Gunmen shot and seriously wounded a member of Saudi Arabia's security forces in the holy city of Mecca on Saturday, Saudi authorities said. A security official told Reuters dread criminals rather than militants were believed to be behind the attack, but gave few details.
Police arrested two more suspected militants here Friday night in connection with the August 17 bombings in the district, following tips given by one already in custody. Police nabbed Anis from his Sunakandar village home and Masud from Bhawanipur in the town following the confessional statement of Mamun. Mamun was arrested here Friday morning suspecting him as a leader of the outlawed Jamaâatul Mojahideen Bangladesh. Police said he admitted to his being member of âIslami Prochar Mediaâ and disclosed the names of 10 others of the propaganda group of militants.
Police Super Morshedul Anwar Khan said Mamun on Saturday was produced before a court that granted a 3-day police remand. He denied having relations with the militant outfit. He, however, reportedly confessed that his men exploded bombs at five spots in the district during the August 17 countrywide bombings and he was directly involved in the blasts at Town Maktab School.
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The government has ordered the law enforcing agencies to stay on high alert in the border areas in a bid to resist the entry of the most wanted 128 top listed terrorists of six SAARC countries inside Bangladesh, for making foolproof security during the SAARC summit scheduled to be held on November 12 to 13.
Ummm... Now there seems to be something wrong with my confidence meter...
Earlier, Bangladesh government had wanted a list of the most wanted terrorists and a list of the extremist organisations from India, Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka, the Maldives and Bhutan. For holding the SAARC Summit smoothly, the government has taken unprecedented security measures in the capital city in the run-up to the summit. Some 30,000 members of different law enforcing agencies, military and paramilitary forces will be deployed on the occasion.
Yeah. But they're Bangla agencies, and Bangla forces...
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What happens when your confidence level reaches pi?
Two more young men have been remanded in custody in Denmark in connection with a suspected terrorist cell. The arrests bring to six the number arrested in a case said to have links to Bosnia. All police are willing to say is that the two knew the four who were remanded in custody at the end of the week.
"We will say no more!"
The remand hearing was heard behind double closed doors, which means no details about the two men or charges against them may be made public.
Hold the hearing behind triple closed doors, and no one inside will know what the hell is going on either ...
What the police authorities are willing to say is that the two have been detained on suspicion of possible conspiracy to commit a terrorist attack, the same generic charges that the four detained on Thursday night are facing.
Danish police are said to have been tipped off by the Bosnian police about a possible terrorist cell in Denmark following the arrest of what appears to have been a suicide group in Bosnia. That group, according to the Bosnian police, had been preparing to attack either the British or American embassies in Sarajevo and a large amount of explosives, weapons, a suicide belt and a video recording were found in their flats.
It remains unclear what the link between the group in Bosnia and the group in Copenhagen may have been, although the Danish police say they believe they are able to connect the two. They say they cannot rule out that the group in Denmark was also planning an attack, although they have no direct evidence of that.
The case comes at a time when Denmark is experiencing severe problems in relations with its Muslim community. Ten ambassadors from Islamic countries have whined complained bitterly to the Danish authorities over the publication in one of the country's main broadsheet newspapers of a series of caricatures of the prophet Mohammed.
The prime minister has refused to meet the ambassadors in the case, who in turn have threatened to cause an international diplomatic incident if the prime minister at least does not issue a statement saying he disapproves of the caricatures. Eleven Muslim organisations have also now filed a police complaint for blasphemy against the newspaper.
The BBC's Julian Isherwood in Copenhagen says that it is in this atmosphere that the arrest of six, 16-20-year old Muslims on what appears so far at least to be very flimsy evidence may serve to further alienate the Muslim community in Denmark.
Wotta shame, perhaps they'll all return to their countries of origin in protest ...
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The prime minister has refused to meet the ambassadors in the case, who in turn have threatened to cause an international diplomatic incident if the prime minister at least does not issue a statement saying he disapproves of the caricatures.
Thank goodness Denmark's prime minister has the stones enough sense to know that such piss-ant tantrums must not be dignified with even an iota of official recognition. Hilarious laughter, certainly, just not any recognition.
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"Let us show that despite our grief and our anger we know how to stay dignified," said the Socialist mayor of Clichy-sous-Bois, Claude Dilain.
My ? is what have you to be dignified towards?
My grief and anger comes when it takes more than one bullet to kill you. but that's juat me...btw socialism breeds ineptitude
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Okay, they're rioting because two twerps found out Stupidity carries the death penalty? The riots should be crushed with flamethrowers and WP grenades. Clearly the rest haven't learned the lesson yet.
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Representatives of the Muslim community at the procession appealed for calm and dignity and the heads of French infidels to right this obvious insult to Muslims
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Why do I get the impression that the definition of "dignity" is very different in France? Is this similar to the UK use of "brilliant" - where it is watered down to something akin to spiffy and rather clever -- rather than connoting the superlative, superb, magnificent, or having the touch of genius as used here in the US? Boggle.
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- About Clichy-sous-Bois, the police union Action Police CFTC evoked "civil war", with "snipers shooting at the police", and asked the government to take its responsabilities and "send in the army", in a letter to interior minister Sarkozy.
- According to a local in an islamophobic(Tm) site, there was a riot, complete with torched cars, in Vaulx-en-Velin Lyon's suburb this saturday night (an another heavily islmamized area). Again, according to official figures, which are willingly underestimated, there are 30 000 torched cars each year (that would be 150 000 for the USA).
- In Argenteuil, where Nicolas Sarkozy was recently chased away by a bottles-throwing mob (they were not that bad, it was mostly plastic ones... but this was the third time he had to scatter when faced by juvies), the mayor has been confronted by group of angry youths because of the Sarkozy visit and his manly declarations about insecurity, and had his car torched in front of him.
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We should ask the UN to pass a resolution or something saying that is is just terrible. Then we should have Spain investigate and put the bad police on trial.
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Just to show I'm not making this up (hat tip Fjordman) :
http://www.nationalreview.com/derbyshire/
derbyshire200409300813.asp No-go areas
We've been hearing a lot about no-go areas in Iraq. Well, just to put the matter into perspective, here is some data on no-go areas in France. (I'm obliged to Jerry Pournelle for pointing me to this.)
In Le Figaro daily dated Feb 1, 2002, Lucienne Bui Trong, a criminologist working for the French government's Renseignements Generaux (General Intelligence â a mix of FBI and secret service), complains that the survey system she had created for accurately denumbering the Muslim no-go zones was dismantled by the government. She wrote: 'From 106 hot points in 1991, we went to 818 sensitive areas in 1999. That's for the whole country. These data were not politically correct.' Since she comes from a Vietnamese background, Ms. Bui Trong cannot be suspected of racism, of course, otherwise she wouldn't have been able to start this survey in the first place.
The term she uses, 'sensitive area,' is the PC euphemism for these places where anything representing a Western institution (post office truck, firemen, even mail order delivery firms, and of course cops) is routinely ambushed with Molotov cocktails, and where war weapons imported from the Muslim part of Yugoslavia are routinely found.
The number 818 is from 2002. I'd go out on a limb and venture that it hasn't decreased in two years.
Note the French govt's response to these unpleasant statistics â they stopped collecting the statistics!
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wow this has been kept quiet- not seen 1 bit of coverage of this on UK t.v - not even on Sky which is normally pretty good, i will ask sky to report on it as they got real excited with the Birmingham 'race riots' here the other day.
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Coverage lite on MSNBC now. Thisn might evolve. Paris, riots, restaurants, hotels, safe zones. It's a gimme.
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... they scaled a wall of an electrical relay station while running away from police and fell against a transformer.
Any homage paid by the crowd was redundant. The characteristically Dawinesque demise of these two morons had already been observed by a momentary dimming of lights.
Horreuers! That such disagreeable events should befall a nation which courageously harbored Ayatollah Khomeini. Quel domage.
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Okay, this paragraph makes no sense: According to a 21-year-old man who was with the two boys and survived the electrocution, "they ran because other young people were running. They thought they were being chased but they were not," Francois Molins, public prosecutor for the Seine-Saint-Denis district, told a press conference.
So who said what ? I don't think it was Francois who was with the teens at the time.
But, whatever, it's still great news.
Two more people suspected of belonging to a terrorist network planning a suicide attack in Europe were arrested in Denmark, police said Saturday. The man and woman, who were not identified, are suspected of assisting four young Muslims who were arrested Thursday in Copenhagen on charges of planning an "imminent" terror attack. A court on Saturday ordered the man and woman held until Nov. 16 while police investigate the allegations, police said. Police spokesman Ole Schultz said the two were suspected of "assisting terror attempts," but did not elaborate.
"I can såy nÞ mÞre!"
Danish police have said the four men arrested Thursday were linked to the arrests of a Turkish, Swedish and Bosnian national in Sarajevo on Oct. 19-20 on suspicion of preparing a terrorist attack. Police said they found explosives, firearms and other military equipment in connection with those arrests. The Bosnian national has since been released. No weapons or explosives have been found in connection with the Danish arrests, police said. Danish police are working with Bosnian investigators on the case but said it is still unclear where the alleged terror attack was intended to take place. According to the Sarajevo newspaper Dnevni Avaz, one of the three suspects arrested in Bosnia was an 18-year-old preparing a suicide attack on the Sarajevo embassy of a European Union country. Police have not confirmed the report.
After two years of work, the Iraqi Sunni Arabs are seeing their worst nightmare come true. And that is an Iraqi army and police force that can do the job, and is not led by Sunni Arabs. For generations, Iraq was dominated by Sunni Arabs because Sunni Arabs held most of the leadership posts in the army and police. Kurds and Shia Arabs were often the majority of the troops and beat cops, but they nearly always took orders from a hierarchy of Sunni Arab supervisors and officers. The Sunni Arabs knew that the management and leadership skills necessary to run an army or police force were not easily acquired. It took years of training and experience. There was no way the Kurds and Shia Arabs could quickly replace those Sunni Arab officers and NCOs. Thus Sunni Arab terrorists would drive out the foreign troops, especially the deadly Americans, and, then the Sunni Arabs would take over again. But then something very, very bad (for the Sunni Arab takeover plan) happened. Battalions and brigades of Iraqi troops began to show up, commanded by Kurds, Shia Arabs, and some turncoat Sunni Arabs, that could do the job. Currently there are 207,000 Iraqi soldiers and police that are trained and equipped for operations. There are sufficient leadership to deploy 120 army and police battalions for combat operations. About three dozen of these battalions are well enough led to undertake security operations without American supervision.
Every week, these Iraqi battalions undertake more operations, each raid or cordon and search operation providing the Iraqi officers and NCOs with more practical experience, and confidence that they can do the job. Each Iraqi battalion has a team of ten American advisors, who observe and advise, but are not numerous enough (and few speak Arabic) to run the battalion. The Americans help with things like logistics, which has always been a major weakness with the Iraqi army. The U.S. advisors also rate the Iraqi officers and NCOs for the Iraqi senior commanders, helping to select those who are able to do the job, and those who donât, and must be removed. This is hard to do in Iraq, where everyone has a tribe to back them up. Try and remove a man from command of a army or police battalion, and you find that you are taking on the manâs entire tribe. Saddam Hussein didnât have that problem, because if he had to remove an officer from command, he would often do it by killing the fellow, and telling his fellow tribesmen that there was more death to be had if the tribe objected.
The American have brought in a radically new way to deal with these problems, and it has taken the Iraqis some time to get used to it. But the Kurds and Shia Arabs want to succeed, because they know that if the Sunni Arabs regain control, many, many Kurds and Shia Arabs will die, particularly those who are now commanding army and police units.
As of mid-October, the 18 Iraqi army battalions in the Baghdad area, all but a few are capable of going out and searching for terrorists. That means, most of those battalions have officers and NCOs that can organize convoys full of troops capable of defending themselves while moving, and quickly running through the drills required for fighting off ambushes, searching buildings, taking prisoners and so on. American battalions usually serve as backup for the Iraqi battalions during these operations. The backup battalion provides reinforcements, if needed, and form a safety net for Iraqi battalions commanded by men new to the job. American battalions are full of leaders with ten to fifteen or more years experience. Iraqi battalions are led by men with one or two years experience.
Seven of the 18 Baghdad battalions can operate on their own, and the more they do, the more confident their officers and NCOs become. On a normal day, there are one or two dozen terrorist attacks throughout the city. Each attack triggers a response from the army and police, and an attempt to round up those responsible. The Iraqi army commanders have to know terrorist tactics. The Americans, and now Iraqi, compile information on exactly how the terrorists attack, and note things like how many local Iraqi civilians are involved in the attack (as lookouts, messengers, guides or even gunmen), and where they can be found right after the attack. The Iraqi troops and police are able to catch a lot of these low level terrorists, who will often reveal who they know, leading to more arrests. Each week, a higher portion of the terrorist suspects turn out to have blood on their hands, not just people who were in the wrong place, at the wrong time with the wrong attitude.
The Iraqi battalions are able to make terrorist attacks much more costly, for the terrorists. Thus the recent terrorist attack on the Palestinian hotel, resulted in over a dozen terrorist personnel killed or captured because of prompt action by Iraqi soldiers and police. As a result of this, two more trends are in evidence. First, more and more of the terrorist activity is moving outside of heavily policed Baghdad, to smaller towns where there are fewer security personnel. Second, more Sunni Arabs are giving up on plans for any quick take over of the government. These Kurdish and Shia Arab police and army officers were not supposed to show up so quickly, if ever. But there they are.
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Good article. The intelligence has got to be getting better and better since the Iraqis must have a fair idea of who is doing what. If the main stream news media did not have their own leftish agenda, our guys and the Iraquis would be better off.
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This is the beginning of the payoff for the much maligned decision to disband the Iraqi army and police. As a result of starting from scratch things were much tougher for the first couple of years but will be much better from here on out than they would other wise have been. I'm glad Chimpy McBushitler and his evil master Chainey had the nads to do the right thing.
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agreed SC - trying to make do with the assholes in charge when we arrived would've been easy in the short-term (Dems applaud) - more successful but harder to do in the longterm. Purges were necessary. Watch how the results build
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When a nightmare is bestowed upon those who have struggled hardest to bring it into being it's not a nightmare, it's called "just desserts."
To quote Oscar Wilde:
When the gods wish to punish us they answer our prayers.
The Iraqui Sunnis have yearned for ascendency no matter what cost in human life. Little did they suspect it might be them who would finally have to pay the piper.
U.S. troops backed by helicopters and a jet attacked insurgents planning a nighttime ambush near an American base north of Baghdad, killing six militants and wounding and capturing five others, the U.S. command said Sunday.
Insurgents killed six Iraqi civilians in scattered attacks on Sunday, one day after more than two dozen people died in a truck bombing in a Shiite farming village north of Baghdad.
The surge in violence came as Iraqi political blocs unveiled their lists of candidates for Dec. 15 parliamentary elections, which the United States and its coalition partners hope will restore enough stability so they can begin bringing their forces home next year. The election commission said it has received candidate lists from 21 coalitions and from 207 other political parties or individuals.
The U.S. operation against the insurgents was Saturday night near Taji, a U.S. air base 12 miles north of Baghdad. Troops saw the militants moving along a canal toward a commonly used ambush site, the military said in a statement.
The militants fired on Apache attack helicopters which were conducting reconnaissance in the area. The helicopters fired back, and the insurgents retreated. When they tried to regroup, an Air Force F-15E jet dropped a 500-pound bomb on them, the military said. Six insurgents were killed and five were wounded and captured, the statement said.
On Sunday morning, a roadside bomb destroyed one of several oil tanker trucks driving on a main road in south Baghdad, sending a fire ball up over the area and killing the two men inside, police Capt. Ibrahim Abdul-Ridha said. Four civilian passers-by were wounded.
Three separate drive-by shootings in the capital killed two construction workers and wounded three; seriously wounded a shopkeeper in the Dora district; and hit a car carrying Cabinet adviser Ghalib Abdul Mahdi to work, wounding him and killing his driver, police said.
Officials also evacuated a primary school in western Baghdad on Sunday, a school day in Iraq, to defuse a bomb that was discovered by guards there, police Capt. Talib Thamir said.
scum. these &*#$% are scum.
In Samarra, 60 miles north of Baghdad, a roadside bomb killed a farmer on his tractor and seriously wounded two other civilians, said police Capt. Laith Mohammed.
On Saturday night, the corpses of three handcuffed and blindfolded Iraqis were found in Baghdad, and police said an Iraqi soldier and the brother of a policeman were gunned down.
No word on their affiliation. Could be Sunnis executed by Kurds or Shia.
Also Saturday night, a U.S. jet dropped a bomb north of Ramadi, 70 miles west of Baghdad, killing three insurgents who were planting a roadside bomb, the military said.
A new Pentagon report estimates that 26,000 Iraqis have been killed or wounded by insurgents since Jan. 1, 2004. In the most recent period, from Aug. 29 to Sept. 16, there were an estimated 64 Iraqi casualties each day, the report said. A recent Associated Press count found that at least 3,870 Iraqis have died in the last six months.
Last week, a U.S. military spokesman told The Associated Press that as many as 30,000 Iraqis may have died during the war, which began with the U.S. invasion in March 2003. But independent analysts say that figure could be much higher, with estimates ranging from at least 30,000 to 100,000 or more.
At least 2,015 members of the U.S. military also have died since the start of the Iraq war, according to an AP count, including three Army soldiers who were killed on Saturday by a land mine and a roadside bomb in two separate attacks.
Also Saturday, a bomb hidden in a truck loaded with dates exploded in the center of the Shiite farming village of Huweder, about 45 miles northeast of Baghdad, killing 26 people and injuring at least 45.
The bomb exploded as villagers were heading to the mosque for prayers or outdoors in the cool evening breeze to break the daylong fast for the holy month of Ramadan.
Police Lt. Ahmed Abdul Wahab, who gave the casualty figure, said the number of deaths could increase because several survivors were critically wounded. The village is in a religiously mixed area plagued by suicide attacks, roadside bombs and assaults on police checkpoints.
Shiite civilians are frequent targets of Sunni extremists, including the country's most feared terror group, al-Qaida in Iraq, which considers members of the majority religious community to be heretics and collaborators with U.S.-led forces. Iraq's security services are staffed mainly by Shiites and Kurds.
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The militants fired on Apache attack helicopters which were conducting reconnaissance in the area. The helicopters fired back, and the insurgents retreated. When they tried to regroup, an Air Force F-15E jet dropped a 500-pound bomb on them, the military said.
I'm guessing the actual event wasn't quite so clinical.
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I'm sure al Reuters will be carrying the inevitable story of massive collateral damage and civilian casualties.
If I had my choice I would kill every reporter in the world, but I am sure we would be getting reports from Hell before breakfast.
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Also Saturday, a bomb hidden in a truck loaded with dates exploded in the center of the Shiite farming village of Huweder, about 45 miles northeast of Baghdad, killing 26 people and injuring at least 45.
These dirty rotten b@stards! In times past nearly everyone looked forward to getting blown by a loaded date.
Iran is backing a Shia insurgent campaign of systematically assassinating former elite Iraqi air force pilots as part of a covert sectarian war against Sunnis, according to senior politicians in Baghdad. The spate of murders of pilots has prompted an intervention from Jalal Talabani, Iraq's president, who has offered them safe haven in his native Kurdistan even though some of them were involved in dropping chemical weapons there. Alleged Iranian involvement in the killings has heightened sectarian tensions in Iraq and could increase diplomatic pressure on Tehran. Former senior military officers, overwhelmingly from Saddam Hussein's favoured Sunni sect, are among the most alienated groups in Iraq and form a key element of the Arab nationalist section of the insurgency.
In an effort to woo these officers away from their alliance of convenience with Islamist foreign fighters, Mr Talabani, a Kurd, held a meeting with more than 1,000 in Baghdad. Afterwards, according to coalition sources, several Kurdish officials entered the room and set briefcases down on tables. The briefcases were opened to reveal wads of new $100 bills. Each officer was then given $1,000 as compensation for the loss of his pension. Mr Talabani told The Sunday Telegraph: "I openly called in a meeting I had with 1,000 Arab Sunni former high-ranking officers for them to come to Kurdistan and live in peace." He said he was unsure who was behind the murders of the pilots but suggested they were reprisals for war crimes. "I don't know whether it is revenge for bombing civilians, for bombing Iran, for bombing Kurdistan."
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Strange Brew. ??
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anyone got any pics of this new complex - 60 sq miles is big must show from the air?
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Abadan:
City in Iran with 330,000 inhabitants (2005 estimate). Situated in the south-western corner of Iran, on the island of Abadan, that lies in the river of Shatt El Arab.
The economic base of the city is petroleum refining and shipping. Oil is transported from the Iranian oil fields in the north, through pipelines, to Abadan.
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I suggest the Iranian plan is to somehow drive the US out of the region. It still calculates that US air power is its #1 threat, so that means they have to somehow get rid of any US fleet in the vicintity, then neutralize the US airbases in Iraq and Afghanistan. With that done, they can intimidate the whole region with SHAHAB offense and aircraft defense and offense, only challenged by the IAF.
The telling point will be if the Iraqis try to obtain aircraft, and the Iranians go all out to either stop the sale/procurement or attack it on the ground.
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I suggest the Iranian plan is to somehow drive the US out of the region.
dya think???
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*shrug* Perhaps I'm hard hearted, but those would be the pilots of Saddam Hussein's air force that are being killed off, right? And they would have gotten their positions via connections (first) and then ability? I don't think the new Iraq would benefit any more from a majority Saddam era air force any more than it would have benefitted from a majority Saddam era army and police. Not to mention that Saddam's pilots hadn't flown for at least a decade, and before that Saddam Hussein had them flying unspeakably evil missions.
A bomb hidden in a truck loaded with dates exploded Saturday evening in the center of a Shiite farming village northeast of Baghdad, killing 26 people and injuring at least 34. The bomb in the Shiite village of Huweder, about 45 miles northeast of Baghdad, exploded as villagers were heading to the mosque for prayers or outdoors in the cool evening breeze to break the daylong fast they observe during the holy month of Ramadan. Police Lt. Ahmed Abdul Wahab, who gave the casualty figure, said the number of deaths could increase because several survivors were critically wounded. The village is in a religiously mixed area plagued by suicide attacks, roadside bombs and armed assaults on police checkpoints. At the hospital in nearby Baqouba, seriously wounded victims lay on stretchers on a blood-smeared floor as doctors and nurses in bloodstained white coats scurried about, trying to cope. Distraught relatives held intravenous bottles beside their loved ones' beds.
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that picture is so amusing. On the subject of car booms have they not learnt they don't get you anywhere. Randomly exploding cars do not win wars. Infact i want to do an analysis on just what the effect of so many car bombs are on our forces, to mee it dosn't seem like much at all in casualtys and only bad part is spending time trying to shut these fairly complex car bomb operations down. How many soldiers have been killed with car bombs - 1000 or less i'm guessing.now imagine in WW2 that car bombs were used (i know its a stretch of the imagination) and only caused 1000 allied deaths i'd imagine it wouldn't really bother anyone much. What im trying to say is that dispite the media footage of bloodied Iraqi civilians maimed by car bombs presenting an image of horrer and hopelessness in Iraq i do not think they are the 'wonder weapon' the media thinks they are. I mean imagine we went to war against a country and carried out 1 or possibly 2 airstrikes a day against the eneamy - not ww2 style airstrikes but i mean just one or two 500lb'ers being randomly dropped on the eneamy by just one plane a day, the effect of that would be utterly useless and pointless. Imagine operation desert storm with just one plane a day attacking the Iraqi army - the Iraqi army woulda been laughing all the way into Kuwait and not leaving in any kinda hurry either. Or 1 tank firing 1 round a day, i think you all see what im getting at. VBIED's are more of a planning problem if you ask me and no threat to Iraqi stability unless you can get at least 100 carbombs to detonate against US military targets killing 50 or more a day and knocking out there bases and airfields but it aint gonna happen. Now a chemical attack via carbomb - or any bomb for that matter would be a true force multipliyer. Until that happens they cannot win in my view.
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Shep,
Car bombs are a small cause of US and coalition deaths. IEDs, followed by small arms fire are the leading cause of deaths. Belmont Club: August 2005 deaths for US forces
The list for August shows the cause of 74 deaths sustained by US forces in Iraq (as of today) distributed as follows:
Cause Number
IED 33
VBIED (car bomb) 7 (9.5%)
IED and Small Arms combined 6
Small Arms 16
Other explosion 2
Rocket 1
Non combat related 9
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You're gettng there Shep. Gotta dial in the deadly Modern Media tho.
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dispite the media footage of bloodied Iraqi civilians maimed by car bombs presenting an image of horrer and hopelessness in Iraq i do not think they are the 'wonder weapon' the media thinks they are.
But the media is the wonder weapon the terrorists know it is. They are counting on it to ally with domestic apathy and impatience to deliver them victory as in Vietnam. The big difference is that we were facing a foe willing to fight tenaciously with support from a major superpower and we decided to tie one hand behind our back. I see more parallels in Syria with the later point than I would like, but in general it seems the military is fighting the way it wants to against a bunch of gutless thugs and punks willing to take advantage of true believers and other mental incompetents.
Effective attacks are not necessary for the media to do its job on behalf of their terrorist allies. All they need is blood and chaos that they link to the presence of Americans. It doesn't really matter whose blood, Americans is best, civilians will do nicely also and Iraqi forces when they can thereby be shown to be incompetent. The message is your tax dollars created this hell. Get out now.
Unfortunately, kept up long enough and repeated often enough, the Big Lie becomes the truth. There is no doubt in my mind that the media god Murrow would be disgusted by how much his successors have come to resemble Goebbles.
* Insurgents killed three US soldiers and wounded four in Iraq on Saturday, and a bomb hidden in a truck exploded in the center of a Shia village north of Baghdad, killing 20 people and wounding 30, police said. The bomb that killed 20 people and wounded 30 on Saturday exploded in Huweder, a Shia village near Baquba, which is 60 kilometers (35 miles) northeast of Baghdad. It was hidden in a truck carrying dates and exploded near a mosque and several cafes just before sunset when Muslims would have been breaking their daily Ramadan fast, police said.
* A drive-by shooting also killed a manager of oil wells in the northern city of Kirkuk, and American ground and air forces attacked two towns near the Syrian border, killing at least 10 militants, the military said. Witnesses said some of the victims were civilians.
* A land mine killed a US soldier and wounded four early on Saturday near Beiji, 250 kilometers (155 miles) north of Baghdad, the military said. Two other US Army soldiers died in south Baghdad on Saturday when their patrol struck a roadside bomb, the military said.
* On Saturday, US ground forces conducted a series of raids on suspected insurgent safe houses in the nearby town of Husaybah, killing at least 10 militants, the military said. Gun battles also broke out with insurgents, and US warplanes attacked them with precision guided munitions, the US command said. It said one of the attacks struck a house where Abu Mahmud, a senior Al Qaeda in Iraq militant, was meeting with other insurgents, but it was not known if casualties resulted.
* In Kirkuk, 290 kilometers (180 miles) north of Baghdad, Mikhail Eros, deputy director general for oil wells, was shot and killed in front of his home, said police Capt. Ferhad Talbani. Oil pipelines in the region often are attacked by insurgents with explosives to interrupt the shipment of oil from wells to refineries in Kirkuk.
* Two police officers died when their patrol hit a roadside bomb in the oil-rich city of Kirkuk, 290 kilometers (180 miles) north of Baghdad, said police Brig. Sarhad Qader.
* In the capital, a drive-by shooting in the Dora neighborhood killed a police officer.
* In a town near Baqouba, 60 kilometers (35 miles) northeast of Baghdad, gunmen opened fire on an Iraqi army checkpoint, touching off fighting that killed 3 Iraqi soldiers and three militants, police said. Seven Iraqi soldiers also were wounded.
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Sounds like Washington, DC, Detroit, or Los Angeles on a quiet night.
Israel today revealed it arrested three terrorists on their way to set up Qassam rocket manufacturing abilities in the West Bank, sparking fears Palestinian groups will soon be able to fire rockets and mortars at nearby Jerusalem and Tel Aviv. The arrests of the terrorists, members of the umbrella group Popular Resistance Committees, follow a WorldNetDaily interview last week in which the Committees spokesman warned his organization transported missile technology from Gaza to the West Bank and is planning to fire rockets and mortars at Jewish homes in the West Bank, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
Israel said it caught the three Committees members crossing from Egypt into the northern Negev, and said interrogations revealed they received funds and training from Hezbollah and thus Iran to set up Qassam factories in the West Bank. The Committees is a network of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Fatah terrorists responsible for many of the rockets that have been fired from Gaza. The three were reportedly caught carrying a computer memory drive containing information prepared by Hezbollah on the manufacturing of bombs.
According to Israel's Shin Bet Security Services, one of the terrorists confessed to launching Qassam rockets against Israel in Gaza and carrying out numerous bombing and shooting attacks, including involvement in planting a roadside bomb in 2002 near a Gaza Jewish community that killed three Israeli soldiers. Another one of the nabbed terrorists specialized in bomb making and Qassam rocket technology, and admitted to involvement in developing anti-aircraft missiles and various kinds of other bombs, the Security Services told reporters.
The arrests made front-page headlines in Israel today, reported by most newspapers here as some of the first concrete evidence since Israel's Gaza withdrawal last month that Palestinian terrorists were planning to fire rockets or mortars in the West Bank.
Disclosure today of the arrests of the three Committees terrorists follows a WorldNetDaily interview in which Abu Abir, the Committees spokesman, boasted his group transported missiles to the West Bank. "If there is need, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and everywhere in Israel can become our target. Israelis must also know that we have already transferred the knowledge and the technology of producing rockets to the West Bank," Abu Abir said. Abu Abir told WND his group has "improved [our] capacities in shooting these rockets. Even the Israeli officers agreed that the improvement is at all levels. To begin with, the distance that these rockets can reach, the capacity of explosives and their accuracy. In the last five years, there is no doubt that our abilities have improved." Isn't that nice and symmetrical. Anywhere in the Arab world can become Israel's target.
WND also recently reported a research center associated with Hamas announced last month in a published study the terror group views Israel's withdrawal from Gaza as a victory for "Palestinian resistance" and will now continue the next phase of its "war to destroy the Jewish state" by focusing on rocket and mortar attacks in the West Bank. According to the Al-Mustaqbal Research Center in Gaza, Hamas and other "Palestinian resistance groups" will extend their rocket-producing capabilities to the West Bank since Israel's security barrier in the area has made terrorist infiltrations and suicide bombings difficult.
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... Committees spokesman warned his organization transported missile technology from Gaza to the West Bank and is planning to fire rockets and mortars at Jewish homes in the West Bank, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.
Welcome to the ultimate no-win scenario for Israel. Imagine what would result if an off-course Qassam rocket slammed into the al Aqsa mosque.
[patiently waits for applause to die down ...]
But seriously folks, with this development Israel is almost better off lobbing a confiscated Qassam rocket into the al Aqsa mosque, than waiting around for the Wailing Wall or the Church of the Nativity to be hit (or any other of myriad historical sites).
Given the reckless launching by Hamas, Islamic Jihad et al, it is literally only a matter of time before these maroons topple their own third-most holy site in all Islam.
I'd really enjoy reading what others here at Rantburg have to contribute regarding this development. It is common knowledge that Qassam targeting is about as accurate as MSM reporting on Iraq. This represents a new level of idiocy by the terrorists and apart from a clear demonstration of how stupid firing at Jerusalem based targets is, I see little other than a no-win disaster for Israel. What alternatives are there?
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True, if born a Neanderthal, it's difficult to die a rocket scientist, however, in time, they will gain some measure of precision. Best to kill them now.
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the extermination of the Paleos will be caused by their inability to understand power, society, and death cults. They've scratched all positive marks from their side
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It's doubtful that a SCUD could level the al Aqsa mosque, and a Qassam is no SCUD.
Good point, Ptah. Still, the point remains that any sort of hit upon al Aqsa will be (rightly or wrongly) attributed to Israel. I'm just curious if they have some way of short-circuiting this. Aside from the aforementioned policy of simple extermination, that is.
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Actually, by finking on Iran and giving Israel launch site coordinates, it would seem as though Abbas is trying his best at some sort of "deep game." The most likely result will be him getting offed by the terrorists. If he's not out capping them himself, they'll be sighting on him. Nothing to see, folks, move aong.
IRAN has promised a reward of $10,000 (£5,600) to Islamic Jihad if the militant group launches rockets from the West Bank towards Tel Aviv, a senior Palestinian intelligence official said last week.
Speaking in his Ramallah office, the official produced a fat wad of $100 notes which he said had been confiscated from a pro-Iranian Islamic Jihad activist.
The money was said to have gone from Iran to Damascus, the Syrian capital, from where Ibrahim Shehadeh, Islamic Jihadâs head of overseas operations, transferred it to the West Bank.
According to the intelligence official, the Palestinian Authority has located workshops where âAl-Qudsâ (Jerusalem) rockets are being made and has given their co-ordinates to the Israelis. âWe understand they destroyed some of them,â he said.
The Israeli media claimed last week that rocket attacks from the West Bank were widely expected: Ben Gurion airportâs eastern runway is just five miles away and the outskirts of Tel Aviv are within 10 miles.
Shaul Mofaz, Israelâs defence minister, and the armyâs chief of staff held an emergency meeting to discuss requests from the mayors of towns bordering the West Bank for sirens to alert inhabitants to incoming rockets.
Israeli intelligence officials said that Iran was threatening the country on three fronts: through long-range missiles based in Lebanon; through terrorist networks around the world; and through the new arsenals of the West Bank.
Islamic Jihad is the only Palestinian group that calls for the destruction of the state of Israel. Based in Damascus, it has an annual budget of several million dollars â provided by Iran. Ramadan Shalah, its leader, has a PhD in economics from Durham University. The organisationâs military arm is the âAl-Quds Brigadesâ.
Since the death of Yasser Arafat last year, Islamic Jihad has taken the lead in attacks against Israel. A suicide bombing that killed five people in the northern town of Hadera last week was revenge for the killing by Israeli special forces of Luay Saadi, the groupâs leader in the West Bank.
This weekend Israeli forces launched an operation against the organisation in both the West Bank and Gaza â including the destruction of the rocket workshops.
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sounds like a 5-6 mile no-man's land in the west bank needs to be created....
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According to the [P.A.] intelligence official, the Palestinian Authority has located workshops where âAl-Qudsâ (Jerusalem) rockets are being made and has given their co-ordinates to the Israelis.
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Sounds like the Palestinian Authority is finally starting to sprout a set out of sheer desperation. Rather odd how they need Israel to do the all heavy lifting for them. Implicating Iran is certainly some sort of conciliatory gesture, and just what the doctor ordered for further condemnation of Tehran's mullahs. But won't this Iranian revelation and feeding of launch site coordinates make the PA into collaborators? I dare say this calls for a well-buttered tub of the highest quality popcorn.
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trailing wife, I would be astonished too, save that Abbas has literally painted himself into this exact sort of corner.
Having tainted his administration's nation-building efforts through repeated attempts to incorporate terrorist factions, Abbas is now confronted with the grim task of winnowing out those who refuse to cooperate.
Better that he had outrightly rejected terrorist participation, mandated coexistence with Israel as a foundation of inclusion and never made such incredibly stupid obeisances as adopting a nom du guerre. Of course, that would have required heretofore unimaginable quantities of testosterone and moral rectitude for a Palestinian.
I fear Abbas will quickly find out that the short cuts and side door solutions he is employing shall cost him his life at the hands of those he sought to appease. He would better have taken a page from Israel's playbook regarding appeasement of terrorists. This much should have been obvious to him.
Israeli aircraft fired missiles at open areas in northern Gaza early Saturday and ground troops set up a second artillery battery near the coastal strip â part of an intensifying campaign against Palestinian rocket fire on Israeli border areas. Israeli air strikes have killed eight Palestinians in Gaza this week, including a fighter whose car was struck Friday evening, while he was on a mission to fire rockets. Palestinian Interior Minister Nasser Yousef told his security chiefs that "firm and serious action" would be taken against facilities used to manufacture or store weapons, his office said in a statement released Saturday. But there was no talk of disarming factions, as Israel has demanded, and the statement said Palestinian security forces "would not enter any house looking for weapons."
In Israel, Vice Premier Shimon Peres warned it would be a serious mistake to sideline Mahmoud Abbas, signalling growing disagreement within the Israeli government over how to deal with the Palestinian leader. Peres spoke after Prime Minister Ariel Sharon announced he would shun Abbas until he cracks down on factions, and Defence Minister Shaul Mofaz said Abbas was too weak and isolated to negotiate a peace deal. The Sharon government's criticism of Abbas is unprecedented, but it remains unclear whether it signals a shift in policy. The international community has urged Israel to work with Abbas, a moderate who opposes violence but also refuses to disarm groups by force, citing fear of civil war. Peres said Israel could not afford to marginalise Abbas. "When you say there is no partner, then only one partner is left, the terrorists. This is a mistake of the first order," Peres told Israel Radio.
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"When you say there is no partner, then only one partner is left ...
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After the fire ceased, near midnight Sunday, and a D9 bulldozer was called to ram the house and encourage the fugitives to surrender, the IDF forces entered the building and discovered the bodies of Jihad Awidat Akarne - the dispatcher of last week's suicide bomber - and of Rashad Knell, his associate
heh heh - We trust in Caterpillar
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Government forces killed a brother of a top Abu Sayyaf leader in a clash with his group in the village of Asturias, Jolo, on Friday, officials said. Joloâs military chief, Brig. Gen. Alexander Aleo, said the killing of Lalong Parad dealt a serious blow to the Abu Sayyaf. Parad was said to be the brother of Albader Parad, who is wanted by the United States for the killing of two of its citizens in 2001 and the 2000 kidnapping of 21 mostly Asians and Westerners on Sipadan island off Sabah. "Paradâs death was surely a big blow [to the Abu Sayyaf] because he was one of the most notorious criminals in Jolo wanted for the killing of many innocent civilians and soldiers and the kidnapping this year of three Indonesian sailors," Aleo said. An AFP report said Parad was killed by a policeman, Bas Isad. The AFP account said that Isad had noticed Parad and his cadre three other gunmen staking out his house and confronted them. Parad allegedly drew a pistol, but Isad shot him first, killing him.
"It's the cops, boys! Go for yer [BANG!][Thump] Rosebud!"
Paradâs companions fled.
Meh. In Thana upazila his posse would have opened random, inaccurate fire before fleeing like schoolgirls, and possibly even caused Isad to get a hernia...
Police believed Parad and his team were intending to kill Isad, leader of an antidrug task force on Jolo island, the AFP report added.
Nice shot, Hoss. Way to keep your cool.
On Wednesday government forces stormed an outlaw hideout in the southern port city of Zam-boanga and captured seven people, including Hilarion "Ahmad" Santos, alleged leader of the radical group called Rajah Soliman Movement. The troops recovered a cache of antitank rockets.
"Hey LT, you may want to come over and take a look at this."
Authorities said the group was behind the spate of bombings in Manila since 2000. They described the Rajah Soliman Movement as the most notorious group next to the Abu Sayyaf. "We have established that Santos and his Rajah Soliman group are linked to the Jemaah Islamiya and the Abu Sayyaf. There is an ongoing operation to track down other members of the group in southern Philippines," said the commander of the militaryâs Southern Command, Lt. Gen. Edilberto Adan.
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Gen Adan is doing better than the last SOUTHCOM Commander. Lets hope he keeps in the hunt. All these guys they are capturing are fodder. He will prove himself when he get Hapilon or Janjalani. We, the US, have a lot invested in SOUTHCOM and it's about time they put a General in charge that can do the job.
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Syria has accused the United States of launching lethal military raids into its territory from Iraq, escalating the diplomatic crisis between the two countries as the Bush administration seeks to step up pressure on President Bashar Assad's regime.
Major General Amid Suleiman, a Syrian officer, said that American cross-border attacks into Syria had killed at least two border guards, wounded several more and prompted an official complaint to the American embassy in Damascus.
He made the allegations during an official press tour of Syrian security forces on the Iraqi border, which the US claims is a barely guarded passage into Iraq for hardcore foreign jihadis.
While showing off what he said were beefed-up Syrian border measures designed to blunt those criticisms, including new police stations and checkpoints, Maj Gen Suleiman alleged that his own border forces had come under repeated American attack.
"Incidents have taken place with casualties on my surveillance troops," he said, near the Euphrates river border crossing between Syria and Iraq. "Many US projectiles have landed here. In this area alone, two soldiers and two civilians have been killed by the American attacks."
The charge follows leaks in Washington that the US has already engaged in military raids into Syria and is contemplating launching special forces operations on Syrian soil to eliminate insurgent networks before they reach Iraq.
"No one in the administration has any problem with acting tough on Syria; it is the one thing they all agree on," said Edward Walker, a former US ambassador to Egypt and Israel, who is now head of the Middle East Institute think-tank. "I've heard there have been some cross-border activities, and it certainly makes sense as a warning to Syria that if they don't take care of the problem the US will step up itself."
But he warned that the increased blurring of battle lines between Iraq and Syria could turn a diplomatic stand-off between the two nations, playing out at the UN, into a fully fledged military confrontation. "It could escalate. With Syrian border guards getting shot, it could turn into a major issue."
In the Euphrates valley, however, the alleged cross-border fire fights are already a major issue. The Syrian military said that in May, in the divided village of Baghouz, which straddles the Syria-Iraq border about 350 miles north east of Damascus, Abdullah al-Hassake was manning a rundown concrete frontier outpost when he and fellow soldiers heard US helicopters.
He went on to the police station roof to survey the impending battle between US troops and Iraqi insurgents, who flee to the border when under attack, and was killed by fire from the US helicopters.
Syrian officials said that US charges that they were not doing enough to prevent insurgents crossing into Iraq are unfair. They pointed to new barbed wire and reinforced sand barriers across the 400-mile border, which cost £1.5 million, and claimed that they had deported or arrested about 1,500 foreign fighters heading to Iraq.
Much of the border is impossible to seal. Across the divide, the continuing violence in Iraq is all too evident. Both sides have strong ties with the regime of the former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. "The people here are happy to help fighters go to face the Americans," said one local. But reinforced security on the Syrian side had made life harder, he added. That view is supported by some Western diplomats in Damascus, although US defence officials remain sceptical.
"The Syrians have stopped actively encouraging jihadis to go," said one diplomat. "In fact recently they've tried quite hard to stop it."
Across the Euphrates, the border appears to be the likely stage for a future showdown between the US and Syria.
"Sometimes the US soldiers fire at us every day," said Ibrahim Brahim, a Syrian security official. "Sometimes it's simply a mistake, but sometimes it's not. Mostly the US army wants to show us its power."
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The Hague Convention of 1907 states "a neutral country has the obligation not to allow its territory to be used by a belligerent. If the neutral country is unwilling or unable to prevent this, the other belligerent has the right to take appropriate actions."
The Syrians shouldn't sweat the US forces. The should be worried about the Iraqi which are getting the best training that any arab army has ever had in modern times. They're going to cut their way through the Syrians like the proverbal 'crap through a goose' on their way to Demascus. Payback is a mother.
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GWB said today that the Syrian - Iraqi border is a "living breathing changing border", in his attempt to show US Senator Barbara Boxer that two can play at that game. This in reference to her and most US Dimorats thoughts on the US Constitution. Look for B2's over Damascus soon.....I hope
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What do you want to bet any Syrians that have got it were active in support of feeding foreigners into Iraq? When a repressive dictatorship like Syria claims it can't control it's borders it is pure bullshit. You would almost think they were arabs.
I read a book once, "72 Hours on the Golan Heights" about the Yom Kippur War, and there was a quote in there that the Syrians would do well to remember. Noting that the Israelis fight in the American style, a Syrian colonel asked their Vietmanese advisor how Americans fought in the Jungle. To which the advisor replied:
"Americans don't fight in the jungle. They mow it down."
Iran's Revolutionary Guards have set up a network of secret smuggling routes to ferry men and equipment into Iraq for attacks on coalition troops, according to an exiled opposition group. The smuggling is said to be orchestrated by the guards' elite Quds Force, which has its HQ in the southern Iranian city of Ahwaz.
The National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI) says commanders are sending a steady stream of agents and bomb-making equipment from a base codenamed "Fajr" into Iraq, where roadside attacks are carried out against coalition troops. Western intelligence agencies have reported a sharp increase in Iran's involvement in insurgent operations since Mr Ahmadinejad was elected in June. The agencies believe that the guards use a network of routes along Iran's 620-mile border with Iraq. Documents seen by The Sunday Telegraph show three principal routes, two near the Iraqi cities of Basra and Amara, and a third via the Iranian town of Mehran. A main route is thought to be through the marshland surrounding the Shatt al-Arab waterway in southern Iraq, which enables guard units to plan attacks against British forces in Basra. Other routes lead to central Iraq, where United States military intelligence believes that Iranian agents are involved in attacks against US troops, 2,000 of whom have died since the invasion. Details of the routes have been compiled by the (NCRI), and passed to British and American intelligence officers.
And now passed on to the Telegraph's reading public.
NCRI is regarded as one of the most informed and effective Iranian opposition groups. It was recently responsible for revealing details of Iran's secret nuclear bomb programme, which led to the latest crisis in relations between Iran and the West. According to the NCRI's latest report Iranian agents travel to Iraq dressed as local Arabs to spy on and film British and American patrols.
Who'd a-thunkit? The bad guyz dress like the locals so as to blend in and spy without being hassled. Just like in the movies!
The report states that each reconnaissance group is formed of 20 members and, apart from monitoring the activities of coalition forces, they are also tasked with linking up with local Shia groups involved in the insurgency.
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NCRI is regarded as one of the most informed and effective Iranian opposition groups. It was recently responsible for revealing details of Iran's secret nuclear bomb programme, which led to the latest crisis in relations between Iran and the West.
According to the NCRI's latest report Iranian agents travel to Iraq dressed as local Arabs to spy on and film British and American patrols.
The report states that each reconnaissance group is formed of 20 members and, apart from monitoring the activities of coalition forces, they are also tasked with linking up with local Shia groups involved in the insurgency.
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i'm sad to say that it will never be time for a jadam or 10000 on Iran. As i've said before we in the west are being trodden and kicked all over by the Iranians but we wont do sht about it, face it as i have we have already lost against Iran,yes its sad but there you go. Europe has NO will to fight anyone even when there a few hundred k's from them like in the balkens, American forces pinned down at the mo, and not by the Iraqi terrorists but by our own people in the Media so that option is out the window. The more the world discusses and argues Iran the more the world will fracture and split itself on its stance toward Iran - they are laughing loud at us all im sure after watching us in the west argue for about a year and a half before finally getting no UN resolution against Iraq only to overthrow him but with about 2 years to plan for it the sammy regime knew we were coming 'fckin great' that. So now the Iranians are already at war with us as they have been since this Iraq conflict started and what have we done, nothing except give them MORE time to prepare, fckin great again,sighs, yeah give it another year and the west will be utterly and totally incapable of dealing with the Iranian regime, or look at it this way that already we are totally incapable already! Sad but true guys we are fcked with the Iranians. Do you think we have the balls to use the thermo nukes cos i sure don't, Imagine a coalition of say 15 countries, 1 says ok we've had enough we are rolling out the atom bomb on em, you think the other allies are gonna go along with it? i sure dont. You think the Anti war movement is gonna sit back and watch as we go to war with Iran - i sure don't and as sad as the Antiwar lot are they wern't far short of stopping us last time and this time the pressure from the Left wing antiwar loons will be 100 times stronger because they have the media firmly on thier side! I wish and i pray we got rid of the Iranian regime for the worlds sake but it ain't gonna happen.
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I don't know, Shep. The liberal elites, as they like to think of themselves and we like to call them, I have decided are just insecure well meaning people who hide behind fad and fashion just because they are cowards who live in fear of someone pointing out that they are not in with the in-crowd.
But as immediately following our 911, when they have something to really be scared about, they are the first to demand that the adults do something to make them safe. Then as soon as everything is back to normal, then they can get back to their sage rage against the machine.
I think the minute the Iranians actually do something brutal, they are going to be very surprised at the European response. As will we all.
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2b - "I think the minute the Iranians actually do something brutal, they are going to be very surprised at the European response. As will we all."
What will it take to convince the EUnuchs?Nukes in our cities? The Brits are already being blown up. So are we with 'new improved IEDs'. I believe that Shep is right.
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you may be right. Maybe I'm just wishful thinking. The biggest problem is that if Iran actually "wipes Israel off the map", they probably will just issue sternly worded letters of condemnation and say, well, it was their own fault.
I don't know. I just think that it's a mistake to fall into the trap of believing the incorrect assumptions put out by the MSM. AQ did. Sadaam did. Times have changed and don't fall into the trap of thinking that what is printed in the major papers represents the majority of thought of the country in which it is printed.
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The Iranians did something extremely brutal in November of 1979. The Iranians again did something brutal in October of 1983. And in response? Anyone?
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i think a list only an Atom bomb from Iran would trip the west into actually taking action against the mullahs - but even when i think of that i can imagine all sorts of crappy little arguments from other western countries like ' how do we know it was Iran behind that A Bomb blast in Israel?' kinda like when binny and his gang flew the planes into the world trade centres - we had all sorts of weirdos for about a year claiming there was 'no proof' it was binny See my point if tehran was to truck a Nuke into Israel and detonate the mother of all car bombs something tells me we'd have a hard time convicing those on our own side who is behind it. Atomic terrorism is gonna be a reality in 5 or so years i think.
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Shep,
I do believe things with Iran will end in nuclear war. No one, including the US, is developing forces to invade Iran while Iran is forming multi-million men formations (regular and irregular). Once the first nuke goes off, restraint becomes a vice. Better to clear the deck and start over.
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sigh. Iran clearly doesn't understand our capabilities are restrained only by our humanity. Once they nuke anything, the gloves will come off and they won't fare well in the battle.
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Yes agreed if they did nuke us there would be hell to pay but what if they carry on down this same road of many small scale attacks against israel and coalition forces? i bet the result from us in the west would not alter, maybe a bit more covert ops against Iran but in the big picture of these i don't believe a few covert ops or few thousand covert ops for that matter will bother these Mullahs one little bit. They are not casualty adverse like us in the west, they will happily sacrifice hundreds of thousands of there fanatics without even a second thought, we on the other hand lose 5 men and the will to carry on is lost amongst the weak (leftyies and cowards) and the media pressure piles on immensly. They have the initiative in my eyes and are not gonna back away now. Think about the little stunt they pulled with the Royal Marines about a year ago in southern iraq, Iranians captured the Marines ,confiscated/stole their boats,carried out mock exicutions on them then freed them several days later, now in my eyes that was a direct act of war yet what happened - Jack Straw went grovaling to the Iranians full of apoligies and said in an almost Oliver Twist like manner ' please sir can we have our boats back please' . That was absolutly fckin useless and if i were in Jacks shoes i'd have said we will roll an armoured division in to get the Marines back or threaten them by parking a single trident submarine off thier coast. See my point, were frightened of the Iranians and until that changes we are fcked.
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Yes agreed if they did nuke us there would be hell to pay but what if they carry on down this same road of many small scale attacks against israel and coalition forces? i bet the result from us in the west would not alter, maybe a bit more covert ops against Iran but in the big picture of these i don't believe a few covert ops or few thousand covert ops for that matter will bother these Mullahs one little bit. They are not casualty adverse like us in the west, they will happily sacrifice hundreds of thousands of there fanatics without even a second thought, we on the other hand lose 5 men and the will to carry on is lost amongst the weak (leftyies and cowards) and the media pressure piles on immensly. They have the initiative in my eyes and are not gonna back away now. Think about the little stunt they pulled with the Royal Marines about a year ago in southern iraq, Iranians captured the Marines ,confiscated/stole their boats,carried out mock exicutions on them then freed them several days later, now in my eyes that was a direct act of war yet what happened - Jack Straw went grovaling to the Iranians full of apoligies and said in an almost Oliver Twist like manner ' please sir can we have our boats back please' . That was absolutly fckin useless and if i were in Jacks shoes i'd have said we will roll an armoured division in to get the Marines back or threaten them by parking a single trident submarine off thier coast. See my point, were frightened of the Iranians and until that changes we are fcked.
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The only thing that will frighten the MMs is killing a few of them. They are always happy to let others be killed. Kill a few of them and cut into the pile of loot they have stolen from the people of Iran and they will become more fearful.
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However gloomy it might be, this is one of the first sane discussions I've seen here about Iran's mullahs. Nobody is talking about a nuclear first-strike against Iran. Good, that's a clear sign of intelligence. Most everyone is talking about nuclear retaliation in kind should there be a terrorist nuclear attack. Also, good.
SPoD has it straight. Only when Tehran's mullahs find themselves in the crosshairs will their behavior change one whit. Personally, I do not anticipate changing their collective behavior. I would prefer that their collective body temperature be altered more towards ambient. A full session of the Majlis needs to be greeted with a volley of HE tipped cruise missiles. Mail gunsight video footage to North Korea, rinse and repeat.
At some point, people need to realize that critical projects, like fighting hunger, AIDS, illiteracy and abuse of women are of much greater importance than diplomatic charades with the greatest evil since the Nazis.
Islamist psychos are siphoning off bazillions of dollars in our foolhardy attempts to dissuade them from their goal of world domination. Enough of this idiocy. Psychotics, by definition, do not listen to reason. We must desist with trying to teach the pig to sing and set about eliminating (not deterring) these ridiculous impediments to world progress.
It is patently clear that Islamists seek to halt and reverse centuries of global progress. What better argument is there for simply eradicating this menace and returning to the real tasks at hand? Israel has already demonstrated to our world that there can be no appeasement or negotiation with terrorists.
It is upon us to recognize these hard-won truths and accept that our world will be a better place without the endless atrocities that hatemongering Islamists so adore.
Between a select few decaps and some proficient wetwork teams the entire war on terrorism could be turned around in less than a year. Time's a'wasting.
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other than providing me with too much gratuitous pleasure in news reading, I can find no fault in the Zen proposal
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Iran has too much at risk. First, the second biggest religion in Iran is agnostic. That movement may be growing among their own painintheass left and eventually consume them. Then, there's the fact that we can take out their navy and airforce in a matter of hours. Finally, Israel will never hold still long enough for the mullahs to get the bomb fitted on a launcher.
Therefore, the fight will commence well before the mullahs have new linen in their country bunkers.
The figure is startling. Since 1994, over 50,000 have died in terrorist-related violence in India. According to the South Asia Terrorism Portal (SATP), 23,955 terrorists, 19,662 civilians and 7,320 security force personnel have been killed in such incidents between 1994 and June, 2005.
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I object to including, in ANY sum, the numbers of terrorists justly executed to the numbers of their victims, and the defenders of those victims.
Police in southern Pakistan yesterday arrested five suspected members of an outlawed Islamic militant group for collecting donations for victims of the earthquake, an investigator said.
"We've got some widows and orphans up there in Kashmir, they're in desperate need of arms and ammo..."
Mamoor Khan, a police inspector, said the five men had been collecting donations in the southern city of Karachi in the name of a charity, Al Rahmat Trust, recently set up by the militant group Jaish-e-Mohammed.âWe arrested them because they are from Jaishe Mohammed, which is not allowed to carry out any activity,â he said. President Musharraf banned Jaishe Mohammed in January 2002 in an effort to crackdown on extremist groups.
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Police raided scores of places across the capital, including Paharganj, Chandni Chowk, Zakir Nagar, Okhla, Lajpat Nagar and Nizamuddin throughout the night, police sources said on Sunday. At least 22 people were picked up for questioning by the joint teams of Intelligence Bureau and police, the sources said. Investigators said that the bomb blasts could have been carried out by Pakistan based Lashker-e-Taiba in league with Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda's hand is suspected considering the way the bombs were constituted was different from that used by the outfits active in Jammu and Kashmir.
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Al-Qaeda hand suspected in Delhi bombings
You think? Sure it weren't them dadburned JOOOOOOOS?
Algerian Islamic militants with suspected links to al Qaeda have killed four people, including one soldier, in the latest attacks during the holy month of Ramadan, newspapers reported on Saturday. Rebels, believed to be members of al Qaeda-aligned Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC), cut the throat of an injured soldier after firing on him at an ambush late on Wednesday in Skikda province, some 500 km (310 miles) east of the capital, Algiers, national dailies, including Liberte and El Khabar, said. Two civilians were killed two hours later when their car drove over a bomb planted by the same militants, who apparently targeted a military convoy, newspapers said. In a separate attack, rebels slit the throat of a 70-year-old shepherd in the neighbouring province of Batna. Authorities were not immediately available for comment.
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At least 10 persons were detained in New Delhi on Saturday following the three serial blasts, which killed more than 50 people. Five of them were picked up from the New Delhi railway station and the others from other railway stations and bus terminals, police sources said. High explosive devices, suspected to be RDX, were used in carrying out the blasts, the sources said.
Three powerful blasts, timed to strike within minutes of each other, killed at least 55 and injured over 155 people triggering off a wave of fear and panic across a festive city out on Saturday evening shopping for Diwali and Id. Casualty figures are expected to rise but this is already the worst single-day terrorist strike in the Capital. A nationwide alert has been issued as the Centreâs national crisis management group went into a huddle late this evening. Although Union Home Minister Shivraj Patil said it was too early to say who was behind the blasts, security agencies said they were not ruling out the involvement of Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba. Washington, too, issued an alert advisory to all its nationals to maintain a âlow profileâ in Delhi.
You had a Qaeda big turban show up on Thursday, and Saturday there's a series of bus booms. I wouldn't want to jump to conclusions, but...
The blasts come the day a Delhi court deferred sentencing in the Red Fort attack case. Seven, including one Pak national, were convicted earlier this week for terror crimes.
Should have just hung them on the spot.
Expressing his shock and distress, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said: âThe target is clearly innocent citizens. Efforts to spread chaos and disturb peace will not be allowed to succeed at any cost. The government is determined to defeat nefarious designs of terrorist elements.â
So he thinks it's Qaeda, too...
Two hours after the police had defused a bomb at Khari Baoli, came the first explosion. At around 5.40 pm, it ripped through the busy Paharganj market near the New Delhi railway station. The market, frequented by backpack foreign tourists, was thronged with Diwali and Id shoppers. Eleven were feared killed here. Police said they suspect the bomb was planted in a rickshaw. The rickshaw-driver, who was killed, was identified late tonight as Sadanand Paswan, 35, of Bihar.
The maximum deaths occurred with the next explosion in the overcrowded Sarojini Nagar market in South Delhi where a bomb placed in a bag in a chat and juice shop went off at around 5.45 pm killing more than 39 people. Seven minutes later, another explosion rocked Govindpuri injuring 9 persons including the driver and conductor of a Delhi Transport Corporation bus on the Outer Ring Road route. The bus was packed when the blast happened. Said Delhi Police Commissioner K K Paul said: âThe explosive was in a bag. There were a couple of gas cylinders which exploded too setting adjoining shops on fire. This is the handiwork of some organisation.â
I'm only guessing, but I'll betcha I know which one...
Is it too late for India to withdraw its offers of quake aid?
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Contrasting the Heroic Mujaheddin with a Sikh and a Hindoo virtually picked at random, I'll go with the Sikh and the Hindoo. Only the Islamic world equates heroism with murder.
The story of the blast on a packed Delhi Transport Corporation bus in south Delhiâs Govindpuri could have been similar to those of the two crowded markets. But a few seconds before the bomb went off, Budh Prakash and Kuldeep Singh changed the terroristsâ script. Prakash, 42, the conductor of the DTC bus on the Outer Ring Road route and Singh, its driver, are now at Delhiâs All India Institute of Medical Sciences â Prakash with minor injuries and Singh in a critical condition. But their presence of mind saved scores of passengers. The Govindpuri toll: No death, nine injured.
A passenger sighted a black rexin bag three seats behind the driverâs and alerted Prakash. He made the driver stop the bus. ââThere were 100 passengers on the bus at that point so we stopped the bus near Okhla Mandi and took the bag out. The driver saw a wire hanging out of the bag which was about two-feet long. The only solution seemed to be to throw the bag away and as the driver was doing that, the blast happened,ââ said Prakash who has minor injuries on his arm. Singh is seriously injured. ââHis whole arm has burnt and he is in a critical state at the moment. Had the conductor and the driver not taken action in time, many lives would have been lost,ââ said DTCâs chairman and managing director A. Majumdar.
ââThe man who had the black bag probably got down from the bus near Kalkaji Temple,ââ said Devi Lal, a DTC employee. Afzal, a labourer, had just boarded the bus when the driver asked the passengers to rush out. ââIt all became dark and I injured my arm with everyone rushing out. The bus was absolutely packed when they asked us to step off.ââ
Glass splinters on the road and the smashed windshield of the bus with a dried blood stain told the story of an attack which was foiled. For the DTC official on the spot, it was a proud moment. ââWe had clearly instructed our staff to be on the look-out for any unclaimed baggage and had told them to move people out in case they spotted anything suspicious. Thank God they were alert today. If not for them....ââ
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I can only hope that Americans learn to be so sharp-witted. All praise to Kuldeep Singh and Budh Prakash for their bravery. Good people doing great deeds.
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2b: Yes, I am a regular reader for about three years now. Why do you ask? Why don't you let Fred speak for himself?
It wasn't an attack, just a minor point. Why denigrate a noble group of people by gratuitously misspelling their name? Why do you feel compelled to rush to Fred's defense? Hmmmm. The word sycophant comes to mind.
A minor point for you, maybe you will remember it from childhood: Speak when spoken too, otherwise mind your own business.
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So is it Ju or Jooo or Hinjooo? All I know is that it isn't Khan, but Khannnn!
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Beanie, we know it's 'Hindu', and the Hindus are a noble, good people.
We spell it 'Hindoo', as we spell Jew 'Jooooo', whenever we're trying to make a point.
-- AoS
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lol! Don't go picking on poor Fred. A weak and fragile flower he is. No doubt he was so grateful for my defense.
Forgive me for thinking you were not a regular rantburg reader when your sensitivities were so deeply offended over long running light hearted joke which you obviously misunderstood.
I ight need to stand up for you next time, rantburg might be a bit too rough and tumble for you.
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Actually, to wax pedantic for a moment (what, me a pedant? Perish the thought!) hindoo is an official and alternative spelling. I do believe it was the spelling used by preference by Rudyard Kipling and Mark Twain, so to the modern eye it might appear a bit archaic (which would explain Fred's choice. I haven't caught him out in a point of ignorance yet). The spelling Jooooooooo follows naturally, besides so much better mimicking the actual pronunciation of the Jew-haters. ;-)
Beanie, welcome. Just so you know, Mr. Pruitt might poke his head in as often as twice a day, and responds as it pleases him, and as his paying job and outside life allow. And the boys and girls do play rough, and not just with chew toy trolls. ;-)
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Rantburg is a rough crowd lately. What's got everybody's calvins in a knot?
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What's got everybody's calvins in a knot?
It might have something to do with not being able to suffer fools gladly. Rantburg's masthead alone should serve sufficient notice that Robert's Rules of Order may not always reign supreme hereabouts.
Pakistani border guards have arrested a man who claimed to be an American citizen for entering Pakistan illegally from neighboring Iran, an official said Saturday. The man, identified as Essa Jesus, 56, was arrested late Friday in Taftan, a southwestern Pakistani town near the border with Iran, said Akbar Lashari, a senior official with Levies, a police force responsible for security along the border and in tribal parts of southwestern Baluchistan province.
"He had no visa. When he was interrogated, he said that he is a tourist from America and a resident of Alabama," Lashari said. Lashari said the man could speak Urdu, Pashtu and Persian â languages spoken mainly in Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan. The U.S. Embassy in Islamabad said it had no information about the arrest in Taftan, about 435 miles southwest of Quetta, the capital of Baluchistan.
In a telephone interview with The Associated Press, the man said he lost his American passport and other documents in Iran five years ago. "I came to Pakistan to go to the American Embassy and get my passport," he said. He said he was a former restaurant waiter in Alabama and left the United States 40 years ago, going first to London, then India, and then traveling in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran.
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Wo would have thunk the son of the big guy came back to his chosen people in Alabama! He did however, go where he would have been needed most, Iran. This is sounding like a Monty Pithon Skit. Jesus lived in a single wide in Alabama, realized they were unsaveable, and move to Iran.
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If the gentleman is from Alabama, the Dept. of State officer may well not be able to understand his English, unless he, too, is from that part of the South. ;-) But goodness! wandering for forty years so far from home! And how on earth did he survive for five years without papers in Iran? Does nobody find that the least bit queer?
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Gunmen shot and seriously wounded a member of Saudi Arabia's security forces in the holy city of Mecca on Saturday, Saudi authorities said. A security official told Reuters 
Police arrested two more suspected militants here Friday night in connection with the August 17 bombings in the district, following tips given by one already in custody. Police nabbed Anis from his Sunakandar village home and Masud from Bhawanipur in the town following the confessional statement of Mamun. Mamun was arrested here Friday morning suspecting him as a leader of the outlawed Jamaâatul Mojahideen Bangladesh. Police said he admitted to his being member of âIslami Prochar Mediaâ and disclosed the names of 10 others of the propaganda group of militants.
The government has ordered the law enforcing agencies to stay on high alert in the border areas in a bid to resist the entry of the most wanted 128 top listed terrorists of six SAARC countries inside Bangladesh, for making foolproof security during the SAARC summit scheduled to be held on November 12 to 13.
Two more people suspected of belonging to a terrorist network planning a suicide attack in Europe were arrested in Denmark, police said Saturday. The man and woman, who were not identified, are suspected of assisting four young Muslims who were arrested Thursday in Copenhagen on charges of planning an "imminent" terror attack. A court on Saturday ordered the man and woman held until Nov. 16 while police investigate the allegations, police said. Police spokesman Ole Schultz said the two were suspected of "assisting terror attempts," but did not elaborate.
Iran is backing a Shia insurgent campaign of systematically assassinating former elite Iraqi air force pilots as part of a covert sectarian war against Sunnis, according to senior politicians in Baghdad. The spate of murders of pilots has prompted an intervention from Jalal Talabani, Iraq's president, who has offered them safe haven in his native Kurdistan even though some of them were involved in dropping chemical weapons there. Alleged Iranian involvement in the killings has heightened sectarian tensions in Iraq and could increase diplomatic pressure on Tehran. Former senior military officers, overwhelmingly from Saddam Hussein's favoured Sunni sect, are among the most alienated groups in Iraq and form a key element of the Arab nationalist section of the insurgency.
A bomb hidden in a truck loaded with dates exploded Saturday evening in the center of a Shiite farming village northeast of Baghdad, killing 26 people and injuring at least 34. The bomb in the Shiite village of Huweder, about 45 miles northeast of Baghdad, exploded as villagers were heading to the mosque for prayers or outdoors in the cool evening breeze to break the daylong fast they observe during the holy month of Ramadan. Police Lt. Ahmed Abdul Wahab, who gave the casualty figure, said the number of deaths could increase because several survivors were critically wounded. The village is in a religiously mixed area plagued by suicide attacks, roadside bombs and armed assaults on police checkpoints. At the hospital in nearby Baqouba, seriously wounded victims lay on stretchers on a blood-smeared floor as doctors and nurses in bloodstained white coats scurried about, trying to cope. Distraught relatives held intravenous bottles beside their loved ones' beds.
IRAN has promised a reward of $10,000 (£5,600) to Islamic Jihad if the militant group launches rockets from the West Bank towards Tel Aviv, a senior Palestinian intelligence official said last week.
Israeli aircraft fired missiles at open areas in northern Gaza early Saturday and ground troops set up a second artillery battery near the coastal strip â part of an intensifying campaign against Palestinian rocket fire on Israeli border areas. Israeli air strikes have killed eight Palestinians in Gaza this week, including a fighter whose car was struck Friday evening, while he was on a mission to fire rockets. Palestinian Interior Minister Nasser Yousef told his security chiefs that "firm and serious action" would be taken against facilities used to manufacture or store weapons, his office said in a statement released Saturday. But there was no talk of disarming factions, as Israel has demanded, and the statement said Palestinian security forces "would not enter any house looking for weapons." 
Government forces killed a brother of a top Abu Sayyaf leader in a clash with his group in the village of Asturias, Jolo, on Friday, officials said. Joloâs military chief, 
Iran's Revolutionary Guards have set up a network of secret smuggling routes to ferry men and equipment into Iraq for attacks on coalition troops, according to an exiled opposition group. The smuggling is said to be orchestrated by the guards' elite Quds Force, which has its HQ in the southern Iranian city of Ahwaz. 
Police in southern Pakistan yesterday arrested five suspected members of an outlawed Islamic militant group for collecting donations for victims of the earthquake, an investigator said.
Police raided scores of places across the capital, including Paharganj, Chandni Chowk, Zakir Nagar, Okhla, Lajpat Nagar and Nizamuddin throughout the night, police sources said on Sunday. At least 22 people were picked up for questioning by the joint teams of Intelligence Bureau and police, the sources said. Investigators said that the bomb blasts could have been carried out by Pakistan based Lashker-e-Taiba in league with Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda's hand is suspected considering the way the bombs were constituted was different from that used by the outfits active in Jammu and Kashmir.
Algerian Islamic militants with suspected links to al Qaeda have killed four people, including one soldier, in the latest attacks during the holy month of Ramadan, newspapers reported on Saturday. Rebels, believed to be members of al Qaeda-aligned 
At least 10 persons were detained in New Delhi on Saturday following the three serial blasts, which killed more than 50 people. Five of them were picked up from the New Delhi railway station and the others from other railway stations and bus terminals, police sources said. High explosive devices, suspected to be RDX, were used in carrying out the blasts, the sources said. 
Three powerful blasts, timed to strike within minutes of each other, killed at least 55 and injured over 155 people triggering off a wave of fear and panic across a festive city out on Saturday evening shopping for Diwali and Id. Casualty figures are expected to rise but this is already the worst single-day terrorist strike in the Capital. A nationwide alert has been issued as the Centreâs national crisis management group went into a huddle late this evening. Although Union Home Minister 
The story of the blast on a packed Delhi Transport Corporation bus in south Delhiâs Govindpuri could have been similar to those of the two crowded markets. But a few seconds before the bomb went off, Budh Prakash and Kuldeep Singh changed the terroristsâ script. Prakash, 42, the conductor of the DTC bus on the Outer Ring Road route and Singh, its driver, are now at Delhiâs All India Institute of Medical Sciences â Prakash with minor injuries and Singh in a critical condition. But their presence of mind saved scores of passengers. The Govindpuri toll: No death, nine injured. 
