[SUDANTRIBUNE] Sudanese Prime Minister Abdallah Hamdok pledged to cooperate with the ICC to achieving justice in Darfur, stressing that justice was one of the revolution’s slogans.
On Sunday, Hamdok received the General Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC) Fatou Bensouda who is visiting Sudan for the first time.
The meeting was attended by the Minister of Cabinet Affairs Omer Monis and Minister of Justice Nasr al-Din Abdel-Bari.
Following the meeting with the visiting prosecutor, Hamdok issued a statement welcoming Bensouda’s "historical visit" saying it is a testimony of the reform of the country which had refused in the past to cooperate with the Court.
"Our commitment to achieving justice is not only an international one but a direct response to deliver on the slogans of the December revolution," he said.
The ICC has issued arrest warrants against the former President Omer al-Bashir and two senior officials as well as some militia leaders including Ali Koushaip who is now under arrest in The Hague.
The three former officials are indicted for genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes, committed during the counterinsurgency campaign in which some 300,000 people were killed, according to the United Nations.
Bensouda who arrived late on Saturday told reporters that her visit has a double objective.
The purpose of the visit is to achieve two goals.
The first is to brief the Sudanese officials about the work of prosecution and the ICC’s jurisdiction, as the court needs to ensure that all ICC indicted of war crimes in Darfur, would be brought to justice, she said alluding to the principle of complementarity.
In line with the principle of complementarity, Sudan has the right to prosecute Darfur crimes. The Hague court may only exercise jurisdiction where national legal systems fail to do so.
The second purpose, according to the prosecutor, is to agree on ways to cooperate with the Sudanese authorities in collecting information related to the case of Ali Kushayb who surrendered himself in June 2020.
The ICC prosecutor held a separate meeting with the Sudanese justice minister to discuss all these issues before to meet Hamdok.
Also, Bensouda met with the deputy head of the Sovereign Council Mohamed Hamadan Hemetti.
Speaking after the meeting, she said she wanted to obtain the full commitment of all the Sudanese authorities to cooperate with the court to achieve justice in Darfur.
[albawaba] Saudi Arabia's 'Quiet' Boycott Deals a Heavy Blow to The Turkish Economy
Without making it official, Saudi Arabia has succeeded in dealing a tough, direct blow to Turkey through a wide boycott of its products, in response to the many disparaging statements made by Turkish officials towards the kingdom, whether in the context of the Jamal Khashoggi case or in political campaigns directed against Riyadh's role in regional issues.
That role seems to be resented by the Turks, who have sought to undermine it but failed.
The call for the boycott started on social media networks and quickly became the trending issue for Saudis on online platforms. The call then became a reality when local officials in the trade and industry sectors urged citizens to boycott products coming from Turkey or bearing a mark showing that they were made in Turkey. The move predictably irked Turkish businessmen at home, and turned into a pressure card on Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
#BREAKING: US @stevenmnuchin1 tells reporters onboard #LY973 that "we are working on other normalization deals, and I'm sure there will be more announcments"
A murderer who confronted the London Bridge attacker with a narwhal tusk in 2019 will see his 17-year prison sentence reduced under a royal pardon, reports The Mirror.
Under the pardon, he will be able to reduce his prison sentence by 10 months and can apply for parole in June 2021.
Steve Gallant, 47, was jailed in 2005 after killing a former firefighter outside of a pub in the Northeastern city of Hull.
Gallant was on his day release at a conference organized to help rehabilitate prisoners when the attacker, convicted terrorist Usman Khan,
...the Pakistani-Brit former jailbird who ran off from the conference to knife all the passersby he could reach before being stopped and killed. As a precocious 15 year old high school drop-out he’d gotten on terrorist watchlists for preaching hate with Anjem Chaudry’s al-Muhajiroun on the streets of Stoke-on-Trent. He’d been released the previous year after serving time for plotting to bomb the London stock exchange for Al Qaeda in Arabia, but ISIS claimed he died while killing for them...
fatally stabbed two people.
Gallant has received the royal prerogative of mercy by the Queen, for his "exceptionally brave actions...which helped save people's lives despite the tremendous risk to his own."
This is the first royal pardon for a convicted murderer in 25 years.
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Lt me get this straight, he was convicted for killing a (mostly peaceful) terrorist that was piercing people with a (mostly peaceful) knife?
Even for the Brits this sounds like insanity.
[GREEKCITYTIMES] The Greek diplomatic mission in Azerbaijan is under threat, according to sources quoted by SLPress.The complaints refer to specific incidents that have taken place against members of the Greek Embassy in the Azerbaijani capital of Baku and poses a threat to their security.
Everyone is under suffocating surveillance, while there are problems with the general planned "support" of the Greek diplomatic mission, as provided internationally.
The situation escalated from the moment Greece recalled Ambassador Konstantinos Piperigos shortly after his official assumption of office in Baku, SLPress wrote.
During the ceremony of handing over the Ambassador’s credentials, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev accepted the credentials but delivered a pro-Ottoman Turkish and anti-Greek speech by saying:
"I can tell you, and it is no secret, that The Sick Man of Europe Turkey ...just another cheapjack Moslem dictatorship, brought to you by the Moslem Brüderbund... is not only our friend and partner, but also a brotherly country for us. Without any hesitation whatsoever, we support Turkey and will support it under any circumstances. We support them [Turkey] in all issues, including the issue in the Eastern Mediterranean."
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Yerevan will recognize the independence of Karabakh if it becomes clear that Baku, supported by Turkey, will not go through negotiations - President of Armenia https://t.co/6EftZ45d9g#Caucasus
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Is he still mad that the Trump administration shut down the Chinese consulate down in Texas that was handing money out to a variety of Antifa/Black Lives Matter groups?
#4
Given the tense relationship between our two countries, that kind of talk in public is a good way for a US-based China Daily bureau head to get himself PNG’d...
#5
#3 the Trump administration shut down the Chinese consulate down in Texas that was handing money out to a variety of Antifa/Black Lives Matter groups
There are a myriad other channels for the Chinese cadres to funnel $$$ to Blamtifa.
Time to open up & scrutinize the Democrats' dark money labyrinth
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/\ There are a myriad other channels for the Chinese cadres to funnel $$$ to Blamtifa.
Yes, time to examine international foundations, colleges and university admissions, non-for profits, political campaign funding. Did I mention colleges and university admissions ?
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Deport him or charge him with inciting violence
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calling for violence in US cities, no big deal; attacking Saint Greta: beyond the pale!
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Yes, time to examine international foundations, colleges and university admissions, non-for profits, political campaign funding. Did I mention colleges and university admissions ?
Why investigate? If they do Dir. Wray would have to cover up the intel.
[TheSpectator] French officials plan to expel 231 radicalized foreign nationals in a sweeping crackdown after the brutal slaying of a teacher Friday.
Minister of the Interior Gérald Darmanin said he intends to move swiftly in response to the killing of Samuel Paty, a history teacher who was beheaded after showing cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in class.
President Emmanuel Macron has called the killing an "Islamist terrorist attack."
The primary response to the attack includes the deportation of 231 foreigners in the File of Alerts for the Prevention of Terrorist Attacks (FSPRT), which tracks radicalized activities, according to Europe 1.
Darmanin had planned to expel the people already, having traveled to Morocco the previous week to ask the government to accept nine of its radicalized nationals.
Good to see a high government official acting proactively in a good cause, and prepared to grab an expected opportunity to act.
He plans to meet with officials in Algeria and Tunisia to discuss similar deals.
On the list are 180 people currently in prison and another 51 individuals who will be arrested shortly, officials said. More than 850 illegal immigrants are registered to the FSPRT, 24 News reported.
French authorities have already arrested 11 individuals in connection with the killing, the BBC reported, though it is not clear if they are also part of the planned expulsions.
Four close relatives of the suspect were detained shortly after the attack. Six more people were held on Saturday, including the father of a pupil at the school and a preacher described by French media as a radical Islamist.
The preacher is a new addition since yesterday...
Darmanin also plans to bring into focus the question of the right to asylum,
Whoa — that’s a new paradigm, bud!
since an 18-year-old Chechen refugee, identified only as Abdoulakh A.,
..elsewhere spellt Abdullakh Anzorov ...
is suspected of killing Paty. The minister asked his services to more carefully examine people who wish to obtain refugee status in France.
To summarize: Chechen refugee Abdullakh Anzorov, 18, cut off the head of Conflans-Sainte-Honorine school teacher Samuel Paty for holding a classroom discussion on freedom of thought with reference to several Mohammed cartoon. Several Muslim parents objected in principle, though their children were invited to absent themselves to protect their delicate sensibilities. Clearly this did not work. Since then ten of Mr Anzorov’s friends snd relations have been arrested, several of whom are on jihadi watch lists.
See also here and here.
[Dhaka Tribune] Thousands of people rallied in central Gay Paree on Sunday in a defiant show of solidarity with a teacher beheaded for showing pupils cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed.Demonstrators on the Place de la Republique held aloft posters declaring: "No to totalitarianism of thought" and "I am a teacher" in memory of the decapitated victim Samuel Paty.
Some chanted "I am Samuel", echoing the "I am Charlie" cry that travelled around the world after Islamist button men killed 12 people at the Charlie Hebdo ...A lefty French satirical magazine, home of what may well be the majority if the active testicles left in Europe... satirical magazine in 2015 for publishing caricatures of the Islamic prophet.
Between bursts of applause, others recited: "Freedom of expression, freedom to teach."
Demonstrations are also planned for the cities of Lyon, Toulouse ...lies on the banks of the River Garonne, half-way between the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea. The Toulouse metropolitan area is the fourth-largest in La Belle France... , Strasbourg, Nantes, Marseille, Lille and Bordeaux.
Paty's liquidation has shocked the country and brought back memories of a wave of Islamist violence in 2015 that started with the Charlie Hebdo massacre.
Those killings saw some 1.5 million people gather on the Place de la Republique in support of freedom of expression.
Ahead of on Sunday's gathering, Education Minister Jean-Michel Blanquer called on "everyone to support the teachers," telling broadcaster La Belle France 2 that it was vital to show "our solidarity and unity."
Prime Minister Jean Castex and Gay Paree mayor Anne Hidalgo were among those present.
The aggrieved father had named Paty and gave the school's address in a social media post just days before the beheading which President Emmanuel Macron has labelled an Islamist terror attack.
SUSPECT INCREASINGLY RELIGIOUS
Ricard did not say if the attacker had any links to the school, pupils or parents, or had acted independently in response to the online campaign.
The prosecutor said the attacker had been armed with a knife, an airgun and five canisters. He had fired at police and tried to stab them as they closed in on him.
He was in turn shot nine times.
The Russian embassy in Gay Paree said the suspect's family had arrived in La Belle France from Chechnya when he was six and requested asylum.
Locals in the Normandy town of Evreux where the attacker lived described him as low key, saying he got into fights as a child but calmed down as he became increasingly religious in recent years.
Friday's attack was the second of its kind since a trial started last month over the January 2015 Charlie Hebdo massacre.
The magazine republished the cartoons in the run-up to the trial, and last month a young Pak man maimed two people with a meat cleaver outside the magazine's former office.
Ricard said Paty's murder illustrated "the very high-level terrorist threat" La Belle France still faces but added the attacker was not known to French intelligence services.
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Dave Baldwin worked for me as a Major, and i worked extensively with the CalGuard during my post military career in Homeland Security while he was the Adjutant General. Aspects of this are a hit piece and the events around the demonstration by BLM in El Dorado Hills are very intimate to me since i lived there for 27 years before moving to lovely Minden/Gardnerville NV. The request for air support by the El Dorado Country Sheriff to give situational awareness was a legal Military Support to Civil Authority mission though the standard channel via the CA Office of Emergency Services
EDSO is a small department (roughly 100 sworn) and where I served as a volunteer after my retirement 2013-2018. The context of the request was in he August period of widespread civil disorder by BLM/Antifa and the specific event in El Dorado Hills was a street walk of this high end suburban neighborhood by BLM making a very visible trek down the street of residents carrying signs and bullhorns. Given the flashpoints across the country, the MSCA request was reasonable and since it came through official channels via OES and was legal as the article admits the IG judged the Air Guard tasking was both legal and reasonable. MG Baldwin would not even have been in the direct approval chain for an OES tasking. This is pure LATimes hit piece and suggests a woke Air Guard source with issues at the tasking.
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To NMBS's point, there were many disturbances in Sacramento and in neighboring El Dorado CA throughout the summer. The SacBee reported that the National Guard was called out to protect El Dorado as early as June 1.
Gavin Newsom is a liar. There's nothing new let alone "concerning" about these simple well-known facts.
[WKRC] A local real estate company is suing dozens of protesters in a class action lawsuit.
Several nights of protests that turned to riots left buildings in Cincinnati neighborhoods damaged.
Court St. Executive Suites fell victim. Now, they are suing to pay for the damages.
"The windows were broken and some sort of contaminant was thrown inside the building on furniture, the walls, and the carpeting," said Blessing.
Attorney Bill Blessing represents the business. The suit wants to represent other businesses that were looted, vandalized, or damaged during the unrest.
It is targeting 90 protesters who were arrested.
"Each of those people were arrested in connection with the rioting. Some were charged with more serious crimes, some less serious. All were non-compliant with police orders," said Blessing.
Defense attorney Erik Laursen represents a person named in the lawsuit. He said his client was peacefully protesting and wasn’t arrested in the Court St. area.
"The one person that I am representing, his case has already been dismissed and expunged. Yet, he is named in this lawsuit," said Laursen.
The suit alleges the 90 people were aiding, abetting, or promoting riotous acts.
"I’m not sure where all of these allegations are coming from, other than a desire to try and bring a bunch of OTR, Walnut Hills, and Clifton Heights businesses together against the protests," said Laursen.
Blessing told Local 12 Ohio law says the city cannot be held responsible. His client wants those who damaged property to pay.
"We learned in kindergarten you clean up your own mess," said Blessing. "That is what we are seeking to have them do. It’s something very primary."
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I’ve no idea, Skidmark. Cincinnati had regular BLM marches-cum-riots for a while starting at the end of May, as seen in the archives. But we’d been hunkered down for ages by that point, so I didn’t pay close attention beyond doing up articles for Rantburg. But Gateway Pundit has video here.
I just hope Mr. Blessing, esq. collects a huge client list for this, and on their behalf nails those miscreants to a wall. And their paymasters, too.
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The suit alleges the 90 people were aiding, abetting, or promoting riotous acts.
Interesting. If it succeeds, there could be a very useful precedent that can be used to go after Blamtifa's enablers in the various DA offices and city councils around the country
Windows were broken in Downtown, Over-the-Rhine and near the University of Cincinnati and police said multiple businesses were looted. The city instituted a curfew and arrested around 500 people in about 4 days in late May and early June.
The class action lawsuit was filed by Court Street Executive Suites. The business is asking the court for the the lawsuit to represent all businesses and property owners who experienced damage as a result of the incidents.
The lawsuit compares the unrest this summer in Cincinnati to the 1884 courthouse riot which left 50 people dead and burned the courthouse to the ground. It states both incidents were spurred on by "the perceived unfairness of the criminal justice system.
"(In 1884), each member of the rioting crowd was civilly and criminally responsible, because each encouraged, aided, or participated in the riot," the lawsuit states.
The lawsuit says the protests this summer "turned into riot, which continued for three nights: a concerted course of arson, assaults, damage to public property and business establishments, as well as extensive looting."
Lawyer William Blessing is representing Court Street Executive Suites, which owns the building were Blessing's office resides. Blessing said he also associated with the ownership of the building beyond representing the company legally.
Blessing said in other states the law allows businesses to sue the municipal government for failing to maintain the peace, but Ohio does not allow for that, so his clients are seeking compensation straight from the alleged perpetrators.
He said the defendants were chosen based on arrest reports related to the protests and unrest. Blessing said his investigation is continuing and more defendants could be added to the case.
"Those who participated, connived, conspired, tacitly consented to, aided, abetted, ratified, or encouraged the rioting are just as responsible for the injuries and damages as are the specific perpetrators," the lawsuit states.
Of the 90 charged in the lawsuit:
49 were only charged with misconduct during an emergency when arrested during the unrest.
12 were only charged with failure to disperse when arrested during the unrest.
At least, 40 have never had faced any criminal charges other than traffic violations in Hamilton County
55 have addresses listed in Cincinnati, according to the suit, and another 32 have address in Greater Cincinnati or Northern Kentucky.
Two were charged with rioting, but in one case that charged was dropped while an arson charge remained.
The remaining charges include disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, aggravated trespassing, theft, obstructing official business and upsetting public or private receptacles.
Lawyer Jennifer Kinsley is representing some of the defendants named in the lawsuit. She said the city's basis for charging her clients with misconduct in an emergency was solely because they were outside after curfew.
"They were engaged in ongoing peaceful protest and others were just trying to return to their cars or their residences to comply with the order, but were unable to do so due to the large crowd."
Kinsley said she is going to work to have the lawsuit dismissed for her clients, many of whom she says are indigent and have no money to pay damages even if they were responsible for property damage.
"This isn't 1884. This is 2020," Kinsley said. "We respect the right of free speech and we do not sue people for other people's actions."
Senior PLO official Saeb Erekat is currently in serious but stable condition at Hadassah Ein Kerem hospital in #Jerusalem. He was rushed there earlier today after a deterioration in his health due to COVID-19, from his home, to the hospital, under IDF protection. (@ignis_fatum)
[THEBAGHDADPOST] The leaders of Leb ...an Iranian colony situated on the eastern Mediterranean, conveniently adjacent to Israel. Formerly inhabited by hardy Phoenecian traders, its official language is now Arabic, with the usual unpleasant side effects. The Leb civil war, between 1975 and 1990, lasted a little over 145 years and produced 120,000 fatalities. The average length of a ceasefire was measured in seconds. The Lebs maintain a precarious sectarian balance among Shiites, Sunnis, and about a dozeen flavors of Christians. It is the home of Hezbollah, which periodically starts a war with the Zionist Entity, gets Beirut pounded to rubble, and then declares victory and has a parade. The Lebs have the curious habit of periodically murdering their heads of state or prime ministers... ’s Maronite and Orthodox Christian churches urged Lebanese leaders on Sunday to stop delaying talks on forming a government in scathing sermons in which they blamed them for the country’s financial crisis and political deadlock.
Patriarch Bechara Boutros al-Rai, leader of the Maronite church, was speaking a day after demonstrators marched through Beirut to mark the first anniversary of a protest movement which erupted last October against corruption and mismanagement.
In the year since, Lebanon’s problems have been compounded by the coronavirus (aka COVID19 or Chinese Plague) ...the twenty first century equivalent of bubonic plague, only instead of killing off a third of the population of Europe it kills 3.4 percent of those who notice they have it. It seems to be fond of the elderly, especially Iranian politicians and holy men... pandemic and a devastating explosion in Beirut in August.
"Take your hands off the government and liberate it. You are responsible for the crime of plunging the country into total paralysis in addition to the implications of the corona pandemic," the patriarch said in his sermon.
His remarks came after two main Christian parties, the Free Patriotic Movement Despite its name a Christian party allied with Hizbullah, neither free nor particularly patriotic... (FPM) and Lebanese Forces A Christian political party founded by Bashir Gemayel, who was then bumped off when he was elected president of Leb... , said this week they would not back the nomination of former Prime Minister Saad al-Hariri to lead a new government to tackle the deep economic crisis, further complicating efforts to agree a new premier.
"The responsibility and accountability is collective. Who among you officials has the leisure of time to delay consultations to form a government?" he said.
"No one is innocent of Lebanon’s (financial) bleeding."
The head of the Shi’ite Amal party and parliamentary speaker Nabih Knobby Berri ...Speaker of the Lebanese parliament, head of the Amal Shiite party aligned with Hezbollah, a not very subtle sock puppet of the Medes and Persians... said he was optimistic next week would bring reassuring news for Lebanese in terms of government formation.
"We will see movement starting Monday," he was quoted by NBN television as saying, without elaborating.
In his Sunday sermon, Greek Orthodox Archbishop Elias Audi also lambasted the political elite.
"Return to your conscience, leaders ... be humble and listen to the pain of your people," the archbishop said.
Hariri, who quit as prime minister last October in the face of the nationwide protests, has said he is ready to lead a government to implement reforms proposed by La Belle France as a way to unlock badly needed international aid.
Parliamentary consultations to name a new prime minister were due to be held last Thursday, but President Michel Aoun ...president of Leb, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Hizbullah... postponed the discussions after receiving requests for a delay from some parliamentary blocs.
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[Patreon] Today, a long day. Out with an Army vet friend who did two EOD tours in Iraq. Name is Al Johnson. Al and I have been fighting China together around Asia since 2014. We've done more than our share to CCP and are plotting more.
Today we were out with Proud Boys. Checking them out in Salem, Oregon. The Proud Boys are not a concern. The ones we met are fine. They like to drink a lot of beer but they were not up to any trouble. One even had moonshine.
The Proud Boys numbering 40-50 (including many women) marched to the Governor's Mansion. The police know that Proud Boys are no trouble and only about six officers showed up. Many local and Feds have told me they don't worry about Proud Boys.
After our time talking with Proud Boys today, we drove three hours from Salem, Oregon to Lacey, Washington.
Al Johnson and I had plenty of time to talk. We've both travelled America, travelled the world, been to war, and more. I've attended Al's counter-terrorism training in Thailand and Indonesia. We been downrange checking out the global neighborhood.
Drugs. America is going insane with these drugs. I've only been back less than a month and the drug addicts and homeless camps pop out more than even the riots.
Al Johnson and I have drifted from merely anti-drug to very pro doing-something-about-this.
This drug problem in America is of epic proportion. I've not seen anything like this in Asia or Middle East. Or even in America until now. I spent six years in Europa ...the land mass occupying the space between the English Channel and the Urals, also known as Moslem Lebensraum... and never saw it this bad.
These drugs are destroying a lot of people and places. I am no longer ambivalent on the war on drugs. This will make a lot of people angry but I know what I am seeing. These drugs are poisoning our country. China went through this with the Opium Wars and this devastated China. Now China ships drugs the world 'round.
I no longer buy any idea that a war on drugs is bad. These American streets are littered with people who do not bathe and who crap everywhere. They live on the sides of major highways. I even saw one camp in a medium a few weeks back.
This is wrong, America. We are watching people rot in the streets.
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Sorry, it's a no-win. Imagine hypothetically that it was possible to stop all importation of hard drugs from outside America's borders. The people who want to get high are going to find a way to do it. When I was in college, I had a friend who worked nights as a security guard at a chemical company. People used to get over, under or through the chain link fence behind the warehouse to steal industrial solvents from 55 gallon drums. He often caught them because there were, in his words, "the most pathetic derelicts." They couldn't get any skag so they were huffing toluene and benzene if they could get it. Some were passing around a gallon clorox bottle of "tulio" when he grabbed them, they were in such a hurry to get high they didn't even get outside the fence before they incapacitated themselves.
Now, return to that opening hypothetical. Admit that that ain't happening. The "war on drugs" isn't about stopping the devastation that illegal drugs cause, it's about $$$ for LE, courts, rehab outfits, lawyers, on and on.
Nobody who is paying attention is confused about this.
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Secure the borders. Step 1. That solves a ton of issues.
Murcek, nice anecdote - an anecdote that means exactly jack shit in terms of proof or fact.
Treatment, diversion, etc, will not work unless you also dry up the supply and make it very very hard to get the drug, and the rehab and curatives are fare more common. Until you address the ample supply, demand will grow with it. Its not a one or the other solution. You have to do both.
A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing
the drug and gang related violence in Mexico.
Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has
dominated Mexico for six years.
Rantburg was assembled from recycled algorithms in the United States of America. No
trees were destroyed in the production of this weblog. We did hurt some, though. Sorry.