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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Say it isn't so Alert: Possible Plea Deal in Madoff Case
If he knocked off a McDonalds for $50 and a bag of fries he'd be in jail.
While Bernard Madoff is trying to cut a deal with U.S. prosecutors, criminal investigations are heating up in connection with the so-called feeder funds that invested with the accused Ponzi scheme mastermind.

The U.S. Attorney's office confirmed Tuesday to FOX Business Network that discussions have taken place with Madoff's attorneys "concerning a possible disposition of this case."

That undoubtedly means Madoff is negotiating to tell everything and cooperate fully in exchange for a lighter sentence, a common tactic in potentially long, complicated and expensive cases. Madoff's attorney, Ira Sorkin, couldn't immediately be reached for comment.

Meanwhile, Spanish prosecutors are probing the relationship between Madoff and Europe's second largest bank, Banco Santander, according to the Wall Street Journal. Santander lost more than $3.1 billion for its clients who had invested with Madoff through investments operated by the European banking giant. Santander lost a fraction of that amount.

Legal experts say the investigation by Spanish prosecutors is likely the first of many such probes into how much these feeder funds knew about Madoff's operations and when they became aware that something was drastically wrong.

The Wall Street Journal said Spain's anticorruption prosecutor would examine the relationship between Santander, Fairfield Greenwich Group, and the Madoff funds, citing the prosecutor's office. Fairfield Greenwich Group is an investment fund, whose clients stand to lose $7.5 billion in the alleged $50 billion Ponzi scheme.

According to the Journal, investigators are looking into why Santander Chairman Emilio Botin sent his head of risk management operations to visit Madoff weeks before the scheme fell apart. Investigators are also looking into whether several people who managed money at Santander funds were aware of problems at the Madoff funds.

Santander could not be immediately reached for comment.

Madoff remained holed up in his $7 million Manhattan penthouse Tuesday, a day after U.S. Magistrate Judge Ronald Ellis refused to revoke his bail. Ellis ruled that prosecutors had failed to convince him that Madoff represented either a flight risk or a danger to society.

Madoff, 70, was arrested on Dec. 11 and charged with one count of securities fraud. He is accused of bilking investors, many of them Jewish charities, of possibly tens of billion of dollars by using money from new investors to pay off old investors, a classic Ponzi scheme.

Prosecutors sought to have Madoff jailed last week after the disgraced financier mailed expensive jewelry and other items reportedly worth more than $1 million to family members around Christmastime. But, according to the judge, the government failed to prove the crux of their case: that no set of bail conditions could ensure both that Madoff would appear in court and also keep the community safe.

Ellis added further restrictions to Madoff's bail, however, including a requirement that Madoff itemize every piece of personal property in his Upper East Side apartment and provide that list to the court. A private security firm will check the items every two weeks, and also search Madoff's outgoing mail.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 01/13/2009 15:48 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This compliments the story about the father and son who were arrested for cutting in line at Wal-Mart.
They go to jail for cutting in front of an off duty cop, Madoff steals $50Billion and walks around free.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 01/13/2009 18:44 Comments || Top||

#2  Who are they trying to get him to roll over on?
Posted by: Glenmore || 01/13/2009 19:17 Comments || Top||


Psycho Killer On Loose In Oklahoma
El Reno Police and OSBI have identified a suspect in the multiple murders discovered Monday afternoon at the Elizabeth Place Apartments in El Reno. Investigators are searching for Joshua Steven Durcho (dob 2-21-83). Durcho has multiple tattoos on his body including one on the back of his neck. Agents believe he is driving the victim’s 1989 white Ford Thunderbird which has front end damage.

Twenty-five-year-old Summer Garas and her four young children were found dead inside their El Reno apartment at about 4 p.m. Monday.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 01/13/2009 13:44 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


-Obits-
RIP An Old, Yet Bold Helicopter Pilot
James T. Newman, a Vietnam War helicopter pilot whose rescues of downed airmen earned him the Distinguished Service Cross and other honors, has died. He was 73.

Newman's son, Jay, said he died Sunday at the University of North Carolina medical center in Chapel Hill of complications associated with lung cancer.

Newman was twice nominated for the Medal of Honor, the highest military award for valor. While he did not receive that medal, he did get a Distinguished Service Cross, the nation's second-highest award for combat valor, the Silver Star, four Distinguished Flying Crosses, the Bronze Star, Purple Heart and 23 Air Medals, among others.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 01/13/2009 19:08 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  With Cajones that large, I am surprised he could even get in a helicopter.

That list of medals is both awe inspiring and humbling. To think of some of the crazy crap he had to have pulled to be nominated for the CMOH TWICE.......Lawd Have Muhcy!!!!

We need more men like this and we need to honor these achievements. There are so many stories of boundless heroism buried and forgot because they occurred in an inconvenient and politically incorrect war.
Posted by: James Carville || 01/13/2009 21:12 Comments || Top||


-Short Attention Span Theater-
Would be robber killed in Sushi Chefs Banzai Charge - He was out knifed
An armed robber was killed by a waiter in a "Kill Bill" style stabbing during an attempted raid on a Paris sushi restaurant.

Two men stormed the Planet Sushi restaurant in the city's Latin Quarter on Sunday night, brandishing a knife and a stun gun and demanding money from the restaurant's cash registers, according to eyewitnesses.

But, unwilling to sacrifice the night's profits, the Japanese waiters reportedly turned on the would-be thieves.

"They pointed a stun gun at a waiter and demanded the cash from the till, but the staff grabbed kitchen knives and charged at the men," a customer in the busy restaurant said. "It was like a moment from Tarantino's 'Kill Bill' films."

Detectives, who arrived at the scene minutes later, said the stabbed robber, 22, died as he was taken to hospital. The second was being questioned.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 01/13/2009 12:29 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That's not a knife.

Now, THAT's a knife.
Posted by: AlanC || 01/13/2009 12:46 Comments || Top||

#2  Robber, Filled to Death, then marinated in a Teriyaki-pineapple sauce before being rolled in a rice ball with just a hint of Wasabi.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 01/13/2009 13:29 Comments || Top||

#3  Fukui-san? Tonight's theme ingredient will be scoundral.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 01/13/2009 14:53 Comments || Top||

#4  Dude, "Youths" killed by japanese, only in exotic France.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 01/13/2009 14:55 Comments || Top||

#5  Went to restaurant in Hermosa Beach last November called Club Sushi,. Menu includes Sushi and Pasta with Mexican Sushi Chefs.

The food was great and the chefs make a great spicy ponzu sauce for the Sashimi.

No attempted robberies.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 01/13/2009 15:13 Comments || Top||

#6  When dealing with a Japanese chef, do not bring a gun to a knife fight.
Posted by: gorb || 01/13/2009 18:54 Comments || Top||

#7  Today's special sushi: Perpetrator Roll
Posted by: DMFD || 01/13/2009 20:21 Comments || Top||

#8  This is France, so the waiters will go to jail.
Posted by: Eric Jablow || 01/13/2009 20:47 Comments || Top||


Ann Coulter steps into a cat fight on the "View"
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 01/13/2009 11:25 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  In a battle of wits, the Spew Crew was overmatched.
Posted by: William Marcy Tweed || 01/13/2009 12:09 Comments || Top||

#2  An unfair fight. Required intelligence and rhetorical debating skills. Outside of Coulter the others lack all of that including Hasselbeck.
Posted by: Jack is Back || 01/13/2009 13:01 Comments || Top||

#3  5 on 1?
Who would walk into an interview like that?
Not me, I'd tell them to piss off and the interview would be over.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 01/13/2009 13:16 Comments || Top||

#4  Elizabeth has gone over to the Dark Side.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 01/13/2009 13:36 Comments || Top||


Natalie Dylan's Virginity Now Worth $2.5 Million
Natalie Dylan, a twenty two year old women's study student, is not the first woman to try to auction off her virginity for money. But Natalie Dylan, which is a pseudonym, appears to be the most successful so far in running up the bidding.

The highest bid for a night of passion with Natalie Dylan has come to $2.5 million. At least ten thousand men have out in bids to relieve Natalie Dylan, a cute brunette, of her virginity.

Natalie Dylan decided to auction her virginity off when she learned that her sister had worked for three weeks as a prostitute in order to pay for college. When she started the bidding about three or so months ago, Natalie Dylan had hoped that she would get a bid of a million dollars. That she now has the bidding up to two and a half times that number seems incredible.

The winning bidder will get to enjoy Natalie Dylan's favors at the famous Bunny Ranch brothel in Nevada, where prostitution is legal. She has undergone a polygraph test and is willing to undergo a medical exam to prove her sexual status to the satisfaction of the winning bidder.

Now the question arises when seeing this story again, what kind of guy is going to shell out two and a half million dollars for a one night stand with someone who is not, after all, experienced? To be sure some of the bidders, according to Natalie Dylan, are men with questionable morals and taste, even by the standards of men who would bid on such an auction. But others seem to be polite businessmen who want to show Natalie Dylan a good time.

A night with a high class call girl, we are informed, might cost a few thousand dollars and might include the kind of kinks that Natalie Dylan is unwilling to participate in. So it is a mystery how Natalie Dylan's virginity is suddenly worth two and a half million dollars. Remember, the price is one night, not to keep Natalie Dylan for any length of time after that.
Posted by: Beavis || 01/13/2009 10:05 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Women's study student"...that says it all
Posted by: borgboy || 01/13/2009 16:18 Comments || Top||

#2  You've gone to the finest school all right, Miss Lonely
But you know you only used to get juiced in it
And nobody has ever taught you how to live on the street
And now you find out you're gonna have to get used to it
You said you'd never compromise
With the mystery tramp, but now you realize
He's not selling any alibis
As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
And ask him do you want to make a deal?
Posted by: swksvolFF || 01/13/2009 16:31 Comments || Top||

#3  Let's make a bet:

her offer is phony, and so are the biddings.
Posted by: European Conservative || 01/13/2009 16:37 Comments || Top||

#4  ...so is her virginity.
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 01/13/2009 17:38 Comments || Top||

#5  Hey, Red Dog! I put you in for $2.6M!
Posted by: gorb || 01/13/2009 18:58 Comments || Top||

#6  It doesn't take much to translate this story into urdu or arabic.
Posted by: Halliburton - Mysterious Conspiracy Division || 01/13/2009 19:41 Comments || Top||

#7  I'm betting on shenanigans. Natalie is angling for a thesis topic or a book deal.
Posted by: SteveS || 01/13/2009 21:36 Comments || Top||

#8  Wasn't this on Cable's REAL SEX a few years ago, i.e. a University research student whom was doing a formal study on women sex workers/incomes?, and decided afterwards to make good use of her new post-graduation Degree(s) by working as a regular sex employee at the Bunny Ranch.

IIRC she claimed she had indeed been making 00,000's per annum - Milyuhns and Zilyuhns and Tilyuhns - at "the Ranch"???

* OTOH, METHOUGHT THE BUNNY RANCH WAS SUPPOS TO HAD BEEN PERMANENTLY CLOSED A LONG WHILE BACK.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 01/13/2009 22:32 Comments || Top||

#9  Maybe Bunny Ranch was (hop, hop) but Chicken Ranch wuzn't (peck, peck).

Posted by: Spike Uniter || 01/13/2009 22:54 Comments || Top||

#10  I gots me a 50 billyun dolluh brand spankin new Zimbob paper bill that sez she's mahn!!!!!!
Posted by: Alaska Paul in Haines, AK || 01/13/2009 23:11 Comments || Top||

#11  The Mustang Ranch fell under IRS control, then eventually ended up closing.
Posted by: Pappy || 01/13/2009 23:41 Comments || Top||


Bangladesh
She died to save neighbour from killers
Let's remember Ms. Saha today.
She died showing a rare courage of braving bullets and bombs of miscreants to save her neighbour. Parvez Howlader, 30, an activist of Awami League, died on the spot on the night of January 4 at Pabla Palpara under Daulatpur Police Station in Khulna city as miscreants sprayed bullets and threw bomb on him.

His neighbour Suparna Saha was fatally injured with bullets and bomb splinters as she tried to save him. She died on Friday while under treatment at Squire Hospital in Dhaka. Twenty-three year old Shuparna Saha, was a final year student of MA in Social Science at Daulatpur Government BL University College. Shuparna was married to Rajib Saha only 16 months ago.

Hearing shots and bomb blasts, she rushed out of her house to save neighbour Parvez. Seeing the miscreants firing at him, she fervently appealed to them to stop. But Shuparna fell down as a bullet hit her head. While fleeing after finishing the targeted killing, the miscreants exploded a bomb to confirm death of the AL activist. Bomb splinters also pierced into her head.

For Suparna, it was a rare show of courage and good neighbourliness.

She was cremated Saturday evening at her husband's native village at Baroipara under Kalia upazila in Narail district. Hundreds of men, women and children irrespective of caste and creed gathered to see the cremation.

Daulatpur police could not make any headway in investigation into the double murder case. State Minister for Labour and Employment Begum Mannujan Sufian and Khulna City Corporation Mayor Talukder Abdul Khaleque went to the house of Shuparna Saha at Pabla to console her relatives.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/13/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  May her family be comforted.
Posted by: Unealet Dark Lord of the Apes4621, also known as Adriane || 01/13/2009 2:14 Comments || Top||


Britain
Brown says prince's 'Paki' remark unacceptable
What're you gonna do? Fire him?
Have Brown flogged.
As you wish, your princeliness!
Posted by: Fred || 01/13/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  All this excitement over three-year-old video of the Prince joking around with classmates is ridiculous.

The supposed "victim" of the Prince's comments is unlikely to be too bothered - for reference, here is a link to a photo of him with the Queen of England (at bottom of page): http://www.sandhurst.mod.uk/news/archive/apr06/index.htm
Posted by: Lone Ranger || 01/13/2009 1:58 Comments || Top||

#2  But comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is perfectly all right.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/13/2009 6:13 Comments || Top||

#3  Was there ever a soldier anywhere who did NOT speak 'unacceptable' ethnic words? For that matter, are there any such words when speaking with or of your battlemates?
Posted by: Glenmore || 01/13/2009 9:59 Comments || Top||

#4  You know, if they didn't like the term, it occurs to me they shouldn't have made it up when they created their country.
Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain || 01/13/2009 10:03 Comments || Top||

#5  I agree with Snowy.

I got in a huge argument on a UK blog over that term. I finally asked "What is bad about it? It's just a shortening of the nation's name?"
Nobody could give me a decent answer....
Posted by: 3dc || 01/13/2009 10:13 Comments || Top||

#6  'Stan' means 'Land', right? So 'Paki-Stan' means 'land of the Pakis,' right? So wouldn't a person from the Land of the Pakis be a Paki?
Posted by: Glenmore || 01/13/2009 11:16 Comments || Top||

#7  You people don't understand. It's politically incorrect because the Pakis say so. Bow down before them, infidels.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 01/13/2009 11:29 Comments || Top||

#8  This just in: calling a spade a spade now deemed hate speech.
Posted by: William Marcy Tweed || 01/13/2009 12:08 Comments || Top||

#9  I suspect that Pak is ok, whereas Paki is not. (If our British correspondents could chime in on this point?) The answer to why a given term is offensive is because historically the intention was derogatory.

Nonetheless, this fuss over a private video made three years ago is a bit of posturing for effect. The real question, to me, is how the video got out now, and why.
Posted by: trailing wife || 01/13/2009 12:23 Comments || Top||

#10  So calling a cunt a cunt isn't rude or taboo if one is referring to a ladie's front bottom?

And in polite company you'd mention that you are leaving the table to go and have a shit?

Words are bad because of they meaning that become associated with them. "Paki" is a very offensive term because its usually yelled by people who hate asians and like to kick their heads in.
Posted by: dirtyspudwater || 01/13/2009 12:40 Comments || Top||

#11  Words are bad because of they meaning that become associated with them

Like "illiterate tranzi scrote"?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/13/2009 12:51 Comments || Top||

#12  Paki Paki Paki

Maybe to find the bad association they should look within...
Posted by: Hellfish || 01/13/2009 13:10 Comments || Top||

#13  Back to my original question: Who would even WANT a soldier who was so PC he could not utter a potentially offensive term? I surely do prefer this prince to that Charles fellow.
Posted by: Glenmore || 01/13/2009 13:19 Comments || Top||

#14  'Paki' is generally an offensive term in the UK, in the same sort of vein as 'nigger' - it's offensiveness depends on the context and who's using it, which is why you should just apply common sense when dealing with it and hearing it. For Prince Harry to use it in the way he was is affectionate. And the usual crowd are spinning it to try to make people interpret it as exactly the opposite.
Posted by: Bulldog || 01/13/2009 13:23 Comments || Top||

#15  We Are Not Amused
Posted by: mojo || 01/13/2009 15:22 Comments || Top||

#16  It is the military. It is in Jest. Harry is the only one worty to be King anyway.
Posted by: newc || 01/13/2009 17:03 Comments || Top||

#17  Bend Over Like Brown (2009)

Rated:R
Posted by: Poison Reverse || 01/13/2009 17:37 Comments || Top||

#18  Tell Brown to 'stuff it up his arse', as they say in merry ol' England.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 01/13/2009 18:50 Comments || Top||

#19  I don't see the slur on this list
Posted by: 3dc || 01/13/2009 20:28 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Australia offers 'best job in world' on paradise island
Here you go Fred. If they get you wi-fi you could snorkle and run the Burg ...
SYDNEY (AFP) -- An Australian state is offering internationally what it calls "the best job in the world" -- earning a top salary for lazing around a beautiful tropical island for six months. The job pays 150,000 Australian dollars (105,000 US dollars) and includes free airfares from the winner's home country to Hamilton Island on the Great Barrier Reef, Queensland's state government announced on Tuesday.

In return, the "island caretaker" will be expected to stroll the white sands, snorkel the reef, take care of "a few minor tasks" -- and report to a global audience via weekly blogs, photo diaries and video updates. The successful applicant, who will stay rent-free in a three-bedroom beach home complete with plunge pool and golf buggy, must be a good swimmer, excellent communicator and be able to speak and write English.

"They'll also have to talk to media from time to time about what they're doing so they can't be too shy and they'll have to love the sea, the sun, the outdoors," said acting state Premier Paul Lucas. "The fact that they will be paid to explore the islands of the Great Barrier Reef, swim, snorkel and generally live the Queensland lifestyle makes this undoubtedly the best job in the world."

Lucas said the campaign was part of a drive to protect the state's 18 billion Australian dollar a year tourism industry during the tough economic climate caused by the global financial meltdown. "Traditional tourism advertising just doesn't cut it sometimes and we are thinking outside the box by launching this campaign."

Queensland Tourism Minister Desley Boyle said some people might question whether it was risky to let an unknown person become an unofficial tourism spokesperson for the state. "I think the biggest risk will be that the successful candidate won't want to go home at the end of the six months," she said. "This is a legitimate job which is open to anyone and everyone."

Applications are open until February 22. Eleven shortlisted candidates will be flown to Hamilton Island in early May for the final selection process and the six month contract will commence on July 1. Job-seekers can apply on the Net.
Posted by: Steve White || 01/13/2009 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  excellent communicator and be able to speak and write English

well that rules out over %90 of recent US graduates.
Posted by: Abu do you love || 01/13/2009 1:09 Comments || Top||

#2  Great, this is how they spend my tax dollars. Meanwhile our highways are cut after 1 day of heavy rain and the pot holes threaten to swallow my car. Desley you're a twit. Typical Labor, do it if it feels good, reward the lazy, psychologist that you are!
Posted by: Gladys || 01/13/2009 6:14 Comments || Top||

#3  Life on a desert island:

http://tiny.cc/vhktt

http://tiny.cc/nEoeM
Posted by: Anonymoose || 01/13/2009 11:09 Comments || Top||

#4  Will there be a chimpanzee?
Posted by: mojo || 01/13/2009 11:35 Comments || Top||

#5  Prolly must have a BMI of 22 or less too.

Wouldn't want to project the wrong image.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 01/13/2009 13:05 Comments || Top||

#6  @Gladys

I guess you are Australian?
Rest assured that this campaign is not a waste of taxes... it will generate a lot more tax dollars than it spends.

They only forgot to include a Swedish bikini team
Posted by: European Conservative || 01/13/2009 16:44 Comments || Top||


Europe
German elite police detained after off-duty brawl at a brothel
THREE elite Frankfurt police officers who were involved in an off-duty brawl at a brothel have been detained by police and are under investigation for assault. Confirming a report in Bild newspaper, the spokesman said the three officers of the elite SEK anti-terrorism unit had been transferred to another department pending the outcome of the investigation by the state prosecutors' office.

The three officers, aged 30, 32 and 35, were in a red-light district of Germany's financial capital after an office party.

They got into a dispute with the brothel's bouncers that turned violent. Police arriving detained the three off-duty colleagues
Posted by: tipper || 01/13/2009 11:52 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Did they, at least, win?
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 01/13/2009 12:52 Comments || Top||

#2  No happy ending?
Posted by: Besoeker || 01/13/2009 12:57 Comments || Top||


Home Front Economy
California Dreaming turns into a nightmare
LOS ANGELES -- Mike Reilly spent his lifetime chasing the California dream. This year he's going to look for it in Colorado. With a house purchase near Denver in the works, the 38-year-old engineering contractor plans to move his family 1,200 miles away from his home state's lemon groves, sunshine and beaches. For him, years of rising taxes, dead-end schools, unchecked illegal immigration and clogged traffic have robbed the Golden State of its allure.

Is there something left of the California dream?

"If you are a Hollywood actor," Reilly says, "but not for us."

Since the days of the Gold Rush, California has represented the Promised Land, an image celebrated in the songs of the Beach Boys and embodied by Silicon Valley's instant millionaires and the young men and women who achieve stardom in Hollywood.

But for many California families last year, tomorrow started somewhere else. The number of people leaving California for another state outstripped the number moving in from another state during the year ending on July 1, 2008. California lost a net total of 144,000 people during that period -- more than any other state, according to census estimates. That is about equal to the population of Syracuse, N.Y.

The state with the next-highest net loss through migration between states was New York, which lost just over 126,000 residents.

California's loss is extremely small in a state of 38 million. And, in fact, the state's population continues to increase overall because of births and immigration, legal and illegal. But it is the fourth consecutive year that more residents decamped from California for other states than arrived here from within the U.S.

A losing streak that long hasn't happened in California since the recession of the early 1990s, when departures outstripped arrivals from other states by 362,000 in 1994 alone.

In part because of the boom in population in other Western states, California could lose a congressional seat for the first time in its history.

Why are so many looking for an exit?

Among other things: California's unemployment rate hit 8.4 percent in November, the third-highest in the nation, and it is expected to get worse. A record 236,000 foreclosures are projected for 2008, more than the prior nine years combined, according to research firm MDA DataQuick. Personal income was about flat last year.

With state government facing a $41.6 billion budget hole over 18 months, residents are bracing for higher taxes, cuts in education and postponed tax rebates. A multibillion-dollar plan to remake downtown Los Angeles has stalled, and office vacancy rates there and in San Diego and San Jose surpass the 10.2 percent national average.

Median housing prices have nose-dived one-third from a 2006 peak, but many homes are still out of reach for middle-class families. Some small towns are on the brink of bankruptcy. Normally recession-proof Hollywood has been hit by layoffs.

"You see wages go down and the cost of living go up," Reilly says. His property taxes will be $1,300 in Colorado, down from $4,300 on his three-bedroom house in Nipomo, about 80 miles up the coast from Santa Barbara.

California's obituary has been written before -- "California: The Endangered Dream" was the title of a 1991 Time magazine cover story. The Golden State and its huge economy -- by itself, the eighth-largest in the world -- have shown resilience, weathering the aerospace bust, the dot-com crash and an energy crunch in recent years.

But this time, the news just keeps getting worse.

A state board halted lending for about 2,000 public works projects in California worth more than $16 billion because the state could not afford them. A report by Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., last month said the state lost 100,000 jobs in the last year and the erosion of home prices eliminated over $1 trillion in wealth.

"I don't think the California dream, per se, is over. It has become and will continue to become grittier," says New America Foundation senior fellow Gregory Rodriguez. "Now, perhaps, we have to reassess the California of our imagination."

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is among those who say the state needs to create itself anew, rebuilding roads, schools and transit.

"We've lived off the investments our parents made in the '50s and '60s for a long time," says Tim Hodson, director of the Center for California Studies at California State University, Sacramento. "We're somewhat in the position of a Rust Belt state in the 1970s."

Financial adviser Barry Hartz lived in California for 60 years and once ran for state Assembly before relocating with his wife last year to Colorado Springs, Colo., where his son's family had moved.

"The saddest thing I saw was the escalation of home prices to the point our kids, when they got married, could not live in the community where they lived and grew up," Hartz says. "Some people call that progress."
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 01/13/2009 03:22 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  In part because of the boom in population in other Western states, California could lose a congressional seat for the first time in its history.

Of course they won't, because the politician is mightier than the pen by insisting that phantom and ghost citizens be 'factored' in to the count. It'll take a states convention under the Constitution with the other 2/3rd of smaller states to stop that abuse before anything is seriously done to execute a true census for proportional representation. Interesting how those phantom and ghost citizen aren't able to keep the state treasury filled to the politician expectations./sarcasm off
Posted by: Procopius2k || 01/13/2009 8:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Please leave your politics in California.
Posted by: bman || 01/13/2009 10:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Welcome to Weedpatch Camp, CO.
Posted by: swksvolFF || 01/13/2009 11:12 Comments || Top||

#4  I agree with bman. Learn from the mistakes of unchecked liberalism and leave that decaying ideology at the border. Otherwise, stay in the "paradise" you assholes created.
Posted by: DarthVader || 01/13/2009 11:26 Comments || Top||

#5  stay in the "paradise" you assholes created.

That's a bit harsh, DV, but I admit I used to feel the same way about New Yorkers when they were flooding out here in the 70's. I felt that way about people from Orange County and Los Angeles moving to San Diego but then, my wife is one of them. I still feel that way about the illegal aliens.

Californians are now the New Yorkers of the West. They used to have a bumper sticker in Oregon that said "Don't Californicate Oregon". I doubt if they still have it these days because so many Oregonians are from California.

But I learned that sometimes people move in masses and there isn't much the individual can do about it. The federal government, for instance, is directly responsible for immigration both legal and illegal. Other than vote for my congressman and senators, I have no control over that. Then I find out people who get elected are crooks.

Then there is the Community Reinvestment Act that I only learned about recently with the mortgage meltdown. There was a whole big push from all levels of government for "affordable housing". They kept telling us they needed to build more and more housing so poor people could afford homes but the reality became vast tracts of sticks and stucco that nobody can afford, crowded schools, crowded hospitals, congested freeways, smog and water shortages. I voted against it every time I could but the big money and the big government was against me. I could have run for office but the fix was in and I never would have won. I wouldn't have been a very good candidate anyway.

Most of my life I've spent scratching, clawing and struggling to establish a toehold of my own here but now that I have it I wonder why I didn't see what was becoming of it. Probably because I was too busy scratching, clawing and struggling.

I told you before, this used to be a much more conservative state than it is now. We gave you Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan. Remember? But the New Yorkers and the Mexicans changed all that. You heard it here first. Stop it where you live if you can.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 01/13/2009 12:19 Comments || Top||

#6  Harsh maybe, but more and more here in Colorado these ass-twat liberal Californians move out here, think we are backward ans want to make everything like it was back in California.

Um... didn't you morons leave because you DIDN'T like where you were?

Now granted there are a few that are not all liberal-wishy washy. We have two transplants in our office that are stark libertarians and hate liberals. But for the most part, I don't like 'em, don't want 'em and the majority of them can just right fuck off.
Posted by: DarthVader || 01/13/2009 12:36 Comments || Top||

#7  Please leave your politics in California.

Trouble is, they don't. They move from the nest they fouled into new nests. Once they get settled they have a look around and decide that the new place just isn't like home.

So, they began to crap in the new nest by agitating and then voting for all the Liberal crap that hosed up where they once lived.

I've pretty much concluded that this country is lost without a very drastic overhaul and purge of the Leftist mindset. Of course, I realize that isn't going to happen until it is far too late to be of any meaningful use.

So, I am just trying to hang on long enough until I can retire to India. Already own the property, and the Indian wife is working on the citizenship angle for me. Hate to do it, but unless the To Arms, To Arms call goes out soon, I'm going to be abandoning this place to become the Socialist Paradise that it seems inevitable to become.
Posted by: Spusosh the Prolific6862 || 01/13/2009 12:39 Comments || Top||

#8  This is how the south became red.
Posted by: Jack is Back || 01/13/2009 13:06 Comments || Top||

#9  Jack, I have to respectfully disagree with you. When I lived in Georgia in the sixties besides AZ Barry Goldwater only carried the deep south states of SC, GA, AL, MS and LA. Many voted D because they had never recovered from the Civil War treatment dished out by the Carpetbagger Trunks.

Reagan showed them there was life after the Dem party.

Now the south is not as Red. Some states like North Carolina are turning pink and others like Florida and Virginia are Baby Blue.

The nest foulers are arriving in droves.


Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 01/13/2009 13:34 Comments || Top||

#10  Good luck, DV. I'm afraid you're gonna need it. Last time I drove from Denver to Colorado Springs it reminded me an awful lot of the Interstate 5 corridor through Orange County...that's just north of San Diego and it's not probably not what you want. Like I said, stop it if you can.
Posted by: Ebbang Uluque6305 || 01/13/2009 14:13 Comments || Top||

#11  I think comparing Californians to New Yorkers is a bit harsh....to the New Yorkers.

In AZ, all of the former Noo Yawkers just whined and bitched that there weren't any good Eyetalian joints, that it was too hot, blah blah blah, but they didn't try to futz with the laws and regs like the Californicators did.
Posted by: Cornsilk Blondie || 01/13/2009 14:39 Comments || Top||

#12  Same thing going on in the NE there's just fewer people. NH is befouled by all the MA losers that cross the border.

The problem in all the places are the same. These bozoids don't understand the connection between their politics and the cess pool they create.
Posted by: AlanC || 01/13/2009 14:44 Comments || Top||

#13  I think comparing Californians to New Yorkers is a bit harsh....to the New Yorkers.

Maybe. But scratch a Californian and you're likely to find that he's really a New Yorker. Hardly anyone in California past the age of 30 was actually born here.
Posted by: Abu Uluque || 01/13/2009 18:13 Comments || Top||

#14  I wonder if the exodus is actually white-flight. Many state hispanics are aggressively unilingual. Others agitate for unity with Mexico. Reminder: Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia and Chile all maintain minefields around border areas. Good idea.
Posted by: Harry Shising5856 || 01/13/2009 19:11 Comments || Top||

#15  I live in NC, used to be you could count on NC to go red (well except governor). But now we've got so many damn New Yorkers it's crazy. I work in NASCAR and almost everyone I work with is from up north somewhere. Makes me sad
Posted by: AllahHateME || 01/13/2009 20:37 Comments || Top||

#16  Oh, I ran two thoughts together. I know of 2 people in a building of 400 that voted for the big O. And one of them is a graphic designer, so that's a given. I'd say a large percentage of the NY transplants are liberal leaning, but we do get a fair amount of people from the western part of NY and they tend to be right decent folk. And we have a HUGE illegal alien problem.
Posted by: AllahHateME || 01/13/2009 20:39 Comments || Top||

#17  born and raised - native san diegan - '59
Posted by: Frank G || 01/13/2009 21:18 Comments || Top||

#18  Again, WORLD MIL FORUM {old] > US GDP is approxi US$14.0Trilyuhn, but the US also owes up to US$160.0Trilyuhn in [gross] international debts - EVEN IFF THE USGovt PAID OUT US#700.0BILYUHN A YEAR EVERY YEAR IN BAILOUT, IT WOULD TAKE ROUGHLY 180-200 YEARS FOR THE US TO PAYOFF ITS PRESENT DEBTS vv US GDP.

Thus the supports of several major world States for the USGovt = USTreasury Dept. TO DEV AND BEGIN USING "100-YEAR TREASURY BONDS", as oppos to its normal maxim 30-year plus Bonds???
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 01/13/2009 22:41 Comments || Top||

#19  Joe, at some point that spells WAR (Wipe All (debt) Remittances).
Posted by: Spike Uniter || 01/13/2009 23:10 Comments || Top||

#20  Ima fifth and last generation Californian. Ima jost goin back to visit me Mum and also Frank G. for barbeeque.
Posted by: Alaska Paul in Haines, AK || 01/13/2009 23:26 Comments || Top||

#21  Hardly anyone in California past the age of 30 was actually born here

3rd generation, born in Oakland (it used to be a nice town). My kids were born in San Luis Obispo, but that may be the last of us. The invasion so many whine about has been our lives. Don't like "Cali"? (Shit, I hate that...) Stop moving here.
Posted by: Gabby C. || 01/13/2009 23:46 Comments || Top||

#22  there is a reason we called the people moving into Colorado Californicaters.. they soiled the nest back there till the point it wasn't livable, so they moved to the peoples republic of boulder and tried it again... they wont quit till they F-up the whole place the they move on and do it some more.

only problem they ever see with socialism is that it needs to be tried yet one more time... maybe wit even more government control and nanyism
Posted by: Abu do you love || 01/13/2009 23:48 Comments || Top||



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