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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Jobs blow for sex stars
A PORNO film maker has been banned from recruiting sex stars at a job fair. The two-day event had been open just 90 minutes when embarrassed organisers decided that acting in pornographic movies was not a career route they wished to promote. Sun Power Production Co had been seeking "passionate: porn stars" at the Hong Kong job fair. The company's Tommy Wong told the South China Morning Post newspaper that he hoped to help Hong Kong compete better in the adult film industry that has made big money for producers in Japan and South Korea. "I don't understand why the organisers are so sensitive," Wong said. "We do not violate the law. People should not view us with bias. None of our ads are deceptive. I even mentioned that the actors have to be nude." Job fair organisers called the ad inappropriate, given that the event's target audience was young people, including teenagers. "We do not recommend they start their careers in such industries," organiser Winnie Chan Wai-yan told the newspaper. "They should choose jobs of a better ethical standard."
Posted by: tipper || 07/28/2004 9:29:39 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Arabia
PIA GM in Saudi Arabia suspended
NOT Scrappleface
General-Manager of Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) in Saudi Arabia and Yemen Saleem Nisar has been suspended and a high-level departmental inquiry ordered against him after he was found drunk while trying to sneak into the mausoleum of the Holy Prophet (PBUH). "The PIA management has suspended Saleem Nisar with immediate effect and a high-level departmental inquiry has been ordered against him," said spokesman for the PIA. He said the PIA Station Manager in Saudi Arabia, former Olympian Manager Manzur-ul-Hasan, has been given the additional charge of general manager till further orders.

Prime Minister Chaudhry Shujaat Husain, Minister for Religious Affairs, Ejaz-ul-Haq and other government officials had to face embarrassment when the Saudi Arabia's security officials caught the dead drunk top PIA official while he was trying to sneak into the premises of the Mausoleum of the Prophet (PBUH). According to sources, the Saudi security officials tried to keep the official away when the delegation was arriving to visit the Rauza-tun-Nabi (PBUH) but he continued to make hullabaloo. Later, about 80 Saudi security personnel officially informed the delegation, which also included Pakistan's embassy staffers. Saleem Nisar was offloaded from the plane on the directive of Prime Minister Chaudhry Shujaat Husain.
Posted by: tipper || 07/28/2004 12:38:08 AM || Comments || Link || [12 views] Top|| File under:

#1  found drunk while trying to sneak into the mausoleum of the Holy Prophet

I wonder which part they found more offensive.
Posted by: Rafael || 07/28/2004 0:57 Comments || Top||

#2  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Baba TROLL || 07/28/2004 1:01 Comments || Top||

#3  Lol! Thanx for the Not Scrappleface notation, heh. Making hulabaloo is some pretty serious shit! Shoulda shot his ass on the spot and "offloaded" a casket! Sheesh.

How weird does it get?

And how much weirder does it sound with such Engrish? Lol! Hey, folks, I'll proofread stories for a fair price. Send email to werdsmythe@werdz-r-us.com...
Posted by: .com || 07/28/2004 1:04 Comments || Top||

#4  I'll bet you have the same IP address as our friend Ryan... FOAD twit!
Posted by: .com || 07/28/2004 1:06 Comments || Top||

#5  "SHHHH-hhh! We're gonna (hic) wake 'im up!"
Posted by: mojo || 07/28/2004 1:42 Comments || Top||

#6  Speaking of Arabia....

I have been off line for several days because I have been in the field, in a village with a lousy internet connection. I do not know if was mentioned on RB during the last few days, but Anon4617 and her husband are safely out of the Magic Kingdom. Got an email from her today. She appreciates the concern and support from Rantburgers.
Posted by: Alaska Paul in Fairbanks || 07/28/2004 3:28 Comments || Top||

#7  You shoulda gone to the Starbucks, AP...Starbucks always has a good wi-fi access. Or used a satphone. Or sled dogs.

*grin*

Glad to hear A4617 is ok. Hope she'll choose a better handle now that she's Stateside.
Posted by: Seafarious || 07/28/2004 3:39 Comments || Top||

#8  I do not know if was mentioned on RB during the last few days, but Anon4617 and her husband are safely out of the Magic Kingdom.

Thank you AP, and hurry home, Anon4617.
Posted by: Zenster || 07/28/2004 5:38 Comments || Top||

#9  Excellent news AP. What flavor of connection do you have?
Posted by: Shipman || 07/28/2004 10:54 Comments || Top||

#10  Shipman---I was in Manley Hot Springs. The telepone switch is dated there, so internet connections are poor unless you have a sat hookup. The roadhouse is full of character and characters, a few folks taking shots at the bar at 800 AM. They were communicating at a very low baud rate, heh heh. My daughter in Fbks has DSL. BTW, there are some Iditarod dog teams around there. Susan Butcher used to have a 200 dog kennel at Eureka up the road a ways.
Posted by: Alaska Paul in Fairbanks || 07/28/2004 12:42 Comments || Top||

#11  200 Huskies!
Yikes.... that's about 199 more than enuf.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/28/2004 14:25 Comments || Top||

#12 
Anon4617 and her husband are safely out of the Magic Kingdom
Thank goodness when any woman escapes that mysogynistic hell-hole. Thanks for the info, AP, and please send our congratulations along to her.

You may have said and I missed it - any idea where they intend to land? Here?
Posted by: Anonymous5929 || 07/28/2004 19:10 Comments || Top||

#13  Is not this similar to Bishops raping children in Church?
Posted by: Baba || 07/28/2004 1:01 Comments || Top||


Britain
Kill scientists, says animal rights chief
A top adviser to Britain's two most powerful animal rights protest groups caused outrage last night by claiming that the assassination of scientists working in biomedical research would save millions of animals' lives. To the fury of groups working with animals, Jerry Vlasak, a trauma surgeon and prominent figure in the anti-vivisection movement, told The Observer: 'I think violence is part of the struggle against oppression. If something bad happens to these people [animal researchers], it will discourage others. It is inevitable that violence will be used in the struggle and that it will be effective.' Vlasak, who likens animal experimentation to the Nazis' treatment of the Jews, said he stood by his claim that: 'I don't think you'd have to kill too many [researchers]. I think for five lives, 10 lives, 15 human lives, we could save a million, 2 million, 10 million non-human lives.
Posted by: Super Hose || 07/28/2004 12:00:00 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Geez, talk about reality-challenged. Hey, I can understand some aspects of the PETA people's "feeling", but they never include a justification for homicide. So help us out, cousins, what does UK law say? Given some of the legal "flexibility" we've seen there, wouldn't this fit under some "hate crime" law or similar?

Most such unambiguous calls for violence are prohibited somehow or someway - it would be interesting to see it applied to the loonies for a change.
Posted by: .com || 07/28/2004 0:34 Comments || Top||

#2  How on earth can a trauma surgeon say this kind of nonsense?

If he were an American, I'd lead a charge to have his medical license censured.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/28/2004 0:37 Comments || Top||

#3  "Kill all the politicians and everybody is happy.

Kill all the engineers and everybody dies."

- Buckminster Fuller -
Posted by: Zenster || 07/28/2004 3:56 Comments || Top||

#4  Give the man a bigger microphone. He does more damage to his cause each time he opens his yap than any possible conservative speaker could do.

Zen, did you see the excerpt from the State Department Press Driefing on the MEK protected status? Evidently, "protected" is a Geneva term that doesn't imply "pardonned" for their terrorist activity.
Posted by: Super Hose || 07/28/2004 4:04 Comments || Top||

#5  #4 Zen, did you see the excerpt from the State Department Press Driefing on the MEK protected status? Evidently, "protected" is a Geneva term that doesn't imply "pardonned" for their terrorist activity.


"The MEK continues to be a designated foreign terrorist organization," he said. "We will continue to treat individuals who can be determined to have been involved in terrorist incidents with the MEK consistent with the laws that apply."

Ereli noted that each of the 3,800 militia members were now being vetted to determine if they had been involved in terrorist incidents and those implicated in attacks would be dealt with under applicable laws.


Very strange, SH, very strange. The recruiting light is on ...
Posted by: Zenster || 07/28/2004 5:34 Comments || Top||

#6  So, Dr. Vlasak, what will your response be when a prominent research scientist states that targeted assassinations against animal rights activists is the only way to keep science moving forward?

Shock? Outrage? Spluttering demands to cease personal attacks? Get Hillary to decry The Politics of Personal Destruction?

Kind of like jihadis. Happy to be shooting at folks. Always surprised to be shot at. WhadIdo?
Posted by: dreadnought || 07/28/2004 14:15 Comments || Top||

#7  I'm not surprised by this. I'm a small-scale occasional breeder of showdogs and we've been under dirty tricks attacks and stealth legislation launches from these guys for years. I've been told to my face that my 5 dogs here, who are loved members of the family, lounge on the couch and have a 1.5 acre fenced property to run on, would be better of dead on the highway than subject to my cruel oppression of them.

These guys are also allied with the Earth Liberation Front, which has already committed serious arson and endangered logger lives deliberately.

Sometimes I think they, like the Islamacists, would be happy destroying western civilization ... they see no value in it or in human lives.
Posted by: rkb || 07/28/2004 16:15 Comments || Top||

#8  RKB,

One of my biggest strikes against Islam is that they hate dogs.

But to your final point, it's not that they don't see the value. They love the fruits of Western Civ. They just hate the fact that you and I get to make our own decisions about how we live our lives. That is the most unforgivable sin of all.
Posted by: Dreadnought || 07/28/2004 20:55 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Moore took Aussie clips for hit film
AUSTRALIAN artist and filmmaker George Gittoes has objected to American Michael Moore's use of some of his work a controversial movie. Mr Gittoes said today Mr Moore had incorporated about 17 selections from his own documentary film Soundtrack to War into Fahrenheit 9/11. They depicted American soldiers and their music in Iraq. "I was concerned of course for my soldiers because their interviews were taken out of context," Mr Gittoes said on Channel 9. "There are about 17 scenes from my documentary in his film. I wouldn't go so far as to say he lifted (them).
Gee, now what is the word for that, oh yeah, plagiarism.
"Michael got access to my stuff and assumed that I would be happy for it to be in 9/11. I would actually have been quite happy for it not to be in 9/11." Fahrenheit 9/11 is highly critical of the Bush administration and its conduct of the war on terror and the Iraq conflict. Mr Gittoes said he had decided to let the matter ride, but would prefer people see his film. "Mine's a better film. My film's balanced. I don't think there's a lot of balance in 9/11."

Mr Gittoes said he had some contact with the company, Westside Productions, associated with Michael Moore, but had no idea his work was in Fahrenheit 9/11 until it was screened at the Cannes film festival. "When I finally discussed it face to face with Michael, I realised that no-one wants to be a spoiler. He's an artist and that's how he makes his work. "He doesn't go out to Iraq like I do and dodge bullets. He makes it from mainly archival footage and the stuff that other people shoot."
Ah, light dawns, I wonder what the raw footage MM used would reveal about how he twisted it to fit his agenda?

Mr Gittoes said Soundtrack to War explained the role of music in the lives of the young American soldiers in Iraq. It includes soldiers performing their own rap, gospel and rock music. "The work of a soldier is hard and this new generation of soldiers are better educated and more articulate," he said. "In my film they are creative. I chose to work with soldier artists, musicians who are rappers, they are gospel singers and rock and rollers and show how they are creating music from their experiences. "The music is just absolutely important. These soldiers said it was more important than food. It gives them a world to get into, a world to escape from."
Posted by: Capt America || 07/28/2004 10:36:35 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Death Match?
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 07/28/2004 11:12 Comments || Top||

#2  Some enterprising lawyer (I know, we all hate lawyers, BUT...) should track down all of the folks who appeared, or whose work appeared, in this trash movie w/o permission and sue Jabba's butt off.
Posted by: PBMcL || 07/28/2004 12:07 Comments || Top||

#3  John Edwards could do it after Nov. 2
Posted by: Anonymous5244 || 07/28/2004 13:59 Comments || Top||

#4  "I was concerned of course for my soldiers because their interviews were taken out of context,"

Enough said.

#2 I would love to see some lawyer deflate Moore's movie profit.

There's nothing quite like the sweet smell of bacon slow cooking on the stove.
Posted by: Anonymously yours || 07/28/2004 17:31 Comments || Top||


Antiwar blogger "Atrios" unmasked
At the JustOneMinute blog. EFL.
Who Is Duncan Black?
Who-dat?
I'm talking about the Duncan B. Black formerly known as Atrios.
Given his enthusiasm for the Democrats, shouldn't he be calling himself "Duncan Heinz-Kerry?"
I can't say I care, but...It turns out that Mr. Black works at Media Matters, the new David Brock media watchdog group, which is kind of interesting - he is doing paid media commentary on one site, and a lot of anonymous media criticism on the other... and I'm still not that concerned.
Moonbats have no feathers/but still flock together.
Yes, there is the potential for a self-serving echo-chamber effect, but what else is new in the wild, wild blogosphere. Maybe I would care if I could take the Brock group seriously.
Note also that Media Matters is funded by George Soros. Ready, all together now, one . . . two . . . three . . . sing!
It's a small world after all . . . it's a small world after all . . . . . . .


Posted by: Mike || 07/28/2004 8:49:53 AM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  LOL! Nothing wrong with that of course. RB is funded by shadowy types as well.... who is the Fred? So many Steves..... curious.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/28/2004 10:57 Comments || Top||

#2  Come on in boys the waters fine. Just remember this isn’t a government outreach rant. No you will have to sink or swim on your ranting ability. Is Enron or Haliburton funding Rantburg? Or did the evil Carlyle group underwrite the project? Lets start the rumors now!
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 07/28/2004 11:18 Comments || Top||

#3  Buhahah....bubhahaha....BUHAHAHAHAHHA!
Posted by: Secret Master || 07/28/2004 11:29 Comments || Top||

#4  That reminds me, Fred, Zuercher Kantonalbank called this morning. They corrected the problem with the last transfer of funds, there was an error on the Tel Aviv end and they say................hey, is this thing on?
Posted by: Steve || 07/28/2004 11:32 Comments || Top||

#5  Zuercher Kantonalbank?!?!? LOL! I always use Hawala. Faster service and no paper trail.
Posted by: Rafael || 07/28/2004 11:47 Comments || Top||

#6  That explains it... it's Fred (the lizard master) P.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/28/2004 11:47 Comments || Top||

#7  I am planning on funding Rantburg with my windfall from the Nigerian oil deal I was just offered.
Posted by: Dragon Fly || 07/28/2004 11:57 Comments || Top||

#8  I'm coming clean, My last name is Strike, Lucky Strike, filterless cigs my game. Children my aim.
Posted by: Lucky || 07/28/2004 12:08 Comments || Top||

#9  So Assh...er, Atrios is Duncan Black. This revelation doesn't really change anything; he's still an asshat.

My last name is Strike, Lucky Strike, filterless cigs my game.

My dad used to smoke those. On the bottom of the packs was printed, "L.S./M.F.T."
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 07/28/2004 13:33 Comments || Top||

#10  "L.S./M.F.T." - my father translated that as 'Loose Sweaters Mean Flabby Tits'.
Posted by: Raj || 07/28/2004 13:50 Comments || Top||

#11  Raj I am begining to think there maybe something to this genetics+rearing thing.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/28/2004 14:28 Comments || Top||

#12  Now, if we could only unmask the elusive muck4doo. I mean,
now just want no who muckdoo is?
Posted by: Crikey || 07/28/2004 16:59 Comments || Top||

#13  My guess: Mucky--excuse me, I mean "mucky"--darned capital letters sneaking in like that!--is either someone we've never heard of, or he's some famous person's secret identity:

Saaayyyy . . . ever notice that you never see muck4doo and [insert name of celebrity] in the same place at the same time?
Posted by: Mike || 07/28/2004 18:03 Comments || Top||

#14  I've studies the M4D phenon since it's birth... in no particular order....

Frank G, Frank J, Steve, Steve W, Watcher. And prehaps a PeeeDeee written script. But there are still many candidates... raj perhaps, the Hose?

If I could get 'em all in a sealed room with a quart of everclear....
Posted by: Shipman || 07/28/2004 18:16 Comments || Top||

#15  #10, or - Let's Screw/My Fingers' Tired
Posted by: Bodyguard || 07/28/2004 19:02 Comments || Top||

#16  The question isn't who muck4doo is. It's what he is. Perhaps he's something so alien, muck's species is to us lizardoids as the lizardoids are to the humans.

Or maybe... immense intelligence, masked by incomprehensible mangling of the language... maybe he's George W. Bush?
Posted by: Phil Fraering || 07/28/2004 20:44 Comments || Top||

#17  muck4doo is everyone, and everyone is muck4doo.
Posted by: Rafael || 07/28/2004 22:38 Comments || Top||

#18  Phil - I think you're on to something there.
Posted by: Bulldog || 07/29/2004 9:03 Comments || Top||


BOSTON TRAPPER
Tim Blair sez;
"I'm heading into town now to set a trap for Michael Moore. I can't reveal too much, but it involves a long piece of string, an empty cardboard box (extra large), a stick, and a cheeseburger."
Whatever could he mean?

Posted by: tipper || 07/28/2004 12:45:48 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I smell a Mooronic rat
Posted by: Capt America || 07/28/2004 11:00 Comments || Top||

#2  I'd use a WhataBurger but I don't think they allowed in Ma. Nope... nothing north of the MD 20.20 line. Altho they have locations in Mexico. Nicely done web site too.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/28/2004 11:40 Comments || Top||

#3  I thought Bill O'Reilly did a pretty good job last night of getting Lumpy to show his true colors. The only thing he wanted to talk about was "Bush lied". Even with all the evidence to the contrary that's all he would say. He said he would have prevented Hitler from ever comming to power (didn't say how) and after the World Trade Center attack would have gone after Binny where he was, not after the Taliban. Where did he think Binny was? He didn't say. He is seriously factually challenged.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 07/28/2004 11:53 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Democrat's Biggest Money Man Has Mob Connections
As Sens. John Kerry and John Edwards arrived in Boston today for the Democratic National Convention, so did the California man who is their single biggest contributor. He is Stephen Bing, a wealthy film producer who, with little fanfare, has managed to steer a total of more than $16 million of his money to Democratic candidates and the supposedly independent groups that support them. "To most of the people who track money and politics, they're like, who the hell is Steve Bing?" said Chuck Lewis, founder of the Center for Public Integrity, a nonprofit, nonpartisan watchdog organization. Bing is perhaps best known for sparking a tabloid frenzy when he publicly expressed doubt that he was the father of actress Elizabeth Hurley's baby. (A paternity test proved he was indeed the father.)
"The man who doinked Elizabeth Hurley,
He was the bravest of them allllll!"
He repeatedly has refused to say why he is funneling millions of dollars to the Democrats. Lewis thinks it is cause for concern. "We can identify who the big donors are, but how much do we really know about any of them?" he said.
We know the Noo Yawk Times and WaPo aren't going to chase them down...
In fact, Democratic Party officials said they knew nothing about the man who law enforcement officials tell ABC News is Bing's friend and business partner — Dominic Montemarano, a New York Mafia figure currently in federal prison on racketeering charges.
Watch for Kerry to begin his term granting pardons instead of waiting till the end, like Clinton.
Montemarano has a long criminal record and is known to organized crime investigators by his street name, Donnie Shacks.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 07/28/2004 7:56:05 PM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Kerry can be bought, but he can't be bought cheap.

Steve Bing bio
Posted by: ed || 07/28/2004 22:03 Comments || Top||


Kerry wants this failing healthcare system for America
Canada's doctors and nurses have urged the country's political leaders to embark on a comprehensive plan to finally shorten the lengthy wait times that are dragging down the quality of medicare...The premiers are expected to demand billions more in federal money with no strings attached. The doctors and nurses, while in favour of more funding, also want to ensure that governments focus on improved, speedier access to a range of health-care services -- from general physicians, to specialist care, to high-tech diagnostic imaging and surgery.

On Tuesday, the doctors and nurses released a discussion paper -- entitled The Taming of the Queue -- which analyses the wait-times problem. Part of the problem, said the report, is that no one has a solid handle on how long patients are waiting in some parts of the Canadian health system. The report proposed a 10-point plan to remedy the problem. Among the suggestions: set benchmarks for maximum wait times; fix the shortage of health-care workers; improve public reporting on how long patients are waiting for treatment; and allow patients to get treatment from another province or country if their own province isn't providing timely care. The CMA and CNA also unveiled a recently conducted poll of health-care workers that showed physicians and nurses are very concerned about how patients are suffering -- and, in some instances, dying -- because of unreasonably long waits for health services.
Question: How do you "fix" shortage of doctors in a socialized medical system when good doctors move to the USA or take early retirement and smart high school students don't want to go into medicine because of gov't controlled work environment?? Answer: fast track credentialing of poorly trained Third World doctors.

Question: What good is it to allow people to go to other provinces or countries[states/USA if Kerry wins]for timely care if everyone is under the same system and is in the same boat?

Answer: Maybe there's life on other planets that have not been ruined by socialists and liberals and where decent free choice health care systems exist and where personal injury lawyers are forbidden access...

For other information relating to socialized medicine, check out Fraser Institute's "health" link
http://www.fraserinstitute.ca/
Also, use search field of Free Dominion forum with key words "health" or "medicine" or "medicare" to get article links and feedback from Candians.
http://www.freedominion.ca/recent.php
Also, Canada does not have the 8-12 Million illegal alien problem that the USA has. If Kerry/Edwards offered universal health care in the USA, it would be a bigger magnet to Hispanics south of the border than free education and welfare, and then in a few short years our health system would resemble Canada's and Mexico's - crap.Also, consider that Canada has the system of loser pays all for lawsuit and it has limits on personal injury awards-I've heard none of those controls being chirped by Kerry or Hilary in their moonbat cheerleading of universal health care-so we'd have mediocre health care and it would be very costly on top of it.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040225-112041-3958r.htm
Posted by: rex || 07/28/2004 2:38:26 PM || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Mexicans already get free health care in the US. It's called the emergency room.

I propose the Universal Free Corvette Plan. I know it would do much to boost my well being.
Posted by: ed || 07/28/2004 21:10 Comments || Top||

#2  Ed, that's really selfish. I have 3 and a half kids and prefere SUV's with 4 wheel drive, but I don't really need the offroad package. You need to think of all the people if you have hope that you plan will receive broadbased support.
Posted by: Super Hose || 07/29/2004 1:20 Comments || Top||


What They Don't Want You To See - Kerry Tours NASA WIth John Glenn
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE JULY 27, 2004 16:33:25 ET XXXXX

DEMS CLAIM NASA LEAKED PHOTOS TO SMEAR
Kerry campaign manager Mary Beth Cahill claims 'dirty tricks' by NASA after it released 'surprise' photographs showing the Dem presidential hopeful dressed in a space suit crawling through a rocket hatch.
We want everybody to remember Dukakis' tank ride by reminding them of Dukakis' tank ride.
Wasn't Kerry Dukakis' loo-tenant governor?
Cahill, asked by FOXNEWS whether it was a dirty trick, said: 'Well, what do you think?' No photos were supposed to be taken, she said.

Begin Transcript:
HUME: i must ask you about this photograph that suddenly turned up and fell in our laps last night nobody thought it was come. nobody had reported on the event which led to-t but there he was, the senator, on all fours in this very peculiar outfit, which i guess nasa had given him. how did that come about?

CAHILL: well, yesterday senator john glenn, obviously he was an astronaut in his previous life sexrvings senator carr took a tour of a bio facility at nasa. it was just the two of them, and the NASA staff, and all of a sudden this is a leaked photo.
Geez, a presidential candidate tours NASA poses for photos, and they get out. Fancy that. How odd?

HUME: it was leaked?

CAHILL: yes.

HUME: it was made by NASA, right?

CAHILL: yes, it was.

HUME: so the campaign had no idea there would be any photographs.
Can the Kerry campaign be this stupid? Quick, folks! They won't take our offer for the Brooklyn Bridge, but Grant's Tomb has possibilities. . .

CAHILL: none.

HUME: when it was agreed he would put on his the costume?

CAHILL: there was no press there. there was -- nothing. all of the sudden these photographs are out.
Well, it was a "clean room", and Kerry has been known to shoot a gun and get shot by his own riccochet. Very messy. Gotta be careful.

HUME: do you smell a dirty trick here? CAHILL: well, what do you think?

HUME: that NASA is not a particularly political organization.

CAHILL: this was a pledge i want tour, obviously that, senator glenn and senator kerry were taking at cape canaveral, and all of the sudden these photographs appeared, and, you know, take it as you may. brit: well, is there any concern that this photo might prove as embarrassing as the fabled tank photo did in 1988?



CAHILL: you know, i think probably nasa will release the photograph of senator glenn, former astronaut, in the same —

HUME: in fact, there is a shot with a bunch of them in these outfits. he is not running, of course.

CAHILL: and the thing is this is a legitimate tour of a nasa facility, and this photograph appeared out of nowhere. we were surprised. we're not surprised now.

HUME: you don't have anyone in mind? do you think --

CAHILL: i don't.
I just want to get the conspiracy fetishists in the left wing jawing about that photographer getting payoffs from the Bush campaign.

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Filed By Matt Drudge
Posted by: BigEd || 07/28/2004 1:39:12 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  ...senator john glenn, obviously he was an astronaut in his previous life sexrvings senator carr...

Say what? Did mucky type up this transcript?

I don't get this. Yeah, he looks dorky. Ha ha. Let's all have a good laugh at sperm-boy. But it's not like he was caught in bed with a dead transsexual hooker or anything. I would think this photo was pretty low grade political ore. Indignation over its "leak" is going to look worse than the photo.
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 07/28/2004 14:07 Comments || Top||

#2  Yes, Angie Schultz! MY POINT EXACTLY!
Posted by: BigEd || 07/28/2004 14:14 Comments || Top||

#3  Yup, the more he complains, the worse he looks. Anybody with common sense would have held up his own photo, commented on how dorky he looked and that if he had gotten these photos back from the drugstore, he would have ripped them up. Voters would have laughed along with him and said; "Yeah, I'd do the same".
Not our Johnny, no laughing at himself, it's just not in him.
Posted by: Steve || 07/28/2004 14:19 Comments || Top||

#4  I still like BH's caption.
Mr. Ed goes to the moon.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/28/2004 14:33 Comments || Top||

#5  ".... crawling through a rocket hatch"

And nobody there to help out with a match??
Posted by: True German Ally || 07/28/2004 14:50 Comments || Top||

#6  It occurs to me there was an ulterior motive for this NASA trip. Apparently some of those missing down the pants Sandy Berger documents are suspected of being sent to one of Saturn's moons, for example, MIMAS.

(NASA)
You see how blurry this photo is. Nothing can be seen except a large crater. No small detail. John Glenn & John Kerry are using their influence to be sure nothing is found.

HOW's THAT FOR A CRAZY CONSPIRACY THOERY?

Posted by: BigEd || 07/28/2004 15:04 Comments || Top||

#7  I...am...not...a...dork.
Really, I'm not. Al Gore's a dork, but not me.
Posted by: John Fn Kerry || 07/28/2004 15:11 Comments || Top||

#8  I thought Kerry had just finished doing an in situ colonoscopy on Michael Moore.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/28/2004 15:14 Comments || Top||

#9  Actually, Big Ed, Berger was smuggling out the plans for the "moon" whose picture you've included. Think about it -- Berger's small, round, and speaks in high, squeaking tones.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/28/2004 15:19 Comments || Top||

#10  Uh oh...
- Obi-Wan Kenobi
Posted by: .com || 07/28/2004 15:26 Comments || Top||

#11  Is that a pic of a moon or an proto-planetary breast?
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 07/28/2004 16:13 Comments || Top||

#12  if pictures were not supposed to be taken then why does skerry look like he is posing?
Posted by: Dan || 07/28/2004 16:24 Comments || Top||

#13  Brecause he is always posing.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/28/2004 18:21 Comments || Top||

#14  Ithink it's a COS. NASA was trying to get publicity for it's self and well NASA is mostly Nerds and Geeks. Most Nerds and Geeks don't see a problem with the "cool" pictures. The Dems need to STFU.
Posted by: FlameBait93268 || 07/28/2004 18:50 Comments || Top||

#15  Allah in the house has a pretty good photoshop of our hero Kerry and some of his new pals.....

Check it out...
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/28/2004 19:08 Comments || Top||

#16  Why are those Democratic senators wearing burkhas???
Posted by: Confused || 07/28/2004 19:38 Comments || Top||

#17  CF - Accurate

The teletubbies needed a blue one anyway.
Posted by: BigEd || 07/28/2004 19:39 Comments || Top||

#18  lol! ima like ketchup botle on him head.
Posted by: muck4doo || 07/28/2004 19:42 Comments || Top||

#19  Strange that they're complaining about Kerry getting his picture taken. After all, isn't he the guy that bought a camera so he could make lots of 'home movies' of himself in Vietnam?
Posted by: GK || 07/28/2004 22:32 Comments || Top||

#20  It's hard to protest the existence of photos that you pose for. They don't look that bad. I'm sure he will be wrestling crockadiles next week. His X-game fest is rather silly.
Posted by: Super Hose || 07/29/2004 1:27 Comments || Top||

#21  They don't look that bad
Say what? You want bad,SH, I'll give you bad.

http://www.time.com/time/election2004/photoessay/gatefold/7.html
Posted by: rex || 07/29/2004 2:21 Comments || Top||

#22  rex - Just tried your link and the page is full of little red x's... It might be a temporary problem with Time's server, but I doubt it. I'd wager the image was a bit too "good", so a favor was called in and now it's gone.
Posted by: .com || 07/29/2004 2:52 Comments || Top||

#23  Weird. I just tried the link now and it worked for me. Perhaps just paste the link and try it again. It's there and it's BAD...
Posted by: rex || 07/29/2004 3:18 Comments || Top||


Lileks versus "Regis Bedspring"
Today's Bleat. Read it all--this is just a teaser.
While making dinner, I listened to Hugh broadcasting from the Dem convention, he was interviewing Regis Le Sommier, the American bureau chief for Paris Match, and a man whose name appears to mean King Bedspring. I don't know if King Bedspring knew how he was being played; I don't think so. Mr. Hewitt's objective was simple: explore and amplify French support for John Kerry. It was like a cat playing with a mouse he intended to eat, and the mouse thought they were having dancing lessons. Amusing. . . .

Regis left but promised to come back at the top of the next hour. I called the family to dinner, served everyone tacos, walked the dog and had the 6 PM cigar. Googled Regis. Ah, of course. I remember him. Go read; I'll wait.

Regis returned. More of the same. The subject of American anti-French sentiment came up; he was surprised to hear about it, didn't think there was much of it. Americans are shunning French wines? He had never heard about this. No, no, he doubted it was true. Anyway, any assertions that Chirac was unduly tied to Saddam were baseless, and besides, America armed Saddam. . . .

If I understood the pith of his gist: Anti-Americanism was understandable, given that George Boosh was bent on ruining the world (pauvre Irakis, deprived of pere Saddam). Anti-French sentiment - if such a curious thing existed — would be an irrational response to legitimate criticism. You Ameericans are so - what's your word? - chauvinistic.

That's what I inferred, anyway. I got out the super-secret studio hotline number. I had one objective: get this guy to admit that the relationship betweeen France and Saddam was stronger, and much more current and lucrative, then the relationship between the US and Iraq. Then we could move on to really hard problems, such as whether water flows uphill or down. . . .
Go read the rest of it. NOW.
Posted by: Mike || 07/28/2004 1:09:46 PM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  No more french fries for me, mon cherie.
Posted by: anymouse || 07/28/2004 15:16 Comments || Top||

#2  OMG, M. Bedsprings must be the simply the most arrogant, clueless d**kweed in the news business these days, if not the entire planet. Sheesh...
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 07/28/2004 15:25 Comments || Top||

#3  Sgt.Mom -- he's French. Being an arrogant, clueless dickweed is pretty much the default for the French.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/28/2004 15:36 Comments || Top||

#4  Well, yes, but this goes so far above and beyond the minimum requirements; as an arrogant, clueless d**kweed, M. Bedsprings is to the ordinary Frenchman as Mt. Everest is to the Berkshires.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 07/28/2004 15:50 Comments || Top||


Jesse rips Hub on race: Furor over 'trash talking' rev
EFL.Can you shakedown a city? Well Jesse will try.
Mayor Thomas M. Menino and the city's black leaders are spitting mad over racial potshots the Rev. Jesse Jackson took at the city of Boston yesterday. ``Jesse's talking trash and blowing smoke. This is Jesse's showboat,'' said the Rev. Eugene Rivers, chair of the National Ten Point Coalition and one of the city's most respected leaders on racial issues.
Pretty bad, Jess. Even your own people are starting to see through the bullshit.
Jackson stoked the Hub's racial fires yesterday as he headed into the FleetCenter on the second day of the Democratic National Convention, saying Boston has yet to live up to its promise as a center of racial justice and equal opportunity for minorities.
Yeah, Barry Bonds told him. He's here about as often as Jesse. Which is like...never.
``There is such a class gap between the haves and the have-nots,'' Jackson said. ``If you look at inner-city Boston and the suburbs, it's like there is a doughnut and then there's the doughnut hole.''
See Jesse's been here a whole 3 days and already has it all figured out.
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Posted by: tu3031 || 07/28/2004 10:49:57 AM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Jackson also expressed particular anger toward Harvard University. ``Harvard has a 20 billion dollar endowment. Not one black has ever managed a dime,’’ he said.

Big damn deal.

Sorry, but no one owes blacks any positions. They can earn them like everyone else.
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 07/28/2004 12:14 Comments || Top||

#2  BAR, Jesse doesn't give a rats ass about blacks or any other minority. He just goes around shaking people down like NASCAR. He would like nothing better to have move racism and bigotry.

I am not saying that there isn't racism, there is -- but Jesse (and RAINBOW/PUSH and the NAACP for that matter) isn't doing anything to fix it and has no intention of 'fixing' anything.

It is nice that people are finally seeing though his bullshit.
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/28/2004 12:27 Comments || Top||

#3  have MORE racism and bigotry.

I gotta get some coffee.....
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/28/2004 12:28 Comments || Top||

#4  I have always thought that Newport RI provides an excellent example for use against class warriors. Tour the Breakers and then explain how the gap between the rich an poor is widening.
Posted by: Super Hose || 07/28/2004 13:51 Comments || Top||


Democrats hail working stiffs, but party on corporations' tab
Party of the People? Remember this article the next time you hear talk of class warfare and being in the pockets of 'Big Business.' I see nothing wrong with the sponsors and the freebies (that is part of a convention), but don't play the working class card while you throw back Dom and snack on lobster. I can't wait for the review of the Republican convention: "Evil Big Business Buys Neo-Conservatives Loyalty with Lavish Parties." FYI the author is one of the few center right writers that contribute to the San Francisco Pravda Examiner.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 07/28/2004 11:42:28 AM || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Many of the same delegates who sneer at corporate America's influence on the Bush White House threw back glasses of chardonnay and Crown Royal bourbon paid for by some of the nation's richest industries.

"There's a huge contradiction,'' said Rep. George Miller of Martinez, who has been attending conventions since he was first elected to Congress more than 30 years ago


This shouldn't be too much of a contradiction for an old hypocritical, party-machine socialist like George Miller though. A member of the "Progressive Caucus," this POS is basically Berkley's Federal Rep. I've met this bastard. He has got looking down his nose at constituents down to a fine art.

Says one thing, does another. A typcial Democrat.
Posted by: Secret Master || 07/28/2004 12:36 Comments || Top||

#2  "Democrats hail working stiffs, but party on corporations’ tab"

Anybody who'd expect otherwise-- or believe anything the Democrats say-- is an ignorant fool.
Posted by: Dave D. || 07/28/2004 13:03 Comments || Top||

#3  And even though Democrats are supposed to be the champions of the Little Guy, there are always stories coming out about liberals stiffing little minimum wage waiters...
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/25/234212.shtml
...Independent researcher Tom Kuiper called our attention last week to a passage from Ron Kessler's 1997 best seller, "Inside Congress: The Shocking Scandals, Corruption, and Abuse of Power Behind the Scenes on Capitol Hill." Kessler's account includes a few choice quotes from one of the Senate dining room waiters, who used to regularly serve the Senate's wealthiest member.

Kerry is "real cheap," the waiter told Kessler. "He tips, but it is ten percent and below." The waiter noted that the Massachusetts Democrat isn't alone. Some of Kerry's less-gold-plated colleagues "either do not tip or tip very little. ... They might go out without signing their check or they might sign the check w/ no tip."
Posted by: rex || 07/28/2004 15:39 Comments || Top||


Saving Private Kerry
It's a little surrealistic right now," said a dazed James Moll, a 41-year-old filmmaker who won an Academy Award for his Holocaust documentary, The Last Days. Mr. Moll is Steven Spielberg's in-house documentarian at DreamWorks SKG and now, crucially—"surreally!"—has become Senator John Kerry's official Presidential big-screen image-maker. On Tuesday, July 27, Mr. Moll had just wrapped the final editing session on the most important short film of the political year, an extract of Senator Kerry's life, meant to introduce him to the Democratic National Convention, and to as much of America as the television networks will allow, on the evening of July 29. Mr. Moll has been hunkered down for weeks inside the fortified compound of Universal Studios, in Universal City, Calif., where Mr. Spielberg got his start and from which the late Lew Wasserman once offered advice and support to many Democratic candidates, working right up until and during the Democratic National Convention. He had the massive and sudden task of sifting through 30 years of video footage, stills and film outtakes and constructing a thematic portrait that would solve the problem that various national polls say needs to be solved quickly: to introduce and define John Kerry, a fundamentally undefined persona, for the campaign, for the nation and for history.
Drudge sez it will include the 8mm footage John Kerry filmed of himself in Vietnam, the one where he "recreated" his medal winning performance during a ambush. Wonder if it'll show him capping the wounded VC? Want to bet it'll gloss over the Winter Soldier testimony?
That is why, throughout Hollywood, the purpose of the film has been thumbnailed after one of Mr. Spielberg's most notable projects: "Saving Private Kerry."
Rush has a better name; "Saving Kerry's Privates"
The Republicans have been so prospectively upset by Mr. Moll's film, and by the Spielbergian reputation, that they have anticipated with an answer for a film not yet released 11-minute video propaganda montage meant to define Mr. Kerry as what they have called a "flip-flopper" showing Mr. Kerry's differing views on the war in Iraq.
I think I'd use the VH1 "pop-up" video model, have him say one thing and a pop-up window shows the other position.
Posted by: Steve || 07/28/2004 11:51:44 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  http://www.demsextrememakeover.com/
Try saving him from this.
Posted by: crazyhorse || 07/28/2004 14:13 Comments || Top||

#2  Money quote from Drudge:A joke circulated among Swiftees was that Kerry left Vietnam early not because he received three Purple Hearts, but because he had recorded enough film of himself to take home for his planned political campaigns.
Posted by: GK || 07/28/2004 15:13 Comments || Top||


Greenpeace Ship Breaks Alaska Law
Wotta surprise. EFL.
State environmental officials say the Greenpeace ship Arctic Sunrise broke Alaska law by not filing an oil spill response plan or having a certificate of financial responsibility. The ship was ordered to anchor until both requirements are met, said Department of Environmental Conservation spokeswoman Lynda Giguere. An investigation is being conducted to decide whether a fine will be levied, she said.

The Arctic Sunrise is carrying Greenpeace activists through Southeast Alaska to protest logging in the Tongass National Forest. It docked in Ketchikan earlier this week. The DEC filed its notice of violations Wednesday. Under state regulations, a nontank vessel larger than 400 gross tons needs to file an oil spill response plan application five days before entering state waters. State law also requires a ship of the Arctic Sunrise's size to provide, 15 days before entering Alaska waters, insurance information and an application for a certificate of financial responsibility in case of an oil spill.
Bwhahahahahahahaha

I read in a specialty newsletter (no link) that their lawyer was whining that they were being singled out for political reasons. That's right, jerk - we all know that any oil Greenprick spills will be pure and not damage anything.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 07/28/2004 11:37:32 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I'm sure we can get our Fwench "allies" to sit in on a multilateral venture against this ship.
Posted by: BH || 07/28/2004 12:08 Comments || Top||

#2  But they're activists! They're supposed to be above the law!
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/28/2004 12:51 Comments || Top||

#3  I believe that one of the Greenpeace ships was caught in the late 80s, early 90s carrying mary-jane by the Coast Guard. Couldn't find an article on that, though, but I remember hearing that.
Posted by: Laurence of the Rats || 07/28/2004 12:56 Comments || Top||


The C-Word
EFL:Tuesday night at the Democratic Convention, Ron Reagan engaged in one of the most stunning bait-and-switch scams of recent political history: For weeks we have been told that Reagan would urge President Bush to increase spending for embryonic-stem-cell (ESCR) research using leftover (IVF) embryos and to expand the parameters of eligibility for federally funded research. But that is not what he did. Rather, under the guise of promoting ESCR, Reagan actually pushed for the explicit legalization of human cloning.

Here's how Reagan described "embryonic-stem-cell research," actually human cloning, a.k.a. somatic-cell nuclear transfer (SCNT), with my correcting comments to his inaccurate assertions in italicized brackets:
Now, imagine going to a doctor who instead of prescribing drugs, takes a few skin cells from your arm. The nucleus of one of your cells is placed into a donor egg whose own nucleus has been removed. A bit of chemical or electrical stimulation will encourage your cell's nucleus to begin dividing [actually, create a new cloned human embryo], creating new cells [embryonic development] which will then be [destroyed and their cells] placed into a tissue culture. Those cells will generate embryonic stem cells containing only your DNA [and mitochondrial DNA from the egg], thereby [theoretically] eliminating the risk of tissue rejection.
The jig is finally up. For years, Big Biotech's — and the official Democrat-party — line has been that President Bush's embryonic-stem-cell funding policy has been too narrowly drawn. All we want access to, they repeatedly and self-righteously intoned, is IVF embryos in excess of need that are going to be discarded. But now, thanks to Ron Reagan's speech, which never once mentioned leftover IVF embryos, we learn that what Big Biotech and the Kerry campaign are really after is for the federal government to fund human-cloning research. And they clearly think they can get it through the potent magic of redefining terms.
Posted by: Steve || 07/28/2004 10:30:26 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Ron Reagan is a creepy after birth. Only the liberal drones would accept the scientific "insights" of a ballet dancer. The more accurate title for his speech, "Idiotic Stem Sell: Ron Reagan Exhibit A"
Posted by: Capt America || 07/28/2004 10:56 Comments || Top||

#2  Steve, I have said this before. There is Stem-Cell research being done in the private sector. Liberals have some weird idea that they need Federal $$$ to further their research. All Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush have done is deny the use of Federal funds for this research. REPEAT: THERE IS NO LAW BANNING STEM CELL RESEARCH. There are damn few federally funded programs that solve a medical problem or make a significant discovery. I think the government peaked during when they invented the Nuke bomb. If I am wrong somebody please enlighten me to the medical ‘discoveries’ that the government has invented.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 07/28/2004 11:06 Comments || Top||

#3  Thanks for the letting the clone out of the bag sarge. sheesh

Let me just say that TW 33a is a hell of a pitcher, who woulda thunk it?
Posted by: G Steinbrenner || 07/28/2004 11:51 Comments || Top||

#4  Ahem. Full disclosure: I have, and have had, federal grants from NIH to do medical research. Sarge is wrong; there are plenty of discoveries funded by federal research. Most of the current pharmacoepia is based on research originally done with federal dollars (drug companies don't do a lot of basic research anymore, they do applied research, and that's fine). Much of medicine today is based on what federally-funded research has done over the past fifty years. The proof you seek is generally found at the bottom of the first page of virtually every scientific article published in the US by American scientists -- it generally reads something like, "funded in part by a grant (grant # here) from (one of the institutes of the NIH listed here)." Take a look for yourself.

There are plenty of NIH and National Science Foundation grants that have funded major and useful discoveries.

Capt America is correct in noting that as a scientist, Ron Reagan Jr. is a passable ballet dancer.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/28/2004 12:04 Comments || Top||

#5  “I am wrong somebody please enlighten me to the medical ‘discoveries’ that the government has invented.”

You are very, very wrong. I’ve followed biology, biotech, and medical research for years. Most basic research is funded by the government through agencies such as NIH. There is also good research funded by private groups such as the Hughes Foundation. A list of the significant biotech discoveries made in the last ten years with federal funding would include tens of thousands of discoveries. (Have you heard of the Human Genome Project?)

Company R&D funds commercial products. The drug companies spend billions bringing new drugs to market but little of that money is for basic research.

The “cloning” mentioned in the article is for treatment. The “embryo” never exceeds a few hundred cells. It is no more a human than a wart is. The purpose is to create cells that won’t be rejected when curing a patient’s disease.

I strongly favor embryonic stem cell research but I don’t believe that Bush’s ban on new ESC lines will have much effect. The basic biology and methods of treatment need to be worked out in mouse models. (Mice and men are very much alike.)

Sometime in the next five to ten years human cures for major diseases should be available. Once heart disease can be cured the objections to ESC use will be swept away. (If not people will go to Mexico or Canada for treatment.)
Posted by: Anonymous5032 || 07/28/2004 12:28 Comments || Top||

#6  The “embryo” never exceeds a few hundred cells. It is no more a human than a wart is.

Serious question; So when does it become human?
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 07/28/2004 12:34 Comments || Top||

#7  Mr. Davis - When it pops out of it's mamma and starts screaming.
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 07/28/2004 13:12 Comments || Top||

#8  Uh-oh, I feel a long thread on metaphysics coming. While fully aware that no one agrees on metaphysics, I must say that there is no scientific basis for saying that an embryo is not human. It is fully human in any scientific definition of 'human'.
Posted by: virginian || 07/28/2004 13:14 Comments || Top||

#9  Serious question; So when does it become human?

When it votes Democrat.
Posted by: Robert Crawford || 07/28/2004 13:25 Comments || Top||

#10  So, Scooter, anything that doesn't pop out of a mama and start screaming isn't human? It doesn't have human rights? Try again. We give human rights to all kinds of people who don't "pop out". This question needs to be answered seriously or we will have serious unintended consequences.

When someone who apparently knows a lot more about the technical aspects of this than I do asserts that an "embryo" of no more than a few hundred cells (but which I infer can develop into a full human) is not human then they should be prepared to assert when it does become human.
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 07/28/2004 13:31 Comments || Top||

#11  Sorry viginian, I don't know too many humans that live inside another full grown person like some kind of parasite. There's a reason we have words like
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 07/28/2004 13:32 Comments || Top||

#12  "We give human rights to all kinds of people who don't 'pop out'"

Huh? I think EVERYONE had to come out a woman at some point! Please correct me if I'm wrong. Ha ha!
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 07/28/2004 13:34 Comments || Top||

#13  Gosh darn it, my previous post got truncated somehow...

I was saying - There's a reason we have words like "fetus" and "baby". One is a potential human. The other is a very young human. I think that's a pretty big difference.
Posted by: Scooter McGruder || 07/28/2004 13:37 Comments || Top||

#14  Even SCOTUS disagreees with you, Scooter. That's why states can limit abortion in the last trimester.
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 07/28/2004 13:43 Comments || Top||

#15  RC fires for effect!
Posted by: Shipman || 07/28/2004 14:46 Comments || Top||

#16  “It is fully human in any scientific definition of 'human'.”

There is no scientific definition of human in the sense you indicate. Based on its genome a cell might be called a human cell rather than a mouse cell but that doesn’t make a flake of skin a human. With modern biotech almost any human cell could become a new human being. That does not mean all our cells are accorded human legal rights.

There are legal definitions of “live humans” that change over time with changing medical technology.

There are church definitions based on a fertilized egg “having a soul” but the church definitions don’t keep up with changing medical technology. In the “cloning” example there is no fertilized egg. When a heart is transplanted, does the soul move with the heart. When a portion of the brain is transplanted does the “soul” move with that portion. Are there fractional souls? Can a body have more than one soul? Church doctrine hasn’t kept up with modern medical technology.

When does white become black? I see a white page, slowly it darkens, and finally I see black. I can recognize white and I can recognize black, but it’s hard to say when white became black.

In China babies aren’t considered to be full humans. That is one reason why abortion and infanticide is more common in China. Chinese love their children just as much as Americans do, but they differ at what stage they consider a baby to be child. In America people differ in their beliefs as to when a fetus becomes a child.

“I think EVERYONE had to come out a woman at some point! Please correct me if I'm wrong.”

Present technology would allow a human to be born from a gorilla womb. Zoos use cattle as surrogate wombs for some rare animals. Within the next two decades, artificial wombs will make it possible for a human to develop from a single egg into a baby without any animal womb.
Posted by: Anonymous5032 || 07/28/2004 15:23 Comments || Top||

#17  A5032,

So when do those few hundred cells become human? Is the beginning of human life a function of the state of medical technology?
Posted by: Mr. Davis || 07/28/2004 15:41 Comments || Top||

#18  Would anyone be listening to this idiot if his last name were "Smith?"
Posted by: Jackal || 07/28/2004 16:53 Comments || Top||

#19  Howdy folks! Hey, did I hear someone ask for more cowbell?
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 07/28/2004 17:09 Comments || Top||

#20  A5032: Your logic is flawed. The RELEVANT point is that a certain configuration of cells IS IN THE PROCESS of development we call "human being." (It is always "in development", since a human being is not a static entity.) Other processes MAY be set in motion by artificial means that result in the human developmental process, but prior to that, it is NOT equivalent to a human embryo.

Your remarks about the soul are a non-sequitur. I never said anything about soul.

A white page turning dark is an inapt analogy for what we are talking about. The process we are talking about here has a quite definite beginning. However you wish to construe it, when the process is stopped an actual living individual's life is ended.
Posted by: virginian || 07/28/2004 19:56 Comments || Top||

#21  Mr. Davis: “So when do those few hundred cells become human? Is the beginning of human life a function of the state of medical technology?”

My example of white-to-dark reflects my opinion. At the stage of a few hundred cells there is no human. By early childhood no one doubts there is a human. (Hard to deny humanity when it smiles, laughs, and talks.) The degree of humanity grows as the fetus grows.

You could also look at the development of the nervous system and brain or the first beat of the heart. But I really don’t think there is a single event that divides human from non-human.

Similar problems arise when deciding whether a brain dead body is a human. Or a body with an active brain stem but no higher brain function; a chimpanzee has far more intelligence and in my view has more “humanity”.

Medical advances could even complicate the “brain” dead criterion as it becomes possible to grow new brain tissue. The new tissue would hold none of the old memories and might bear little resemblance to the previous personality.

(I make no claims to special moral or philosophical or religious insight on these issues. I’m offering my opinion.)

virginian: “The RELEVANT point is that a certain configuration of cells IS IN THE PROCESS of development we call "human being."”

Without the very artificial act of being implanted in a human womb the cells aren’t “IN THE PROCESS of development we call "human being.". They are no more alive than cells taken for a biopsy. They have no more potential to become a human being than the original adult cell whose nucleus provided the genetic material. Are all our cells a “human being” because the only thing stopping the process is the human decision not to proceed?

A sperm and egg have the potential to become a human being. The process of fertilization has a definite beginning that often leads to a human being. If someone interrupts the sex act is a “human” killed?
Posted by: Anonymous5032 || 07/28/2004 21:05 Comments || Top||

#22  How did the embryo become the particular configuration of cells we call a human embryo, if it did not undergo a certain degree of development, e.g. cell division, normally associated with human embryo development?

You seem to be fond of irrelevant arguments. If someone interrupts a sex act such that fertilization does not occur, then its not relevant to this discussion, which is about embryos.
Posted by: virginian || 07/28/2004 22:20 Comments || Top||


Lost Record of Vote in '02 Florida Race Raises '04 Concern
Almost all the electronic records from the first widespread use of touch-screen voting in Miami-Dade County have been lost, stoking concerns that the machines are unreliable as the presidential election draws near. The records disappeared after two computer system crashes last year, county elections officials said, leaving no audit trail for the 2002 gubernatorial primary. A citizens group uncovered the loss this month after requesting all audit data from that election. A county official said a new backup system would prevent electronic voting data from being lost in the future. But members of the citizens group, the Miami-Dade Election Reform Coalition, said the malfunction underscored the vulnerability of electronic voting records and wiped out data that might have shed light on what problems, if any, still existed with touch-screen machines here. The group supplied the results of its request to The New York Times. "This shows that unless we do something now - or it may very well be too late - Florida is headed toward being the next Florida," said Lida Rodriguez-Taseff, a lawyer who is the chairwoman of the coalition.
EFL, more evidence that Florida should be cut loose and pushed into the ocean at the link.
Posted by: Steve || 07/28/2004 9:16:59 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  We will soon hear moonbat accusations that this was the only reason Jeb won by such a large margin.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge (VRWC CA Chapter) || 07/28/2004 10:42 Comments || Top||

#2  Oh, dearie! They'll be using those electrical computer thingies here? How will I be sure that I'll be voting for that nice Kerry boy who won't steal my Social Security for the war like they told us at the home that the bad Bush fellow who stole the election last time will? I can't even tell which pedal is the brake or the gas in my car. Oh, dear...oh,dear.
Posted by: Millie from FLA || 07/28/2004 20:50 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Porn and Violence: Good for America's Children?
Last week, I responded to James Glassman's observation that American teenagers are doing better than they've done in decades by trying to figure out why that might be. Teen pregnancy is down, along with teen crime, drug use, and many other social ills. There's also evidence that teenagers are more serious about life in general, and are more determined to make something worthwhile of their lives. Where just a few years ago the "teenager problem" looked insoluble, it seems well on the road to solving itself. But why? After that column came out, it occurred to me that I had the answer: Porn and videogames. That's what's making American teens healthier.

It should have been obvious. After all, one of the great changes in teenagers' social environments over the past decade or so has been far greater exposure to explicit pornography, via the Internet, and violence, via videogames. Where twenty or thirty years ago teenagers had to go to some effort to see pictures of people having sex, now those things are as close as a Google query. (In fact, on the Internet it takes some small effort to avoid such pictures.) Meanwhile videogames have gotten more violent, with efforts to limit their content failing on First Amendment grounds. But -- despite continued warnings from concerned mothers' groups -- teenagers are less violent, and they're having less sex, notwithstanding the predictions of many concerned people that such exposure would have the opposite effect. More virtual sex and violence would seem to go along with less real sex and violence. The solution is thus obvious -- we need a massive government program to ensure that no American teenager goes without porn and videogames Let no child be left behind!
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Posted by: tipper || 07/28/2004 12:46:26 PM || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Booze! They need access to more booze.
Posted by: dreadnought || 07/28/2004 12:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Exposure to violent television programs and movies definitely have zero impact on Far Eastern societies. Hong Kong and Japanese broadcast TV show far more violent material than is available on American TV *or* movie screens. And yet their murder and other violent crime rates are a fraction of ours. And it's not a matter of the examples set by characters in these programs or movies either - Asian TV programs or movies are far more ambiguous about who the good guy is than American shows, which tend to side with law enforcement personnel.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 07/28/2004 14:14 Comments || Top||

#3  If a culture aims for the gutter, it will end up in the gutter. The babyboomers should congratulate themselves for producing a bunch of moral idiots (immoral idiots is probably a better choice of words). Can't men see what this is doing to women, children and families? Or are they just so selfish they are willing to ignore it? The communists couldn't have done a better job with providing a way for western civilization to slide the iron yoke on.
Posted by: AnonymousJ || 07/28/2004 14:48 Comments || Top||

#4  Baby boomer kids are turning out way better than their parents. Mine are literate, sober, kind to animals and excellent fishermen.

I am only to of the above.
Posted by: Shipman || 07/28/2004 14:55 Comments || Top||

#5  But it's a really really grand theory - it MUST be right! Who cares what happens in the so-called real world? From my lofty esteemed position, high above the teeming masses, theory is sacrosanct - as it should be! Along with my coterie of well-heeled sycophants I recently witnessed a Bergman epic at the Arthouse that proved it! Truth enshrined! Uplifting and fulfilling, it lay waste to the barbaric icons of crude and nekulturny Americana. Everyone at the Dean's cocktail party agreed it was simply splendid!

Scoff if you must as it only makes my point: You're Peasants!
Posted by: .com || 07/28/2004 15:20 Comments || Top||

#6  BS...the only thing kids need these days is more cowbell!
Posted by: Rex Mundi || 07/28/2004 16:37 Comments || Top||

#7  Hey! Is that where our cowbell motto went!!?? I want it back, right this very minute! Don't make me pull over....
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 07/28/2004 17:43 Comments || Top||


Multiculturalism Starts Losing Its Luster
Multiculturalism rests on the supposition—or better, the dishonest pretense—that all cultures are equal and that no fundamental conflict can arise between the customs, mores, and philosophical outlooks of two different cultures. The multiculturalist preaches that, in an age of mass migration, society can (and should) be a kind of salad bowl, a receptacle for wonderful exotic ingredients from around the world, the more the better, each bringing its special flavor to the cultural mix. For the salad to be delicious, no ingredient should predominate and impose its flavor on the others.

Even as a culinary metaphor, this view is wrong: every cook knows that not every ingredient blends with every other. But the spread and influence of an idea is by no means necessarily proportional to its intrinsic worth, including (perhaps especially) among those who gain their living by playing with ideas, the intelligentsia. Reality, though, has a way of revenging itself upon the frivolous, and September 11 has seemingly concentrated minds a little. Some signs indicate that in Blairite Britain the pieties of multiculturalism, for years an official orthodoxy, are beginning to face a challenge.
Posted by: tipper || 07/28/2004 11:32 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


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Publisher Withdraws Book About Honor Killing -- Doubts Veracity
From BBC News
A controversial book about the "honour killing" of a Jordanian woman has been withdrawn by publishers in Australia after the author was accused of fabricating the story. Norma Khouri's Forbidden Love was a best-seller in Australia. It is a first-hand account of a Muslim woman's death, murdered by her father over her relationship with a Christian.

But an Australian newspaper says it has uncovered dozens of inconsistencies. The author stands by her story. ... Over the weekend the Sydney Morning Herald alleged that the author had fabricated the story. The paper said an exhaustive investigation spanning three continents had uncovered a series of lies. It claimed the author had lived in Jordan only until she was three and that the central character in the book never existed. The publisher of Forbidden Love in Australia said it was being withdrawn until its authenticity could be proved. In a statement, Random House said it had requested evidence from the author that the book was a true representation of her life and experiences. Norma Khouri has strongly rejected the allegations. She said she stood by her story and insisted she could prove she was telling the truth. ...
Posted by: Mike Sylwester || 07/28/2004 10:34:47 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: Culture Wars
Guthrie would laugh his guitar off
Remember what Guthrie said, though:
"This song is Copyrighted in U.S., under Seal of Copyright # 154085, for a period of 28 years, and anybody caught singin' it without our permission, will be mighty good friends of ourn, cause we don't give a dern. Publish it. Write it. Sing it. Swing to it. Yodel it. We wrote it, that's all we wanted to do."
Horrors, a musician who wanted people to use his song. The RIAA would not approve.
Posted by: DD || 07/28/2004 09:43 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  He also had a guitar with the phrase "This Machine Kills Fascists" written on it. Whatever happened to the good old days when the American left produced patriotic commies like this guy? I would weep for the Dems.... but I hate them too much for that.
Posted by: Secret Master || 07/28/2004 12:06 Comments || Top||

#2  This Land Link
Posted by: BigEd || 07/28/2004 18:16 Comments || Top||

#3  Over on /. teh LLLs were saying Guthrie would be behind Kerry. I laughed He would be behind the only true socialist Nader.

It's pretty clear Guthrie by publishing the quoted text gave premission for all use of his creation. When the Judge sees that he is going to tell these greedy aholes to get lost.

It just goes to show the only good lawyer is a dead one. ( well unless you need one )
Posted by: FlameBait93268 || 07/28/2004 19:28 Comments || Top||


Africa: Subsaharan
Nigeria signs Zimbabwean farmers
A group of white Zimbabwean farmers have reached a deal to start farming in Nigeria within 60 days. The western state of Kwara has promised to extend financial aid in return for the development of the state's agricultural sector. The farmers are among those whose land was taken by the Zimbabwe government for redistribution to blacks. One of the farmers said he hoped a further 200 Zimbabweans would move to Nigeria over the next five years. Alan Jack, who signed the memorandum on Tuesday, said that the farmers would initially come without their families. With the first arrivals due in the next two months, he said there was still much to organise. "We've got to get the finances in place, the structures in place and the physical planning of the farms," Mr Jack told the BBC. The Kwara state government has promised to give them tax breaks, loans and help to develop infrastructure.
Smart move on their part.
The BBC's Anna Borzello in Lagos says local officials hope the farmers will help kick start a sluggish agricultural sector and attract other foreign investors. The farmers have expressed concern about Nigeria's reputation for corruption, but according to Mr Jack, "so far everything looks exceptionally good".
They may be corrupt, but they're not stupid.
White farmers from Zimbabwe have been looking for alternative homes since President Robert Mugabe began seizing their farms four years ago. Mr Jack said they were coming to Nigeria because the country was one of the first to ask. He said local chiefs and elders were keen on the farmers coming to Kwara state because they would bring jobs, electricity and roads. Nigeria's farms have been neglected since oil was discovered 40 years ago. Nigerian President Olusegun Obasanjo has also given his support for the project, saying Nigeria was "anxious to benefit from their expertise and experience".
Good news for a change.
Posted by: Steve || 07/28/2004 9:07:31 AM || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:


Home Front: Culture Wars
Belief in hell boosts economic growth
Economists searching for reasons why some nations are richer than others have found that those with a wide belief in hell are less corrupt and more prosperous, according to a report by the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis. Researchers at the regional Federal Reserve bank acknowledged the importance of productivity and investment in the economic process but looked at some recent unconventional efforts to explain differences in national prosperity. "In countries where large percentages of the population believe in hell, there seems to be less corruption and a higher standard of living," the St. Louis Fed said in its July quarterly review.

For instance, 71 percent of the US population believe in hell and the country boasts the world's highest per capita income, according to the 2003 United Nations Human Development Report and 1990-1993 World Values Survey. Ireland, not far behind the United States in terms of income, likewise has a healthy fear of a nether world with 53 percent of the population acknowledging hell's existence. "I'm not surprised," said the Rev Eileen Lindner, deputy general secretary of the US National Council of Churches, when told of the results. "The expectation that there is a cultural belief in hell or perpetual and eternal punishment for wrongdoing will act as a disincentive to wrongdoing," she said.

The St Louis Fed's researchers took a two-step approach to linking religion and the economy. "A belief in hell tends to mean less corruption and less corruption tends to mean a higher per capita income," they wrote. It correlated the belief in hell findings of the World Value Series with a measure of corruption produced by Transparency International. It then looked at the relationship between corruption and per capita gross domestic product and found "a strong tendency for countries with relatively low levels of corruption to have relatively high levels of per capita GDP. Combining these two stories ... suggests that, all else being equal, the more religious a country, the less corruption it will have and the higher its per capita income will be." The researchers also noted the long tradition among classical economists to equate a society's honesty, and the strength of the rule of law, with economic vitality. Ellen Johnson, president of American Atheists Inc., called the study the latest gimmick from the religious establishment to drum up government support.
Posted by: Paul Moloney || 07/28/2004 12:27:47 AM || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  And then there's Pakistan...
Posted by: Rafael || 07/28/2004 0:40 Comments || Top||

#2  "Hell" is sort of the ultimate bitch-slap and wake-up call, lol! Makes sense to me!

I offer the following observation as a corollary:

English is today both the language of wealth and, more importantly, of aspiration to wealth. A fascinating statistic employed by Bragg compares the net worth of the speakers of various world languages, showing that although there are many more Mandarin-speakers than English-speakers, they are only worth £448bn. Against that Russian-speakers are 'worth' £801bn, German-speakers £1,090bn, Japanese-speakers £1,277bn, but English-speakers are worth a staggering £4,271bn - more than the rest put together.

Melvyn Bragg: The Adventure of English, 500 AD TO 2000: The Biography of a Language (hat tip to the Chicago Boyz - from a long ago post...)

Draw your own conclusions...
Posted by: .com || 07/28/2004 0:48 Comments || Top||

#3  [Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by: Ryan TROLL || 07/28/2004 0:57 Comments || Top||

#4  Lol! And your name is really Ryan, lol! FOAD twit.
Posted by: .com || 07/28/2004 1:05 Comments || Top||

#5  Lets be careful to detail the type of religion they are talking about: Judaeo-Christian basically. Not the Islamofascist.

Beating your wife silly because a pseudo religion says so, or robbing your neighbor because he has more than you or is from a different tribe - thats destructive, and has destroyed the nations in which it is the dominant practice. Sudan and Darfur, Afghanistan and Taliban, Palestine, etc.

Other than that stipulation, its a simple relationship:

Bad actions generate bad consequences. And religious individuals believe that individuals will bear the consequences of their actions.

You cannot shuck it off on "bad environment" or blame it on your socioeconomic group or your race, or other leftist claptrap. You made the decision, you bear the consequences.

Thats why this correlation is there. Moral thinking and behavior is a positive, and "doing the right thing" pays off - for yourself and those with whom you interact.
Posted by: OldSpook || 07/28/2004 1:41 Comments || Top||

#6  I disagree with this article. If you look at the top 10 nations regarding lack of corruption and prosperity - it is full of mostly irreligous nations like Sweden, Denmark, and the Netherlands on the one hand; or non-Christian states like Hong Kong and Singapore on the other. Sub-saharan Africa is strongly religous, but is largely dirt-poor and highly corrupt.

Posted by: Paul Moloney || 07/28/2004 2:10 Comments || Top||

#7  I don't think religion or lack thereof has such a simplistic cause-effect on a nation's corruption index. I think transparency of government has a more direct affect on a nation's corruption index, which in turn contributes to GDP together with the average IQ score for the nation.

A Stanford MBA graduate did a study of how corruption and average IQ of nations affected their GDP. For developing countries if corruption is medium, then IQ has equal importance as a link to GDP. But for under developed countries, if corruption is bad, IQ takes on a very very important link to GDP. Interesting statistics:
http://www.sq.4mg.com/corrupt.htm

Moral of the story: statistics lie ie. they can be manipulated to support an argument.
Posted by: rex || 07/28/2004 3:07 Comments || Top||

#8  #7 I don't think religion or lack thereof has such a simplistic cause-effect on a nation's corruption index. I think transparency of government has a more direct affect on a nation's corruption index, which in turn contributes to GDP together with the average IQ score for the nation.

Thank you, rex.
Posted by: Zenster || 07/28/2004 5:48 Comments || Top||

#9  Be careful in describing Islamists and hell. Could you tolerate 70 PMS virgins?
Posted by: Capt America || 07/28/2004 11:03 Comments || Top||

#10  If Kerry's elected...we'll find out.
Posted by: tu3031 || 07/28/2004 20:36 Comments || Top||

#11  I don’t agree with this study. Take Jews as an example. They are the richest people in the world. They are a corrupt race that still believe in God.
Posted by: Ryan || 07/28/2004 0:57 Comments || Top||


Africa: North
Libya Gets OK to Start WTO Entry Talks
The World Trade Organization (WTO) Tuesday gave the go-ahead to Libya to begin talks on admission to the 147-member body and take another step toward ending decades of its international isolation. But while the United States backed Libya's application, Washington maintained its bloc on allowing Iran to open negotiations and so become an observer at the Geneva-based WTO. "They have agreed to set up a working party," said one trade official emerging from a session of the body's executive General Council where the decision on Libya was approved by consensus when no delegation objected. The creation of a working party is the first step on the road to entry for any country seeking membership in the WTO, which sets and administers the rules for global trade and acts as a forum for trade negotiations. But when the Iranian application came up, officials said, a U.S. delegate declared his country needed more time to study the issue -- a stance it has stoutly maintained since the Tehran request first came before the Council in 2001.

Approval for starting talks does not mean that oil-rich Libya, engaged since last year in a drive to re-enter the global mainstream, can expect an easy passage in the negotiations ahead, trade diplomats say.The talks, which could last for years, will involve bilateral negotiations with any WTO country that feels Libyan exports could be a threat to its own markets or wants to ensure good terms for selling goods to Libya.
Q-man's rehab continues ...
Posted by: Steve White || 07/28/2004 12:27:31 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Africa: Subsaharan
Coup Suspects Plead to Lesser Charges in Zim-bob-we
All but three of 70 suspected mercenaries accused of plotting a coup in Equatorial Guinea pleaded guilty Tuesday to lesser charges in Zimbabwe. The 67 were detained at Harare International Airport on March 7, accused of conspiring to carry out a coup in the tiny, oil-rich West African nation of Equatorial Guinea with weapons acquired in Zimbabwe. The 67 on Tuesday admitted breaching Zimbabwe's immigration and aviation laws, offenses punishable by up to two years in jail. Magistrate Mishrod Guvamombe formally convicted the 67 of the lesser charges. Their sentences weren't announced. Defense attorney Alwyn Griebenow said all 70 would plead innocent when more serious conspiracy, security and firearms charges were considered Wednesday.

The remaining three suspects include the alleged leader of the coup attempt, Simon Mann, a former British special forces member. He and two associates who were not on the plane were arrested separately in Zimbabwe and accused of illegal arms purchases. They also face the more serious charges. Prosecutors allege Equatorial Guinea's Spanish-based rebel leader, Severo Moto, offered the group $1.8 million and oil rights to overthrow President Theodoro Obiang Nguema in the former Spanish colony. The suspects, most of them former members of South Africa's apartheid-era military forces, deny the charges and say they were headed to security jobs at mining operations in eastern Congo.
Too bad they didn't depose Bob while on their way to their "other job".
In April, Zimbabwe said it had revised its extradition policy to include Equatorial Guinea, meaning the suspects could be sent there to face charges. They could face execution if tried in Equatorial Guinea, described by human rights groups as one of the most repressive countries in the world.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/28/2004 12:23:35 AM || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They can stay in jail or Bob will free them if they agree to help Bob's family overhaul and maintain some John Deere machinery.
Posted by: Super Hose || 07/28/2004 3:51 Comments || Top||

#2  It was Africans that invented most of the machinery you know of, the math and engineering bases and the technology of writing to document these, inlcuding your ability to type your uninformed comments on the keyboard invented by an African American. Get educated, and get off our land!
Kevin-
Posted by: Anonymous6189 || 08/27/2004 18:10 Comments || Top||

#3  It was Africans that invented most of the machinery you know of, the math and engineering bases and the technology of writing to document these, including your ability to type your uninformed comments on the keyboard invented by an African American. Get educated, and get off our land!
Kevin-
Posted by: Anonymous6189 || 08/27/2004 18:11 Comments || Top||

#4  He's right! My keyboard is made out of peanuts!
Posted by: .Abu Carver || 08/27/2004 18:15 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Lawyers for Deported Alien Use ''Fetus Citizenship Argument''*
Link provided courtesy of ChronWatch in its "Nut Watch" column
Lawyers for a deported Mexican woman who is eight months pregnant are seeking her return to the United States to protect the unborn baby's health. They also say under federal law the fetus is a viable human being and thus may be eligible for citizenship rights. That argument sounds like a long shot to some on both sides of the immigration debate. But in May, a U.S. District Court judge in Kansas City, Mo., approved a stay of deportation for a pregnant Mexican woman after raising, among other concerns, the question of whether her fetus could be considered a U.S. citizen. The judge is reviewing the issue. That Missouri decision cannot set legal precedent, but immigration attorneys say it may offer them a new angle in deportation cases.

...Her husband's attorney, Luis Carrillo, said he is considering whether to file a lawsuit against Immigration and Customs Enforcement for unlawful deportation...He also cited the Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004, in which unborn children are granted equal protection under criminal law. Carrillo said that since the fetus is 8 months and would be viable outside the womb, it should be treated as a child born in the United States. "The child was conceived in the United States and would have been born in the United States except that the mother was deported. Through no part of his own, the unborn baby is in Mexico," Carrillo said.
On the one hand, the left claims a fetus has no rights, but on the otherhand, the left claim an unborn fetus has rights and entitlements??? This country will be torn asunder by lawyers before OBL has a chance to do it.
Posted by: rex || 07/28/2004 12:00:00 AM || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  If they can prove that the sperm met the egg in the US, they might have a case ;-)
Posted by: Rafael || 07/28/2004 0:18 Comments || Top||

#2  Aw fuck.
Posted by: .com || 07/28/2004 0:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Just another case of lawyers screwing around.
Posted by: Steve White || 07/28/2004 0:34 Comments || Top||

#4  "On the one hand, the left claims a fetus has no rights, but on the otherhand, the left claim an unborn fetus has rights and entitlements??? "

That's probably because the label "the left" doesn't refer to a single opinion or a single political attitude but rather to a whole spectrum of them.

Often their only common characteristic is that they aren't in "the right" of "the center". :-)
Posted by: Aris Katsaris || 07/28/2004 0:55 Comments || Top||

#5  The law says "born in", numb nuts, not "conceived in", so your fetus may qualify as a human being but it's not a US citizen.

NEXT!
Posted by: mojo || 07/28/2004 1:39 Comments || Top||

#6  The LLL will use whatever argument it needs to further its cause. Inconsistancies and contradictions are just speed bumps to the goal. The end justifies the means, ITBO.
Posted by: Alaska Paul in Fairbanks || 07/28/2004 3:36 Comments || Top||

#7  If every pregnant woman who enters the US and then leaves delivers I gues the argument could be made that these children could have been born in the US but weren't through no fault of their own so maybe they should be granted citizenship as well. Hell, why not just grant citizenship to every child in the world. They weren't born here because they had no control over the circumstances of their birth.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 07/28/2004 7:14 Comments || Top||

#8  Holy Shait! You mean the INS actually deported someone? Quick someone better start selling heaters in hell -- I think its freezing......

This is so stupid. Is Edwards involved?

Do you think the judge issued the stay of deportation until the baby is born here?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 07/28/2004 9:28 Comments || Top||

#9  Holy Shait! You mean the INS actually deported someone?

Amazing, but it does happen, apparently.

(via Bill Quick)
Posted by: Bomb-a-rama || 07/28/2004 11:47 Comments || Top||

#10  If the lawyers lose their case, can we deport them too?
Posted by: Silentbrick || 07/28/2004 21:15 Comments || Top||

#11  "That's probably because the label "the left" doesn't refer to a single opinion or a single political attitude but rather to a whole spectrum of them.
Not really.
It's tiresome and boring what uniformity and conformity of thought there is on the Left, particularly when it comes to abortion and foetuses.
They've all drunk the abortion Kool Aid and only back off on babies in the womb being lifeless foetsuses when it serves one of their other purposes, as here, which is getting the warm body of an illegal alien on the Lib Dim voting rolls.
Posted by: GreatestJeneration || 07/28/2004 22:05 Comments || Top||



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