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Tora Bora assault: Allies press air, ground attacks
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Afghanistan
Tora Bora assault: Allies press air, ground attacks
US and Afghan troops pressed an air and ground assault on Thursday against Al Qaeda militants grouped in the Tora Bora mountains of eastern Afghanistan, the last known hideout of Osama bin Laden.
Afghan media reports said 50 Taliban had been killed but a district governor said these "are only rumours at this stage".
Afghan media reports said 50 Taliban had been killed but a district governor said these "are only rumours at this stage". Local residents said three villages had been bombed by the forces and up to 30 civilians had been killed in the fighting. The US military denied the reports.

Pakistani military said it had reinforced the border to stop militants escaping across the frontier. US military spokeswoman Captain Vanessa Bowman said the operation was intended to disrupt Al Qaeda and other militants in the region. The assault was using precision munitions to avoid civilian casualties, she said, and intelligence indicated the fighters had gathered in dug-in fighting positions.

The US-led coalition here and Afghan officials have reported the emergence of a new anti-government outfit in the area called the Tora Bora Front. The shadowy group is believed to be an Al Qaeda-linked unit set up by the son of Younus Khalis, a key commander in the Afghan resistance to the Soviets, who later joined forces with the Taliban.
If he's not dead yet, Younus must be 158 years old. He was the Count of Jalalabad back in the day.
Posted by: Fred || 08/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda

#1  The Afghans must have been utterly hypnotized with curiosity as to why the US and NATO consistently undercount enemy killed and wounded. That is just not done in Asia, and they must have spent sleepless weeks pondering it.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 08/17/2007 0:29 Comments || Top||

#2  why?
Posted by: Pheaper Sinatra3986 || 08/17/2007 1:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Because Soylent Green is jihadis?
Posted by: SteveS || 08/17/2007 7:39 Comments || Top||

#4  Hey whatever happened to the Northern Alliance? Did they all just go back to being dope farmers and goat herders?
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/17/2007 8:36 Comments || Top||

#5  ...dope herders...
Posted by: M. Murcek || 08/17/2007 9:35 Comments || Top||

#6  #5 ...dope herders...
Posted by: M. Murcek 2007-08-17 09:35

We need a few of those in Washington. Lord knows we've got enough dopes, especially in Congress.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 08/17/2007 12:06 Comments || Top||

#7  Coupla good Sheep Dogs should do it, Border Collies and the like. (IQ of congresscritters is not notacibly above sheep anyway)
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 08/17/2007 18:05 Comments || Top||

#8  Most of the quality troops from the Northern Alliance have been absorbed into the ANA and are stationed where they can protect things like Kabul, electric generation plants, water and sewer systems, etc. Those target zones are where one always puts the most reliable troops, since those targets are the big ticket items for a country.
People need to understand that for the first time in its history, Afghanistan has a national government that is holding sway over large areas of the country, not just the 20 miles around Kabul. Afghanistan has NEVER before had a functional central government that actually control things or ran the country - even in the days of the King, he only had control over the major portion of Kabul, everything else was under the control of the local warlords who gave lip service to being "servants of His Majesty".
There is a reason that Afghanistan was known as the "End of the World" from Alexander the Great's time forward : one big, empty, and tribal infested area with too few cities, roads, or navigable rivers to be worth the effort.
Posted by: Shieldwolf || 08/17/2007 21:13 Comments || Top||


Africa Horn
Grenade attacks in capital Mogadishu case causality
(SomaliNet) As the current Somali government declared it will form Iraq-styled 'Green-Zone' to prevent the attacks from the insurgent groups, some seven grenade attacks aimed at the government soldiers happened in the Somalia capital Mogadishu on Wednesday causing human casualty.

Meanwhile, two soldiers died when roadside bomb exploded on their vehicle in Yaqshid district, north of the capital mid today. Two soldiers have also been wounded in similar explosion which occurred near the former dairy factory in the city. A Somali commander, Nor Ali Hirey, told the local media that he had escaped from that attack.

Around Black-Sea junction in Hodan district, one person was killed in grenade explosion aimed at government soldiers. Shortly after the attack, the security forces sealed off all roads for investigations over who was behind the latest attack. The local insurgents carried out the attacks, according to sources. Another grenade explosion targeting on the government troops has occurred in Bacaad market, north of the capital. No casualty was reported on the soldiers.

Also unidentified gunmen has killed a civilian man and wounded another man in Bakara market around 12:30pm local time. Witnesses told Somalinet one of the attackers armed with pistol shot the victim from close range.

The number of day light grenade attacks on the government positions has increased recently as the Ethiopian forces continue hunting down what they called 'the terror groups.' The latest incidents came as Somali Premier Ali Gedi in Nairobi, Kenya. said his government will create 'green-zone' to protect the Iraq-styled insurgent attacks.
Posted by: Fred || 08/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Islamic Courts


Somalia: Kaboom kills 3, wounds 18 in Afgoie town
(SomaliNet) At least three people were killed and 18 others wounded yesterday when grenade bomb exploded inside the livestock market in Afgoie town, 30 kilometers south of the Somalia capital Mogadishu, witnesses said. According to the witness, the bomb was targeting on municipals that were collecting taxes inside the market but the explosion killed three civilians, one of whom was businessman.

Among the victims was a teenage boy who was killed in the blast. After the incident, the security forces cordoned the scene of the explosion and began investigations over who was behind the latest bomb attack. By yesterday, no one was arrested for the attack as the police commander in the town pledged that they will pursue the plotters. Like wise, no group had claimed the responsibility of the attack as Afgoie town had seen several times of bombings.
Posted by: Fred || 08/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Islamic Courts


Somalia: Government soldier killed in friendly fire
(SomaliNet) One soldier was killed and two civilians were wounded in friendly gunfire which occurred north of the Somalia capital last night, sources said on Wednesday -amid the insurgency escalating in the war-ravaged city of Mogadishu.

Residents told Somalinet that soldiers within the government mistakenly exchanged gunfire last night causing the death of one police officer while two civilians injured by stray bullets. After 15 minute gun battle, the government soldiers recognized each other. Meanwhile, Islamic insurgent groups have carried out hit and run attacks on two government positions in Mogadishu. The first assault was targeted on the Hodon district police station while the second hit was targeted on government barracks in the main industry road of the capital. No casualty was reported on the soldiers.
Posted by: Fred || 08/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Islamic Courts


Sudan arrests 20 extremists, seizes explosives
Sudanese police have arrested 20 young Islamist extremists over the past days and seized weapons and explosives, the justice minister said Wednesday. "It is still premature to speak of any ties with Al-Qaeda," said the minister, Mohammed Ali Mardhi, but added it could not be excluded either. The men, in their 20s, were arrested between Sunday and Tuesday in various locations in the capital Khartoum and its sister city Omdurman. One policeman was wounded in an exchange of fire with the extremists. Stores of guns and explosives including nitroglycerin were found in the homes they had rented, he said.
Posted by: Fred || 08/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda


Down Under
Former Lebanon terrorism suspect jailed for Sydney shooting
A 32-year-old man who was cleared of suspected terrorist activity in Lebanon has been jailed for nine years over a shooting in Sydney's south-west. Saleh Jamal fired a handgun at a man at Greenacre almost nine years ago.The victim, who cannot be named for legal reasons, did not suffer life threatening injuries.

While on bail for another matter in 2004 Jamal fled the country. He was arrested in Lebanon on terrorism related offences, convicted, but acquitted on appeal.

He said he had been tortured in jail with the approval of Australian authorities, but a District Court judge today said there was no evidence that Australian officials had any responsibility for his treatment.
Standard al-Q claim.
Jamal was extradited to Australia over the Greenacre shooting and found guilty by a District Court jury. In sentencing him to nine years in jail, the judge described Jamal as a man of violence.

He thanked the judge and said he would ask God to give him a peaceful life. The court heard Jamal plans to study counter-terrorism and chemistry. He will be eligible for parole in two years, given the time he spent in custody in Lebanon.
A bit more about this maggot.
Posted by: tipper || 08/17/2007 09:36 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: al-Tawhid

#1  Diversity, how did we ever live without it?
Posted by: Red Dawg || 08/17/2007 11:25 Comments || Top||

#2  This article says: Saleh Jamal fired a handgun at a man at Greenacre almost nine years ago.The victim, who cannot be named for legal reasons, did not suffer life threatening injuries.

Greenacre is in Lakemba.

From the link: He then skipped bail on charges of shooting at the Lakemba police station in Sydney's southwest in 1998.

So, which was it? An innocuous stray bullet that missed its mark? Or was this cretin trying to gun down some police officers? If these were two separate incidents, why was the latter and more serious offense omitted. If not, why was the serious nature of this crime downplayed?

This is almost as screwy as what comes next:

The court heard Jamal plans to study counter-terrorism and chemistry.


This is someone who is suspected of a terrorist attack in Damascus, had ties to Zarqawi and al Qaeda, used a false passport then suddenly has reformed himself and wants to study counter-terrorism counterintelligence and chemistry bomb-making.

Whatever judge gave this psychopath time-served for his incarceration in Lebanon so that he will be out in a mere two years—just enough time to cram on counterintelligence and bomb-making—needs to be put on a watch list.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/17/2007 12:45 Comments || Top||

#3  Diversity, how did we ever live without it?

Diversity, how are we going to live with it?
Posted by: Natural Law || 08/17/2007 13:16 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
12 terrorists arrested after raids at Manipur legislator's homes
Imphal, India: Twelve members of banned insurgent groups were arrested and pistols, ammunition, rifle parts and extortion notes seized from the official residences of three MLAs of the ruling Congress and the home of a former legislator during a search in Manipur’s capital on Friday.

Eight cadres of the Kanglei Yaol Kanna Lup (KYKL) were arrested from the home of Congress MLA W Brajabidhu Singh in the high-security Babupara area, where only ministers and legislators live, during a search carried out following reports that militants were sheltering there, Director General of Police Y Joy Kumar Singh told reporters here.

A disassembled M-16 rifle, two 9 mm pistols, ammunition and extortion letters addressed to businessmen were seized from the septic tank of a toilet in the MLA's residence.

A cadre of the Kangleipak Communist Party (KCP) and one of the People's Liberation Army (PLA), both banned groups, were arrested from the official residence of another Congress MLA, K Meghachandra Singh, the police chief said.

A cadre of the People's Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak (PREPAK) and a KCP member were arrested from the homes of Congress MLA Bijoy Koijam and former MLA N Sovakiran during the search, he said.

Cases have been registered against the three MLAs and the former legislator. The developments had been brought to the notice of the government, he said.

The search, headed by Inspector General of Police M Karanjit Singh, was continuing at Brajabidhu Singh's house.
Posted by: john frum || 08/17/2007 12:38 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Probably time to impose Presidential rule from Delhi
Posted by: john frum || 08/17/2007 12:50 Comments || Top||


Indian Army to help train Thai troops
Thailand will be sending an army contingent to India take tips from the Indian Army on fighting jihadis insurgency and participate in counter-terrorism training, it was reported Friday. Nearly 100 troops from the Royal Thai Army - which is battling a violent terrorist separatist campaign in southern provinces - will participate in a defence exercise at an army base in India's eastern state of Jharkhand, the Hindustan Times newspaper reported.

The exercise, called "Maitree" - meaning "friendship" in both Hindi and Thai - is the first of its kind between the two armies and planned for early September under a bilateral treaty on security cooperation.

In a joint statement issued during Thai Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont's visit to India in June, the two countries resolved to strengthen bilateral cooperation and combat terrorism. Both sides said terrorism constituted one of the most serious threats to international peace and security.

Security analysts told the Hindustan Times that such military collaboration forms a crucial component of India's "Look East" policy under which it seeks to consolidate ties with its fast-growing eastern neighbours.

"India is aggressively establishing its credentials in the military sphere with Asean countries," Uday Bhaskar, former director of Delhi-based Institute of Defence Studies and Analyses told the newspaper. "New Delhi is following a bilateral approach to expand defence ties - and not under the Asean Regional Forum banner - as these nations have a lot of internal sensitivities," he added.

India has also established maritime cooperation with a number of Asean members including Indonesia, Malaysia, Myanmar, Singapore and the Philippines.

In the past few years, a number of countries including the United States have been conducting military exercises with India to pick up tips in fighting insurgency. US Marines are due to conduct joint exercises at the Counter Insurgency and Jungle Warfare School in India's north-eastern state of Mizoram next month.
Posted by: ryuge || 08/17/2007 08:17 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Thai Insurgency

#1  Any "encounter special_ists" in the Indian Army?
Posted by: ed || 08/17/2007 15:39 Comments || Top||


15 killed in Waziristan
Ten militants and three soldiers were killed in an attack on a military convoy in South Waziristan, while two soldiers were killed and four others injured when their vehicle hit a roadside bomb in North Waziristan on Thursday.

"Militants ambushed a military convoy near Chaghmalay, and air support was sought against them. Ten militants were killed and 12 injured while the security forces suffered two casualties," military spokesman Major General Waheed Arshad told Daily Times.

Arshad said that two soldiers were killed and four others injured in a roadside explosion near Kaka Ziarat in Teti Madakhel, 70 kilometres north of North Waziristan's Mir Ali town, and the security forces had arrested six persons for carrying out the attack. The attacked convoy was heading to Dhandikach from the Speenwam area near the Pak-Afghan border, he added. The killing of the militants came hours after South Waziristan Political Agent Hussainzada Khan held a meeting with a 21-member Mehsud peace committee for the safe recovery of 15 Frontier Corps personnel taken hostage by the militants last week.

Maulana Mirajuddin, member of the National Assembly from the MMA, said the clash at Chaghmalay could hinder the safe release of the 15 FC personnel. "We discussed the release of the FC personnel and peace with the political agent. However, hours later the militants and security forces clashed and let's hope this incident does not affect the release of the kidnapped personnel," he told Daily Times by phone from Tank city.

Residents of Jandola, entry point of South Waziristan, said the Wana-Tank highway was blocked after Mehsud militants stopped traffic to and from Wana. This, they said, may lead to a conflict between the Mehsud and Wazir tribes. Truckloads of tomatoes and apples of the Wazir tribesmen in Wana waited for a long time for security clearance for upcountry transportation as the Mehsud militants blocked the Wana-Tank highway. The highway was later opened for traffic in the afternoon.

Earlier, Wazir elders said they feared a "full-scale war between the Mehsuds and Wazirs if the highway remained blocked and attacks on security forces in Wazir areas by Mehsud militants continued. Maj Gen Arshad said the government would not let the two tribes go to war.

Separately, NWFP Governor Ali Jan Orakzai held a meeting with elders and pro-Taliban clerics in North Waziristan on Thursday, officials and security sources said. It was the governor's first visit to Miranshah after his return from Kabul where he attended the joint peace jirga of Pakistan and Afghanistan. Orakzai said that the 2006 peace deal with the pro-Taliban militants had "no guarantee mechanism" for implementation.
Posted by: Fred || 08/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Taliban

#1  15 down and what, a coupla million to go?
Posted by: M. Murcek || 08/17/2007 11:30 Comments || Top||


Iraq
Odierno Highlights Operations Phantom Strike, Phantom Thunder
Iraqi and coalition forces are pursuing extremist leaders in Iraq’s remote areas in coordinated “quick strikes” that launched this week, the commander of Multinational Corps Iraq told Pentagon reporters today.

Operation Phantom Strike is a series of joint operations that extend from Operation Phantom Thunder, a corps-level offensive that began in June targeting al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiia extremists in, near and around Baghdad, said Army Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno.

“With the elimination of safe havens and support zones due to Phantom Thunder, al Qaeda and Shiite extremists have been forced into ever-shrinking areas. It is my intent to pursue and disrupt their operations,” Odierno said.

Over the coming weeks, the general said, combined forces will conduct quick-strike raids against extremist sanctuaries and staging areas. Using precision-targeting operations, troops will target terrorist leaders and members of lethal improvised-explosive-device and car-bomb networks, he said.

“We will continue to hunt down the leadership, deny them safe haven, disrupt their supply lines and significantly reduce their capability to operate in Iraq,” Odierno added.

In the first 24 hours of one “quick-strike” raid, Multinational Division North soldiers captured and killed several enemies and seized weapons caches in the Diyala River Valley. Called Operation Lightning Hammer, this operation targeted extremists as they tried to re-establish sanctuaries, the general said.

Odierno highlighted some successes of Operation Phantom Thunder, which launched June 15. In 142 battalion-level joint operations, Iraqi and coalition forces detained 6,702 suspects, killed 1,196 enemies and wounded 419 others. Combined forces also killed or captured 382 high-value targets, he said.

Troops also cleared 1,113 weapons caches and scores of IEDs and car bombs. “The number of found and cleared IEDs, (car bombs) and caches are approximately 50 percent higher than the same period last year due, in large part, to effective tips provided by concerned Iraqi citizens,” the general added.

Odierno warned that high-profile attacks may rise as two important dates approach. In the early weeks of September, Ramadan, Islam’s holiest month, begins. Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, commander of Multinational Force Iraq, is slated to present an anticipated report to Congress around the same time.

“Our enemy is ruthless and will no doubt attempt to exploit the upcoming Ramadan season, as well as influence political opinions in the coming weeks by increasing attacks with particular emphasis on high-profile terror attacks,” he said.

But extremists’ efforts are increasingly hampered by civilians who cooperate with coalition forces as troops ramp-up raids around the country, Odierno said.

“Al Qaeda and other extremist elements will have to contend with an Iraqi population that no longer welcomes them,” he said, “as well as quick-hitting offensive operations by coalition and Iraqi forces.”
In the past two months we have annihilated the equivalent of a heavy brigade of enemy.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 08/17/2007 19:51 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Iraqi Insurgency

#1  Is that heavy brigade equiv. tending more toward the leadership/emir/officer role? If so then then damage is worse.
Posted by: 3dc || 08/17/2007 20:23 Comments || Top||

#2  Odierno highlighted some successes of Operation Phantom Thunder, which launched June 15. In 142 battalion-level joint operations, Iraqi and coalition forces detained 6,702 suspects, killed 1,196 enemies and wounded 419 others. Combined forces also killed or captured 382 high-value targets, he said.

This is the kind of info the American people should have been hearing from Sept 12, 2001. Instead we get the picture and bio of every American killed on the Evening news. Wonder how WWII would have turned out if the evening news or papers were devoted to the 200 killed each and every day.
Posted by: ed || 08/17/2007 22:15 Comments || Top||


U.S. captures 'high-priority' Iranian officer in Baghdad - Kill Three Aides
The U.S. military has reported the capture of a senior officer of Iran's elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps stationed in Baghdad.

U.S. forces, which are taking aim at key Iranian officers based in Iraq, conducted a raid that nabbed the officer of the IRGC's Quds Force and killed three of his aides.

"Coalition troops continue to target terrorists who bring weapons and explosives, especially explosively formed penetrators, and other aid into Iraq," U.S. military spokesman Lt. Col. Christopher Garver said. "Coalition forces will continue their focused operations against unhelpful Iranian influence interfering in Iraq."

Officials said IRGC has become a major U.S. target, particularly in the Baghdad area.

"The captured high-priority individual was responsible for smuggling explosively formed penetrators, Katyusha rockets and other weapons from Iran into Iraq," an official said. "The target was also responsible for distributing those weapons to special groups and extremist militants operating throughout Baghdad. The weapons smuggler had direct ties to senior militant leaders and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps Quds Force."

A military statement said nine gunmen were killed in a series of raids in Iraq. The statement said the detained IRGC officer facilitated the flow of weapons from Iran to Iraq and their distribution to Shi'ite and other militias.

Officials said five others were arrested during the raid. They said Iranian officers were transferring weapons and finances to a range of militias in an effort to force a U.S. military withdrawal from Iraq.

U.S. military spokesman Brig. Gen. Kevin Bergner said insurgents have received Iranian 240 mm rockets for attacks against the U.S.-led coalition. Bergner said U.S. forces recovered some of the 240 mm rockets in the Ninveh province on Aug. 14.

"The 240 mm rocket is a large-caliber projectile that has been provided to militia extremists groups in the past along with a range of other weapons from Iranian sources," Bergner said.

The Bush administration plans to designate IRGC a terrorist group. The Quds Force was said to be responsible for liasion with and assistance to a range of Middle East insurgency groups, including Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hizbullah.

The army also reported the killing of six Al Qaida insurgents and the detention of another 26 fighters in operations east of Balad. U.S. and Iraqi combat units also found a cache of weapons and bombs in an Al Qaida stronghold.

"Terrorists cannot conceal themselves in small villages, disrupting the lives of Iraqi citizens," Garver said. "There was no safe havens for terrorists here, as operations will continue to seek them wherever they hide."
Posted by: Anonymoose || 08/17/2007 19:28 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under: IRGC

#1  How do you say "causus belli" in Farsi?
Posted by: Rambler || 08/17/2007 20:48 Comments || Top||

#2  so how is the venerable venereal MSM reporting this? Here's the headline currently up:
"U.S. actions against Iran raise war risk, many fear"

U.S. actions against Iran ???? Un-F***ING-believeable!!

The MSM collectively is this era's Tokyo Rose!!
Posted by: Justrand || 08/17/2007 21:02 Comments || Top||

#3  The MSM collectively is this era's Tokyo Rose!!

Posted by: doc || 08/17/2007 21:26 Comments || Top||

#4  I have no problem with these skirmishes, as long as the US realizes that the Iranians will have to deploy the 'use it or loose it' scenario with their armaments should the 'fat hit the fan'. You want to see a grown man (me) spontaneously combust, than let one of their C-802 missiles get through to hit one of our carriers. I want everything larger than a gnat's ass tracked, before the first button is pushed!!
Posted by: smn || 08/17/2007 21:56 Comments || Top||


U.S. forces attack Iraqi 'mosque' after soldier killed by RPG from mosque
U.S. troops battled gunmen in a mosque after their combat outpost north of Baghdad came under machinegun and rocket-propelled grenade fire that killed one soldier, the U.S. military said on Friday. The military said an aircraft fired a Hellfire missile at two gunmen on the roof of the Sunni Arab mosque in the town of Tarmiya on Thursday after ordering everyone inside to evacuate.

"These insurgents displayed total disregard for the community by using a mosque, a sacred place for Muslims to worship, as a sanctuary to commit their acts of terror," said Major Mike Garcia, spokesman for U.S. troops in the area. He said the mosque sustained only minor damage in the operation in which 20 people were detained. The U.S. combat outpost had been repeatedly attacked by gunmen in the mosque since May, he added.
Rooters editorial staff adds:
While it is unusual for U.S. troops in Iraq to attack religiously sensitive sites such as mosques or even enter them, they have launched assaults in the past on mosques suspected of being used as bases for militants or to store weapons.
Posted by: Seafarious || 08/17/2007 15:48 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Iraqi Insurgency

#1  A US soldier dies again for a PC correct rule.
Posted by: 3dc || 08/17/2007 16:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Why "attack" the mosque and risk more of our soldiers' lives? Call in an airstrike or artillery to level the damned pisshole along with everyone inside of it.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/17/2007 16:27 Comments || Top||

#3  Yeah...like Zen said!
Posted by: Ho Chi Threrese8236 || 08/17/2007 16:31 Comments || Top||

#4  Because, Zen, you flatten the place, you end up making enemies out of the entire neighborhood - and getting a ton more soldiers killed as they have to sort out the hood for the next 6 months. Or I suppose you'd say kill all them too, huh?

Think it through. Mindlessly blowing shit up is stupid if you don't think through the consequences.
Posted by: OldSpook || 08/17/2007 17:50 Comments || Top||

#5  So Spook, what's your answer? They just keep doing this sh*t and it ain't gonna stop while they can get away with it.

Love to hear your plan.
Posted by: Hupomble Fillmore7347 || 08/17/2007 18:13 Comments || Top||

#6  A Hellfire hits the roof and the mosque is still standing? Was it defective?
Posted by: Anonymoose || 08/17/2007 18:17 Comments || Top||

#7  I'll offer a plan. I'm not military, but I think I can noodle this one out.

OPSEC requires that this be done quietly with no advance warning.

H-hour is about 0500. Surround the mosque with a cordon of Iraqi Army troops leavened with a few US advisors. No one in, no one out. Vehicles stay away.

Put a UAV overhead -- two -- and make sure the data stream works.

Get the local mayor on board to help with the PR effort with the citizens. The PR effort is mounting AFTER the operation but needs to be planned in ADVANCE.

Iraqi army special forces and US Marines/Rangers lead the way. You have LOTS of manpower for this. You have an Apache loitering nearby if you need that kind of firepower. Your people arrive in Bradleys and Strykers to augment firepower. That helps make the cordon something no one wants to mess with.

No warning. Doorknockers gain entry. All doors are opened (not blown, opened) at once. IA leads the way inside to ensure that no one gets too upset at infidels inside. Everyone inside gets one chance to throw his mitts in da air and come out. Forfeit the chance and you forfeit your life.

Real important -- this is methodical, careful, basic infantry work. Our guys KNOW how to do this. There's no need to blow the place up; you take it apart carefully, grab the bad guys and use the intel. Anyone shoots, you flatten them.

Clear the mosque a room at a time. IA leads, US forces advise and follow. Everything is searched, and you look for hidden weapons caches, etc.

Operation ends successfully. Bad guys are hauled away, mayor gets the keys to the mosque, PR campaign starts, and IA/US forces do their after-action review.

That's how I'd do it.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/17/2007 18:31 Comments || Top||

#8  If Islam is a religion of peace, then any site from which shots are fired, cannot be a bona fide mosque. Still CAIR berates US counterattacks. Then again they insist that ALL the Gitmo detainees are muslims. US security first!
Posted by: McZoid || 08/17/2007 18:51 Comments || Top||

#9  Because, Zen, you flatten the place, you end up making enemies out of the entire neighborhood

With all due respect, OldSpook, I'll argue that. Recent events have sufficiently polarized the average Iraqi citizen against terrorists to—what I'd like to think is—a sufficient degree whereby it would no longer garner so much public opprobium if a jihadist hive got demolished.

Of course, such a concept relies heavily upon a simple and highly cost effective tactic that the current administration has ignored completely: Namely, you leaflet the entire neighborhood and carefully explain how and why their local mosque needed a complete remodeling job. Let's look back into the article:

the Sunni Arab mosque

The U.S. combat outpost had been repeatedly attacked by gunmen in the mosque since May, he added.

A.) It's a Sunni mosque. Right about now, they're not the most popular kids on the block.

B.) This taurine fecal matter has been going on for many months. Somehow, I doubt that this escaped any notice by the locals.

Combine the two and it's pretty safe to say that a major retaliation would only be decried by the usual suspects.

Or I suppose you'd say kill all them too, huh?

PS: You can lay off the exceedingly tiresome and thoroughly disproven "kill 'em all" meme anytime. Either that or start providing some cites and links.

Steve, compare the cost of your operation with lobbing in a few shells or missiles. Yes, I'll admit that your method would gather more intelligence. I still maintain that leveling the place would serve substantially towards pour encourager les autres.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/17/2007 20:32 Comments || Top||

#10  Leveling the Moskkk feels better than it works.

It does a good job of getting the bad guys, but it also acts as a punitive measure against the locals. The problem with that, is that it amounts to nothing more than stirring the ant hill. Its already well established that this type of punitive measure doesn't work in Iraq. Argueably, for punitive measures to work there, they would have to be monsterously punitive and we, as a nation, are not willing to do that. Which leaves us with only one option. Conventional COIN: Working with the locals and bringing them to your side. (at least while you need them)
Posted by: Mike N. || 08/17/2007 21:05 Comments || Top||

#11  Hell, we could have our 'cake' and eat it also; leave the building standing, just liquidate the life...One mini neutron warhead would do the trick; the ones with the self 'melting' shell, "wink-wink"! Those who KNOW, know what I'm talking about! But Oh, if your going to keep it a secret, than use the damn thing!!!
Posted by: smn || 08/17/2007 21:37 Comments || Top||

#12  Working with the locals and bringing them to your side.

Fer cripe's sake, Mike N., there's no "bringing them to your side". Do you even understand that? America represents Law based upon human decision and election. Islam is wholely founded upon Koranic dictates and nothing else, period. Permitting people to self-govern is an outright abomination to Muslims, are we clear?

I'll try to come back and address your other points, but this one is entirely overriding.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/17/2007 21:54 Comments || Top||

#13  Argueably, for punitive measures to work there, they would have to be monsterously punitive and we, as a nation, are not willing to do that.

How does that—in any way—disqualify the need for "monsterously punitive" measures? In case no one has noticed, this is what will be required to get Islam's collective attention.

It's like the farmer who sells a stranded salesman his prize mule so he can ride it into town. The salesman hops into the saddle and—despite his "gees" and "gaws"—gets precisely nowhere.

After half an hour of this nonsense, the salesman demands his money back from the farmer. The old geezer walks up to the obstinant mule and slams down an arm's length of two by four squarely in between its beady eyes. While the mule staggers blindly about the farm's courtyard, the farmer tells the salesman, "First you have to get his attention."

WE HAVE YET TO GET ISLAM'S ATTENTION.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/17/2007 22:05 Comments || Top||

#14  The problem with that, is that it amounts to nothing more than stirring the ant hill.

Mike N., you're dangerously close to the "killing terrorists only creates more terrorists" meme. I doubt that this is your intention but I hope you'll drop in and explain it away. Or not.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/17/2007 22:14 Comments || Top||

#15  Nothing sez the imams are immune to roadside bombs or 7.62x54.
Posted by: ed || 08/17/2007 22:30 Comments || Top||

#16  Yo! Mike, OldSpook, nuthin' to say?
Posted by: Zenster || 08/17/2007 23:05 Comments || Top||

#17  stuff a sock in it. Jeebus
Posted by: Frank G || 08/17/2007 23:24 Comments || Top||


OxyMoron
From a CNN article about a fight:
The first incident occurred late Thursday when soldiers from Task Force Lightning came under attack from the Honest Mohammed Mosque -- a Sunni house of worship in Tarmiya. A soldier was killed and another was wounded.
You can't miss it, Achmed, it's right next to the taqiya-ria; they sell used RPGs as a sideline
Posted by: Themble Jump7107 || 08/17/2007 12:08 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Iraqi Insurgency

#1  Honest Mohammed Mosque and Used Car Emporium...
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/17/2007 15:34 Comments || Top||


Airstrikes and snipers kill 13 in Iraq
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. aircraft and army snipers killed 13 gunmen north of Baghdad on Friday in fierce fighting that erupted as troops closed in to capture an al Qaeda cell leader, the U.S. military said.

The U.S. military this week announced the launch of a major new offensive targeting al Qaeda and Shi'ite militias, who they fear will step up attacks ahead of a key report on the Iraq war due to be presented to the U.S. Congress in September.

It launched an operation east of the town of Tarmiya on Friday targeting an al Qaeda leader "who provides guidance to senior terrorist leaders".

After being shot at from several buildings, troops had called in air strikes that forced out four gunmen, including a woman wearing a ski mask, who were then killed by aircraft and sniper fire, the U.S. military said. Nine more gunmen were killed during the fighting.

"Despite coalition forces' appeals for the terrorists to send out women and children to be taken to safety, a boy was killed in a building with an armed terrorist who had engaged the ground forces," a military statement said.

A day earlier U.S. forces in Tarmiya attacked a Sunni mosque in the town after machinegun and rocket-propelled grenade fire on their combat outpost killed one soldier. More than 3,700 U.S. soldiers have been killed since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.

U.S. President George W. Bush has sent an extra 30,000 troops to Iraq to help clamp down sectarian violence between Shi'ite Muslims and Sunni Arabs and buy Iraq's divided leaders time to reach a political accommodation.

Moderate Kurdish and Shi'ite blocs formed a new alliance on Thursday to support Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's government in an attempt to break a political deadlock that has paralysed decision-making and stalled agreement on crucial legislation. Continued...

Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 08/17/2007 11:47 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Iraqi Insurgency

#1  A day earlier U.S. forces in Tarmiya attacked a Sunni mosque in the town after machinegun and rocket-propelled grenade fire on their combat outpost killed one soldier.

It's encouraging to hear that mosques aren't off-limits, nevermind al-Rooter's vague wording that carefully avoids directly connecting that mosque with said machinegun and RPG fire.
Posted by: xbalanke || 08/17/2007 13:18 Comments || Top||


Iraqi Army, U.S. Special Forces detain seven suspected terrorists in western Ninewa Province
Soldiers from the 3rd Brigade, 3rd Iraqi Army Division, with U.S. Special Forces advising, conducted a cordon and search operation in the village of Abu Bareyj, near Bulayj, and detained seven suspected terrorists Aug. 14.

One of the alleged terrorists was detained during the initial search on the east side of the village. The individual is a suspected cell leader and is believed to be operating a safe-house used by anti-Iraqi forces to conduct attacks in the Bulayj area. One other suspicious individual was also detained.

Another five individuals were detained during a search of the west side of the village who are believed to be part of a terrorist cell that is responsible for attacking an Iraqi Army checkpoint in Bulayj two weeks prior.
Posted by: Fred || 08/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda in Iraq


Coalition Forces Kill Three, Detain Six, Capturing a High-Priority Special Groups Weapons Smuggler
Coalition Forces captured a highly sought Special Groups weapons facilitator before dawn Thursday northeast of Baghdad.

Coalition Forces conducted a raid to capture a known weapons smuggler and distributor connected to various Special Groups. The captured high priority individual was responsible for smuggling explosively formed penetrators (EFP), Katusha rockets and other weapons from Iran into Iraq. The target was also responsible for the distribution of those weapons to Special Groups and extremist militants operating throughout Baghdad. The weapons smuggler had direct ties to senior militant leaders and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps-Quds Force.

On the approach to the objective, Coalition Forces were fired upon by three armed gunmen. Coalition Forces returned fire, killing the three gunmen.

Five others detained during the raid are suspected of distributing weapons smuggled into Iraq from Iran. Four of the detainees tested positive for explosives residue. One of the buildings searched during the raid produced money and questionable documents that were confiscated for analysis and evaluation.

"Coalition troops continue to target terrorists who bring weapons and explosives, especially explosively formed penetrators, and other aid into Iraq," said Lt. Col. Christopher Garver, MNF-I spokesperson. "Coalition Forces will continue their focused operations against unhelpful Iranian influence interfering in Iraq. We remain committed to dismantling terror networks that seek to kill innocent Iraqis and the security forces that protect them."

Posted by: Fred || 08/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: IRGC

#1  Damn, now that's a big fish.
Posted by: mojo || 08/17/2007 10:59 Comments || Top||

#2  With the rate that photo has shown up lately, we're seriously over-fishing the "waters" of Iraq. Not that I want anything to change...

We need some big-shot mufti to declare a fatwa that anyone convicted of being a terrorist, or aiding them in their terrorist activities, will lose his left hand at the wrist, be declared an infidel, and shunned by all muslims. That would be more effective than any of the other crap we've tried that DIDN'T work. Begin with Maliki and al-Sadr.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 08/17/2007 12:18 Comments || Top||

#3  Guys our Captain In Kona practiced "catch and release" but a grander that's going back to the dock!
Posted by: bruce || 08/17/2007 16:53 Comments || Top||


Six terrorists killed, 5 suspects detained in coordinated operations
Coalition Forces killed six terrorists and detained 26 suspected terrorists linked to al-Qaeda in Iraq during coordinated operations east of Balad the week of Aug. 9-14.

Coalition Forces conducted the two operations to disrupt terrorist operations in the area. During a 24-hour operation Aug. 10, they found a small cache of machine gun rounds and components used to make improvised explosive devices. The ground forces detained 21 suspected terrorists for their alleged ties to al-Qaeda in Iraq.

Several women on the scene wept while the men were detained. They told ground forces they were crying because they were happy that their sheikh, who had been run out by terrorists, could return to the community.

Coalition Forces followed up the 24-hour operation with a precision raid Aug. 14. As they began the operation, surveillance teams observed several men maneuvering into a previously secured area near the assault force. Coalition Forces, responding to the organized enemy force, requested close air support to engage the men. After the air strike, ground forces assessed six terrorists were killed in the engagement, and detained five suspected terrorists on the scene.

"Terrorists cannot conceal themselves in small villages, disrupting the lives of Iraqi citizens," said Lt. Col. Christopher Garver, MNF-I spokesperson. "There are no safe havens for terrorists here -- we will continue to seek them out wherever they hide."

Posted by: Fred || 08/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: al-Qaeda in Iraq


U.S. Special Forces target terrorist ops in N. Iraq, detain 8
Iraqi Forces, with U.S. Special Forces as advisers, targeted Al Qaeda in Iraq and and other terrorist operations in two intelligence-driven operations Aug. 15 across northern Iraq. The forces detained eight suspected terrorists, including the leader of a sniper cell in western Mosul.

In the first operation in the Al Mansour district of western Mosul, Iraqi Security Forces detained an alleged sniper amir who operates in western Mosul. Intelligence indicates the targeted individual actively recruits snipers to his cell from other groups and smuggles these snipers back and forth over the western Iraqi border in order for them to receive advanced sniper training in Syria. The forces also seized weapons, ammunition and assorted documents at the suspect's residence.

In a second operation, the 3rd Brigade 5th Iraqi Army Division forces detained leader of an Al Qaeda in Iraq terrorist smuggling cell in the Hamrin Ridge region. Five other suspicious individuals were also detained. The forces also found weapons and ammunition at the targeted location.
Posted by: Fred || 08/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Iraqi Insurgency


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Zakaria Zubeidi's brother arrested in Jenin
Authorities announced that Daud Zubeidi, the brother of Al Aksa Martyrs' Brigades commander Zakaria Zubeidi, was arrested three months ago during an exchange of fire with IDF troops, Israel Radio reported Thursday evening.

Zubeidi confessed to investigators that he was planning to kidnap an Israeli woman from the village of Ya'abed, near Jenin. The woman would come to the village routinely to buy charcoals for barbecue and Zubeidi was planning to exploit his knowledge of her routine to hijack her, he said.
Posted by: Fred || 08/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: al-Aqsa Martyrs


Hamas detains Palestinian attorney general
Hamas detained the Palestinian attorney general in the Gaza Strip on Thursday, the highest-ranking Palestinian Authority official to be seized by the Islamists ruling Gaza, witnesses said. Members of Hamas's Executive Force detained Ahmed al-Mughani and his bodyguards after besieging his office in Gaza City and then driving off with the men, they said.

Mughani is close to Hamas's secular rival, the Fatah party headed by president Mahmud Abbas. He is the highest official from the Palestinian Authority to be detained by the Islamists since they seized control of the Gaza Strip in a bloody takeover two months ago, overrunning security forces loyal to Abbas.

There was no immediate comment from Hamas as to why Mughani was detained. On July 31, a hardline Hamas leader said the group aimed to reform the judicial system in Gaza to try Fatah members for alleged graft. "We are going to reform and reconstruct the judicial system," said Mahmud Zahar, who served as foreign minister in the first cabinet that Hamas formed after it swept a legislative election in January 2006.
Posted by: Fred || 08/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under: Hamas

#1  Right. They will reform the judicial system all right. They will bring the guilty bastards in, give them a fair trial and then hang (or shoot) them. Or maybe they will save time and skip the trial part.
Posted by: Rambler || 08/17/2007 15:44 Comments || Top||


Southeast Asia
Two shot, 18 rounded up in southern Thailand
Sweeping through Narathiwat's Sungai Padi district Friday, a 300-strong paramilitary ranger task force detained 18 terrorists insurgent suspects and seized seven weapons during a followup raid after a clash between authorities and militants in the area on August 10. The rangers also confiscated ammunition, radio transceivers, 20 mobile phones, and remote control circuitry. All detainees will be questioned by the police and undergo forensic tests.

Meanwhile, in Yala, two rubber tappers, a father and son, were attacked and shot by an unknown number of gunmen after their early morning work in a local rubber plantation on Friday morning in Thanto district. The victims, identified by police as Waelae Waemong and his 19-year-old son, were rushed to hospital.
Posted by: ryuge || 08/17/2007 08:06 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under: Thai Insurgency

#1  Why not just shoot 20?
Posted by: classer || 08/17/2007 8:26 Comments || Top||

#2  Oooh! Lookie - another counter-insurgency expert!

like we don't have enough of 'em here...
Posted by: Pappy || 08/17/2007 10:13 Comments || Top||

#3  The whoosh of a 9-iron is heard in the 'burg.
Posted by: Shuling Sinatra5599 || 08/17/2007 13:07 Comments || Top||


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Syrian killed in Leb kaboom
A bomb exploded at a scrap metal shop in the Bekaa Valley in east Lebanon on Thursday, killing a Syrian man and injuring five Syrian nationals. The explosion took place in the village of al-Rawda, near the provincial capital of Zahleh.

Syrian national Hassan Qaderi was using a fire rod to open a closed barrel at his store in the eastern Bekaa Valley, the officials said. The bullets caught fire and the barrel exploded, killing the 40-year-old instantly, the officials said. The blast also wounded Qadri's three sons who work at the family business, and two other Syrian nationals. The five injured people were rushed to a hospital for treatment. Police searched the yard for further bombs, but did not disclose the results of the investigation.
Posted by: Fred || 08/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Saw stuff like this all the time in Iraq- Hajji scrap metal collector gets blown to bits trying to clean out old bit or UXO. Film @ 11.

These guys are simply not ready for the modern world.
Posted by: N Guard || 08/17/2007 6:09 Comments || Top||

#2  My favorite's still the Thai guy that blowed hisself up beatin' on an old tank mine with a hammer.
Posted by: mojo || 08/17/2007 11:01 Comments || Top||

#3  Send a large shipment of two-pound hammers, complete with comic-book instructions on "How to defuse old ordnance".
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 08/17/2007 18:15 Comments || Top||


Good morning
Posted by: Fred || 08/17/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  In the Wazoo, Innocence proves Nothing!
Posted by: N Guard || 08/17/2007 6:03 Comments || Top||

#2  Nice hat!
Posted by: OyVey1 || 08/17/2007 10:14 Comments || Top||

#3  Didn't realize they had airbrushes way back then.... either that or she is not anatomically "correct"
Posted by: Captain Uloluth7216 || 08/17/2007 18:15 Comments || Top||

#4  Right, no cleavage.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 08/17/2007 18:17 Comments || Top||

#5  Right, no cleavage.

Silly me. I thought they had flesh-toned skin-suits back then. That'll teach me.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/17/2007 23:03 Comments || Top||



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