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This post was clearly Bush's fault!
What did he post and when did he post it?
I'm demanding that Sen. Hitlery Rodham Rodham, Tiny Tom Daschle and Teddy "Woman Overboard" Kennedy launch an investigation of RB today!
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Any more posts of this caliber? I'd like to write a novel some day, and if I could learn how to craft sentences and work with words the way this guy does, I'll sell more books than Clancy!
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Fred, this has to go in the classics bin! Such Prose! I'm speechless!
Same here! To the Classix it ought to go!
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o you guys real funny not my fault onyun ring truck show up erly at bk befor i can post and boss almost catch me on cumputer
bush is shrub
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Wow, does Orson Scott Card ever write a bad essay ?
I wish our gov't read and absorbed the last part, it addresses the crying need for better PR in this whole thing:
" We need our own stories -- and ours will have the enormous advantage of being true.
Here's the story we need to tell:
Every action of Al-Qaeda is part of Osama's cynical plan to become the Caliph of Islam. He is persuading young Muslim men to kill themselves in order to further his own climb to absolute power over all Muslims, and then (he hopes) over the whole world.
These young Muslim men, Osama says, are "martyrs," but every Muslim knows that martyrs are killed by the enemy, not self-murdered in order to kill innocents.
Because they believe Osama's teachings, these young men cut themselves off from a lifetime of service to God, a lifetime of fathering children who would grow up to serve God. Instead they die in service of Osama's ambition.
They are, in effect, suffering the same fate as the eunuchs who served as loyal slaves in the court of the Sultan in Istanbul. Cut off from the hope of having families of their own, their lives were spent in the service of Sultans who claimed to be religious leaders but were really nothing more than vicious exploiters and oppressors of the Muslim people
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via KCNA. Two articles which, if mind-melded together, paint a stark picture of shameless and naked US aggression and plans of Pre-Emptive War on the Peaceful Peoples of NorKieLand. But then you prolly already knew that.
Scoring optional. U.S. Accused of Increasing Danger of War Pyongyang, August 22 (KCNA) -- The United States is contemplating the deployment of an Alaska-based squadron of F-15E fighters of the U.S. Air Force in south Korea in the near future. Minju Joson Sunday in a signed commentary carried in this connection brands the projected U.S. deployment of fighters as a dangerous move for arms buildup to invade the DPRK as it is aimed to mount a surprise preemptive strike at it by use of ultra-modern weapons.
Recently the U.S. worked out what it called the "operation plan 5027-04", a new scenario to invade the DPRK, the commentary says, and goes on: The arms buildup pursuant to the U.S. strategy for a war against the DPRK is designed to bolster up the naval and air forces with ultra-modern combat equipment in a bid to further increase the capacity to invade the DPRK through long-range preemptive strike, while reducing the ground forces. The U.S. planned deployment of more fighters is a challenge to the Korean nation desirous of peace and security on the Korean peninsula.
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This stuff should be called the North Korean alternate reality mind warp effect.
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Why do we have to go to the KCNA to get upbeat news like this? There's never any good news in the MSM.
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The tricksy hobbitze wish to take the precious.
Isn't it diabolicle the way we bolster our invasion force of 30K soldiers by removing a third of them.
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Well, at least we got some songun and U.S. imperialists. But there is a complete lack of enthusiasm. Maybe a 6? I wonder if the poor diet is finaly catching up with the agit-prop crew?
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Lame, lame, lame. Only 2 good bits: the U.S. worked out what it called the "operation plan 5027-04" LOL The DPRK has powerful Songun armed forces
Overall, I give it a 1.5 (the old writers must have choked on the grass and dirt diet).
Curses! They found the Secret Planâ¢! Back to the drawing board. [*brainfart*] I know! We'll keep the same plan, justchange the number and put it back in a Secret Placeâ¢. That will keep them stumped for a while.[/*brainfart*]
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Notice, Rantburgers, that there is no more piss and vinegar, fire and brimstone in KCNA rants. *sniff* They must still have fire and brimstone in stock, but they are plumb out of piss and vinegar. Not having much of an apple crop will hurt vinegar production.
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A controversial pro-Taliban cleric from Pakistan was greeted by thousands of cheering supporters, including throngs of Pakistanis who live in Norway, upon his arrival Saturday in Oslo for a weeklong visit to this Scandinavian country.
"Qazi Qazi Qazi! Ãi Ãi Ãi!"
Norwegian authorities had expressed concern that the visit of the prominent religious leader, Qazi Hussain Ahmed, would create a security risk. But Norway's local government and regional development minister, Erna Solberg, on Thursday granted Ahmed a visa, saying his right to freedom of speech outweighed security concerns. Ahmed heads Pakistan's largest and most radical Islamic group, Jamaat-e-Islami, and has pressed for the introduction of Islamic law in the Asian nation. He has on several occasions praised al-Qaida leader Osama Bin Laden, and is also said to be a supporter of the Taliban, the former hardline Islamic rulers of Afghanistan. During his stay in Norway, Ahmed will hold a news conference, meet with Solberg and give lectures on the proper Islamic methods of cod-farming. Later this week, he will speak with the Norwegian Foreign Affairs Committee. Ahmed was invited to Norway by the Oslo Islamic Cultural Center.
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"Ahmed was invited to Norway by the Oslo Islamic Cultural Center" - in order to carry out the Fatwa, I've no doubt, on that Persian ex-beauty contestant/porn star.
She's probably left the country by now but he has to start looking for her SOMEWHERE.
Sneer quotes courtesy of the Beeb.
Authorities have been questioning more than 100 asylum-seekers who landed on the south Italian island of Lampedusa by boat in the early hours of Saturday. It is not known where they started their journey but the 114 undocumented men claimed to be Palestinians when interviewed by police. Italy has long sought action to stem illegal sea crossings from Libya, where much of the traffic begins. Its prime minister is already due to make a visit Tripoli on Wednesday. Silvio Berlusconi is under increasing pressure to reduce the problem, correspondents say. He is expected to seek Libyan co-operation in patrolling the Mediterranean when he meets the Libyan leader, Col Muammar Gaddafi.
Could always send them to Mauritania. Nice place, Mauritania.
Of especial note is that the indictment used the RICO provisions by defining HAMAS as an enterprise (about page 10 of the indictment) which it unquestioningly is, and showing that the actions of the enterprise constitute a racketeering conspiracy. This allows actions before 1995(when HAMAS was declared a terrorist organization) to be used in evidence.
Clinton fans can note:
1. Bill Clinton was the one who issued the exec order declaring HAMAS a terrorist org
2. The HAMAS people are also charged with making false statements and obstruction of justice in a civil suit (which is what Bill was charged with - the civil suit being the Paula Jones suit). This is on page 33. I spoke with the attorney who was suing the HAMAS guys for killing an American citizen in Israel (this latter suit was filed in 2000).
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The fact that the lefties really do need Bill Clinton's stamp of approval before they feel free to be happy about the arrests of Hamas members is rich. Hamas is a group that is against everything that they "supposedly" stand for - women's rights, abortion rights, gay rights, peace, love and happiness, and forcing religion down everyone's throat.
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Clinton also signed legislation to lower capital gains taxes and also signed legislation on welfare reform that has been quite successful. He also signed a NAFTA agreement and the GATT.
Also, while he was president Wisc went to the Rose Bowl twice and Northwestern went once.
Iranian President Mohammad Khatami said Monday that his government is not supporting the uprising by Iraqi cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, and blamed U.S. troops for the fighting in the Shiite holy city of Najaf, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported. "Pay no attention to that turban behind the curtain!We have never taken sides in favor or against any group or faction in Iraq," Khatami was quoted as telling reporters just before his lips fell off when asked if Iran backs al-Sadr, whose militiamen are battling with U.S. and Iraqi government forces in Najaf and elsewhere. He also stated that the sun rises in the west and that he has some good vaction time-share opportunities still available.
The reporter should have asked the following of Khatami:
"Does Iran supports Hizbullah? If so does the fact that there are hizbullah fighters in Najaf fighting for as-Sadr mean Iran is now at war with the US in Iraq?"
Iran said Sunday that it plans to build a second nuclear reactor with Russia's help and that at least two other European states have expressed interest in such a project, brushing aside U.S. accusations that the Islamic state wants to build atomic weapons. Russia is building Iran's first nuclear reactor, which was begun by West Germany but interrupted during the 1979 Islamic revolution. Damage caused to the nearly completed facility in Bushehr during Iran's 1980-88 war with Iraq also led to the postponement of its planned inauguration from 2003 to August 2006.
No estimate yet on how long it will be closed after the impending Israeli raid.
Despite the delays and the project's $800 million cost, Iranian nuclear officials say they want Russia to build more nuclear reactors to help generate greater amounts of electricity. The comments Sunday reflect Iran's determination to push ahead with its nuclear program despite U.S. and international concerns that it seeks to develop nuclear weapons. The United States has been lobbying for the International Atomic Energy Agency to refer Iran's nuclear dossier to the Security Council, which could impose sanctions. Tehran denies seeking to develop weapons.
"Lies! All lies!"
Asadollah Sabouri, deputy head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran, did not say when construction might begin but insisted Russia was obligated to build more than one nuclear reactor under a 1992 agreement between the two countries. "We have contracts with Russia to build more nuclear reactors. No number has been specified but definitely our contract with Russia is to build more than one nuclear power plant," Sabouri said, adding that Tehran has carried out several studies and technical reports for the construction of new facilities.
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That oddly subdued but energetic scrabbling noise that you hear in the background is Israel hurriedly scraping together twice the number of components needed for their new latest build of the Popeye cruise missile.
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IIRC, the sat images of the Busher reactor shows the completed containment building on the left with piping to the water"s edge> There is another containment building under construction on the right< but unfinished. Maybe this is the one> My keyboard just went Tango U.
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According to the NZ Herald, Iranian Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi arrives today in New Zealand for talks on economic co-operation with PM Helen Clark. Nearly fell off my chair.
It makes me think that the above plans are just a cover and here's what is really going to happen:
Kamal: We live in dangerous times, most-esteemed Prime Minister.
Helen: Call me Helen. You don't mind if I call you Kamal, do you?
Kamal: Er.... yes, quite. You have proven yourself a true friend of all Muslims with your brave challenge to the Zionist Entity.
Helen: It's about time somebody on this side of the world stood up to them.
Kamal: Now regarding the economic cooperation, I wont beat about the bush. Regular trade aside, our most vital need is in the field of nuclear technology. We need a secure place to continue our research and development in this field away from the prying eyes of the world.
Helen: I understand you perfectly, Kamal, and rest assured that you will have our full cooperation. It is alright if I call you Kamal, isn't it?
Kamal: Er....
Helen: It is an excellent idea. You will be able, in time, to stand up to those intolerable Israelis.
Kamal: You understand, of course, most esteemed Prime Minister, the need for absolute secrecy?
Helen: Absolutely. There is one problem, however. It goes without saying that our Labour government needs to stay in power to achieve these and other ends, and we have powerful opponents.
Kamal: How many Muslims do you have in New Zealand?
Helen: 35 000. But not all are citizens.
Kamal: No matter, this is an excellent start. The plant we envisage building here will require experienced staff from Iran. Now all that is required is for you to facilitate the speedy bestowal of citizenship on them and on those Muslims here who do not yet have it. Leave it up to me to spread the word among the community here as to the correct way to vote. And I'm sure you will agree that it is vital that immigration of Muslims from Iran and other Muslim countries be speeded up.
Helen: Praise be to Allah, Kamal!
Kamal: Helen, God is great!
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You don't suppose it meant to type Dachau? You'd think it would be ashamed to demonstrate its stupidity in public, not to mention its obsession with Biblically forbidden behaviour. Ick.
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Gentle - it ain't reciprocity. It's called making yourself a legitimate and prime target for preemptive action. Iran's mullah's have simply issued the latest chapter of one of the longest suicide notes in history.
As a side note - do you think their promises to nuke Isreal are admirable? Are they wise? Which way do the prevailing winds blow in your area (I'm thinking about the distribution of nuclear fallout emanating from Iran - you should too)?
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Israel has already publically stated that it will under no
circumstances allow Iran's reactors to go critical.
I don't see how that can be anymore plain.
To allow fanatical death cult follwers the ability to destroy on a vast scale, means they will.
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In a touch of fitting irony, not only is Iran among one of the first and foremost countries in dire need of bombing but they are also, quite easily, the one most deserving of it as well.
The difference, however subtle, is distinct in that Iran's strategic threat warrants their destruction but it is also their support of international terrorism and abject violation of all human rights which makes them merit such devastation so richly.
That they continue to threaten all and sundry in the most belligerent manner imaginable only causes their downfall to be that much more imperative.
It is not just the Iranian mullahs who must be brought up on charges of crimes against humanity. Such untold hardship that soon shall be borne by Iran's people has also been fostered through conscienceless pandering to the mullahs power-mad dreams by Russia's RasPutin. All of these remorseless conspirators should be brought to account for this completely avoidable travesty.
Note to Gentle: Just as Iran is uncontaminated by synagogues, so is Israel untainted by any proclamations of intent to anihilate its surrounding Arab neighbors. It is this critical difference that warrants both Israel's possession of nuclear weapons and the forceful denial of Iran's aspirations for them.
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Iran's actions imply that they feel utterly safe at least until after the US election in November. They remind me of a kid standing on a main street playing "neener-neener-neener" with oncoming tractor-trailers.
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who the hell is this dacua forever???
sure doesn't know the english lang and sure the hell no muckadoo...
nice tag sadist - dacua forever...i hope a cruise missle finds your scaggly ass...
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Gentle (choke! choke!) - so what do you mean by Reciprocity???
if it is anything but love and peace your a fraud..always posting how much islam is about peace and tolerance...then you show your true colors...seems strange also you start posting about the same time Anti-War stops..(well at least not posting as much as before)..
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You call the Islam bombs "reciprocity" and dare to call yourself "Gentle?"
What a hypocrite!
I knew you believed in violent jihad and the forceful subjugation and murder of infidels, but were just posturing as a member of the Religion of Pieces!
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Studies done during the 1970's estimated that 600 equivilent megatons could destroy 30-50% of the manufacturing capability & population of either the USA or Soviet Union. Another study done by the OTA on the effects of nuclear war predicted fatalities ranging from 30 to 77 percent in the US from a Soviet first strike. These studies should be made available to the Iranians before they make one of those mistakes that carry a death sentence
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wow, Gentle and fellow troll in the same sinktrap-enabled post....reachng to flush.....
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HEY .com 2004 THERE ARE OVER 765 LANGUAGES IN THIS LAND OF IMMIGRANTS AND ANGLISE IS NOT MINE THAT IS FOR SHURE , BECOUSE MINE GRAMMATICAL LIMITATIONS SUCK MY D@#$ AND SHUT UP AND TAKE MY COMPLAINING IN SILENT OR GO TO BLOW YSRA D#$@S
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YSRAELY SHOULD SHUT THEIR FAGOTY IN INCOGNITO MOUTHS BECOUSE IF WAS NOT FOR MY AMERICAN TAXES THEY WILL BE SUCKING PALL PENIS, THAT SCUM ARE ONLY 2% AND THE TIME IS COME TO STOP THEIR INTERFERENCE IN AMERICA FOREING AFAIRS
"We would like to say that Islam cares much for keeping the environment clean and pure so that man can lead a better and healthy life free from any diseases or illnesses. However, in case these nuclear weapons are used against Muslims, it becomes permissible for Muslims to defend themselves using the same weapon. This is based on the words of Allah: "If ye punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith ye were afflicted." (An-Nahl: 126) Besides, reciprocity is surely a principle known to all members of the international community. Again, we stress the fact that all problems are to be solved in a peaceful way. Once we have no other choice but to fight, we are to defend ourselves, children, women and lands."
When's this process of all problems being addressed in a peaceful way gonna start?
BTW, Gentle: Please enter the link to your posts, not just the name of the site.
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Then you'll die, I'll die, everybody will die. All life, so far as we've discovered, will cease to exist. I'm cool with that. But we won't die muzlim.
Al Qaeda runs a clandestine travel service, partnered with human smugglers south of the US border, and which helps move its terrorists around the world, according to results of a probe made public here. The national commission that investigated the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States disclosed its findings in a new report released over the weekend as its last act before formally disbanding. "There are uncorroborated law enforcement reports suggesting that associates of Al Qaeda used smugglers in Latin America to travel through the region in 2002, before traveling onward to the United States," the panel said, without offering any specifics. The disclosure comes as several key financial and government institutions in New York, northern New Jersey and Washington, including International Monetary Fund and World Bank headquarters, remain on heightened security alert, following reports that suspected terrorists were casing the buildings early this year.
The US Border Patrol has also begun using pilotless "Predator" aircraft to patrol the Arizona stretch of the US border with Mexico, where humans have been smuggled for decades. So far, however, only one human smuggler, known as Salim Boughader-Mucharafille, a Tijuana restaurateur, has been tried, convicted and sentenced. He was found guilty of helping at least 80 Lebanese nationals to cross the US-Mexican border into California since late 1999, and was sentenced to 11 months in jail. He has since been released and deported to Mexico, where he faces criminal charges along with other alleged members of his smuggling ring.
Determined to send its agents all around the world, Al Qaeda put a premium on creating false travel documents and identity cards, according to the report. Prior to the 2001 US invasion of Afghanistan, it operated a secret office in the southern Afghan city of Kandahar, headed by Mohammed Atef, the late chief of Al Qaeda's military operations, which specialized in producing forged passports, visas and other travel documents. To have a steady supply of identity papers, Al Qaeda required those coming to fight in Afghanistan to turn in their passports before going to the front lines. If they were killed, their documents were recycled for use by others, investigators pointed out. After US troops occupied Kandahar, the office moved first to Zormat in Paktia province and then to the Pakistani city of Karachi.
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...Sadly, not the classic series of WWII propaganda films, but instead from "Al-Jundi Al-Muslim" (The Muslim Soldier), published by the Saudi MOD and translated by the good folks at MEMRI. (EFL, RTWT)
"The majority of revolutions, coups d'etat, and wars which have occurred in the world [in the past], those that are occurring, and those that will occur, are almost entirely the handiwork of the Jews.
Can't argue with that statement, by Gum! But then, you can't really argue with any statement that doesn't make any sense.
They [the Jews] turned to [these methods] in order to implement the injunctions of the fabricated Torah, the Talmud, and the "Protocols [of the Elders of Zion"], all of which command the destruction of all non-Jews in order to achieve their goal - namely, world domination.
I find it amusing that the Islamists bought the bunk of the Protocols to the extent that they actually went out and set up their own Learned Elders of Islam to counter it...
"In addition, they aspire to dominate the world in material, cultural, and spiritual terms in order to annihilate it.
If they annihilate it, what good does it do them to dominate it? If I were to set up the Learned Elders of Agnosticism and set out to dominate the world, I'd want the world to be fat and happy and rolling in dough so that I was fat and happy and rolling in dough.
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"The majority of revolutions, coups d?etat, and wars which have occurred in the world [in the past], those that are occurring, and those that will occur, are almost entirely the handiwork of the Jews. They [the Jews] turned to [these methods] in order to implement the injunctions of the fabricated Torah, the Talmud, and the ?Protocols [of the Elders of Zion?], all of which command the destruction of all non-Jews in order to achieve their goal - namely, world domination."
I am no psychiatrist but isn't this what they call projection?
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Fred - It's an interesting family... here's her adopted sister. There was something about her that they found familiar and endearing, I guess.
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Wow. How paranoid and impotent these people must be. How pathetic that "Jew-as-common-enemy" is the best they can do to create any sort of Muslim cohesion. What a vacuous, maladaptive culture they have produced. If they saw it for what it truly is, they'd all commit suicide. And when they reached paradise, the virgins, in a mass showing of good sense, would all have "headaches" for eternity.
Anyway, if they really think Jews are taking over the world, wouldn't a better strategy be to get on their good side?! ;o)
Saudi Arabia this week launched a $1 million radio advertising campaign designed to improve the desert kingdom's public image in the United States. The ads point out the Sept. 11 commission's finding that the Saudi government was not involved in terrorist attacks (the ad probably won't mention that quasi govt groups financed the Wahabi madrassas the trained the terrorists)
upon the United States
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Maybe they should try Woody Allen. Nah, nobody could be that stupid.
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Michael & Janet Jackson. She could talk about how they hold women so high.
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Janet sez the evil moronic chimp mastermind Hitler Bush used the flashing of her boob to distract from Iraq...no, really....Ok, obviously her CD's suck and she's not doing any more NFL game shows, so she's hoping to get on the pro-Kerry Springsteen tour, as "guest breast" for publicity
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What isn't?
A leading Palestinian Muslim cleric said on Monday that a hunger strike by nearly 3000 Palestinian prisoners was a form of jihad, or Islamic holy struggle, and any who die will be considered martyrs. "This is a type of legitimate jihad," Sheikh Tayseer al-Tamimi, head of the Higher Council for Islamic Jurisprudence, told family members of the prisoners. "If any one of them is martyred, God forbid, it will be as if he were martyred on the field of battle and the occupation authority will be considered the true killer." That's "Zionist Authority", holy man. Get your Struggle terms straight, willya?
Around 2800 prisoners, seen by Palestinians as symbols of resistance to Israeli occupation, are refusing food to demand wardens stop strip searches, allow more frequent family visits, improve sanitation and install public telephones. Israeli officials call the liquids-only fast that began on August 15 with 1500 hunger strikers a ploy by prisoners to secure easier communication with militant groups waging a nearly four-year-old uprising. About 7000 Palestinians, excluding common criminals, are held in Israeli jails. There's a difference?
Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Korei said Palestinians would ask the United Nations to hold a special session to discuss the prisoners, and blamed Israel for any potential harm to them. "Israel bears full responsibility of any dangers that could harm the strugglers," Korei told reporters. Ooooh, the UN. Next stop, the Arab League? Continued on Page 49
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Hmmm. This jihad stuff is actually pretty simple, it seems. I want another cigarette - but instead I'll declare a 15 minute jihad on them. Then I'll have one. But for those 15 minutes, whoa baby!, all cigarettes had better watch out and lay low! And if it kills me to wait 15 minutes - boom! virgins! Uh, hang on a minute Guv - I don't share Mohammed's whacked-out virgin psychosis - I want a 33 year old Pro who can leave a smile on my face that even the mortician can't do anything about. I guess I'll have to find another ideology. Sigh. And another one bites the dust.
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"the prisoners have threatened to form human pyramids and have a tabacco-smoking female humiliate them while they are naked to garner world media support not available since the notorious ahbu gharhaihb prison "scandal".
A spokespaleostinian has said that plastic bags have not yet arrived and asked for donations to fund this latest PR putsch.
He went on to say that any prisoner, including the common criminals, who are the least bit embarrassed by this self-induced immolation will be considered full fledged martyrs, with all the rights and priviledges herein not withstanding their repeated suffering at the hands of the occupiers and so on and so forth, blah blah blah, etc., with a special prize for the most humiliated martyr payable from the Saddam Hussein Memorial fund for the Martyrs Foundation in Burbank Calif. "
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TGA - I'm not tellin', heh. But "Squirrely" is about to fire one up for our mutual enjoyment right now...
All his buds tell him he needs to get away from humans... There's Cracker, CokeJag, DirtHog, and Lush. Everyone picks their poison, but that's some serious peer pressure, bro!
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I like the Israeli prison administration attitude: you've got a jihad, then jihad without salt. No cheating on the hunger strike. The only hope of success is either the 'Zionist' Supreme Court or the MSM. Keep the MSM out of the prison and the prisoners can jihad and hunger strike till the cows come home.
"Another hamburger, Avnir? They're cooked to perfection on the grille."
"Don't mind if I do, Moshe. The last one, though excellent, just whetted my appetite without bedding it down. Hey, look, the smoke from the barbie is wafting into Cell Block D."
"So it is, Avnir. Let me stir it up a little. Fire for effect, ya know."
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Are you suffering from File Trickling Protocol today?
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SPo'Doom - You got it. CuteFTP is cycling thru the queue trying to do its thing, but the server, well, she must be on break. Sooner or later, it'll happen. Melike smart queuing systems, heh.
Thousands of Bangladesh opposition activists holding banners reading "Why the bombings, why the bloodshed?" protested on Monday against a deadly grenade attack as extra armed police stood by to quell violence. Go ask your local mullahs. I'm sure they might be able to tell you.
In the capital, Dhaka, more than 3,000 supporters of the main opposition Awami League staged a peaceful but noisy protest over the attack on a rally addressed by party president Sheikh Hasina two days ago that killed at least 17 and wounded more than 150. Dozens of seriously injured remained in hospital. "We want answers" and "Down with (Prime Minister) Khaleda Zia's government, long live Bangladesh," shouted the protesters, some holding black flags. Police armed with tear gas, riot shields and automatic rifles looked on. Earlier in the day, former prime minister Hasina told reporters that the government "should be ashamed of the incident and resign immediately heeding the people's voice." Mostly peaceful protests also took place in the northeastern town of Sylhet, the port city of Chittangong and other towns. But in Sherpur, a town 250 km (160 miles) northwest of Dhaka, a crude bomb was thrown at an Awami League protest, injuring one. On Sunday, Awami supporters ransacked a railway station and set fire to a train in protest. At least 50 people were injured in clashes across the country as Awami members accused the government of inaction after the attack.
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Hasina has the double disadvantage of being the daughter of Mujibur Rahman. Making East Pakistan into Bangladesh was his death sentence -- y'gotta have Dire Revenge⢠at least into several generations for something like that.
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Fred, I trust that Rahman's renaming East Pakistan as Bangladesh was his fatal error, in that it thwarted for once and all the Islamic uber-plot to reunite both Pakistans into a majestic contiguous nation ... after absorbing the pesky little strip of intervening land that separates them.
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by Dave Zirin
Sometimes we are reminded that the Olympics can serve as an international platform not only for flag waving and truck commercials, but also resistance. In an incredible piece by Grant Wahl on Sports Illustrated.com, the Iraqi Olympic Soccer team has issued a stinging rebuke to George W. Bush's attempt to use them as election year symbols.
Damn! Those stinging rebukes... ummm... sting.
Iraq's soccer squad is perhaps the surprise of the entire Olympics, advancing to this weekend's quarterfinals despite the war and occupation that has gripped their country for the last 17 months. Yet amidst cheers and triumph, they were infuriated to learn that Bush's brain, Karl Rove, had launched campaign ads featuring their Olympic glory as a brilliant by-product of the war on terror. The commercial, subtle as a blowtorch, begins with an image of the Afghani and Iraqi flags with a voice over saying, "At this Olympics there will be two more free nations -- and two fewer terrorist regimes."
As far as I can recall, that's a true statement. Which part isn't? I don't know that I'd call it a "brilliant" by-product, maybe, but I'd certainly call it a happy one...
Bush has also been exploiting their exploits in stump speeches. Much more comfortable talking sports than foreign policy or stem-cell research, Bush brayed with bravado in Oregon, "The image of the Iraqi soccer team playing in this Olympics, it's fantastic, isn't it? It wouldn't have been free if the United States had not acted."
Bush's statement is a true statement. The author's statement is a not-true statement. He's still pushing the "Bush is stoopid" line...
Posted by: Murat ||
08/23/2004 8:06:53 AM ||
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Food for thought: maybe the soccer team for an independent Kurdistan would rebuke us less harshly.
Posted by: Super Hose ||
08/23/2004 9:16 Comments ||
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At least criticising Bush won't result in someone igniting the blow torch on their return.
Posted by: Howard UK ||
08/23/2004 9:46 Comments ||
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Amazing that we've never heard them speak out before. Guess they were to busy really trying to win to stay out of the wood chippers of Uday! Note how they're now labelled "resistance fighters." Yeah, and America has "destroyed everything" in Iraq. Guess that's why there are more schools, more power, more water, etc., etc. than before the war! Guess we should blame all that good on Halliburton.
Posted by: BA ||
08/23/2004 9:48 Comments ||
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Murat liked it better when the Iraqi soccer team had an iron maiden as part of its training regimen.
Posted by: Robert Crawford ||
08/23/2004 9:51 Comments ||
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Any articles on the Armenian soccer team's thoughts on anything, douchebag?
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I shall highlight a small part of the text FYI: "To be clear, Iraqâs team is not pining for former Olympic head Uday Hussein, notorious for torturing athletes that under performed. Yet they donât feel their choice has to be between Udayâs way and the bloodbath that has been visited upon their country."
Posted by: Murat ||
08/23/2004 10:01 Comments ||
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We didn't visit a bloodbath upon Iraq--quite the contrary!
We did everything possible to keep casualties on both sides to a minimum.
That's why they haven't had to dig mass graves for OIF either after the March up to Baghdad or in the ensuing months after.
Even "Shock and Awe" was mainly for the psychological effect, using pinpoint "smart bombs" on Saddam's palaces and government buildings that were empty and/or staffed by a few Baathist staff.
Get a grip, Murat!
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I think that what Bush said in his ads is perfectly true, and he has every right to say it.
OTOH, I would understand that Iraqi athletes arent comfortable being politicized - they want to represent ALL Iraqis.
I wouldnt assume that common dreams quotes represent EVERYONE on the team (not particularly unbiased news source there) , but its not surprising that some are unhappy with the US intervention. That would be in line with the mixed state of opinion in Iraq.
Wishful thinking on Murat's part, but as usual, Murat fails to mention the bloodbath Sadaam and his sons and administration visited on Iraq all those years.
If the soccer team doesn't miss Uday Hussein, I wonder who they have to thank for that. Important to remember that the present soccer team is made up of Sadaam supporters/subserviants. This will change OVER TIME (in about 10 years).
Personally, these guys make me wretch--dickless wonders of the Islamic world. Totally unappreciative of the freedom they now have--freedom that they did nothing to earn, nor would they have even tried. Selfish, elitist bastards, the lot of them. They care nothing for the people of Iraq--just their cushy lifestyles.
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This one I like too, it represents exactly the same question I have on my lips: "Without WMDs, Al-Qaeda connections, and with an Iraqi populace that overwhelmingly views the U.S. as occupiers and not liberators, what possible justification does Bush - and Kerry - have for supporting this invasion that has cost hundreds of billions of dollars and countless lives?"
Posted by: Murat ||
08/23/2004 10:20 Comments ||
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Murat: Yet they donât feel their choice has to be between Udayâs way and the bloodbath that has been visited upon their country.
Of course - they did not like working for Uday, but they did not want to lose their regular Baath Party jobs either.
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ex-lib: Personally, these guys make me wretch--dickless wonders of the Islamic world. Totally unappreciative of the freedom they now have--freedom that they did nothing to earn, nor would they have even tried. Selfish, elitist bastards, the lot of them. They care nothing for the people of Iraq--just their cushy lifestyles.
Baath Party members and jihadists cannot be expected to be grateful - for them, America is the Great Satan.
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Murat--So at least a handful of them aren't happy with what the US has done. Bully for them--they have a right to their opinions, but what they and people like you choose to ignore is that now they can express those opinions without being imprisoned, tortured, and/or executed.
Another thing they and you like to ignore is that the US is responding to the violence initiated by your Islamic brothers who can't stand the idea of a free Iraq and will do anything, including using women and children as human shields, to keep all of Islam in the 12th century.
I want to thank you, Murat, for reminding us what attitudes and ignorance remain out there. Obviously there is still a lot more work we have to do.
Posted by: Dar ||
08/23/2004 10:41 Comments ||
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Zhang Fei,
The one thing the ordinary American fails to see is how many Iraqi's the Americans kill how bigger the insurgence will grow. It doesn't matter whether you call these Iraqi's Baathist, Sadrists or Saddamists. The overwhelming proportion of the Iraqi people see the American army as occupator not liberator as you guys would like to. So trying to build up a so called Iraqi army to fight the Iraqi's is likely to end up like Vietnam, burning villages having blood on your hands didn't work then and won't work now.
Posted by: Murat ||
08/23/2004 10:46 Comments ||
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Dar, but what they and people like you choose to ignore is that now they can express those opinions without being imprisoned, tortured, and/or executed.
??? Of course Dar, Abu Graib was fake.
Posted by: Murat ||
08/23/2004 10:49 Comments ||
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News flash: heavy smoke is rising from the Najaf shrine.
Congrats guys, you've done it, this is like bombing the Vatican and asking the Katholics to love you, how stupid one can be bwahahaahaaa
Posted by: Murat ||
08/23/2004 10:55 Comments ||
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No, it isn't like bombing the Vatican.
Najaf isn't "holy" to me in the sense I understand that word and the mosque isn't full of fine art like Michaelangelo's Sistine Chapel Ceiling frescoes and his statue of the Pieta and Raphael's "School of Athens" fresco.
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Murat -- No, Abu Ghraib was not fake. That was a handful of idiot guards who are now being tried and punished for their actions. What they did was WRONG.
What you choose to ignore is that the abuse they inflicted on the prisoners was nothing but child's play compared to what Saddam's guards inflicted on prisoners there before the, shall we say, "change of management". And Saddam's guards would have been praised and promoted for abusing the prisoners.
Also the prisoners now in Abu Ghraib are there because they are suspected Ba'athists or terrorists--not because they dared criticize the government. This soccer player can continue to kick his little round ball bravely and criticize the US bravely. Your hero will still be free.
And, finally, if a bunch of Catholic terrorists were terrorizing and killing innocent people and holed up in the Vatican, I doubt most decent Catholics would mind all that much if the Vatican suffered some damage while the thugs were rooted out and killed. They would rightly be more concerned about the safety of the innocent civilians and preserving a decent society than keeping some lifeless, soul-less, inanimate object intact. That's what we call "priorities"--the irreplaceable life of an innocent is worth more than a pile of bricks.
It's interesting, Murat, that you're more upset about the US damaging the shrine to root out these thugs than you are about Sadr's militia defiling the shrine by fighting from within it.
Is that your world view, Murat? That wanton killing and destruction is okay if it's done by Muslims, and non-Muslims are supposed to do nothing about it? Gee, reality must really suck for you.
Posted by: Dar ||
08/23/2004 11:24 Comments ||
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Go, Dar!
Also, don't let Murat forget that Saddam himself blasted a big hole in this mosque in 1991 when he waged his domestic war to put down the Shi'ite uprising.
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Don't worry Murat, if we see that it's a lost cause, we will leave, we will protect ourselves, and we will sit back and watch as Muslims tear one another apart. Hey, just think, Al-Jazeera's ratings would go through the roof!
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Interesting isn't it that the only people interviewed in this story are from Najaf and Falujallah? The coach himself was the same person who led the team while Iraq was still under Saddam Hussein.
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"Heavy smoke is rising from the Najaf shrine" you automatically assume the US forces have bombed the shrine. It could be like in Fallujah when there was an explosion in the shrine there that actually came from the criminals stashing weapons there. Al Sistani also chastized them for deliberatley dammaging the shrine in Fallujah and blaming it on the US. Lets wait till we hear all the particulars before we start pointing fingers.
Posted by: Deacon Blues ||
08/23/2004 12:14 Comments ||
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Now how did the Iraqi soccer team learn of this US presidential campaign ad anyway? Last I checked, neither Iraq nor Athens is a swing state, so the chances of them seeing it while channel surfing in the Olympic Village is nil. So that means the reporter probably asked an extremely slanted question to provoke an extremely slanted answer. My guess is that the athletes weren't even shown the ad, just told about it. Feh.
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Iraq the Model says that the complainers are only a couple of guys. And besides, if I had a nickel for every time a US football player said something stupid on TV, I wouldn't have to post on this board.
Posted by: Matt ||
08/23/2004 12:53 Comments ||
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I wouldn't have to post on this board.
What? Are you getting a commission with each post? How do I get in on this racket?!
;-)
Posted by: Dar ||
08/23/2004 13:07 Comments ||
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Here's a different blog saying the same thing. One of the players is from fajullah (still standing, unfortunately), and the other from Najaf. The Coach is a Uday holdover who took a pay cut when his sugardaddy got ventilated.
Of course, this is just this guy's opinion, and I'm sure murat holds his opinion with as much contempt as I hold of Murat's opinion.
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Dar,
It's interesting, Murat, that you're more upset about the US damaging the shrine to root out these thugs than you are about Sadr's militia defiling the shrine by fighting from within it.
Is that your world view, Murat? That wanton killing and destruction is okay if it's done by Muslims, and non-Muslims are supposed to do nothing about it? Gee, reality must really suck for you.
Twice you got wrong Dar, 1) I wouldnât give a damn about the shrine since I am not a Shia. But 2) yeah I regard it stupid when non-muslim Americans demolish it, for the very reason that America demolishes her own image as the country of Freedom, that image she tried to build up since WW2 is shattered into pieces (actually I find that very amusing) because of a moron that is your president at the present.
Posted by: Murat ||
08/23/2004 13:20 Comments ||
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Murat: But 2) yeah I regard it stupid when non-muslim Americans demolish it, for the very reason that America demolishes her own image as the country of Freedom, that image she tried to build up since WW2 is shattered into pieces (actually I find that very amusing) because of a moron that is your president at the present.
Yeah, that moron that actually made it (with pretty good grades) through Yale w/ a MBA? You mean that moron? And you just proved Dar's point in that you believe that America's image is more important than her security! In your world, I guess there are some things that just aren't worth the cost in $ and lives, but we here believe in freedom and will die defending it. As the all important saying goes, "I may not agree with what you're saying, but I will fight and die to defend your right to say it!"
Posted by: BA ||
08/23/2004 13:30 Comments ||
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America is the land of Freedom but if you come over here and demolish our buildings--the World Trade Center was holy to us-- and kill thousands of our cilivians then we're going to come after you and if you happen to be holed up in a military siege in your "holy" shrine which you're using as an arsenal and a center of disseminating hate, then that's where we'll take the battle.
And President Bush is a political genius and what's more, he has vision and real wisdom which is far more valuable than university degrees and IQ numbers!
Muslim culture is not worth spit. Most certainly Muslims are not worth the spilling of even a drop of American military blood. We don't fight to save Muslim culture. We fight to save Western Civilization. We fight in Iraq in the hope we can prevent a fight on American soil.
Posted by: Mark ||
08/23/2004 14:40 Comments ||
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MuRAT: "I may not agree with what you're saying, but I will fight and die to defend your right to say it!" OK I say it, F@ck you, you'll die for me pffft save your own ass buthead.
Oh, and yeah, Bush is the moron, eh? Real mature! But, hey, if you don't want us to save you, just say so! I'll gladly watch as you guys tear each other apart in civil war. If everyone in Iraq feels the way MuRAT does (even though I know they don't), i say let's bring the boys home and let 'em kill each other. Funny all the irony (much like the story breaking today about another "honor killing" when "gentle" is spouting that that never happens in the ROP) that there's a story (linked at Pg. 1 I think) that quotes guys on the ground saying how much the Fallujah civilians are WANTING us to take the shrine and in fact, guys on patrol are now seeing citizens out on rugs watching the AC-130s reign at night! MuRAT, guess that proves wrong your point that the Iraqis want us out. Long live Kurdistan!
Posted by: BA ||
08/23/2004 14:44 Comments ||
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Murat--Do you offer anything other than pointing out that not everybody loves the US? Do you have any solutions? Do you care about anything other than seeing the US look bad?
Were you happy to see Saddam Hussein in power? Were you happy to see him imprison, torture, and kill so many Iraqis? Are you happy to see the Iraqis continue to suffer? Do you like anything other than pointing out the world is not perfect and it's always our fault?
Everything I see from you is against something--are you FOR anything?
Posted by: Dar ||
08/23/2004 15:19 Comments ||
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OK I say it, F@ck you, you'll die for me pffft save your own ass buthead.
Ever the intellectual and diplomat, eh, MuRAT?
Posted by: Robert Crawford ||
08/23/2004 15:22 Comments ||
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A soccer team usually has about 22 players (11 on the field). So 2 players plus the coach spoke out.
I'm not impressed. I have listened to many German soccer players:
"I wanna play for Madrid or Milan, the important thing is that it's Italy"
A Christian school that shut down after Islamic militants stormed its campus two years ago and killed six people has reopened with the unveiling of a plaque to commemorate the dead. Pakistan's Education Minister Zobaida Jalal joined teachers, dozens of students and parents for a small ceremony Sunday at the Murree Christian School in this scenic hill town about 35 miles northeast of the capital, Islamabad. The school, dominated by an imposing stone and stain-glassed church, has educated children of Christian missionaries, mostly foreigners, for nearly a half century. But it was closed for two years after the Aug. 5, 2002, attack, when masked gunmen heroically stormed its front gates firing AK-47 rifles, killing six Pakistani workers at the school.
Jalal unveiled a gold-color plaque with names of the dead. Luke Cutherell, the chairman of the school's directors, paid tribute to the sacrifice of the victims. "That we, as an educational institution, will carry on, is an indication that we have not been overcome by evil," he said. Islamic militants have staged several attacks on minority Christians in Pakistan, as well as against Westerners, since President Gen. Pervez Musharraf decided to become an ally in the U.S.-led war on terror in late 2001. Days after the attack in Murree, militants heroically tossed grenades at a church in the grounds of a Presbyterian hospital in Taxila, west of Islamabad, killing four nurses.
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08/23/2004 6:37:59 AM ||
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Do these guys also blow up Moslem schools? Oh, I forgot. This has NOTHING to do with religion. Sorry--don't know what I was thinking.
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This is terrible if the author is credible and the information is true. It seems that the author has documented and named her sources. Quite frankly I had no idea that DU was still being used or that we had allowed Israel to use DU or that our vets from Gulf War I and the current Iraq War had such unusually high rates of medical problems or that their wives and children had suffered serious side effects. Am I the only one who is shocked by the health dangers our troops are required to face. And why all the secrecy in this day and age of gov't transparency? Why do our Congressmen set up commissions to investigate panties on the head at Abu but none of them have looked out for our own soldiers? This really steams me.
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08/23/2004 5:04 Comments ||
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Mostly rex because this is totally false
This is typical LLL enviro-wackyness because the U in DU stands for Urainium it has to be double plus bad. There is no evidence that this is "bad stuff" unless you are on the catching end in emnemy armor. Then you are screwed, end of story.
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Sock Puppet of Doom YOUR STUPIDITY IS AS LARGE AS THE ALIAS THAT YOU CHOOSE TO PRESENT YOURSELF DO NOT EVER USE THE WORD FALSE JUST BECOUSE YOUR BLIND IDOLATRY TO YOUR MORON IN CHIEF AND ALL IS GANG OF LACKEYS ARMY BRASS IS DICTATING SO
Posted by: PLEASE SUPPORT THE TROUPS ||
08/23/2004 6:05 Comments ||
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PSTT - Have a word with the nurse. I think it's time to start upping the dose again.
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LOL another good call Bulldog! PSTT use some new words when trying to rant. If you use: IDOLATRY, LACKEYS, etc. everyone is knows that you are a DU idiot. Also upping the meds might make those voices go away.
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HAving worked in the nuclear industry, specifically with depleted uranium, I am very skeptical of this article. the only way to get depleted uranium into the body is injest it. I really don't think soldiers are eating it. I think this story is based on inuendo.
Posted by: Deacon Blues ||
08/23/2004 7:33 Comments ||
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The dangers of DU is an old moonbat bete noir. One of the minor things to come out of the removal of the Ba'ath regime in Iraq was the revelation that the birth-defect rates that the DU chickenlittles were using in their "studies" were better-mapped to areas where poison battle-gasses were used extensively during the wars of the 1980s.
I wouldn't want to gargle with DU, but I'd be more worried about asbestos, if I were you. Especially if you were on-site at the WTC.
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Sock Puppet of Doom/FB93268 nailed it! (I love it!)
And Bulldog, hilarious comeback...I'm still laughing...LOL!
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The only way that depleted uranium rounds can hurt you is if they're coming at you at 4000 fps because they've been fired out of a cannon. Hint: it's the kinetic energy, not the radioactivity, that you need to worry about.
Please learn to spell "THE TROOPS" if you really want to support them.
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08/23/2004 9:17 Comments ||
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Once again, here are some facts about depleted uranium (from the World Health Org., not exactly a VRWC member!)
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'Round about the age of ten, I personally handled a large chunk of DU. It was in a kid's museum; they had a half dozen cylinders of different metals, all the same volume. There was aluminum, steel, lead, and depleted uranium in the display.
rex -- pull your head out of your ass. You're starting to show signs of oxygen deprivation.
Posted by: Robert Crawford ||
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There's no moron in this story except the poster. Another example of how lefties lives in a fictional universe of their own fevered imagination.
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rex: This is terrible if the author is credible and the information is true. It seems that the author has documented and named her sources. Quite frankly I had no idea that DU was still being used or that we had allowed Israel to use DU or that our vets from Gulf War I and the current Iraq War had such unusually high rates of medical problems or that their wives and children had suffered serious side effects. Am I the only one who is shocked by the health dangers our troops are required to face. And why all the secrecy in this day and age of gov't transparency? Why do our Congressmen set up commissions to investigate panties on the head at Abu but none of them have looked out for our own soldiers? This really steams me.
Rex appears to believe that making intellectual arguments consists of using as his sources the New York Times and left-wing journals. He would be better off reading the original scholarship instead of having it filtered through the reality distortion field of the liberal media.
Bottom line, in NATO, you either use DU rounds or Tungsten rounds. Tungsten, like most of Europe, is soft. DU kills armor, effectively. DU also has less than, I believe, background radiation, on account of it, being, well, depleted.
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08/23/2004 9:47 Comments ||
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ZF, Could rex have been sarcastic? Until yesterday, I wouldn't have had any doubt.
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Rex:
ONce again you gullibly swallow the left's standard swill, uncritiaclly, hook line and sinker.
You have just disproven any of your claims ot be a conservative.
You're simply a false flag leftist, trying to disrupt. Witness your behavior yesterday and your utter inability to address any of the salient points brought up, and your ignoring what you cannot handle, descedning into ad hominem attacks, gross fallacies of argumentation, and severe evasivelness. These are all the signs of a weak mind or else a troll.
You give me no reasons to consider you anything more than a troll, or else a moral coward.
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AFAIK, the main hazard from DU comes from its chemical toxicity, not radiation. Like lead and cadmium, it is one of the heavy metals; you wouldn't want to eat it, breathe the dust, or dump a solution of it into the water supply.
As to DU's radiation hazard, it emits primarily alpha particles. These do not have significant penetrating power, hence the use of DU as a radiation shielding material in medical instrumentation: its extreme density provides excellent shielding from beta or gamma radiation sources, while its own alpha emissions can be effectively blocked by as little as a coat of paint.
The only other danger posed by DU is that contemplation of the substance has been proven to cause insanity in individuals in which other disease precursors (Leftism, stupidity, ignorance, gullibility, etc.) are present. The chronic form of the disease has no known cure; with the acute form, the introduction of bright, shiny objects can sometimes mitigate the symptoms for brief periods.
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#4 Sock Puppet of Doom YOUR STUPIDITY IS AS LARGE AS THE ALIAS THAT YOU CHOOSE.... In that case, PLEASE SUPPORT THE TROUPS, you win the STUPIDITY contest by six letters.
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Okay....everybody sit down, especially you, rex. There's gonna be a test afterwards.
I'm Professor Mike - USAF Munitions Specialist, retired. I've got some experience with DU ammo - A-10s at Shaw AFB, SC (21 TFS and 55 FS)for three years, along with three trips to Red Flag as Munitions Line Delivery Supervisor. In addition, I was responsible for the transport, storage and inspection of more than fifty million rounds of DU ammo at Prince Sultan AB, Saudi Arabia, Jan -Aug 95. This article isn't an article - it's a rant, and not a good one, either. I don't know where to even begin with this thing - I feel like Tom Wolfe's description of the Fool Killer, "so overwhelmed by the magnitude of the opportunity that all he could do was shake his head, lower his club, and walk away."
That doesn't mean I'm not gonna try.*G*
Vast regions in the Middle East and Central Asia have been permanently contaminated with radiation.
No they haven't. For the LAST F**KING TIME: there is an extremely brief burst of gamma radiation on impact. That's IT. Some residue will fall outside the target, and REMAINS within arm's reach of the impact point regadless of fire or smoke. Plow it up, kick it up, even let it dry up and blow away and it is utterly HARMLESS. Reach down and ingest huge amounts of the dirt and you will become far sicker from the dirt than you ever will from the DU residue.
Terry Jemison of the Department of Veterans Affairs reported this week to the American Free Press that ?Gulf-era veterans? now on medical disability since 1991 number 518,739, with only 7,035 reported wounded in Iraq in that same 14-year period.
Well, you dumb shit, how many people got OUT of the military in the 14 year period? And what are those disabilities FOR? I notice she didn't elaborate on that. And BTW, although this is purely anecdotal, I have known people who have handled and worked with DU ammo for decades and have NEVER known one who developed a problem that could even be remotely linked to it.
In a group of 251 soldiers from a study group in Mississippi who had all had normal babies before the Gulf War, 67 percent of their post-war babies were born with severe birth defects.
Let me get this straight - in a nation where a relative handful of problems at Love Canal was national news for years and only the POSSIBILITY of problems at Times Beach, Mississippi caused the evacuation and destruction of that town, NOBODY has picked up on this?..
Just asking.
Military research report summaries detail the testing of DU from 1974-1999 at military testing grounds, bombing and gunnery ranges and at civilian labs under contract. Today 42 states are contaminated with DU from manufacture, testing and deployment.
There are two - count 'em, TWO - ranges in the US where DU rounds are fired. I know people who work at the largest of them at Eglin AFB in FL. There is a greater health hazard from pesticide residues that drift in from OFF base than there is from any DU residue. BTW - the last live DU firing was sometime in the late 90s. There are only two plants in the US that manufacture the stuff - IIRC Honeywell and Aerojet General. Anywhere else that DU systems are fired, they use STEEL training rounds. I know, I've helped process and load several million of them. Now this dumb shit needs to account for the other 38 states.
Medical professionals in hospitals and facilities treating returning soldiers were threatened with $10,000 fines if they talked about the soldiers or their medical problems. They were also threatened with jail.
Let me get this straight - NOBODY has talked about this, but Abu Ghraib won't freaking die...
Sen. Paul Wellstone informed Joyce Riley, R.N., B.S.N., executive director of the American Gulf War Veterans Association, that 95 percent of Gulf War veterans had been recycled out of the military by 1995. Any of those continuing in military service were isolated from each other, preventing critical information being transferred to new troops.
Because they GOT OUT OF THE GODDAMNED SERVICE, you idiot!!!! And obviously, these folks haven't seen the huge number of Gulf War vets interviewed in combat on CNN or Fox.
atomicity
WTF?
And I'm not even going to get into the list of references she posts. My blood pressure is high enough.
Bottom line, rex: This nice lady and her article are so full of shit, her eyes are brown. I know, I've been there/done that. This is the same recycled crap that's been going around ever since the Soviets started the propaganda against it in the early 70s.
And BTW - THEY were using DU rounds well before we ever thought of them.
Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski ||
08/23/2004 11:09 Comments ||
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Very Good Dave D. Depleted Uranium is basically Uranium-238. Natural Uranium is made up of mostly U-238 some U-235 and a lessor amount of highly radioactive U-234. When the U-235 is extracted for bomb making etc, the higher radioactive U-234 is filtered out with it. Leaving the "depleted" U-238; orginally not good for anything and only about half as radioactive as natural uranium. The natural uranium dust that miners breathed in enclosed spaces over decades caused NONE of the effects attributed by the Looney Left to DU. But DU, although less radioactive than natural uranium is still a heavy metal (68% denser than lead) and thus is toxic. But you'd have to eat a lot of it in a short time frame to affect you. In the same manner as lead, or mercury, or cadmium or even natural uranium.
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I'm trying to think of a stronger word than "Fisking." Obliteration? Demolition?
Posted by: Matt ||
08/23/2004 12:39 Comments ||
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GK-
Thank you sir, I do my best.*bows* Hail Rantburg!!
And Matt, I think the word you're looking for is 'execution'.
Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski ||
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Thank you Mike K. and Anonymous6150. I plan to do further research on my own.
As for ZH and Jen[the hear no evil, see no evil cheerleaders for closed minds]...do you ever get out of your closets during the day? Do you ever read or speak to anyone other than your own bathroom mirrors?
In case you neocon groupies have not heard about Vietnam, or WW I and II, there were lots of nasty things that our own troops were exposed to and our own gov't, both Republican and Democrat, have not always been consistently careful about our grunts on the ground.
Although the lady is from Berkeley and there was a good deal of attack interwoven through her article,[that was obvious-I don't need high school drop outs to point it out to me, thank you very much] she did quote named sources and reports, which is better than what you 2 ever do, since you read nothing for fear it might "contaminate" your brains. Trust me - no worries there. Just keep looking in the mirror and talking to yourself and you will be safe.
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Mike- spot on! One tiny correction- Times Beach is in Missouri. It is such a shame that a pretty little community got closed down for years due to hysterics. A much larger community in Italy got dosed with higher amounts of PCB from an industrial accident and all they did was scrape some of the dirt in parks and school yards. No long term health effects have been noted.
#30
Rex-
You're welcome, sir. Let me point out though that although you are correct when you say:
or WW I and II, there were lots of nasty things that our own troops were exposed to and our own gov't, both Republican and Democrat, have not always been consistently careful about our grunts on the ground
There is a caveat that you need to be aware of - in the overwhelming majority of those incidents ( and most of them involve the nuke tests), the people in charge and the scientists involved simply did NOT know about said hazards until many years - and sometimes decades later. Again, I know - my father lives in fear that his presence at a 1956 Yucca Flats test may come back to haunt him. (I do want to note here that he has stayed in close contact with the men in his unit, and no one has yet developed any problems that could be connected to the tests.)
Best regards,
Mike
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08/23/2004 13:04 Comments ||
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"Leuren Moret is a geoscientist"
Oooh, what an official sounding title! Just where is this school of geoscience and what degree did this moron obtain?
#32
Leftists demonize DU for the same reason they have demonized cluster bombs, napalm, "aerial bombing" in general, and, in the 80s, the deployment of intermediate range missiles in Europe: these weapons are effective against the forces the pop-Left supports.
The IRM uproar, which we now know was a KGB promotional effort, became a conformist cause celebre on American campuses.
Among other things, literally every IRM opponent I spoke to believed that this was the first time nuclear weapons had been deployed in Europe, yet another example of subhuman Left-devil propagandists relying on gross ignorance and pseduo-elitist hubris to give their lies some kind of superficiality.
#34
If nothing else, I'd dismiss this for the very first clause of the first sentence:
Vietnam was a chemical war for oil...
Let's look at Ms. Leuren Moret's resume, shall we? A google search turns up mostly references to DU.
This bio page says: Leuren Moret is an independent scientist who works on
radiation and public health issues with communities
around the world. She earned her B.S. in Geology at
U.C. Davis in 1968, and her M.A. in Near Eastern
Studies from U.C. Berkeley in 1978. She has completed all but her dissertation for a PhD. in the Geosciences at U.C. Davis.
The words "independent scientist" ought to ring alarm bells all by themselves. UC Davis has no listing for a current student by this name, suggesting that the ABD is going to stay an ABD.
Here she is giving three (fluffy) workshops at a 2001 meeting of the Geological Society of America. The "more details" window says that she's a former president of the Association of Women Geoscientists. The AWG felt it necessary to issue a disclaimer to the effect that Moret doesn't speak for it. (It's not clear what letter they're referring to, since Moret has several web articles floating about.)
Here's a letter she wrote to Rantburg Fave Rep. Jim McDermott. It emphasizes "a blueprint for DU" in the form of a memo sent to Gen. Leslie Groves (in charge of the Manhattan Project) supposedly by Conant, Compton, and Urey (the latter two Nobel laureates; don't know how Conant escaped). The memo does discuss the possibility of the use of radioactive materials as weapons, from an offensive as well as defensive point of view (although the former is given short shrift). But you'll note that the unspecified "material" under discussion is a beta emitter, not an alpha emitter. Furthermore, the memo discusses radioactive material *as* a weapon, rather than as a side effect. Also note that the lack of protective technology cited was true as of 1943.
Here she is in July at a Symposium on Media and Disinformation. This notes that she recently testified at the International Criminal Tribunal for Afghanistan (Pres. George W. Bush sentenced Guilty for Crime of Aggression, Guilty for War Crimes, Guilty for Crimes against Humanity).
I got bored before discovered what she did at Lawrence Berkeley and Lawrence Livermore, or what "whistleblowing" she supposedly did.
In short, she is one of the Professionally Indignant, and her confusion over the contents of the Groves memo shows she's either scientifically dishonest, or incompetent.
#35
I enjoyed your post, Mike, as I'm sure many others do to. However, I feel certain it was wasted on rex. His transmitter is stuck on the transmit mode and thus he is unable to receive.
Or it might be helpful to think of him as a tape player, repeating the same ideas over and over again, with no equipment to modify the message.
rex, you've been repeating the same ideas for some time now, with no results. Since constant repetition is not working, have you tried using all caps?
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08/23/2004 13:47 Comments ||
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#36
My mind isn't closed, rex, unlike yours.
I've known my own mind for some time, but I am very well-read and informed and I am the proud earner of not one, but 2 Masters degrees, in that you're so impressed by post-graduate work but I've read more books than you've had hot dinners, some of them in French.
I can certainly tell when I'm reading crap, lies and insubstantial or otherwise unsubstantiated sh*t, thank you very much but clearly you can't--this old canard of America and Israel using DU armaments has been around for a long time.
(It's one of the arrows they pull out of their quiver when they're really desperate!)
I also think you're a troll, but worse still, I think you're a Jew-hating troll who's too craven to admit it, unlike RB's other trolls.
I'd vote for "incompetent" for Ms. Leuren Moret, M.A. I mean, a master's in Near Eastern Studies (musn't forget all those important caps) in 1978 fergawdsakes?!? My own dear mother got an M.S. and two PhDs in eleven years -- part time while rearing four kids and working in the field. I haven't her drive, but I'm not claiming to be an expert in anything 'cept life experience.
In the former battlefields, DU makes only a tiny contribution towards the already present external radiation from natural sources. However, long-lasting direct skin contact with DU ammunition fragments should be avoided.
In former battlefields, the inhalation of DU aerosols is the critical pathway for human exposure. An acute health risk is practically only to be feared from the chemical toxicity of uranium.
The ingestion of DU poses practically no danger to the population in the former theatres of war.
For the population in the former theatres of war, wound contamination by DU has no significance.
An apocalypse caused by man as a result of the use of DU ammunition in Iraq and the Balkans is not worthy of discussion!
If certain minimal precautions are taken - i.e. no trespassing on tank wrecks and no long-term contact with remaining DU ammunition fragments - the health risks of a time-limited stay in a DU-contaminated area are shown to be negligibly small, especially in comparison to other risks such as mine fields, duds, snipers, etc.
Effect on Soldiers
Before the introduction of DU weapons in the US, estimates and calculations led to the judgement that the occupants of tanks which have been hit by DU projectiles and who survived these hits without great injury, may be affected, at the most, by reversible, short-term effects on the kidneys, as well as by an irradiation below the legal yearly limit. These risks, in comparison to the other much greater risks during battle, were considered to be acceptable. These estimates are rather conservative and appear to be plausible. Medical examinations of a group of about 100 soldiers exposed to DU aerosols in their own tanks from friendly fire incidents during the Gulf War, have not discovered any health damages so far, that could be attributed to DU. Somewhat less certain is the long-term prognosis of adverse health effects for those injured by DU fragments. Up to now, in this whole group of approximately 30 people, there has also been no evidence of negative effects.
Additional and much larger groups of Gulf War veterans stayed in the vicinity of the destroyed tanks and ammunition fires or entered such places afterwards. In these cases, at the most, only rough estimates can be made, since neither measurement data on DU emissions or dose calculations have yet been published. One can estimate that the DU uptake by these groups of people was far less than by those who were directly exposed. The well-known health problems that were later observed in many Gulf War veterans, called "Gulf War Syndrome" cannot be explained by exposure to uranium, and therefore, must be attributed to other causes.
#40
Jeeez, this war thing is getting so dangerous.
I'd need some sort of general insurance against getting dead before I'd even think of it. I know! I will crank out a universal hold harmless against me... it'll stick in any court.
#43
#3 Sock Puppet of Doom: You need to get the latest edition of the Newspeak dictionary: bad has been replaced by ungood. Remember: Big Brother is watching, and he would hate for you to slip into ThoughtCrime.
#46
The chronic form of the disease has no known cure; with the acute form, the introduction of bright, shiny objects can sometimes mitigate the symptoms for brief periods.
And the award for Best Snide Comment in an Otherwise Serious Thread goes to ...
#48
I've gone through this entire thing a few times before. It's always good for a laugh or two. I think the following comment really, really sums it up perfectly:
the debate about DUâs environmental and health impacts persists, at least in part because the positions of both extremes dominating the debate are dictated more by politics and ideology than by science and common sense."
For those too lazy to do their own research, here are a list of just a few of the better sites on the subject:
I've even included a couple I disagree with, just to show that I'm not unwilling to view a "dissenting" opinion, even when I can tell within the first ten words that it's a piece of fecal matter. Enjoy the read.
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#49
suggested word: Democredibization?
Posted by: Frank G ||
08/23/2004 22:50 Comments ||
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#50
Frank - Lol! It's a bear to say, but you'll see it in a future comment, I promise!
#54
Google search for Leuren Moret
Commonly described as an "independent scientist" whatever the hell that is, she was also an environmental commissioner in Berkeley. She also claims to have worked at the Livermore NL for 2 years, and probably did since it is against the law to falsely claim this affiliation.
However, if she were any kind of legitimate scientist, her credentials would be spelled out in specific, standard terms. Was she a janitor at Livermore? A librarian (like the Moon-hoaxerBill Kaysing at Rocketdyne)?
#55
Google search for Leuren Moret
Commonly described as an "independent scientist" whatever the hell that is, she was also an environmental commissioner in Berkeley. She also claims to have worked at the Livermore NL for 2 years, and probably did since it is against the law to falsely claim this affiliation.
However, if she were any kind of legitimate scientist, her credentials would be spelled out in specific, standard terms. Was she a janitor at Livermore? A librarian (like the Moon-hoaxerBill Kaysing at Rocketdyne)?
#56
Google search for Leuren Moret
Commonly described as an "independent scientist" whatever the hell that is, she was also an environmental commissioner in Berkeley. She also claims to have worked at the Livermore NL for 2 years, and probably did since it is against the law to falsely claim this affiliation.
However, if she were any kind of legitimate scientist, her credentials would be spelled out in specific, standard terms. Was she a janitor at Livermore? A librarian (like the Moon-hoaxerBill Kaysing at Rocketdyne)?
#57
Google search for Leuren Moret
Commonly described as an "independent scientist" whatever the hell that is, she was also an environmental commissioner in Berkeley. She also claims to have worked at the Livermore NL for 2 years, and probably did since it is against the law to falsely claim this affiliation.
However, if she were any kind of legitimate scientist, her credentials would be spelled out in specific, standard terms. Was she a janitor at Livermore? A librarian (like the Moon-hoaxerBill Kaysing at Rocketdyne)?
Members of Somalia's new transitional parliament were sworn in Sunday, a key step toward establishing its first national government since 1991. But a dispute within one of the country's main clans over its delegates threatened to scuttle the peace process, mediators said.
Comes as a surprise, doesn't it?
The new parliament is the product of nearly two years of talks in Kenya among clan leaders, religious leaders and warlords. While foreign officials at the ceremony hailed the parliament's creation, they pressed for a speedy resolution to one key hurdle - a dispute within the Darod clan over who will choose the clan's lawmakers.
"We're appointin' the lawmakers!"
"No, you ain't! We're appointin' the lawmakers!"
"Go fer yer guns, Mahmoud!"
A spokesman for U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said in New York that Annan "would like to stress that this is the beginning of long-awaited reconciliation."
The spokesman declined to comment, however, on whether the new parliament could control anything more than ten feet away from the front door.
He wears a turban, doesn't he? So what the hell did you expect?
A powerful regional Afghan commander accused his rival of violating the spirit of a cease-fire Monday, sneaking 2,500 unarmed soldiers into the western city of Herat, then smuggling thousands of weapons in from neighboring Iran.
"It was him! Over there ---> y'know, the one in the turban!"
Amanullah, a local Pashtun warlord who goes by only one name, said Herat Gov. Ismail Khan had brought the men and weapons in as part of preparations for possible renewed fighting. "Some 6,000 weapons and ammunition were smuggled in from Iran and brought to Herat city on vegetable trucks," Amanullah told The Associated Press by satellite phone. He called on the central government to stop the smuggling, and condemned Iran for alleged complicity.
Perhaps you could have intercepted the unarmed men before they became armed.
Naseer Ahmad Alawi, a spokesman for Khan, rejected the charges as "unfair and untrue." Alawi said some men may have entered the city for a ceremony honoring a senior government official killed earlier this year.
A multi-volume chronology and reference guide set detailing three years of the Mexican Drug War between 2010 and 2012.
Rantburg.com and borderlandbeat.com correspondent and author Chris Covert presents his first non-fiction work detailing
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Chris gives us Mexican press dispatches of drug and gang war violence
over three years, presented in a multi volume set intended to chronicle the death, violence and mayhem which has
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