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Arabia
Yemen in fresh bid for al-Huthi surrender
Yemen is to launch a fresh attempt to secure the surrender of a rebel Muslim preacher whose supporters have been locked in a deadly five-week battle with the army in the north, a source involved in the mediation said Tuesday. At the behest of President Ali Abdullah Saleh, a group of leaders of opposition parties and religious and tribal officials will on Wednesday return to the Maran area in northern Saada province, where Hussein Badr Eddin al-Huthi and thousands of his supporters are besieged, the source said. Mediation efforts last month failed to resolve ongoing clashes between Huthi's men and the army, while an MP involved in the aborted talks accused elements within the army of undermining efforts to end the crisis peacefully.
That would be the part of the army that wants to kill him.
The newly-formed group will try to persuade Huthi to turn himself him with the guarantee that he will be judged fairly, the source said. The group includes Huthi's brother Yahya, who is an MP, and Abdul Karim Jadban, a co-founder of Huthi's "Faithful Youth" organisation, formed in 1997 as a breakaway from the Islamist opposition movement Al-Haq. "Fighting continues with deaths and injuries on both sides, preventing the previous mediation group from reaching Maran," a military source in the region said by telephone from the Yemeni capital. Tribal sources also said the clashes continued "at least until Monday". Sanaa will "request that the military command on the ground cease operations to help the new mission to reach Huthi and his supporters" in their stronghold, said the mediation source.
And give him a chance to get away.
The unrest has left about 300 dead on both sides as Huthi continues to resist government pressure. The president has vowed that his forces would stand their ground in the uprising by the self-styled "Emir al-Mumineen" or Prince of Believers. The authorities have offered a 10-million-rial (55,000-dollar) reward for information leading to the capture of Huthi, whom they accuse of seeking to foment sectarian strife. Huthi, a Zaidi preacher, said last week that the conflict was a result of his anti-US stand and accused Saleh of seeking "to please the United States at the expense of his own people."
Posted by: Dan Darling || 07/27/2004 12:17:43 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Yemen denies springing Khallad under pressure from Binny
"Nope. Nope. Never happened."
Yemen yesterday denied a US report that Al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden made contact with a Yemeni official in 1999 to release an Al-Qaeda member. A commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States said in a report released on Friday that Bin Laden had personally intervened with a Yemeni government official in 1999. "No Yemeni official had received a phone call from Osama Bin Laden or any other Al-Qaeda leader at that time, nor earlier or later," an official source said in a statement posted on the Yemeni Defense Ministry's website. The Sept. 11 commission said that Al-Qaeda operative Tawfiq ibn Attash, also known as Khaled ibn Attash, was arrested in early 1999 with another suspect wanted by the Yemeni government. The report said Bin Laden used a threatening tone while speaking with the Yemeni official about the release of the suspect. Bin Attash was set free to be arrested in Karachi, Pakistan, in April 2003 and handed over to US officials. According to the Yemeni official source reports about the phone conversation included "incorrect information that lacked accuracy and objectivity and is far from being true".
"Lies! All lies!"
The Sept. 11 commission did not give the name of the Yemeni official who allegedly received Bin Laden's call, but US officials have said that a top Yemeni military official had relations with some Al-Qaeda operatives in the country and that he was suspected to have links to the bombing of the USS Cole, allegations Yemeni authorities vehemently denied.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 07/27/2004 12:00:00 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Kuwait hunting third al-Qaeda fighter
Kuwaiti security forces are hunting a third fugitive suspected of having links to al Qaeda and a local network enlisting youths to fight U.S.-led forces in Kuwait and Iraq, the Interior Ministry said Monday. Adel Habib Abtaan Ghati, also known as Adel al-Shimmari, born in 1984, is being sought by state security for questioning along with another two suspected al Qaeda supporters identified Saturday by the ministry. All three men are thought to be in Kuwait, which has tightened security after a surge in violence in neighboring Saudi Arabia and Iraq.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 07/27/2004 12:00:00 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


China-Japan-Koreas
Defectors Arrive In South Korea
4:02 pm PST, 27th July 2004
In Seoul, 200 North Koreans have arrived after apparently escaping through China. The group is described as the largest group of defectors ever by South Korean officials. Their arrival was arranged by the South Korean government. A second group is also expected, bringing the total to about 460 people. Government security officials are expected to debrief the arrivals to make sure there are no North Korean spies among them.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 07/27/2004 8:36:14 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


N Koreans in secret mass defection
MORE than 200 North Koreans arrived in South Korea today behind a wall of secrecy as the Government played down the biggest influx yet of defectors from the Stalinist state.
Wouldn't want to offend them by pointing out that nobody likes them, starting with their own people...
Officials said the mass arrival was "sensitive" and refused to discuss details, disclosing only that an Asiana Airlines flight airlifted the North Koreans from a South-East Asian nation. "This is a very unusual situation which shows how sensitive the whole thing is," a spokesman for the foreign ministry said.
"Yasss... They're very sensitive about the fact that all their people want to leave."
Another batch of more than 200 refugees from the same country, bringing the total to about 450, is expected to arrive tomorrow. The North Koreans landed at Seongnam military airport south of Seoul around 9:00 am (0000 GMT). Journalists were excluded from the airport and dozens of riot police manned the main entrance.
That was presumably to keep the SKor students from trying to talk them into going back. The exception to the rule of nobody liking the NKors is SKor students...

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Posted by: tipper || 07/27/2004 5:18:19 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Stalinist State is kind of strong, I prefer post Leninnist Nation.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/27/2004 8:33 Comments || Top||

#2  Shhhhhh! It's supposed to be a secret!
Posted by: Mike || 07/27/2004 10:10 Comments || Top||

#3  I'll keep tabs on KCNA for the obligatory "pond scum and vermin" story which should show up in a couple of days.
Posted by: tu3031 || 07/27/2004 10:36 Comments || Top||

#4  Will the last starving wretch leaving North Korea please turn out the lights...er...blow out the candle...umm...never mind.
Posted by: dreadnought || 07/27/2004 12:40 Comments || Top||

#5  ... Turn off the reactor?
Posted by: Abu Fred || 07/27/2004 13:18 Comments || Top||

#6  That's a thought: it'd be neat if North Korea's nuclear specialists all up and ran off to South Korea. Probably not what happened, but a happy thought...
Posted by: Just John || 07/27/2004 15:33 Comments || Top||

#7  Need to drop an inflatable EasyKredit-Publix near the reactor site.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/27/2004 16:29 Comments || Top||

#8  Ask them if North Korean fare is "Adkins Friendly."
Posted by: Super Hose || 07/27/2004 17:16 Comments || Top||


200 NKors dash for omniverous diet
About 200 North Koreans arrived in the capital Tuesday from an unidentified Asian country, the largest group of defectors to reach South Korea, according to a news report. The defectors arrived on a chartered plane arranged by the South Korean government at an airport outside Seoul, South Korea's Yonhap news agency said. The 200 North Koreans were among 460 defectors that South Korea is trying to bring in from a Southeast Asian country, the report said. The second group was expected to arrive Wednesday. The defectors were expected to undergo one month of questioning and two months of orientation at a government facility, Yonhap said.
"This is called a 'fork', you use it to eat 'food'."
Human rights groups have said that hundreds of North Koreans have fled from North Korea through Shangri-La China to Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia and other Southeast Asian countries. Previous groups of defectors arriving in the South have typically been small, perhaps up to a dozen people. Government officials have not revealed from what country the 460 are arriving, Yonhap said. Last year, the number arriving in the South reached 1,285. It was 1,140 in 2002 and 583 in 2001.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/27/2004 12:07:10 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I notice the numbers are increasing each year. Is there trouble in the socialists paradise?
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 07/27/2004 11:26 Comments || Top||

#2  It must be strange for them to be somewhere where rice is not served by the grain.
Posted by: RWV || 07/27/2004 12:34 Comments || Top||

#3  Who'll pour Kimbo's FRENCH COGNAC once everyone has left?

Who'll call for Kimbo's "ROUNDEYE" HOOKERS when everyone has flown the coop?

Who'll pilot Kimbo's train around mysterious explosions when no one is in town?

Who'll Do it? A Drama in Real Life!
Posted by: BigEd || 07/27/2004 15:33 Comments || Top||

#4  MMMMMMMMMMM....anything.
Posted by: tu3031 || 07/27/2004 15:55 Comments || Top||

#5  LOL tu! Crazed funny.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/27/2004 16:30 Comments || Top||

#6  "This is called a 'fork', you use it to eat 'food'." >>> That actually may be true, they eat with chopsticks... Also they have one of the highest chronic malnutrition rates in the world.
Posted by: Geni || 07/27/2004 19:15 Comments || Top||


Europe
Guantanamo inmates back in France
Four French nationals captured by US troops in Afghanistan have been transferred home from the US military base in Guantanamo Bay. The detainees - among seven Frenchmen seized during the war against the Taleban in late 2001 - arrived at the Evreux air base, west of Paris. President Jacques Chirac said the handover was as a result of "long discussions" with Washington. The men are expected to appear before a French anti-terrorism magistrate. Nearly 600 prisoners from the US "war on terror" are still held at Guantanamo naval base in Cuba.

The four touched down on French soil on Tuesday, only to be taken directly into custody by police working for France's counter-intelligence agency, the DST. "Long and intensive discussions have resulted in the return to France of four nationals detained in Guantanamo," President Chirac told reporters on a visit to Madagascar. They "will of course be handed over to (French) justice authorities," he was quoted by Reuters news agency as saying.

Officials named the four as Mourad Benchellali, Imad Kanouni, Nizar Sassi and Brahim Yadel.

A lawyer for two of the freed detainees expressed concern about his clients. "The last we heard suggested they were in a poor psychological condition," lawyer Jacques Debray said. The BBC's Caroline Wyatt in Paris says the case of the seven French Guantanamo detainees has failed to arouse much public sympathy in the country - although there has been widespread indignation over what many French people see as abuse of prisoners' human rights at the base. While the French authorities have been keen to remove the men from US custody, they are equally keen to interrogate them themselves, our correspondent adds.

The four are expected to appear before France's chief anti-terrorism judge, Jean-Louis Bruguiere, in the coming days. In France terror suspects can be held for questioning for up to four days, after which they must either be released or placed under investigation.

Correspondent Hugh Schofield says that if they are placed under investigation and ordered to be detained until trial, the whole process - judging by past experience - could take years. The French foreign ministry says discussions are continuing with the US authorities "with a view to obtaining as quickly as possible the release of the other [three] French prisoners at Guantanamo". Those remaining in Guantanamo are Ridouane Khalid, Khaled Ben Mustafa and Mustaq Ali Patel, officials said. Before the latest transfers, 594 detainees were being held at Guantanamo.

In another development, the Pentagon has announced that it will begin to review the cases of the remaining detainees this week. The military is preparing hearing rooms inside trailers in the Camp Delta prison at Guantanamo, a Pentagon spokeswoman said. The US military set up the "Combatant Status Review Tribunals" following a Supreme Court ruling enabling inmates to challenge their detention through the US legal system. During the review process detainees:
can testify and request affidavits from witnesses

will not have defence lawyers, but a "personal representative" instead - a military officer who is not bound by rules of confidentiality and can pass on any incriminating evidence provided by the detainees for use in future trials

will not have access to classified information in their files. However, their representative is supposed to give them an unclassified explanation of the case against them, the US navy secretary said.
Pentagon officials reckon that the tribunals are going to get through probably three detainee cases a day, hoping to complete the reviews in two to three months.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 07/27/2004 8:24:48 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yeah, they're about as French as I am.
Posted by: tu3031 || 07/27/2004 20:42 Comments || Top||

#2  Yeah, they're about as French as I am.

You mock the names of the following, #1, as being un-French? Your humor is very racist, insensitive, and intolerant. I will report you immediately to Police De Pensée De Frère.
Officials named the four as Mourad Benchellali, Imad Kanouni, Nizar Sassi and Brahim Yadel.

In France terror suspects can be held for questioning for up to four days, after which they must either be released or placed under investigation...if they are placed under investigation and ordered to be detained until trial, the whole process - judging by past experience - could take years.
Any bets these gentlemen will be released after 4 days?
Posted by: rex || 07/27/2004 22:50 Comments || Top||


Suspect Says March 11 Bombings Teach Europe A Lesson
An Egyptian suspected of being a mastermind of the Madrid train bombings said in secretly recorded conversations that the March 11 attacks will teach a "lesson to Europe" that it must distance itself from the United States, an Italian news agency said Monday. The suspect, Rabei Osman Ahmed, also described the government of Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi, who sent troops to Iraq, as dictatorial and said he hoped Italy would have a "disaster" like the one that hit Spain, according to the ANSA news agency. The conversations were recorded June 5, two days before Osman Ahmed was arrested in Milan, the news agency said. He was speaking to a Palestinian who was picked up with him, Yahia Payumi, and to a third man ANSA identified as an Egyptian. The Milan prosecutor who is conducting the probe, Armando Spataro, could not immediately confirm the report.

"Madrid is a lesson to Europe, which must understand it has to take its distance from the Americans," ANSA quoted Osman Ahmed as saying. "I wish that God eliminates this Berlusconi government because it is a dictatorial government, because it is destroying Islam," he said, according to the report. "Let's hope God gives him a disaster, so his country, too, will have a disaster." Referring to President Bush as a "dog," Osman Ahmed said: "Whoever follows the dog will only have an earthquake, and Madrid has proven it." Earlier this month, Italian daily Corriere della Sera published what it said was a transcript of another secretly recorded conversation in which Osman Ahmed said, "the Madrid attack is my project," and it "cost me a lot of study, it took me 2.5 years." Osman Ahmed was apprehended on an international arrest warrant and Madrid is seeking to extradite him. A hearing on the extradition has been set for July 30.
Posted by: TS(vice girl) || 07/27/2004 5:33:22 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I wonder if this animal realizes how lucky he is that the appeasers control the Spanish government?
Lets hope he has a prison meeting with a convict who was related to one of the victims? Maybe then justice would be served. . . .
Posted by: BigEd || 07/27/2004 18:03 Comments || Top||

#2  It took this vermin 2-1/2 years to plan setting off several bombs at the same time? And he's bragging about that?

No wonder they're losing.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 07/27/2004 18:13 Comments || Top||

#3  EU, you are with the United States of America in the war against radical Islam or against us. Does the EU think it can be safe against attacks by US citizens if is sides with Islam? Spain need not worry about Islam, it should worry about us.
Posted by: FlameBait93268 || 07/27/2004 19:21 Comments || Top||

#4  ..."the Madrid attack is my project," and it "cost me a lot of study, it took me 2.5 years."

Uh, hang on here. 2.5 years ago was February of 2002. We didn't invade Iraq until more than a year later. And yet the Madrid bombings were supposed to be related to Spain's involvement in Iraq. Funny that these fellers have a time machine, and yet don't have sophisticated bombs. Maybe it's part of the "Temporal Cold War" thingy they're always on about on Enterprise.
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 07/27/2004 19:59 Comments || Top||

#5  Re #4: Scotty always "reversed warp thrusters" or "set up a containment field" to solve such sundry issues...
Posted by: borgboy || 07/27/2004 20:02 Comments || Top||

#6  Maybe they bought that beam thingy off the Turkish guy?
Posted by: tu3031 || 07/27/2004 20:15 Comments || Top||


Turkish Airports on Alert
Airports in Turkey have been placed on the second highest terror alert level after officials received intelligence that the al-Qaida terror network may be planning Sept. 11-style attacks, a newspaper reported Tuesday. The daily Milliyet said the warning said Osama bin Ladin's terror network may either hijack a plane to crash it onto a target or detonate an explosive device on board a plane. The report did not say where the attack might take place. The newspaper said the intelligence was received July 16 from an "important source." There were no other details.
"OK, I'll tell you more, just get "that" away from me!"
Officials from the Interior and Transport ministries were not available to comment on the report. Air safety officials held an emergency meeting last week and raised security to "yellow," the second highest, the paper said. More than 60 people were killed in bomb attacks at two Istanbul synagogues, a London-based bank and the British Consulate in November 2003. Officials have charged 69 suspected members of a Turkish al-Qaida cell in the bombings.
They've had time to bring up new players from the minor leagues.
Posted by: Steve || 07/27/2004 10:50:36 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Great White North
Canadian sentenced to Syrian army service
An Ottawa man who has been detained in Syria for the last two years has been acquitted of terrorism charges but now faces 30 months of military service.
Bwahahaha!

Abdullah Almalki, 34, was arrested in his native Syria in May 2002 and was later charged with being a threat to national security over his alleged al Qaeda links. The computer programmer had travelled from Ottawa to the Afghanistan-Pakistan border in the early 1990s and volunteered for a charity that was under the regional direction of Ahmed Said Khadr, the Egyptian-Canadian who enrolled his sons in al Qaeda training camps. He died in Pakistan last year.
Ah, yes, the famous Kanadian Khadr Klan.

The case parallels that of Maher Arar, the Canadian detained in the U.S. and deported to Syria in 2002. A public inquiry is probing the role Canadian officials may have played in that case, and Almalki could testify if he is allowed to return to Canada.
Over the weekend, a Syrian judge cleared the charges against Almalki but said he was now free to serve his compulsory military service, which he avoided until now because he had moved to Canada as a teenager.
Oops! Bet you forgot that one.

But Almalki's family says he is in no shape to serve and wants the Canadian government to help obtain permission for him to return home. According to his brother, Youssef, during his time in jail, Almalki was hung by his hands, beaten and kept in a tiny cell. His experience has left him with post-traumatic stress disorder and an injured back, jaw, hip and feet. "He is in no shape to go to the military; it will kill him," his wife, Khuzaimah Kalifah, told The Globe and Mail via email.
A Foreign Affairs spokesman in Ottawa told the newspaper the department is aware of Almalki's acquittal and is investigating. But in another report, Youssef Almalki said he was told that because his brother is a dual citizen, it is an internal Syrian matter.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 07/27/2004 12:20:33 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If we take the Syrian lead, form our AQ wannabees into an underfunded EOD unit.
Posted by: Super Hose || 07/27/2004 14:07 Comments || Top||

#2  Create a mine-clearing unit called the "Blind Mice"?
Posted by: Pappy || 07/27/2004 14:15 Comments || Top||

#3  But in another report, Youssef Almalki said he was told that because his brother is a dual citizen, it is an internal Syrian matter.
Tsk, tsk...so sad, too bad...that's what happens when one doesn't renounce one's birthplace citizenship. I love it. Serving in the Syrian military, inspite of suffering from a "stress disorder"...oh yes, I'm sure Syria will give this chap KP duty only to accomodate his "malady." Suck olives, moron.
Posted by: rex || 07/27/2004 14:29 Comments || Top||

#4  Dont worry Mrs. Almalki, the Syrian army builds men. Out of the bits left lying around.
Posted by: Grunter || 07/27/2004 15:03 Comments || Top||

#5  "He is in no shape to go to the military; it will kill him!" This story has SNL skit written all over it. I am sure Pvt Abdullah will mkae many new friends in the Army. Maybe one of the officers will 'take him' under his wing and guide him through his 'service.' Maybe he can get out of it by saying he is gay? "Ok Pvt Abdullah you say your gay" As he unzips his pants "Prove it!"
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 07/27/2004 15:54 Comments || Top||

#6  I forgot to add that it would be really funny if Syria started another war with Israel about the time this yahoo is getting ready to leave the service. Well not funny for Israel, but Pvt Abdullah would have to serve for the duration and probably at the front lines. I say this guy needs to serve in Lebenon!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 07/27/2004 16:01 Comments || Top||

#7  rex: that's what happens when one doesn't renounce one's birthplace citizenship.

It's not as easy as you think. Even if you do renounce it formally, some regimes might still ignore that fact. If you were born there, you're a citizen, like it or not.
Posted by: Rafael || 07/27/2004 16:02 Comments || Top||

#8  Actually, Rafael, I think in this instance, it's the uber civilized country, Canada, that is not giving any deep thought to challenging Syria's right to birthright citizenship. Perhaps, just perhaps, there are some subtle go-ahead signals emanating from the Canadian intelligence department(CSIS) and the foreign affairs department on this dual citizen loser...something to the effect of ...he's your problem, not ours; he was born in your country, not ours; finders, keepers; keep him, do what you want, don't call us, we'll call you. Syria can be "helpful" on occasion.
Posted by: rex || 07/27/2004 16:21 Comments || Top||

#9  That's why you'll never see any government contesting dual citizenship rights (besides Germany, but they're even smarter on this issue). It is an extremely convenient thing, as this case shows.
Posted by: Rafael || 07/27/2004 16:27 Comments || Top||

#10  Rafael - Sigh. There you go again...

I'll repeat some of what I said the LAST time you spouted this nonsense:

If you are granted citizenship in a country, by birth or naturalization, then you are a citizen of that country. Period. No other.

If you choose to seek citizenship in another country, and they accept you, you become a naturalized citizen of that new country and your country of origin means nothing -- you have pledged yourself to the new country - and they have reciprocated that pledge by granting you rights - including representation and travel rights as evidenced by the passport. Nobody MADE you emigrate from your previous home - it was your choice. Choice made. Finis.

Can't make such a pledge? Can't reciprocate the generosity of your new home? Then stay wherever you are. Choice made.

End of story.

As for booting someone OUT, the ONE PASSPORT idea makes this idiot-proof:
Follow the law.

If he's YOURS, and that includes naturalized citizens because they are YOURS, then you do whatever the law prescribes.

If he's NOT YOURS, then you do the same thing: apply your laws as he is subject to them while in your country. If deportation is what the law prescribes, then ship his dumb ass home.

It is far too easy to make the case against all of these divided loyalties and the idiotic crap that passes for diplomatic activity on the issue. You can't be a little bit pregnant - either you is - or you isn't, pardon the grammar.
Posted by: .com || 07/27/2004 20:30 Comments || Top||

#11  If you are granted citizenship in a country, by birth or naturalization, then you are a citizen of that country. Period. No other.

Um, no. That's how you would like things to be. The reality is that there are people who hold multiple citizenships, by birh, naturalization or whatever. The country of their other citizenship matters in the case where they choose to travel to that country. They are subject to the laws of that country, regardless of any other citizenships they may hold.

Furthermore, even if a person chooses to reciprocate the generosity of their new home by renouncing their old citizenship, they may still be treated like citizens if they set foot in the old country. It is not easy to renounce a citizenship! So much so, that any immigration lawyer will tell you that the only certain way of avoiding problems in your former country is to simply not go there at all, ever.
Posted by: Rafael || 07/27/2004 21:47 Comments || Top||

#12  Geez. And I thought you'd make the case FOR dual citizenship - which you have never actually done.

Let's hear how it makes ANYTHING better. Go ahead. I'll take another laugher.

Truth is, citizenship in some countries, such as the US, actually involves a pledge of allegiance - and that is where the rub comes in, no?

Your statement:
"That's why you'll never see any government contesting dual citizenship rights (besides Germany, but they're even smarter on this issue). It is an extremely convenient thing, as this case shows."
is certainly bullshit.

Take a look at this State Dept page regards the US position on Dual Nationality - we only accept it when it is a de facto situation. Take special note of the section: Potentially expatriating acts / Loss of citizenship. As you can see, it doesn't allow for subsequent acts of seeking citizenship elsewhere. In other words, if you have dual because of circumstances prior to becoming a US citizen, then it is tolerated. Afterwards, if you wish to remain an American, then you are bound by the Oath of Allegiance - and it does not tolerate conflicting allegiances.

Regardless, tell us, Rafael The Wise, how dual citizenship makes anything better, rather than just create an idiotic atmosphere for stupid decisions and shenanigans.
Posted by: .com || 07/27/2004 22:38 Comments || Top||

#13  "It is generally considered that while dual nationals are in the country of which they are citizens that country has a predominant claim on their allegiance." - from the link which you provided, which sort of negates your statement: "...it does not tolerate conflicting allegiances." (The Oath may not tolerate it, but State certainly seems to)

I'm not saying dual citizenship makes anything better. But if it was not true what I claimed in comment #9, you'd see your government (or mine) rounding up people with multiple citizenships in droves. But they're not doing it. Why? Because it is easier to revoke a citizenship and deport someone who has multiple citizenships.

The problem you're having with this is more philosophical in nature than practical. Many people hold dual citizenships because it is conveniant, and because no one has yet been forced to choose between them (unlike Germany). And besides, it costs money to renounce a citizenship, and (once again) it is not a simple matter.
Posted by: Rafael || 07/27/2004 22:58 Comments || Top||

#14  from the point of view of citizens who retain dual citizenship, I think its because of employment opportunities-that is if you were born in a Westernized country that "tolerates" dual citizenship, then you get naturalized coiizenship in another Western country, you can take jobs in either country with no red tape hassles.

From the point of Western governments, holding dual citizenship is discouraged because of split "loyalties" thingy but OTOH, say in thise instance, Canada can more easily wash its hands of "bad news" naturalized citizens if they have dual citizenship and get caught in questionable circumstances outside Canada. To try to deport anyone these days in Canada or the USA or the UK is an expensive proposition for the gov't, what with tenacious immigration lawyers looking for a court fight, not to mention bad PR for the gov't in power vis-a-vis ethnic minority voters.

Many countries do not allow dual citizenship, but Canada and the USA tolerate it.
Posted by: rex || 07/27/2004 23:04 Comments || Top||

#15  Once given US citizenship it is NOT tolerated for one to declare allegiance to another country, as I said. See the section I pointed to. Plain as day in item b. Hell, they should've revoked his citizenship and sent that asshole Taliban John to Gitmo under section c, IMHO.

If it could be abolished, it would simplify the hell out of things, as I said in #10. There is nothing, nothing whatsoever, to recommend your position. You failed to refute the logic in #10, and I understand why: because there is no superior argument in favor of dual citizenship.
Posted by: .com || 07/27/2004 23:11 Comments || Top||

#16  there is no superior argument in favor of dual citizenship

Again, you're philosophizing. There is one argument in favor: convenience, for the person and the government, as rex pointed out.
Posted by: Rafael || 07/27/2004 23:18 Comments || Top||

#17  So you both failed to read #10 and refute the logic in it. How does that add weight to your opinion? You and Rex shoud BOTH re-read the post and refute it with logic. HOW is it convenient? Is it simply a cost issue? Really? Have the Govts of the US and Kanada fallen so far that the cost is more important than the Rule of Law, which is what #10 relies upon. Pfeh.
Posted by: .com || 07/27/2004 23:26 Comments || Top||

#18  .com said: There is nothing, nothing whatsoever, to recommend your position. You failed to refute the logic in #10, and I understand why: because there is no superior argument in favor of dual citizenship.

Neither Rafael nor I are "arguing" for dual citizenship, .com. I think you may have read something into our comments, especially into Rafael's, that was not there.

Both of us are just saying a)dual citizenship is a fact of life in some Western countries including Canada and the USA and b) here are the reasons why from a citizen's point of view and c) here are the down sides of "tolerating" dual citizenship for our respective governments but d) in this particular case involving the Syrian "bad boy" national, it actually worked to the Canadian gov't's advantage. The Canadian gov't doesn't have to argue too strenuously against Syria re: doing what it wants with the Syrian national.

And .com, unfortunately, re: the Pledge of Allegiance - well, it's not so powerful and binding as you may have thought it was re: immigrants quoting the words at the time they are naturalized.Some "transnationalists" [ie. the Left]don't think the oath as it stands holds any "legal" water. Therefore, some Congressman are trying to codify the Oath into Federal law as we speak:
See H.R. 3191
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR03191:@@@L&summ2=m&
Posted by: rex || 07/27/2004 23:38 Comments || Top||

#19  rex - This debate predates your arrival on RB - and Rafael HAS argued in favor of dual citizenship. I have the quote, if you want it, but not the link (sorry). That's why I began my post with the statement I did.

Regards dual citizenship, indeed, it is tolerated if it is unavoidable. The Oath of Allegiance is taken under oath, and there is weight behind it, though not full stauatory status, as you point out.

But there IS full stauatory power behind the Loss of Citizenship in the document I cited. See the subsection I pointed out and it is very clear that once accepted, no competing allegiance is allowed under law, by word or deed. Read post #10 - it makes it very simple, instead of all the gray-shade crap.

Is he YOURS? Follow the law.

Is he SOMEBODY ELSE'S? Follow the law.

What's complicated about this? Why are you playing the gray game?
Posted by: .com || 07/27/2004 23:47 Comments || Top||

#20  HOW is it convenient?

For the government: if a person has dual citizenships, there is the option to revoke and deport, should the need or desire arise. This can also be used as leverage against a known troublemaker. Why would a government purposely limit its options? Dual citizenship is a tool that can be used, if needed (sometimes for dubious purposes, but who cares?).

For the person: purely economical and in some cases sentimental, so long as there is no conflict or need to decide one way or the other. If Canada ever goes to war against Poland, that will be the moment of truth for me, as I have both citizenships. Until then...smooth sailing.
Posted by: Rafael || 07/27/2004 23:53 Comments || Top||

#21  Okay. Is it okay for me to think that's just stupid as it create more silliness than it solves? Nevermind, just thinking out loud. Cool.
Posted by: .com || 07/27/2004 23:57 Comments || Top||

#22  For the record, yes I have argued in favor for it, for the reason I stated above, and because dual citizenships are so ubiquitous.

.com would love the German system: accept ours, renounce theirs, no gray area. It is debatable which system is better.
Posted by: Rafael || 07/28/2004 0:06 Comments || Top||

#23  Is it okay for me to think that's just stupid as it create more silliness than it solves? Nevermind, just thinking out loud.
Years ago, the advantage of dual citizenship only applied to the individual.

But now in the age of Muslim extremist terrorism and PC thinking, there is a subtle advantage to Western governments to "tolerate" their naturalized citizens to hold dual citizenship. If that dual citizen national is caught doing "evil" things in his birth country, well then the Western gov't can say: "so sad, too bad, we'll try our best thru diplomatic channels to help you, don't call us, we'll call you blah, blah..."Also, dual nationals take a chance when they travel abroad. Whatever passport they use abroad...well that's the country they appeal to for help when in trouble. Obviously, bad boys are not going to use their US passport when cavorting in the ME or Afghanistan with "like minded bad boy brothers"-they'll use their birth country passport - yuck, yuck - so if they get caught in a compromising bad boy situation, then the US/ Cdn/UK gov't... whatever... are not obliged to do somersaults to help that "bad boy" if he was using his birth country's passport...

It's bad for a Western country, actually, for a naturalized citizen to renounce his/her birth citizenship, because if this person turns out to be a "bad boy" the Western gov't can't deport this loser. He's a "keeper."
Posted by: rex || 07/28/2004 0:14 Comments || Top||

#24  Re #23: I assume this is directed to me...

Sigh. You can stop. All this fiddle-dicking around is not going to make dual citizenship appealing, lol! I think it's just a fucking stupid idea, okay? I made a good case against it in #10 and stand by it. I know you're having fun, heh, but I prefer clarity over muddle, thanks, rex! Good tries and kudos to you both, though, for your inventiveness! You'd make excellent lawyers or advertising execs, lol!

P.S. Advertising pays more, but the biz is less stable / secure, heh.
Posted by: .com || 07/28/2004 0:27 Comments || Top||

#25  rex: "...when cavorting in the ME or Afghanistan...they'll use their birth country passport..."

In some cases they have to use their birth country passport, by law. Foreign documents are worthless in such a case (as is the case in Poland).
But then this is exactly another advantage point. Like you said, if you're a terrorist asshole, no one will do somersaults to help you out in the nether regions of this world.
Posted by: Rafael || 07/28/2004 0:30 Comments || Top||

#26  OK I'll stop and am fully prepared to apologize to you .com.... if you want.
Posted by: Rafael || 07/28/2004 0:33 Comments || Top||

#27  Rafael - not necessary. I was never directing my criticisms at you and do not believe your response was more than raw frustration. Believe me - watching the DNC on TV gave me one mother-loving case of heartburn tonight - and it prolly colored some of my responses. I offered an olive branch (I hope you took it that way, anyway) when I said "If..." (in the other thread) you wanted it that way... I'm cool with peace, nothing else req'd, IMHO.

So, if you want, we got peace. Now let's kick the shit out of our idiot politicians who have put us in danger! And try like hell to elect those who will clean up the mess! Lol! The shitheads are amongst us, and we'll all feel the effects somewhere, sometime, I'm afraid.

Peace, Rafael.
Posted by: .com || 07/28/2004 0:42 Comments || Top||

#28  Now let's kick the shit out of our idiot politicians who have put us in danger!

I tried and failed, in our federal election last month. I hope you guys do better than me in November.

Peace.
Posted by: Rafael || 07/28/2004 0:48 Comments || Top||

#29  Postscript to Rafael-hello fellow Polsky Ogorsky!Actually my pater was Austrian, my mater was Polish. But heck, what does nationality mean in that neck of the woods, where borders changed every few years whenever there was a war...
Posted by: rex || 07/28/2004 0:53 Comments || Top||

#30  How true rex, :-) I lived in Austria for a year during the "escape" from communist Poland. Beautiful place. Beautiful memories. Beautiful beer :-)
Posted by: Rafael || 07/28/2004 1:04 Comments || Top||

#31  Beautiful place...

Um, Austria that is, not communist Poland, heh.
Posted by: Rafael || 07/28/2004 1:06 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Holy Land Foundation indicted in Dallas
The Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development, its executive director, its chairman and five other men were named in the 42-count federal indictment unsealed Tuesday. The indictment alleges count or counts of conspiracy, providing support to a foreign terrorist organization, conspiracy to deal in the property of a terrorist and dealing in the property of a specially designated terrorist. The indictment also alleges money laundering, conspiracy to impede an investigation by the IRS and filing false tax returns.
Uh oh, you're in trouble now. IRS don't like that shit.

Attorney General John Ashcroft and senior FBI officials planned a news conference later Tuesday in Washington to discuss details of the indictment.
Among the men charged were Shukri Abu Baker, the foundation's former chief executive, and chairman Ghassan Elashi. Three charges of filing a false tax return applied only to Abu Baker and Elashi. Tim Evans, Elashi's attorney, did not immediately return a telephone call seeking comment Tuesday.
He'll be busy for a while.

On Monday, the foundation filed a complaint with the inspector general of the Justice Department and asked for an investigation because it claimed the FBI fabricated its case.
Yeah, I know, you was framed.

Holy Land, which claims to be the largest U.S. Muslim charity, has been shut down since about $4 million of its assets were frozen by the U.S. government in late 2001. Federal courts have repeatedly rejected Holy Land's appeals to get its assets unfrozen, concluding that the government has sufficient evidence linking the charity to terrorism. The charity has insisted that its money went only for relief to refugees, orphans ,baby ducks and disaster victims. In 2000, it raised about $13 million for what charity officials said were schools and social programs in Palestinian-controlled areas and other mainly Islamic nations.
Islamic social programs usually involve automatic weapons

The indictment charges that Holy Land provided financial aid to the militant group Hamas as far back as 1988. John Boyd, a lawyer for the Holy Land Foundation, said he had not seen the indictment and could not comment in detail. However, he questioned the use of old transactions in the indictment.
"If these are related to transactions in '88 and '89, that is six years before Hamas committed its first terrorist acts and seven years before Hamas was declared a terrorist organization," Boyd said. Israel banned Holy Land from operating within its borders in 1997 and said it funneled money to the families of suicide bombers. Israeli government officials hailed the U.S. move against the group.
Holy Land had close ties to a computer and Internet-hosting company in suburban Dallas that was raided a few days before the terror attacks in September 2001. Agents seized computer hard drives and boxes of documents from the offices of InfoCom Corp. -- directly across the street from Holy Land's offices.
Posted by: Steve || 07/27/2004 2:03:27 PM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  its executive director, its chairman and five other men were named in the 42-count federal indictment unsealed Tuesday
I wonder if these guys were served warrants while they were attending the DNC convention in Boston? LOL.
Posted by: rex || 07/27/2004 16:05 Comments || Top||

#2  LOL, rex! (Hope they don't forget to frisk the Cynthia McKinney entourage and that of Baghdad Jim McDermott.)
These scumbags were operating in my town!
I couldn't be more delighted that they've been nailed, but I suspect they have a jihadi pal or 2 still loose in D/FW, dammit!
Faster please, AG Ashcroft!
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 07/28/2004 3:16 Comments || Top||


The Nature of the Enemy
Michael Ledeen
All of a sudden everybody's asking, "Who are we fighting anyway?" It's an interesting question, but it's not nearly as important as many of the debaters believe. The 9/11 Commission tells us we're fighting Islamists, or Islamist terrorists, and David Brooks has cooed over this, because he likes the notion that we're fighting an ideology. The White House has devoted lots of man-hours to this matter, trying to figure out how we win "the battle of ideas," and the Internet is full of people who argue, variously, that we're fighting "radical Islam," "Saddam's die-hards," "foreign fighters," or even "Islam itself." All of these "Islamic" definitions guide us back to Samuel Huntington's thesis that there is a war — or at least a clash — of civilizations underway. Most share the conviction that we're fighting something that is unusually dangerous because not a traditional enemy, that is to say, a state. It's much more than that, or so they believe.

I wonder. An awful lot of our enemies' ideology comes from us, as several scholars — Bernard Lewis and Amir Taheri, for starters — have stressed. The virulent anti-Semitism at the core of the (Sunni and Shiite) jihadists is right out of the Fuhrer's old playbook, which helps understand why jihad and the revival of anti-Semitism in Europe are running along in tandem. Sure, there's ample xenophobia in Islam, and Bat Yeor's fine work on dhimmitude abundantly documents the Muslim drive to dominate the infidel. But the kind of anti-Semitism — hardly distinguishable from anti-Americanism nowadays — that we find in Middle Eastern gutters has a Western trademark. It started in France in the 19th century, got a pseudoscientific gloss from the Austrians and Germans a generation later, and spread like topsy.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: tipper || 07/27/2004 4:59:24 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If the war is against the states who harbor the terrorists, in addition to being against the terrorists themselves, then it can't be fought as a "law enforcement" problem as Kerry wishes it to be. This is how the GOP takes back the debate from the Dems. The Dems have somehow managed to persuade people that Iraq was a derailment off the main track of the war against Al Qaeda. But if it is part of a strategy of confronting the rogue Muslim states, then the Kerry approach is seen for the wishful thinking that it is.

In any case the rogue states will have to be confronted sooner or later.
Posted by: virginian || 07/27/2004 8:36 Comments || Top||

#2  That's a great freakin' article.
Posted by: Anonymous4021 || 07/27/2004 11:44 Comments || Top||

#3  Interesting take.

The rogue state thingy is still real though. Thats why lately I've been harping on Canada. Who like France, Germany, Russia, Spain, ect, act like they, as has been said today, "don't have a dog in this fight". Until these states understand that a united front against jihad and the states that sponsor that ideal, is required, nothing will change.

I blame the injustices bandied about by the likes of Mike Morph, the piles of dead innocent Iraqies, directly at those states that refused to look the evil thing in the eye and instead play coy. Had those democracies stood up and said "me to" Saddam would have been punked. Chumps wanted a new Jag though.

Yesterday Rafael had an interesting joust relating to this subject and he was, to his credit, turned. The people of those other democracies need to have the same expierence.
Posted by: Lucky || 07/27/2004 12:26 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Iran has broken seals on uranium enrichment centrifuges
EFL
Iran has broken the seals on nuclear equipment monitored by United Nations inspectors and is once again building and testing machines that could make fissile material for nuclear weapons. Tehran's move, disclosed to the Daily Telegraph yesterday by Western sources, breaks a deal with European countries under which Iran suspended "all uranium enrichment activity." It will also exacerbate fears that the regional power is determined to make an atomic bomb within a few years.
A few years? We're lucky if we have that long...
America has in recent weeks renewed its call for Iran to be referred to the U.N. Security Council for possible sanctions. Diplomats said senior officials from the "EU-3'' — Britain, France, and Germany — would try to coax Tehran back to the path of co-operation at a secret meeting in Paris on Thursday. Their chances of success seem slim because Tehran appears to have calculated that America is paralyzed by the presidential election campaign and that Europe is too divided to exert real pressure.
Read: they know Kerry can be bamboozled as easily as the "Tehran three".
Western sources said Iranian officials last month reclaimed equipment for uranium enrichment centrifuges sealed by the International Atomic Energy Agency. The centrifuges separate the fissile isotope U235. In what may be a further escalation, some Western sources said Iran was carrying out its threat to begin producing uranium hexafluoride, the gas fed into the centrifuges, but the claim could not immediately be corroborated.
So it's time for another cycle of (1) empty promises...
Under a deal reached with the EU-3 in October, Iran agreed to come clean about its nuclear program and announced it would suspend "temporarily'' all uranium enrichment as a confidence-building measure.
then (2) brazen repudiation:
Angered by the IAEA's condemnation last month of repeated failures to reveal all about its nuclear program, Hassan Rowhani, the secretary of Iran's Supreme National Security Council, wrote to the EU-3 saying his country would resume the manufacture, assembly, and testing of centrifuges.
"Angered", right. Gotta be careful. Let 'em do just what they want or... they'll do just what they want.
Posted by: someone || 07/27/2004 3:56:11 AM || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Whoops... Duplicate to late last night -- but how did that end up on Page 2?
Posted by: someone || 07/27/2004 4:01 Comments || Top||

#2  If Kerry is elected he will move from a policy of confrontation to a policy of deterrence. He will do nothing and say we can deter Iran with our nukes. Rogue states will continue to metastasize.
Posted by: virginian || 07/27/2004 8:13 Comments || Top||

#3  Thank God, the Israeli's will never allow the Iranians to acquire a weapon. And it won't matter who is President. Surely Iran must know this though? Are they stupid enough to think they can prevent Israel from taking out their facilities? That's an interesting thought.
Posted by: AllahHateMe || 07/27/2004 8:39 Comments || Top||

#4  Why do the EUros even bother? The towelheads will do whatever they want regardless of what anyone else thinks or says. The EU should just give them a couple of bombs. What the hell, its easier on all (/sarcasm)
Posted by: Spot || 07/27/2004 9:49 Comments || Top||

#5  Frankly I've always like broken seals but I expect that's a water mammal thing.

5 4 3 2.... till blown seal joke appears for the fourth time in 6 months.
Posted by: Shamu || 07/27/2004 15:07 Comments || Top||

#6  Since Allah won't let them break the seal on a nice bottle of California wine, breaking seals on something else with a kick is the only outlet they have.
Posted by: BigEd || 07/27/2004 15:55 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Brave Iraqi Insurgents Murder Hospital Director
From BBC News
Unidentified attackers have killed a deputy hospital director in the Iraqi town of Mahmudiya ... The attackers shot Dr Qassem el-Obaidi from a car as he was driving home from work late on Monday, the hospital's director told AP news agency. A health ministry spokesman described the attack as a "terrorist act". ... The hospital director, Dr Daoud al-Tai, said his colleague was killed around 2330 as he left the hospital for home.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 07/27/2004 11:22:14 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Israel-Palestine
Undercover Border Policemen shoot and kill six Al-Aqsa terrorists
Undercover Border Policeman operating in Tulkram yesterday evening shot and killed six Palestinian terrorists, among them the local head of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Bridgade. Palestinian sources said that one of the men killed was an 18-year-old bystander. The Al-Aqsa group, the military wing of Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, vowed to avenge the operation by striking "deep inside Israeli territory."

Security forces received intelligence information that at least five wanted Al-Aqsa members were eating dinner at the Abu-Nidal restaurant in western Tulkarm last night, Yediot Aharonot reported. Palestinian sources said that undercover troops arrived at the restaurant in a van shortly after 8:30 p.m. and opened fire, hitting six Palestinians in the head and injuring at least one other in the leg as he fled.

A gun battle erupted as the Israeli troops attacked the Palestinians, who returned fire. There were no casualties reported to the Israeli soldiers. According to media reports, three local store owners and two children were injured as a result of the gunfire exchange. Two additional terrorists were arrested and other gunmen fled the scene. Two of the gunmen killed were identified as Hani Aweida and Mahdi Tambuz, both "senior" Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades commanders in the city. According to security officials, Tambuz was responsible for numerous terror attacks inside Israel and was in the midst of planning further attacks. The officials said Tambuz received instructions and funds from Hizbullah operatives in Lebanon.

In a related story, IDF troops and Palestinian gunmen exchanged fire in the village of Beit Rima, north of Ramallah, late last night. Palestinians sources said that several people were wounded, but provided no further details, the Jerusalem Post reported.
Posted by: Mark Espinola || 07/27/2004 9:01:36 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ...vowed to avenge the operation by striking "deep inside Israeli territory."

Commence Operation Dire Vengenance MCCCLXV in 4..3..2
Posted by: Dreadnought || 07/27/2004 21:35 Comments || Top||

#2  That's if they can figure out how to climb the fence.
Posted by: tu3031 || 07/27/2004 21:38 Comments || Top||

#3  Undercover Border Policeman operating in Tulkram yesterday evening shot and killed six Palestinian terrorists, among them the local head of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Bridgade.

Excellent work. Can we count on the deaths of yet even more terrorists?
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 07/27/2004 22:28 Comments || Top||

#4  ...said that one of the men killed was an 18-year-old bystander.

Lesson: 18 year old males should refrain from standing in the near vicinity of eight members of Yasser Arafat’s Fatah Movement.
Posted by: Super Hose || 07/27/2004 22:30 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
CENTCOM News Release 27 July
IRAQI CITIZEN TURNS IN WEAPONS TO TASK FORCE DANGER SOLDIERS

TIKRIT, Iraq - An Iraqi citizen turned in several weapon systems to Task Force Danger Soldiers from 1st Battalion, 120th Infantry Regiment at Multi-National Forces base near Tuz on July 26 at about 7:00 a.m. The civilian brought the weapons to Forward Operating Base Bernstein as part of a weapons buy-back program. The weapons included three 60mm mortar tubes, three 60mm mortar base plates, and two .50-caliber anti-aircraft machine guns. The Soldiers secured the cache at an ammunition holding area for destruction.

MARINES SEIZE OVER 200 MORTAR ROUNDS IN AL ANBAR TRUCK SEARCH

FALLUJAH, Iraq - Marines from the 1st Marine Division interdicted a record number of mortar rounds Monday, successfully preventing the transit of lethal weapons that are employed daily in attacks against both Iraqi and Coalition Forces.
Marines of 3rd Assault Amphibian Battalion stopped a KIA pick-up truck laden with bags of grain at a vehicle checkpoint Monday. Upon a thorough search of the vehicle's contents, they discovered 219 60 mm mortar rounds concealed in the bags. This find is significant to the I Marine Expeditionary Force Area of Operations since roughly 40 percent of the indirect fire attacks within the Al Anbar Province are mortar related and are typically lower caliber rounds. Besides recovering the mortar rounds, two men were detained in connection with the incident.

This find - considered to be the single largest cache of 60 mm mortar rounds since I MEF took control of the province in March - is part of an ongoing campaign to disarm Anti Iraqi Forces who stand in the way of a new democratic Iraq. Caches containing a wide variety of weaponry and ammunition are found and recovered daily throughout the country. The diligence of our Marines to continue to search for and safely destroy these arms directly contributes to our success in preventing further attacks against both Iraqi and Coalition Forces.
Posted by: Steve || 07/27/2004 3:40:27 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Forward operating base BERNSTEIN: "SUCH A DEAL HAVE I GOT FOR YOU! YOU WANT THAT I SHOULD BUY YOUR RPGs FOR HOW MUCH? MESHUGGENAH! I'M LOADED WITH RPGs ALREADY! SO BRING IN THE WMD ALREADY...TOP DOLLAR PAID...CASH!"
Posted by: borgboy || 07/27/2004 19:49 Comments || Top||


Africa: Horn
Chained Villagers Burned Alive in Darfur-Monitors
Arab militia burned alive shackled villagers during an attack violating a fragile truce in Sudan's Darfur region, African Union cease-fire monitors said. In a document seen by Reuters on Tuesday, the observers said they had investigated three allegations of cease-fire violations since their deployment on July 11. They said a fact-finding team dispatched to Suleia concluded that the Darfurian village was attacked on July 3 "by militia elements believed to be Janjaweed." The document said the attackers "killed civilians, in some cases by chaining them and burning them alive."
Posted by: TS(vice girl) || 07/27/2004 3:47:30 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  One hit of Janjaweed will make you do some pretty crazy things.
Posted by: Anonymously yours || 07/27/2004 16:17 Comments || Top||

#2  Sounds like sudan is working for another seat the U.N. Comission on Human Rights.

Naturally Koffi won't do a damn thing but allow it to happen and put roadblocks in the way of any serious attempts to stop it. That makes him a murderer in my book.

I dont expect to see this mentioned on CNN/BBC/etc... either.....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/27/2004 16:25 Comments || Top||

#3  Kofi is the janitor of human rights. He will coordinate an appropriate tribunal when the machete arms of the Janjaweed have killed and maimed so many Christians and Animists that they require rotator cuff surgery.
Posted by: Super Hose || 07/27/2004 16:30 Comments || Top||

#4  African Union cease-fire monitors

This must be the minor leagues for guys trying to get into UN Peace Keeping duty
Posted by: cheaderhead || 07/27/2004 16:46 Comments || Top||

#5  another fine example of the worldwide, islamic benevolent society.
Posted by: anymouse || 07/27/2004 17:10 Comments || Top||

#6  According to the document, 308 troops provided by Nigeria and Rwanda were on standby to be airlifted with help from the Netherlands and Britain into Darfur to protect observers.

What's wrong with this statement? (Hint-purpose.)

Posted by: jules 187 || 07/27/2004 17:40 Comments || Top||

#7  Legal question-is there any way to sue the UN for knowing about, having evidence of, and not preventing genocide?
Posted by: jules 187 || 07/27/2004 17:41 Comments || Top||

#8  Jules, you might try the ICC..... (or whatever that international court is....).
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/27/2004 18:07 Comments || Top||

#9  Arabs seem to be cleared at high diplomatic levels to continue their murders...
Posted by: borgboy || 07/27/2004 21:27 Comments || Top||


Lastest on the server...
Since this isn't working well, I'm going to try and take the new server down tomorrow around noon, to replace it with the old server. After I reinstall the OS I'll put the new one back on line.

Wotta disappointment.
Posted by: Fred || 07/27/2004 1:28:03 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  It's not more monkey business from HackerBoy?
Posted by: someone || 07/27/2004 13:56 Comments || Top||

#2  Sounds logical, probably won't work. :>
Posted by: Shipman || 07/27/2004 14:12 Comments || Top||

#3  try this...

Posted by: Yosemite Sam || 07/27/2004 15:09 Comments || Top||

#4  Michael Moore has been schmoozing in Boston, how has he had time to mess with FRED?

He is truly highly skilled --- NOT!
Posted by: BigEd || 07/27/2004 15:35 Comments || Top||

#5  Man that sucketh. Sorry you have to do more work.
I hate pounding on computer problems.
Posted by: FlameBait93268 || 07/27/2004 17:02 Comments || Top||

#6  Osama bin Laden will be captured alive by US forces at about noon.
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 07/27/2004 17:46 Comments || Top||

#7  Sam, I distinctly said BIG hammer, BIG-G-G-G hammer!
Posted by: Steve White || 07/27/2004 18:02 Comments || Top||

#8  Fred,my man,you are trully outstanding
Posted by: raptor || 07/27/2004 20:23 Comments || Top||

#9  If I knew more about ASP I'd help you port this over to PHP on Linux.
Posted by: OldSpook || 07/28/2004 1:48 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Zarqawi follower arrested in Kirkuk
A follower of alleged Al Qaeda leader in Iraq Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi was arrested in the northern oil city of Kirkuk, along with a suspected local kidnapping ring, the US military said on Tuesday.

The suspect was arrested on Monday night, Colonel Lloyd Miles of the 25th Infantry Division told reporters during a press conference at the US military base at Kirkuk's airport.

He provided no further details about the detainee.

Miles also said that troops arrested eight Iraqis suspected of involvement in a recent wave of tit-for-tat kidnappings between Kurds and Arabs.

The ethnic tinderbox of Kirkuk is the scene of frequent violence between Arabs, Kurds and Turkmen.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 07/27/2004 12:22:35 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Work up the chain like we did with Donkey Boy and his sons.
Posted by: Super Hose || 07/27/2004 16:49 Comments || Top||


Caucasus
Kavkaz video shows raid into Ingushetia
A Chechen rebel Web site published rare video footage on Tuesday of what it described as a deadly raid last month led by Russia's most wanted separatist on a Russian arms depot.

The Kavkaz Center site showed a bearded man it identified as Shamil Basayev, the head of an extreme Chechen faction who has battled Russian forces for a decade.

He is the most prominent rebel leader after fugitive president Aslan Maskhadov, who said this month that Basayev was operating outside the separatists' "official structures."

More than 90 people were killed on June 22 when gunmen rampaged through Nazran, the main center of Ingushetia, a region west of Chechnya with a population closely related to Chechens.

The raid -- and the assassination of Chechnya's pro-Moscow president in May -- appear to have emboldened the rebels a month before new presidential elections. In the latest violence, masked gunmen burst into a building housing an elite pro-Moscow force in Chechnya's capital Grozny on Tuesday, killing two men.

The footage on the rebel Web site showed what it described as an episode of the Ingushetia raid it said was led by Basayev.

"I express my gratitude to the leadership of Ingushetia for preserving arms and ammunition for us in good condition," said the man in the film, bearded and looking very much like Basayev.

"We have collected what they had seized from us this year."

The man, in combat gear, was seen issuing orders to gunmen in a large room and demonstrating several pieces of firearms.

He was, however, quite agile in his movements. Basayev had a foot amputated while leading fighters out of Grozny in 2000 when Russia dispatched troops to the region for the second time.

The man said more than 570 rebels had taken part in the Nazran raid, which called into question Moscow's claims that rebels had insufficient forces to launch a major operation.

He said rebels had seized 700 Kalashnikov assault rifles, 80 pistols and a million rounds of ammunition during the raid.
The onslaught revived memories of a separatist attack on Grozny in August 1996, which forced Russia to withdraw from Chechnya after nearly two years of fighting. Basayev played a prominent role in that raid.
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Basayev sez he raided Ingushetia
Comes as a surprise, doesn't it?
A key Chechen separatist commander has claimed responsibility for last month's raids on Russian government targets in Ingushetia. Shamil Basaev claims in a videotape posted on a Chechen separatist website today that "Chechen and Ingush mujahedin" carried out what he called the "joint operation" targeting law enforcement officers. The video shows Basaev dressed in fatigues and walking around what he said was the Interior Ministry warehouse during the attacks. There is no independent confirmation of Basaev's claim. However, a Russian government official said today that the tape could be genuine. Sergei Koryakov, the head of Ingushetia's FSB security service, said "the aired shots could be used as evidence of what happened."
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Afghanistan/South Asia
South African al-Qaeda has a name
The South African man among several suspected al-Qaeda operatives held in a Pakistan raid has been identified as Zubair Ismael.
A second South African arrested has been identified only as a woman named Feroze.
Was she the one with the dynamite girdle?
The Internet news centre South Asian Media Net said on Tuesday Ismael's wife Asia, a Pakistani, was also arrested in the raid, which sparked a 12-hour gunbattle with police in the north-west frontier town of Gujrat.
Asia and Feroze, sounds like a Vegas lounge act.
It is believed the group had been involved in the Afghan war. South Asian Media Net could not provide further details of their identities, but cited sources close to the investigation saying they had been providing logistic support to al-Qaeda cells for executing attacks. One was a communications expert, the sources said.
Good IT jobs are so hard to find.
A Pakistani police officer told the network that the investigation was being handled on a federal level and the group were being interrogated in Lahore. The South Africans were arrested with a Pakistani and his Saudi wife and a Baluchistani couple. A Saudi boy of 13 and other children are also in custody. The adults were allegedly trained in Afghanistan and Iran and were involved in terror activities within Pakistan for three years.
Iran seems to be mentioned a lot more these days.
They'll be in the news even more after the election, assuming the Publicans win...
Posted by: Dan Darling || 07/27/2004 12:16:04 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Could be using one them fake SA passports the Brits have uncovered. Never know!
Posted by: Jack is Back! || 07/27/2004 15:09 Comments || Top||

#2  12-hour gunbattle with police in the north-west frontier town of Gujrat.

And my bet is that no one was hit. Move it along there, Achmed, nuthin' to see here...
Posted by: tu3031 || 07/27/2004 16:16 Comments || Top||


Pakistan holds South Africans, Tanzanian
Pakistani security forces are holding three Africans suspected of being militants after a shootout last week, an official of the Interior Ministry said on Tuesday. Security forces raided a suspected militant hideout in the city of Gujarat, around 175 km (110 miles) southeast of the capital Islamabad, on Friday evening, detaining 13 people. "Two of them are South Africans and the third one is a Tanzanian," said Abdul Raouf Chaudhry, an interior ministry spokesman.
"Say, ya'll ain't from around these here parts, are you?"
But he refused to disclose their identity, saying it could hamper investigations. "They are being interrogated. We do not want to disclose anything prematurely," he said.
"I can say no more!"
Police said three women and five children, including an infant, were among the 13 detainees. Another interior ministry official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the suspects had been trying to flee Pakistan along with their families, using fake travelling papers.
Now there's a shocker
"They had lived in Afghanistan and fought alongside the Taliban," he said, adding the group could be linked to al Qaeda.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 07/27/2004 12:18:41 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Al-Qaeda operations chief in Asia not nabbed
Contrary to reports issued on Monday that the suspected chief of the al-Qaeda operations in Asia had been nabbed, police on Tuesday said it was untrue. Speaking on condition of anonymity, a police officer participating in the operation in the Islamnagar precinct of Pakistan's Gujarat area, told The News that some al-Qaeda suspects had arrested after a shootout, but they did not include the terrorist outfit's chief.
Who is? Hello?
Other sources said that earlier security agencies had received information that he was hiding somewhere in Gujarat. "It was strongly believed that the wanted member of al-Qaeda, who carried millions of rupees on his head, was inside the house and it was for this reason the government wanted to arrest the terrorists alive," the sources were quoted as saying.
I'm sure the reward poster sez "Wanted, Dead or Alive".
They, however, added that the real target could not be captured.
"Why, it's like he knows knows we're coming."
Brigadier Javed Iqbal Cheema, the head of National Crisis Management Cell, was in charge of the operation.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 07/27/2004 12:13:52 PM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Marine offensive in Afghanistan called unprecedented
Top military leaders in Afghanistan are hailing a Marine offensive deep inside southern Afghanistan's Uruzgan Province as the most successful operation here since the 2001 invasion. Tucked away in southern Afghanistan's rugged mountains, the province has provided a sanctuary for Taliban holdouts and their al-Qaida supporters, say officials. But not anymore. The Marine offensive, which began in March and is just now wrapping up, was the first incursion into the area by conventional forces. The Marines are credited with killing more than 100 Taliban and al-Qaida fighters during weeks of running gunbattles in an area completely avoided by conventional U.S. forces until their arrival.
I take that to mean it was a private SF hunting ground until now.
"You're the best this place has ever seen," Army Maj. Gen. Eric Olson, the top field commander in Afghanistan, told a gathering Marines at Kandahar Airfield this weekend. The Marines' offensive, he said, put the Taliban on the run in their own back yard. "Never again can they use that place as a sanctuary," said Olson. "You proved to the world the United States of America is going to take this fight to the most dangerous part of Afghanistan unafraid and absolutely determined." Olson said the Marine offensive also caught the Taliban off guard.
"You rocked him back on his heels. You knocked him on his ass."

"You went places that has never seen an American."

"You went to find him on his turf, on his terms, on his ground and kicked him in the ass. And that surprised him."
Olson said the MEU's performance had also "made an impression on the most senior leaders." Quoting Lt. Gen. David Barno, the overall commander of U.S. efforts in Afghanistan, Olson said, "Never in the history of Operation Enduring Freedom has there been an offensive operation like the one the 22nd MEU conducted. Never have we been this successful. You have made history here."
Another operation you'll never hear about in the "mainstream" press.
Posted by: Steve || 07/27/2004 11:03:08 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I like this Gen Barko alot. Lays it on thick, praises the troops, cuts the bullshit right out. Anyone have info on this Operation itself? Details, first-hand accounts, ect?
Posted by: Charles || 07/27/2004 11:16 Comments || Top||

#2  A la Olson/Barno: And best of all, you trashed the notion that America won't fight back when attacked. The Taliban is getting a "re-education" about America.

Thank you, Marines.
Posted by: jules 187 || 07/27/2004 11:34 Comments || Top||

#3  But won't this squander the goodwill we had with the world community since 9/11?

/Jimmah Cartaa
Posted by: Raj || 07/27/2004 12:13 Comments || Top||

#4  They're going to have to rethink that "graveyard of armies" notion too.
Posted by: BH || 07/27/2004 12:17 Comments || Top||

#5  BH: They're going to have to rethink that "graveyard of armies" notion too.

That's right - it'll have to be reworded "graveyard of the Taliban's armies".
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 07/27/2004 12:26 Comments || Top||

#6  Charles, one of my buddies is in "Two-Two MEU", he said his company alone had sixty confirmed enemy kia's. I'd venture we killed more then the 100 they are saying. If I find out any more unclassified stats I'll pass them on.
Posted by: Jarhead || 07/27/2004 12:40 Comments || Top||

#7  Bumper stickers I've seen recently (both with USMC logos):

When you care enough to send the very best

When it absolutely, positively has to be destroyed overnight

I was never in the service, but, DAMN, those guys make me proud!
Posted by: Xbalanke || 07/27/2004 12:41 Comments || Top||

#8  Jarhead, do you know if they are going to move a PRT or something in behind the offensive or is the area too hard to keep clean?
Posted by: Super Hose || 07/27/2004 14:16 Comments || Top||

#9  They're going to have to rethink that "graveyard of armies" notion too.

Maybe, thus the USMC.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/27/2004 16:26 Comments || Top||

#10  I can't imagine they'd go through the trouble to clean the area up and then not move in with a reconstruction team to follow up and defend what they've accomplished.
Posted by: Damn_Proud_American || 07/27/2004 21:35 Comments || Top||

#11  SH, PRT? Not sure about that acronym other then Physical Readiness Test (Navy style). Is PRT for some sort of or reconstruction effort as DPA mentions? If so, I've not heard anything more then this was going into injun country and laying the smack down on their sorry *sses (AKA Seek and destroy).
Posted by: Jarhead || 07/27/2004 23:14 Comments || Top||


Iraq-Jordan
Explosion Near Fallujah Injures Six
An explosion Tuesday damaged a house outside Fallujah and injured six Iraqis, hospital officials said. The blast hit a home in the village of Niemieyah, south of the city, a stronghold for insurgents battling coalition forces. U.S. Marines spokesman Lt. Col. T.V. Johnson told The Associated Press that no American forces were involved in clashes in or around Fallujah on Tuesday. The U.S. military has conducted seven airstrikes against suspected terror hideouts in Fallujah in recent weeks.
So this blast wasn't our doing, even though AP tries hard to connect non-exsistent dots.
The blast Tuesday injured three women, including two who were in serious condition, two men, three baby ducks and a child, said Dr. Thaer Abdullah of Fallujah General Hospital.
I'll take "Work Accident" for $200, Alex.
Since the U.S. Marines pulled back from Fallujah after besieging the city for three weeks in April, the military has been limited to using long distance strikes against targets there.
Posted by: Steve || 07/27/2004 10:55:19 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Jordanian Hostages' Kin Threaten Violence
Relatives of two Jordanian drivers abducted in Iraq threatened Tuesday to behead the director of the company the hostages work for and to kill all the firm's employees if the director fails to immediately comply with the kidnappers' demands to cease operations in Iraq. Fayez Saad al-Udwan and Ahmed Salama Hassan — who work as drivers for the private Jordanian company Daoud and Partners — were kidnapped Monday by a group calling itself the Mujahedeen Corps in Iraq. The group warned the captives would be killed within 72 hours unless their employer withdrew from Iraq and stopped cooperating with U.S forces. The company provides construction and catering services to the U.S. military in Iraq. Al-Udwan's brother, Omar, said: "We told the firm's executive director, Rami al-Ouweiss, that if he does not comply with the kidnappers' demands today, his company and the lives of his employees will not be spared."
Sounds pretty bloodthirsty to me...
"We will chop off the head of the firm's director if he doesn't heed to our demands to completely cease his operation in Iraq," Hassan's father, Salama, said.
Gee, why is it that the idea that this "kidnapping" may have been staged keeps running through my head?
Both men spoke to reporters at a gathering of male relatives from the two families outside the Amman offices of Daoud and Partners to demand the closure of the company's Iraq operations. Loua'i al-Umeish, one of the company's managers, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview that the company would make an announcement related to its operations in Iraq later in the day, but refused to provide details.
Quitting in 5, 4, 3..
There was no immediate comment from the government about the threats. After the gathering, four policemen confiscated videotape and film from the media, including from an AP photographer. The policemen said they had instructions from the government that the event should not be recorded, then told journalists to leave.
Posted by: Steve || 07/27/2004 8:55:22 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Al-Udwan's brother, Omar, said: "We told the firm's executive director, Rami al-Ouweiss, that if he does not comply with the kidnappers' demands today, his company and the lives of his employees will not be spared." "We will chop off the head of the firm's director if he doesn't heed to our demands to completely cease his operation in Iraq," Hassan's father, Salama, said.

These bastards need a good cooling off in a dungeon someplace.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 07/27/2004 10:50 Comments || Top||

#2  Islam is a religion of peace, which is why the regions most steeped in its traditions are filled with people dedicated to peace and kindness.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/27/2004 10:53 Comments || Top||

#3  They're talking almost as much sense as the moonbats over here.

Hint: behead the people who kidnapped your relatives and are threatening to kill them, not the people
who gave them a job.
Posted by: Brutus || 07/27/2004 10:54 Comments || Top||

#4  Look, they got to behead something. It takes the edge off for five or ten minutes. It's like Muslim Prozac.
Posted by: tu3031 || 07/27/2004 10:58 Comments || Top||

#5 
#3
That's logic. Logic is a Zionist construct, designed to deceive good Muslims into rational acts. It must be resisted...
Posted by: Abu Fred || 07/27/2004 12:04 Comments || Top||

#6  Countdown is finished, cave-in is complete, per CBS radio.
Posted by: Fred || 07/27/2004 13:32 Comments || Top||

#7  If someone made that threat here they would be in jail so fast their head would spin right off.
Is-Lame is a religion of peace, right..
Posted by: FlameBait93268 || 07/27/2004 17:10 Comments || Top||


8 dead in Iraq violence
Insurgents killed eight people in Iraq Monday including a senior Interior Ministry official gunned down near his home, and two Jordanian drivers were the latest foreigners to be seized in a spiraling hostage crisis. The surge in attacks, including two car bombings, marked a fresh security challenge to the interim government ahead of a major political gathering expected this week. The U.S. military said a suicide car bomb exploded outside an American base near the northern city of Mosul, killing an Iraqi woman, her child and an Iraqi guard. Three U.S. soldiers and two Iraqi security staff were wounded. The military said the car was packed with mortar shells, but these did not detonate, lessening the impact.

In Baghdad, gunmen shot Mussab al-Awadi, a top official in charge of tribal affairs, as he left his house, an Interior Ministry source said. Two bodyguards were also killed. Gunmen also opened fire on five women who work as cleaners for U.S. firm Bechtel in the southern city of Basra, killing two and wounding two others, one survivor said. The women were waiting for a bus to take them to work when they were attacked. "I pretended to be dead so they didn't shoot me. I was covered in the blood of my friends," said an emotional Montaha Khalil, who was unhurt.
Rat bastards. They really think the average folks in Iraq will love them for this?
Insurgents have stepped up suicide car bombings, assassinations and kidnappings since a brief lull when the interim government took over from U.S.-led occupiers on June 28. Police said no one was hurt in a separate car bombing in Baghdad, which coincided with several mortar attacks that wounded one person. A bomb also exploded under a car in Tikrit, north of Baghdad, wounding several people, police said.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 07/27/2004 12:00:00 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I don't think it's love they care about now. If ever. They want to cow the Iraqi people into following them. I don't think it's going to happen. They've pissed off too many and as they lose indigeneous support, they'll be destroyed. But it's going to take a while.
Posted by: RMcLeod || 07/27/2004 0:24 Comments || Top||

#2  Insurgents have stepped up suicide car bombings, assassinations and kidnappings since a brief lull when the interim government took over from U.S.-led occupiers on June 28.

Keep on going, guys. And try to do it a little faster, please.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 07/27/2004 0:55 Comments || Top||

#3  Bomb - I may be misreading your comment but are you encouraging the insurgents to do more bombing?
Posted by: AWW || 07/27/2004 10:11 Comments || Top||

#4  .. are you encouraging the insurgents to do more bombing?

Yup. The more they persist in indiscriminate killings of their own countrymen, the sooner they will be devoured by same. A shame that lives have to be lost this way, but it's not like insurgents really give a rat's ass about the population beyond simply controlling them...
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 07/27/2004 10:59 Comments || Top||


Afghanistan/South Asia
Mohammed Afroze joins RJD
Mohammed Afroze, who shot into limelight after being arrested under the Prevention of Terrorism Act on suspicion of being an al-Qaeda operative, has joined the Rashtriya Janata Dal. Maharashtra unit RJD president S K Singh on Monday announced that Afroze had joined the party recently. Afroze told reporters here that he has joined politics as he wished to take up the cause of minority youth, who have been traumatised. "There has been a lot of injustice to me and my friends and I do not want it on others," he said. On his decision to join RJD, Afroze said he had decided to join the party as it was secular and its leader Lalu Prasad Yadav was the only one to raise Godhra issue (reinquiry into the incident) recently. Denying that he had joined Samajwadi Party earlier, he said another reason to join RJD was because Lalu was a 'dashing' leader.
"Dashing! Simply dashing!"
A pilot trained in US and Australia, Afroze was arrested by Mumbai police from his Cheetah camp residence in Trombay in 2001, suspecting him to be an al-Qaeda operative and accused of being part of a group that had allegedly conspired to fly a plane into the British Parliament, similar to the WTC attack. Although the Mumbai police dropped the POTA case against him, Afroze still faces criminal charges under IPC for alleged links with terrorists. What gave more credence to the Mumbai police's allegations against Afroze, was his own statement before a magistrate, where he admitted of having been part of the plot. He later retracted from his admission.
"Nope. Wudn't me. I said it was me, but it wudn't me."
Although a team of Mumbai Police led by the then Commissioner M N Singh went abroad to collect evidence against Afroze, Mumbai Police failed to frame charges under POTA against Afroze.
Posted by: Dan Darling || 07/27/2004 12:00:00 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "There has been a lot of injustice to me and my friends and I do not want it on others," he said.

Yep. Lot's of that "injustice" going around over there. These pricks whine about it more then the North Koreans.
Posted by: tu3031 || 07/27/2004 8:49 Comments || Top||

#2  'Lalu was a ’dashing’ leader' = Che Guevara jones.
Posted by: Raj || 07/27/2004 12:16 Comments || Top||

#3  I remember this jones character too, had a thing about drums.
Posted by: Col Flagg || 07/27/2004 14:17 Comments || Top||



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