village was complete, 101st Airborne Soldiers took the lead in investigating the object which turned out to be a sheet of tin covering a weapons cache. Further investigations of the area revealed a network of 15 caches containing a variety of weapons systems and explosives, as well as a variety of materials used to make improvised explosive devices.
Materials uncovered included:
1 complete surface to air missile system
450 mortar rounds
12 rockets
11 complete mortar systems
31 rocket propelled grenade (RPG) launchers
70 rocket propelled grenades
30 grenades
14 machine guns
16 sniper rifles
More than 190 fuses
Tens of thousands of rounds of small arms ammunition
Multiple weapons parts, including scopes
75 pounds of propellant
Timers and parts used in making improvised explosive devices (IEDs)
1 gas mask
I'm starting to come to the conclusion that they can't be civilized because they're Arabs. I keep telling myself that's not the case, and they keep trying to prove me wrong.
Twenty-three Iraqis were killed and scores more wounded in a slew of attacks across the country on Monday, including a suicide bombing claimed the lives of a dozen people on a Baghdad mini-bus.
Killing large numbers of civilians enhances that Arab dignity and honor to no end...
The fresh bloodshed comes as the ethnic and religious factions debate whether to form a government of national unity following December general elections that gave the Shiites a majority in the 275-seat parliament.
"Governments of national unity" are invariably weak and ineffective. Better to have one party in charge and a loyal opposition to keep them honest.
In the days bloodiest attack, a suicide bomber killed 12 people Monday on a mini-bus in a Shiite neighborhood in northern Baghdad, an interior ministry official said. Rescue teams were combing the blackened vehicle to extract charred human remains. At least eight wounded were rushed to the hospital, he added. The attacker struck in Kadhamiyah, which has been regularly targeted by Sunni Muslim extremists intent on fanning sectarian strife among Iraqs religious groups.
So form a government of national unity with them instead of hunting them down and killing them like dogs. I'll come to the conclusion we're winning the war when every case like this is solved and the results publicized.
The bombing came as US ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad warned Monday that ethnic and religious conflict was the fundamental problem in Iraq.
Thank you for that statement of the obvious.
The US diplomat vowed not to fund any security forces run with a sectarian bias amid allegations that Shiite death squads have infiltrated the Iraqi police.
What they're doing is actually needed, but they're not being discrete about it. And it also, needed or not, sets a horrible precedent — witness Algeria. The police force has to present the aspect of absolute impartiality, regardless of what it's forced to do behind the scenes. It would be far better to put together a nameless organization, doe what needs done, then fold it when the crisis is past.
In other violence Monday, five Iraqis were killed when their truck convoy carrying building materials came under rocket and automatic weapons fire north of Baghdad, police in the northern city of Tikrit said. A group of 15 cars struck the convoy, which was delivering supplies to a US military base, at 6:30 am at Nabai, about 50 kilometers (30 miles) north of the Iraqi capital, police said. Five of the drivers in the nine-truck convoy were killed, while three others were wounded, and six of their heavyweight vehicles were destroyed, they said.
Seems like somebody should be able to track down a convoy of 15 cars and do terrible things to the drivers and passengers...
A bomb attack targeted the Abu Ali restaurant in the centre of the northern city of Mosul, killing five people, including one policeman and wounding 21, some 14 of whom were policemen, medical and security sources said. Police said that one man who had been seen eating his breakfast placed a bag underneath the counter before walking out. A civilian driving in his car was killed early Monday in Balad, north of Baghdad, by armed men. At least 19 day labourers waiting to be hired for work were wounded by a bomb explosion Monday morning in central Baghdad, an interior ministry official said. I was thrown back and everything was flying around me, said Ammar Jabbar Karim, 28, who was wounded in the arm and both his legs. Day labourers have repeatedly been targeted by bombers, especially those from poor Shiite neighbourhoods or those working for US-led coalition forces.
Meanwhile, three US soldiers were wounded Monday morning when a roadside bomb hit their Humvee military vehicle in southern Iraq, the US military said. The attack occurred at around 08:45 am, some 20 kilometres south of the holy city of Karbala, the military said. Insurgent attacks are often blamed on militants from Iraqs Sunni minority, powerful under deposed president Saddam Hussein, but who have lost out politically to the Shiites in postwar Iraq.
Two Macedonians kidnapped near the southern Iraqi port of Basra last week were freed Monday, a British official said. The two men, employed by ECOLOG, a contracting company, working with British forces in Basra, were abducted Thursday while traveling from the citys airport to the companys offices.
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So are the Irish incapable of being civilized? Just checking to see if my Gaelic cousins are as similarly burdened by genetics as my Arab cousins.
For the love of Christ, man, those are innocent Arabs being butchered. It's not as if the victims have any say in their own slaughter.
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what Mitch said.
As for the politics, if the possibility were there to have a Kurdish-Allawi govt and put SCIRI in opposition id be all for that. But the votes didnt turn out that way. Assuming UIA stays united, its gonna be the core of any govt. And a UIA led govt thats NOT a national unity govt is going to be - well lets say problematic. Thats why Kalilzad is pushing for a national unity govt (oh and national unity govts arent always ineffective - in Israel in the 80s a national unity govt tamed inflation)
Oh, and it IS a very good idea to have some Sunni parties in the govt.
IRAN'S uranium enrichment facilities, built in underground bunkers, would survive any military strikes, the Islamic republic's nuclear program director said today.
"The enrichment facilities, particularly Natanz, are located underground and no offensive could damage them," said Gholamreza Aghazadeh, the head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organisation, quoted by the student ISNA news agency.
Mr Aghazadeh also boasted about the fortress like nature of its Isfahan plant, which is located in a network of subterranean tunnels, and touted Iran's uranium supplies.
"Our reserves are extremely developed. We can extract uranium from mines in Bandar Abbas, Saghand and Yazd," he said.
Israeli officials have raised the spectre of air strikes against Iranian nuclear facilities and the United States has refused to rule out the military option in their efforts to stop Tehran's drive for atomic power.
Iran vehemently denies that its nuclear program serves any purpose other than to provide a source of energy for power plants, but the United States and European Union charge the Islamic republic is seeking an atomic bomb.
"Iran is ready to provide any guarantees that our nuclear activities are not geared toward nuclear weapon production," said Mr Aghazadeh.
On a defiant note, he said: "We have obtained our nuclear technology while the target of sanctions and we have not obtained it from the West.
"s a consequence, (future) sanctions will not have any impact on our nuclear activities."
Seeking to end the standoff between Iran and the international community, Russia and Tehran held talks today to develop Moscow's compromise proposal for uranium enrichment to be carried out on Russian soil, but the visit ended with no breakthrough.
If Iran rejects the Russian plan, tension will rise rapidly ahead of the March 6 meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency's board of governors, which voted earlier this month to report Tehran to the UN Security Council.
The UN body could slap sanctions on the Islamic republic.
#6
The problem with open pit mines is that they are subject to toxic chemical spills. Say, for example, a large quantity of some toxic chemical that was persistant for say, 20 years minimum, was accidently spilled on such a mine, mining would damn near be impossible.
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trailing wife, I'm sure by now that you're aware of how even a single woman of your wit and intelligence is of equal danger to all Islam as any bunker busters our military might deploy.
#11
Here's a page that summarizes the political activity against nuclear BB's (actually called RNEPs: Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator) through April, 2004. And once the opposition had it in the bag, Bush dropped it from the 2005 budget in October, 2004.
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This guy is gonna go down with the like of Bagdad Bob. Bunker busting does not need to be a nuke. It just might have been canned because we have other means. It was posted here the other day about a 30,000 lb fuel/air bomb. That would probably do most any bunker they could build or at least kill everyone in it.
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And if that don't work we'll use zens idea and send in our very own TW! that's the last person they want to deal with!!
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From Gundam Wing - Endless Waltz
Scene: Heero is in space in a Giant Mecha, opponents are in 'invulnerable' underground fortress
Heero: Let me confirm, your shelter shield is activated?
Dekim Barton: What are you planning?
Heero: Your shelter is secure, is it?
Mariemaia Kushrenada: Of course it is! See for yourself just how powerless you are.
Heero: Roger that. (Opens fire)
Mariemaia Kushrenada: gasps!
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We don't really need to destroy the sites though do we? Just blast whatever area we need to let the radiation loose. It's going to come out if we blast the whole place open anyway, so why not just save some money and kill them with a sliver. The equipment would become contaminated and the scientist working there would be to. problem solved.
Although the world would raise a fuss about the civilians near the target sites. Though I can live with Peaceniks going redface and passing out from lack of oxygen.
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¹Although the nuclear tipped bunker busters could do the trick, the object of the game would be to get it (them) to a depth of 400 to 500 feet down before detonation, or a moon shaped crater will blow out the surface exposing all to radiation (assuming we cared at this point)poisoning! How do we get it to target? At 400 feet, a circumspectral-dome would result burying all the pulverized remnants (neat tidy wrapup)!
¹The US could use multiple conventional bunker busters followed by a MOAB in the same track (assuming they have enough in the arsenals for atleast 100 target locations,
³The Israeli option would be to employ the gopher hole smoking technique with iradiated gas to expose "highlight" the entrances and exits to terminally trap the sites with smart bombs.
#20
close it up like a tomb. I like that, them Israelies are such smat folks!
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Similar claims were made for Saddam and his WMD progs/labs, and we all know how it turned out for both. Even ole Saddam by his courtroom antics appears to be biding his time until American Hiroshimas take place, or the world sees his Court hearing is worse than he was - like good Lefty schemes, its prob a little of both, andor any.
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Well, let us say this about our bunker busters. During the first gulf war, they could penetrate 200ft of sand and then 20ft of reinforced concrete. They have gotten A LOT better since then. So I must ask you Aghazadeh. Do you feel lucky, punk? Do ya?
#6
Gerecht had a piece in the Weekly Standard a couple of weeks ago stating that Ahmadinejad was a gift in that he cannot fake moderation and does seem to be trying to exercise power to act on his beliefs. The clarity is refreshing.
It's not clear what will happen. Key uncertainties are a) does Iran already have a working nuke, b) will Europe stand with us when diplomatic means are exhausted and c) will Iraq erupt if we attack the Iranian facilities.
To me, we can weather any storm, up to and including an operational Iranian nuke, if Europe backs use of force. Of course, we can weather such a storm alone, but a decision to use force early (i.e. in time) is less likely because we will have to factor in follow-on diplomatic losses in our position if and when Europe piles on after the inevitable setbacks that will occur any time military operations are launched (anything from downed pilots to closing the Straits).
A factor I think unworthy of consideration is any materially helpful action by Iranian resistance groups. They would have been helpful 2 years ago but did nothing. We should have done more sooner to support them but there is no evidence that it would have mattered. The mullahs have a pretty effective police state so it takes extreme courage to stand up to it in an organized fashion. Unfortunately, it appears the more courageous Iranians fall into the 'death to the great satan' crowd.
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Gerecht had a piece in the Weekly Standard a couple of weeks ago stating that Ahmadinejad was a gift in that he cannot fake moderation and does seem to be trying to exercise power to act on his beliefs. The clarity is refreshing.
His clarity does not help if our government refuses to believe he means what he says.
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Austin Bay reports on declassified, captured Al Qaeda documents that shed light on the long war - and on the extent of their planning and strategy. Short excerpt - RTWT:
On page 11 the failure of Muslim organizations to instill genuine hard militancy. This puts the Cartoon Wars in a new light. Al Qaeda has had ten to fifteen years to harden these organizations.
Inability to transform civilian Islamic missionary groups into military organizations capable of resistance and self defense:
This could be the most valuable lesson relating to the Islamic missionary groups in the Arab & Moslem countries. The battle may have erupted unexpectedly; however a large sector of the Moslems (Especially the leaders) knew that it was inevitable, those leaders did not prepare nor plan. Those missionary groups brought their peaceful missionary style and methods to the fight, the sheik failed miserably when he wore the generals hat. It is astonishing to see and hear leaders of Moslem organizations preaching jihad and claiming that dieing for Allah is their ultimate wish, yet they fail for tens of years to instruct religiously and train militarily for that fight, they could not produce documents for emergency (e.g. passports), or save money for tough times. They were unable to mobilize effectively and in a hurry, those organizations were ineffective and eventually collapsed.
But to Al Qaedas strategists, Syria proved to them that some form of Islamist revolution would work...
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At least seven more people have been killed on the fourth day of the heaviest fighting seen in the Somali capital for several years. Supporters of some of Mogadishu's militia leaders have clashed with an armed Islamist group which says it is trying to establish law and order. Their opponents say the Islamic courts are terrorising local people. More than 22 people have died since fighting began on Saturday - many of them civilians hit by stray bullets. 
KANO: Ten people died on Monday and more than 40 injured in the northern Nigerian city of Bauchi following clashes between Muslims and Christians over the supposed desecration of the Koran, a Red Cross official said. The official however pointed out that the violence was not linked to Saturdays riots in northern Nigeria over the publication of cartoons of Prophet Mohammed by a Danish newspaper which claimed at least 24 lives. 
A Shining Path guerrilla commander believed responsible for an ambush that killed eight policemen in December has died in a shootout with authorities in Peru's jungle, police said Monday. 
AUSTRALIA would send about 200 extra troops to Afghanistan to help reconstruction efforts, Prime Minister John Howard said today.
LAHORE: The government has ended the house arrest of 
Unidentified men blew up another gas pipeline (well number 19) in Pirkoh on Monday. No casualty was reported and the local administration closed the gas well. Also, suspected tribal militants fired rockets at security forces in Kohlu and Dera Bugti. Reportedly, three rockets were fired at the Gori Nala checkpoint and at security forces in Moodah and Treman. No casualties were reported. Security personnel arrested Lal Din, Minham and Lakkan from the Pirkoh and Loti gas fields. The men are allegedly involved in terrorism cases.
Police have charged 23 people with setting fire to two Christian churches during protests in Sukkur over desecration of the holy Quran. 
Three paramilitary soldiers were kidnapped in 
LUCKNOW: An Islamic court in India has issued a fatwa, or religious decree, condemning to death the 12 artists who drew the controversial caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad (
Twenty-three Iraqis were killed and scores more wounded in a slew of attacks across the country on Monday, including a suicide bombing claimed the lives of a dozen people on a Baghdad mini-bus.
