(Xinhua) -- A critic of President Hamid Karzai's government and leader of the political group the National Congress Party of Afghanistan Abdul Latif Padram has lashed out at roles of the United States and the United Kingdom in Afghanistan, an independent Afghan daily reported Saturday. Padram, according to Arman-e-Millie newspaper, said that the Washington's and London's wrong policies would further cause chaos in the post-Taliban nation. "The continued illegal stay of foreign forces and the criminal behavior of the U.S. and the UK troops would cause more crises in Afghanistan," Arman-e-Millie quoted the young and the outspoken politician as saying.
Padram opposed the presence of the U.S. and the UK forces unless they get legitimacy and mandate from the UN and Afghan parliament.
Padram opposed the presence of the U.S. and the UK forces unless they get legitimacy and mandate from the UN and Afghan parliament. Previously another opposition leader Abdul Hafiz Mansoor, who contested President Karzai in the October 2004 Presidential Election, had also called for the legalization of foreign forces presence in Afghanistan through Afghan parliament.
If it wasn't for the foreign forces, there'd be no parliament to "legitimize" their presence.
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Abdul Latif Padram
Doesn't sound like a traditional French name, but he's got the act down. Could've recently returned from Paris after losing his automobile. You know that faulty ignition system that resulted in that terrible fire.
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Interesting that if the Pakistani proxies retook Afghanistan, Pedram would be the second to swing on the gallows after Karzai. Perhaps ISAF should lighten their presence around Kabul. PBS Frontline A few months before the elections, Pedram -- a left-leaning intellectual and writer -- returned from five years of exile in France to campaign for president along with 17 other candidates, ranging from warlords and former Mujahidin leaders to medical doctors and professors like himself. Pedram, 42, stood out from the pack because of his strong academic background and secular ideas. During the campaign, he emerged as a controversial figure in the press and political circles for campaigning for women's personal rights, a taboo subject in Afghan culture.
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Pedram, who belongs to the ethnic minority Tajiks, has a mixed political background. During the '80s, he was a Communist party member and newspaper editor, but like many intellectuals, he was jailed for criticizing the regime. When the Taliban took control of Kabul, Pedram fled north to the base of Ahmad Shah Masood, the late anti-Soviet resistance fighter, who controlled parts of northern Afghanistan.
Throughout the 2004 elections, several candidates, expecting to lose, were reportedly cutting backroom deals with Karzai for a share of power in a future cabinet. Pedram said he was not among them. In our interview, he called Karzai an "American puppet" and said he opposed permanent American military bases in Afghanistan. "There are reports about abuse at American detention centers around the country, but Karzai doesn't say anything about them," Pedram said. "An Afghan citizen should stand for the independence and sovereignty of his country, but Karzai's policies have been anti-national."
Pedram advocates an independent, but decentralized Afghanistan. He believes the country should be divided into autonomous regions under the control of regional capitals. Federalism, a recurring subject of debate among Afghanistan scholars and some politicians, is not popular with the country's ethnic majority Pashtun and other Afghans, who view it as a threat to national unity. But Pedram and his party plan to push for federalism -- and women's rights -- if they make it to Parliament.
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National Congress Party of Afghanistan (Hizb-e Kongra-ye Melli-ye Afghanistan)
Party Leader: Abdul Latif Pedram
Description: This liberal, secular party was formed in 2004. Led by a controversial figure and strident critic of Hamid Karzai's government, the National Congress Party could serve as a vocal opposition within the National Assembly. The party is headed by former presidential candidate Pedram, who garnered 1.4 percent of the vote in 2004. The National Congress Party's power base lies primarily among non-Pashtun, leftist intellectuals. Its strength has been limited to the northeast of the country, however. Pedram has been a vocal proponent of federalism and has at times allied himself unofficially with Abdul Rashid Dostum's National Islamic Movement (known as "Junbish," see No. 54). Just one month ahead of the October 2004 presidential vote, the head of the Afghan Supreme Court accused Pedram of making "anti-Islamic" statements regarding women and unsuccessfully requested his removal from the ballot.
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Despite the crimes perpetrated by Saddam Hussein, the Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt said Sunday that the ousted Iraqi leader's actions pale in comparison to those of the current occupiers. The statement came after Hussein was sentenced to death by the tribunal in Baghdad.
"There is no doubt Saddam Hussein was a tyrant and a despot who harmed Iraq and generated the disastrous situation in which his country is now engulfed," The Supreme Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood, Mohamed Mehdi Akef told AFP on Sunday. "But what are all these crimes that Saddam committed during his lifetime if you compare them to the crimes of the occupiers and those who help them?" he added.
Akef argued that the trial would do little to deter other dictators across the Arab world. "Our dictators simply don't learn any lessons. They do not fear God and they will therefore not be intimidated by a verdict," the Brotherhood leader added.
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This story makes the same point the Anglican Bishop was making in the previous article set forth below: If muslims are under attack by say, "others" in the balkans, then by all means intervene. But if muslims are oppressing and attacking muslims and "others", then don't you dare intervene because such intervention is presumed to be worse than muslim on muslim killing or muslim on "other" killing.
Same holds true for Darfur, Soma
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That last sentence above should read:
Same holds true for Darfur, Somalia, East Timor, and Thailand just to name a few examples.
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He may be a (murdering, raping, people shredding) son of a bitch, but he's OUR son of a bitch.
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Actually, judging from the democratic improvements that have been happening in the ME, while their dictators may not learn, they are not entirely dense, either.
Australian consular officials expect to make their first contact with three Australians terror suspects detained in Yemen later today or tonight. The three, brothers Mohammed and Abdullah Ayub and another man, Marat Sumolsky, 35, are among a group of eight foreigners with alleged links to al-Qaeda who are facing terrorism charges in Yemen over an alleged plot to smuggle arms to Somalia. The men were arrested more than two weeks ago but the scheduled visit will be the first by Australian officials. Attempts to see the men earlier have been hampered by the Eid religious festival.
A spokesman for the Department of Foreign Affairs and trade in Canberra said Yemeni authorities had assured the Australian official they could see the men on November 4 after the Yemeni weekend. "What we are hoping to do is supply normal consular assistance which is monitoring their welfare and assisting them to access proper judicial processes," he said.
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A senior Anglican bishop has accused many Muslims of being guilty of double standards in their view of the world. The Bishop of Rochester, Michael Nazir-Ali, told the Sunday Times some had a "dual psychology" in which they sought "victimhood and domination".
The Muslim Council of Britain said the comments were "not very helpful".
The bishop, whose father converted from Islam, also said situations such as teaching could require Muslim women not to wear full-face veils. Mr Nazir-Ali argued it would never be possible to satisfy all of the demands made by Muslims because "their complaint often boils down to the position that it is always right to intervene when Muslims are victims... and always wrong when Muslims are the oppressors or terrorists".
He compared Bosnia and Kosovo, where he said Muslims were oppressed, with the powerful position of the Taleban in Afghanistan, who he said had been the oppressors. He added: "Given the world view that has given rise to such grievances, there can never be sufficient appeasement and new demands will continue to be made."
Muhammad Abdul Bari, secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, told the Sunday Times such remarks could affect "community relationships".
The bishop's comments on the use of full-face veils by Muslim women add to the debate sparked by Commons Leader Jack Straw, the former foreign secretary, last month. He disclosed that he asks Muslim women to remove the veil when they attend his Blackburn constituency surgeries. Mr Straw also suggested that Muslim women who wear veils over their faces can make community relations harder.
In the Sunday Times, Mr Nazir-Ali referred to a "huge increase" in the wearing of Muslim dress in Egypt, Pakistan and Malaysia. He said: "I can see nothing in Islam that prescribes the wearing of the full-face veil.
"In the supermarket those at the cash till need to be recognised. Teaching is another profession in which society requires recognition and identification."
Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, entered the veil debate last month by saying people should be free to wear visible religious symbols. He said aiming for a society where no symbols such as veils, crosses, sidelocks or turbans would be seen was "politically dangerous".
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"their complaint often boils down to the position that it is always right to intervene when Muslims are victims... and always wrong when Muslims are the oppressors or terrorists".
Well - yes. That's pretty much it. And he has a problem with it? He's a racist - I smell a fatwah in his future.
Those Evil evangelicals!!!!
A welsh mp has been forced to withdraw his public backing for a charity after learning its leading light has described Islam as 'wicked and evil'. Mark Williams, Lib Dem MP for Ceredigion, last week signed up to an Early Day Motion - a Parliamentary petition - praising Operation Christmas Child, a group that sends presents to deprived children abroad.
But he has asked for his name to be removed after learning from Wales on Sunday that the charity, set up in Wrexham 16 years ago, was an evangelical group which sends vast amounts of religious literature with the toys. The group is led by controversial US fundamentalist Franklin Graham - son of evangelist preacher Billy.
Quelle horror!
Franklin Graham, a close friend of US President George Bush, ... which is a damning thing in itself. Cut all ties with that org, by Gum!
... has described Islam as 'wicked, evil and not of the same God'. He has also written about India, saying: 'Hundreds of millions of people locked by the darkness of Hinduism... bound by Satan's power.' Not very oecumenical, here, but then again Christians do suffer quite a bit of persecution by hardline hinduists, even though India is a real democracy.
A spokesman for MP Mr Williams said this week: 'He will be withdrawing his name. He wasn't aware of the allegations and the practices of the group.' Christians?! Ewwwwww. Icky!
The Islamic Human Rights Commission ... Nice oxymoron.
... has campaigned against the group. As expected.
Massoud Shadjareh, the commission's chairman, said: 'Operation Christmas Child has got very many evangelical connections. We really don't have any problem with other religious groups doing good work. In fact, we should be encouraging it. But they have to be transparent about their motives.' Just like muslim charities.
The Widows Ammunition Fund is nothing but transparent.
Operation Christmas Child spokesman Alistair McClean insisted: 'This is about helping children in need. The organisation is a Christian organisation, it makes that plain and that's where people get their motivation from.
'Mr Graham did make those comments, but the context and the circumstances have to be looked at. He said that in the immediate aftermath of the attacks on the World Trade Centre on 9/11. He was quoted as saying that, but he also said he decried the evil done in the name of Islam.'
THE Church of Englands only Asian bishop, whose father converted from Islam, has criticised many Muslims for their dual psychology, in which they desire both victimhood and domination. In the most outspoken critique of Muslims by a church leader, Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester, said that because of this view it would never be possible to satisfy all their demands. Their complaint often boils down to the position that it is always right to intervene when Muslims are victims, as in Bosnia or Kosovo, and always wrong when the Muslims are the oppressors or terrorists, as with the Taliban or in Iraq, said Nazir-Ali. Given the world view that has given rise to such grievances, there can never be sufficient appeasement and new demands will continue to be made.
The failure to counter such beliefs meant that radical Islam had flourished in Britain, spread by extremist imams indoctrinating children for up to four hours a day, he said. Nazir-Ali added that rigorous checks, from which the government had retreated in face of Muslims protests, should be imposed to ensure that arriving clerics were committed to the British way of life. Characteristic British values have developed from the Christian faith and its vision of personal and common good, said the bishop in an interview with The Sunday Times. After they were clarified by the enlightenment they became the bedrock of our modern political life. These values need to be recovered to help us to inculcate the virtues of generosity, loyalty, moderation and love.
Nazir-Ali, who was born in Pakistan and whose father converted from Islam to Catholicism, said radical Islam was being taught in mosque schools across Britain. While radical teaching may not be happening everywhere, its presence is felt across the country. It affects all Muslims, he said. The two main causes of the present situation [rising extremism] are fundamentalist imams and material on the internet.
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He better be careful - the Archdruid of Canterbury will have him tossed from the Anglican Church.
THE Church of Englands only Asian bishop, whose father converted from Islam, has criticised many Muslims for their dual psychology, in which they desire both victimhood and domination. In the most outspoken critique of Muslims by a church leader, Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester, said that because of this view it would never be possible to satisfy all their demands. Their complaint often boils down to the position that it is always right to intervene when Muslims are victims, as in Bosnia or Kosovo, and always wrong when the Muslims are the oppressors or terrorists, as with the Taliban or in Iraq, said Nazir-Ali. Given the world view that has given rise to such grievances, there can never be sufficient appeasement and new demands will continue to be made.
This needs to be trumpeted from every doorway throughout Britain. Nazir-Ali has nailed the duplictous and hypocritical nature of Islam absolutely SPOT ON!
1.) The "dual psychology" of victimhood and domination.
2.) Their insatiable demands for preferential treatment.
3.) The mandate to assist Muslim victims while demanding we ignore Muslim tyranny.
4.) The absolute inadequacy of any and all appeasment.
This is the formula of Islamic domination writ large. Use these terms in your arguments when this topic is discussed. These are the tools by which to identify the perfidy of Islam. Ignore them and they will be used against you with increasing brazeness.
So long as individuals like Nazir-Ali can articulate the threat so lucidly, there will still be some hope for Britain. Should he be silenced by church or governmental authorities, we shall know that the surrender is complete.
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Here is a contact link to the Right Reverend Nazir-Ali's organization 101pakistantis.com. Scroll down to the contact form. I urge all Rantburgers to send this man messages of support so that he might have some help through the storm of controversy which is such to follow such an unvarnished assessment of British Muslims.
Here is the text of my own message: (800 characters max including spaces)
Dear Right Reverend Nazir-Ali (Re: Sunday Times 4/XI/06) - On behalf of Americans who are deeply concerned about Islams incursion upon British culture, allow me to applaud your superb summary of Muslim hypocrisy. I commend you for having done Britain a huge favor in stating the unvarnished truth. - Islams present course only increases the danger for all Muslims worldwide. If its predation upon the West goes unabated without genuine doctrinal reform, there will likely be a nuclear Muslim holocaust. Islams refusal to renounce terrorism, halt abject gender apartheid, end pursuit of global sharia law and give up imposition of dhimmitude makes it utterly incompatible with all free cultures. - In closing, your courage and integrity are much appreciated. Warmest Regards, Signature
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Thanks Zen, I just wrote to him.
Money quote: Their complaint often boils down to the position that it is always right to intervene when Muslims are victims, as in Bosnia or Kosovo, and always wrong when the Muslims are the oppressors or terrorists, as with the Taliban or in Iraq, said Nazir-Ali.
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Not exactly right: they have no complaints when the victims are Muslim so long as the perpretrators are Muslim as well, When Arabic-speaking Muslims slaughter and rape non-Arabic speaking Muslims (especially if those non-Arabs have black skin), well, that's just fine. Witness Darfur.
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THE Church of Englands only Asian bishop, whose father converted from Islam, has criticised many Muslims for their dual psychology, in which they desire both victimhood and domination.
The same psychology applies to liberals and progressives.
I have to applaud you and open British eyes that these muslims whether Radical or Moderate seek Global domination.
I dont know how they are to achieve this only through their bigger birthrate but their weakness is their economic lookout.Most muslims claim benefits whilst slagging of the country.Cut the welfare state and these people would look for another country.They want the best of both worlds a free house,car etc but to also dictate their laws etc.They are the only religion i know who openly spout hated of other religions.As a Christian i never was taught to hate other religions.Can you say the same in Pakistan Saudi or Iran????
Please open the British eyes to the danger within where they secretly go about their plans of controlling inner city ares where they look to have sharia
A leading church group which represents more than a million Christians has raised the prospect of civil unrest and even "violent revolution" to protect religious freedoms.
In a startling warning to the Government, senior church and political figures have backed a report advocating force to protest against policies that are "unbiblical" and "inimical to the Christian faith".
The menacing language of the report, which Lord Mawhinney, the Tory peer, Andy Reed, the Labour MP, and the Rt Rev Peter Forster, the Bishop of Chester, helped to produce, echoes comments made by Muslim fanatics.
Only days ago, Islamic activist Anjem Choudary said Muslims had become radicalised because they were "a community under siege".
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Anjem Choudary, who helped organise the anti-Danish cartoon protests, last week said that the London bombings should not have come as a surprise. "How else do you expect Muslims to express themselves?" he said. "We are a community under siege. It's going to blow up one day in everyone's faces."
Why is this asshole still consuming someone else's precious oxygen? The Christians may need to consider beginning their campaign of violence by offing local Muslim jihadists. It's a tossup as to whether they or the British Government are the biggest threat to Christian Britons.
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How will you respond, with sharpened tea sponns ?
Truly, SpecOp35, in certain situations a sharpened teaspoon will suffice. ;-) Besides, you really, really don't want me to use some of your toys -- much more dangerous for our side, I assure you.
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Not many Christians with religious values left in Europe to protect. Mostly secular dhimmis who will just pay the Muslim 'protection' tax - what's the term? - so they can live out their lives. Not only do they not have the means to use force to protect their values, they lack values to protect and the will to do so.
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Not many Christians with religious values left in Europe to protect.
Actually, there is a quiet revival of Christianity going on in some places in Europe. Not surprisingly, it is being led by African and Asian converts who are re-evangelizing and revitalizing faith. The numbers are small, but are growing -- and the Left hates them with a passion.
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SpecOp -
Don't ever forget that after the Nazis were defeated and we found their plans for an Occupied Great Britain, we found they were prepared to unleash horrors worse than anything on the Eastern Front - because they knew the British would never give in. The UK's political ruling classes are about to find out that the spirit of of the Battle of Britain never died...it but slept.
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Eurppeans with balls and brains left long ago for America and the will to fight died a couple of world wars ago. Save for a handful of soccer hooligans no one's gonna fight back. It's over, turn off the lights and welcome Allah's new Dark Ages.
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Actually, there is a quiet revival of Christianity going on in some places in Europe. Not surprisingly, it is being led by African and Asian converts who are re-evangelizing and revitalizing faith. The numbers are small, but are growing -- and the Left hates them with a passion.
Ayep. A few years ago, the French were so upset by the idea they passed a law supposedly targeting "cults". While Scientology was named as one of the "cults", so were the Southern Baptists.
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They are already at war and don't know it. For that matter so are we. The reason liberals don't get it is because they hate Christianity more than they fear pIslam. Dhimmis surrendering in mass.
Money quote of the day. Given the world view that has given rise to such grievances, there can never be sufficient appeasement of Muslims and new demands will continue to be made
said Nazir-Ali.
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I'm pleasantly surprised this statement was made by native Britons. It's 30 years late in getting off the PC bandwagon and defending western civ. Let's hope this group keeps pounding the message home and this is the start of a snowball effect. Too bad this evangelical group is outnumbered by the muslims 1.2M - 1.8M.
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You Americans make me laugh with your outdated comments ie
Civil unrest will be required. Are you fully armed ? I didn't think so. How will you respond, with sharpened tea sponns ?
There is plenty of bulldog spirit left in this country it is only suppressed by a PC Government and police force.Dont forget pakis only make up 5% of population!!!!!!
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If Muslims drank in pubs they would be beaten up every night.If you tour any UK city at the weekends you will see alot more violence than i ever seen in USA ie Washington,Florida and Boston that i have visited!We party/drink more every weekend than you guys do all year bar Superbowl night!!!!!!
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I suspect the Brits will find quite a few waepons and other methods for the upcoming festivities. As long as fuel isn't rationed or purchses monitored, and with the 'Brutal English Winter' coming on, there may be an unexplained rash of house fires. Just sayin, is all.....
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"If they have the will they will find the way. If they are truly serious they can find the firearms or someone will help arm them."
Unless the Muslims suddenly acquire themselves a kriegsmarine, we oughtta easily be able to ship the Brits all the guns they need once they find the will to use them. We did it before, we can do it again.
"Are you fully armed ? I didn't think so. How will you respond, with sharpened tea sponns ?"
Let's see... I could respond with any one of my four rifles, and/or any one of my four handguns; and a small fraction of the 9,700+ rounds of ammunition I have on hand should suffice.
Good enough?
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Never forget that it is now easier to buy a handgun on the streets of London that it has been in 100 years - the dope gangs are bringing in guns along with dope. Also, the British Mafia has certain rules and does not tend to use firearms where the British Police are concerned. However, the same does not hold true for intermural rivalries in the underworld. And the one faction of the IRA may just step into this on the side of the Christians, although most of the IRA will side with the Muslims since that is who gave the IRA training camps in the 70s and 80s.
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So, it has come to this. Just a few years ago, it would have been inconceivable that a mainstream Christian group would even hint at a resort to violence. As I have said before, though, the Crusader's mailed fist can still emerge from the velvet glove of multiculturalism. The Islamo-fascists and their allies cannot even imagine the consequences if they drive events to such an outcome.
Incidentally, there are plenty of people in the UK who can make weapons and ammunition from scratch if they are so minded. It is unwise for anyone, especially including Muslims and their sycophants, to dismiss this possibility just because it hasn't happened.
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Anything resembling a Christian revolution in the UK would require the removal, one way or another, of that Arabist fruitcake, Charley of the Big Ears (or is that "Charley of the Guilty Manroot?").
I don't believe in psychic power but I remember some kind of shaman/prophet predicting many years ago that Charley might well repeat the fate of his namesake predecessor, Charles II.
Odd, isn't it?
Perhaps he can be exiled to Somalia or somewhere similar.
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Anything resembling a Christian revolution in the UK would require the removal, one way or another, of that Arabist fruitcake, Charley of the Big Ears
And lots of other Oxbridge Arabists who inhabit the British establishment at places like the BBC. Some think that a feature not a bug.
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The Islamo-fascists and their allies cannot even imagine the consequences if they drive events to such an outcome.
It's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of when. The only thing that can avert this trainwreck is a top-to-bottom revision of Islam, and we all know how likely that is.
Unreformed Islam will "drive events to such an outcome". It is only a matter of when it happens. The sooner our Muslim foes are read the riot act (i.e., nuclear retaliation for future atrocities), the sooner we can get about jailing or deporting jihadists. I have zero doubt that the MME (Muslim Middle East) will be consumed in a nuclear inferno. The notion does not give me any joy save in the fact that future generations will be safe from the ravages of Islam. Cold comfort, but comfort nonetheless.
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There are still plenty of yew trees in the UK, and I'm sure the British use of the longbow could be quietly revived (maybe in "re-enactment groups". Nice thing about a longbow - it's deadly quiet if you add a little something to the strings near the ends. The same is true of crossbows. You don't necessarily have to use modern weapons to achieve the desired results. A big stone is still a deadly weapon in the right hands. Train to be a warrior, and the weapons will be there.
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Atomic, do you mean Charles I?
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Actually I do, James.
Charles II presided over the Restoration and lived out his reign without losing his head. Thanks for the correction.
Sorry I tweaked you a bit. I'm sure you and your buddies could hold your own in a street brawl, especially when well tanked. Yes, we've heard of your alcoholic prowess. But I think you gave yourself away with the comment that being armed was "outdated". Really ? Do you think Muzzies will join you in a fair fight ? Never. They will sneak up on you when you're sleeping and slit your throat. It won't be one. They will come in packs.(Paks in packs) At that point, a nice weapon becomes handy. A shotgun for instance. Can you still own shotguns for sport hunting ? Also, at the rate you Brits are letting them acquire mosques, they probably have plenty of arms smuggled in. This is standard tactics for them. If they came at you with an AK-47 I doubt you'd still be spoiling for a street fight. So, if some among you are becoming aware that violence inside your cities is becoming very likely, do not belittle them. They are thinking, not just drinking. It's quite true that some of us here in US are "cowboys", but we do still retain the ability to defend our neighborhoods in force. We learned long ago that depending on civil authorities for protection is laughable. So we're still rude and crude, but we'll be here when the smoke clears.
Russia views the verdict to Saddam Hussein as Iraqs internal affair and calls on external forces to stay out of the course of trial, the Foreign Ministry official spokesman said as the world split after Husseins death verdict was announced Sunday.
"A trial over a states citizen is the states internal affair, whatever post the cirtizen might have occupied before, and should be conducted and finished without external advice," Mikhail Kamynin was quoted by Gazeta.ru as saying.
"We think that any decision, especially in such a complicated issue as a trial over the former Iraqi leader, should be made regardles of politics, on a purely legal basis," he added.
"Considering the difficult situation in Iraq, it is vital to avoid anything that could further split the Iraqi society," Kamynin said...
THE Pentagon is speeding up plans for possible military strikes on North Koreas nuclear programme as concern mounts that Arab states are also looking to acquire nuclear technology.
US defence officials said detailed planning was under way for precision strikes on nuclear facilities such as the North Korean plutonium reprocessing plant at Yongbyon. The plant is thought to have supplied the plutonium fuel used in an underground nuclear test carried out by Kim Jong-ils pariah regime on October 9.
A Pentagon official said various military options for halting North Koreas nuclear programme were under consideration. Other than nuclear strikes, which are considered excessive, there are several options now in place. Planning has been accelerated, the official told The Washington Times.
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Always keep in mind, that iff and when any shooting war begins o'er IRAN andor NORTH KOREA/NK-TAIWAN, etal. neither side can stop nor will stop until the opposing side is completely defeated iff not destroyed. ARMISTICE is just a SUCKER'S GAME. The lesson of 9-11 is that America adopts OWG + Socialism, or it will be destroyed. COROLLARY > Amer formally rules the world or it will be destroyed. DO NOT START SOMETHING UNLESS YOU ARE WILLING TO PLAY FOR KEEPS, TO GO FOR BROKE, TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END HOWEVER GOOD OR BAD IT IS. Americans have to realize Amer's enemies are playing for keeps. for forever.
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DO NOT START SOMETHING UNLESS YOU ARE WILLING TO PLAY FOR KEEPS, TO GO FOR BROKE, TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END HOWEVER GOOD OR BAD IT IS. Americans have to realize Amer's enemies are playing for keeps. for forever.
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The lesson of 9-11 is that America adopts OWG + Socialism, or it will be destroyed.
Oh, I do not agree!
The less of 911 is that America must confront and be willing to destroy its' enemies or face its' own destruction. One World Government, Pax Americanum, Imperiales Americanum, and most especially socialist America or fascist America need not, I say must not, be in the cards.
Hold fast to our country's ideals and do not give in to socialist or fascist ideals - that why lies only tragedy and destruction of everything we hold dear.
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I think esteemed Joe M is making the point of the opposing totalitarian front, the chicom/ruskies-various flavors of islamomillenarists-tranzis/gramscists, not stating his own personal view.
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When the next major shooting war begins, there needs to be a group willing and able to take out the left completely in the United States. That is the only way we'll be "allowed" to win any future war. We see it already in Iraq. Frankly, I'll gladly join such a group as long as I get to pick my target - and my methods.
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South Korea's Foreign Minister Ban Ki-moon was set to arrive in Japan on Sunday for talks with Japanese leaders on North Korea and other issues. Ban, the next UN secretary-general, was scheduled to meet his Japanese counterpart Taro Aso on Sunday evening, Japan's Foreign Ministry said. The two are expected to talk about coordinating U.N. Security Council sanctions imposed on North Korea after its nuclear test, and to discuss resuming stalled international talks on the North's nuclear ambitions. Ban was also expected to meet Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on Monday.
Pyongyang lashed out at Japan on Saturday, demanding that Tokyo stay away from the negotiations and calling Japanese officials "political imbeciles" for saying they will not accept a nuclear North Korea.
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North Korea said on Saturday that Japan should not bother to attend six-country talks on ending its nuclear weapons programme because it was just a territory of the United States. Pyongyang agreed on Tuesday to return to the talks involving the two Koreas, Japan, China, Russia and the United States after staying away for a year in protest over a US crackdown on its international finances. Talks are expected to resume in the next month.
It would be much better for Japan to refrain from participating in the six-party talks and less attendants would be not bad for making the talks fruitful, a North Korean foreign ministry spokesman was quoted as saying by KCNA news agency. It is the view of the DPRK that since the US attends the six-party talks, there is no need for Japan to participate in them as a local delegate because it is no more than a state of the US and it is enough for Tokyo just to be informed of the results of the talks by Washington.
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Totally wrong again NKors. The Rising Sun should be the very ones you bow down to and do everything in your power to convince them you will be meek and respectful in the future. They are the ones who will clean your clock, not Uncle Sammy.
Former U.S. Defense Secretary William Perry warned Saturday that the United States might be forced to take military action against North Korea if China and South Korea do not agree to apply "coercive action" in urging North Korea to scrap its nuclear ambitions.
At an emergency international symposium, titled "North Korean Nuclear Test and Security in East Asia," hosted by The Yomiuri Shimbun with moderator Hajime Izumi, a professor at the University of Shizuoka, Perry and three other panelists from Japan, China and South Korea expressed pessimistic views on the outcome of six-party talks on North Korea's nuclear programs, which are expected to resume later this year.
Perry said if China and South Korea "did not the provide the coercion" by threatening to cut off their supply of food and oil to North Korea in the event it completed a large nuclear reactor, the United States "might take the only meaningful coercive action available to it--destroying the reactor before it could come on line."
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There are reasons why the Failed-Angry Left wants the USA under OWG + anti-Amer Socialism btwn Year 2015 NLT 2020, not the least of which is that the "carrot-and-stick approach" is symbolic of the "status quo" that is no longer acceptable. As said times before, IT NO LONGER MATTERS TO THE LEFT HOW MANY CONCESSIONS THE USA-WEST MAKES IN THE NAME OF MUTUAL OR GLOBAL PEACE-STABILITY. IFF AMER DOES NOT ATTACK, AMERICA WILL BE ATTACKED. The Lefties = Commies know TIME + ECONOMICS IS NOT ON THEIR SIDE even when to their sole advantage.
Thousands of secular, nationalist Turks marched in the capital Saturday, vowing to defend the secular regime against Islamization and urging the government not to make too many concessions in order to gain European Union membership. Some 12,000 people waved Turkish flags as they marched to the mausoleum of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founder of modern Turkey, in a show of loyalty to secularism. "Turkey is secular and it will remain secular," marchers chanted.
Turkey's staunchly secular President Ahmet Necdet Sezer will retire in May, and the parliament will choose the new president. Although largely ceremonial, the presidency has become a symbol for secularism under Sezer.
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Obviously some sort of ploy....or...too little, too late.
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I'm glad to see it -- hopefully there will be lots more of the same ongoing, until the secularists regain control of their country. The current trend under the Islamists is not a good thing.
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Obviously some sort of ploy....or...too little, too late.
Contrarian, these are secular Turks who oppose an Islamic state. That said, all this indicates is that their collective survival reflexes are still operational. What really needs to be seen is 12,000 moderate Muslims on a march against radical Islam. From all indications, they sleep with the crickets.
On Saturday, Nov. 4, the Army Times released an editorial titled, "Time for Rumsfeld to go." It is important to first note that the "military papers" that have run this editorial are not owned, managed, or controlled by the U.S. military. They are privately held newspapers forming part of the Arlington, Va.-based Gannett publishing chain.
The editorial included a number of inaccurate and misleading statements.
HERE ARE THE FACTS: Rest at link
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I kinda almost feel sorry for the people who work for military times. I don't know if they were forced to run the editorial or if they support it. From past editions, I suspect they support it. But they cashed in all of their chips on this - hoping this would be a huge October surprise, but it seems to have gone over like a lead balloon.
So now they got their little blip on the radar screen - CNN and the Democrats will do their best to eek mileage out of. I'm sure that it will pick them up a few votes and who knows, maybe it will be bring in that one vote that tips the election. But at this point in time, it seems that once everyone understood it was just an editorial from Gannet - it caused a big yawn.
But at this point in time, it seems that the overall impact of their selling out the troops for a cheap political advantage had the same impact as water on a ducks back.
So after Tuesday - then what? No self-respecting officer or enlisted will ever look at their magazine the same again. It's just another political hack piece. Commands will allow subscriptions to lapse (waste of taxpayers dollars) and many individuals will tire of paying $52 for what they can get for free from military.com. And now when Military Times reporters request interviews or access they will be turned down. For the impact that their big expose had - the biggest impact will be on the future of their own jobs.
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The response is on the DoD website... an official statement of the Dept. of Defence. The Army Times now finds that it has thrown the pin instead of the grenade, if I may use so military a metaphor.
Hattip Drudge Report
(11-05) 04:00 PST Glenside, Pa. -- House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi warned that a Republican victory Tuesday would prolong the U.S. involvement in Iraq another 10 years, as she embarked on a final push in a campaign that could make her speaker.
In an interview from her Capitol office, Pelosi characterized Tuesday's vote as a referendum on the war, shrugged off President Bush's efforts to make her liberalism a national issue, described the current GOP leadership as a "freak show," and expressed confidence about her party's prospects to pick up the 15 seats it needs for a majority. "I know where the numbers are in these races, and I know that they are there for the 15; today (it's) 22 to 26," Pelosi said Friday.
Pelosi cautioned that the number of Democratic House victories could be higher or lower and said her greatest concern is over the integrity of the count -- from the reliability of electronic voting machines to her worries that Republicans will try to manipulate the outcome. "That is the only variable in this," Pelosi said. "Will we have an honest count?'' Well, there it is - I hear the lawyers are already lined up on all sides for the inevitable court challenges.
In a final effort to motivate loyalists, Pelosi raced through three districts in the Philadelphia suburbs Saturday, where polls show Democratic challengers running even, if not slightly ahead. "When you're thinking about how many calls to make, how many precincts to walk, how many friends to reach out to, just think of the difference that a new direction will make,'' Pelosi told nearly 1,000 enthusiastic Democrats at a rally here for Patrick Murphy, who is running even in his contest against Rep. Mike Fitzpatrick.
The importance of the Philadelphia suburbs to the Democrats' chances was reinforced by the presence of Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, former Vice President Al Gore and Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell at the Saturday rallies.
Pelosi plans to stump today for Democratic candidates in Connecticut before returning to Washington to await election returns.
Sporting a red, white and blue scarf embroidered with Democratic asses donkeys, Pelosi focused her public comments on the Democrats' domestic plans, should they win, for the first 100 legislative hours (raise the minimum wage, cut interest rates on student loans, roll back subsidies to oil companies, boost stem cell research, strengthen homeland security).
Yet during the interview, she asserted that discontent over the war is the No. 1 issue driving the election. "This election is about Iraq,'' said Pelosi, a consistent war opponent who has said her failure to prevent the United States from going to war in 2003 is her greatest disappointment in public life.
"If indeed it turns out the way that people expect it to turn out, the American people will have spoken, and they will have rejected the course of action the president is on."
If they win, Democrats will immediately reach out to Bush to find a bipartisan way to begin redeploying troops "outside of Iraq," Pelosi said. They will also apply pressure to disarm the militias, amend the Iraqi constitution and engage in diplomacy in the region. Redeployment=cut & run, of course
They haven't bothered yet to tell us what their plan is. I guess we're supposed to trust them.
"A Democratic victory would be in furtherance of reaching that goal. Absent a Democratic victory, we'll be there for the next 10 years,'' Pelosi said.
Acknowledging that Bush has previously rejected suggestions for scaling back U.S. involvement, Pelosi said a victory Tuesday would give "Democrats in Congress a great deal more leverage in the conversation with the president." And we can impeach him too!
Pelosi downplayed expectations that a report by former Republican Secretary of State James Baker and former Democratic Rep. Lee Hamilton -- expected to be made public shortly after the election -- will call for a significant change of course and provide Bush an opportunity to change directions. "It's hard to imagine any group headed by Secretary Baker, whom I respect personally but who is so close to the Bush administration, will come up with any proposal that is any different than what the president is proposing," Pelosi said. ie There's not a Republican on the planet that we would trust to have a good idea.
Bush has also been portraying the stakes in Iraq in increasingly stark terms as the election approaches, asserting that a Democratic victory would amount to "cutting and running," and that leaving Iraq would provide the terrorists a foothold from which they would pose a threat to the United States for another generation. He has also increasingly used Pelosi as a foil, mocking her comment that Democrats "love tax cuts" and telling crowds that she must be a secret admirer.
Asked whether she takes offense at Bush's characterization of her, Pelosi grimaced. "No. No. He knows I don't mind. Why would I mind if the president of the United States, whom I have called incompetent, would try to undermine me?
"It just goes to show you, though, how bankrupt the Republicans are of ideas," Pelosi said. "This election is about the president of the United States; it's not about me. But it's interesting they've made the president of the United States the political hit man, and now he's making personal attacks, not only on me, but on the city I proudly represent." I wasn't aware the President was up for election this year, Nancy? I also thought you and every other dhimmi around was saying that this election was about Iraq? So, which is it?
She said the attacks have not been effective because half the country has never heard of her, but added: "I think they'll know who the speaker of the House is if we win." Be afraid. Be very afraid.
The refrain of "San Francisco values" ... Be even more afraid.
... has been used in campaigns across the country to tie more conservative Democrats to the liberal politics of Pelosi and the city, in what many view as a not-so-subtle reference to the city's embrace of diversity.
Pelosi said she welcomed the attention. "Any focus on San Francisco is wonderful for us. San Francisco is a city which insures all of our children ... it is a city that has been a hotbed of activity, whether it's entrepreneurial spirit and the technological world, whether it's protecting the environment, (or) protecting individual rights. It is the city of St. Francis. ... So I hope they will pay attention to San Francisco." A hot bed of activity is right - a hotbed of treason, corruption, crime, election fraud, open sedition, illegal immigration, and too many other things that shouldn't be talked about in a family forum.
Pelosi called the attacks a reflection of GOP desperation as election day approaches.
She said her pledge to restore civility to the House, open up the rules for debate, and permit the minority party to participate will be a radical departure from the status quo. "We're going to take back the country for the American people -- Democrats and Republicans alike -- because it has been held hostage by the radical right wing of the Republican Party," Pelosi said. Uh, Nancy, old girl - most of the country is in pretty good shape right now. We don't want you to take it back for us. Some of us don;t think we're being held hostage - and would not stand to be held hostage - by what you dhimmies call the "radical right wing of the Republican Party.
"This is a freak show, and it has to come to an end," Pelosi said. "This is about a Congress and White House whose purpose is to concentrate wealth into the top 1 percent of our country at the expense of the middle class." From my point of view the freaks are mostly on the other side - same side as you, Nance. Why, there's J F'n Kerry, Joe Biden, Chuckie Schumer, Sandy Burglar, B J Clinton, Jimmah Carter, Nancy Pelo...uh, well, you get the picture, I'm sure.
If Democrats win, and Speaker Dennis Hastert is forced to hand the gavel to Pelosi, "I'll receive it, in my view, from the hands of special interests on behalf of America's future."
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Last time, Grandma San Fran Nan said she'd receive the gavel for the children. Barnum and Bailey could sell tickets to her unreal demogog freakshow...good grief.
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I wasn't aware the President was up for election this year, Nancy?
Neither is John Kerry, but I got anti-Kerry campaign literature yesterday. (Seems the Democrat candidate for Texas Gov is a known Kerry-cuddler! Aieee!)
...on the city I proudly represent.
Hey! How did San Francisco get a whole Senator? That's not fair!
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"San Francisco is a city which insures all of our children ... "
Uh, Nan..............
Yours is the most childless city in North America.
No matter how your comment is interpreted, it just doesn't work.
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I'm feeling really up right now. Pew and other polls are showing that the gap is closing. I predicted awhile ago that we will know that the polls were lying if they (again) shift in momentum towards the republicans in the last few days.
The pollsters don't want to look too foolish after the races are done, so they hype, hype, hype while everyone is deciding and then to prevent humiliation, the pollsters close the gap in the last few days before the election.
I still think it's too soon to dance in the streets - like the people of baghdad were feeling yesterday before the verdict I know it could be a bad result, but I'm feeling hopeful :-)
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Your business practice, crypto facism, and lack of a plan is a "freak show" Senator. I hold very little if any respect for democrats. As I see it, you are so desperate for power you would throw your Grandmother under a bus for a vote - lest the entire country of America.
The Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal warned it would wage a jihad against the United States and the West if their killings of innocent Muslims across the globe did not stop even as thousands rallied against the Bajur killings here on Friday. Accoding to The News, activists of the Jamaat-e-Islami (JI), the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) and other religious and political parties, chanting slogans saying `Down with America', `Down with Musharraf and Sabilona Aljihad', converged on the Chowk Shaheedan in historical Qissa Khwani in response to a call given by the MMA for country-wide demonstrations in protest against the killings in an attack on a Bajur seminary. Besides the MMA, three other major processions were also taken out in the city.
Strict security arrangements were made for this day and heavy contingents of police were deployed on routes of the procession. Both the United States and the Musharraf government are responsible for what happened in Bajur, demonstrators shouted. Even if the operation was carried out by local forces, the orders came from the US, MMA Secretary-General Maulana Fazlur Rehman said in his address to the rally while referring to the airstrike in Chenagai village. This, he added, is why both are culprits in the case.
He was critical of the seminary bombing as it took place against the backdrop of an ongoing peace process in the agency. A Waziristan-like peace agreement was being negotiated in Bajur and locals wanted to resolve the issue through a jirga, but they were bombed, he said. "It speaks volumes of who is responsible for war in the world," the Maulana lamented.
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Wasn't 911 Jihad against the US?
If so, than what is he refraining from doing.
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"It speaks volumes of who is responsible for war in the world," the Maulana lamented.
You're responsible, islamofacist twat. Innocent muslims are being slaughtered by mulims. We're slaughtering the islamonauts. Go waggle you ass in the direction of Darfur.
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Jihad is already being waged against the United States. It has been for decades. People have only lately awoken to that fact and we'll need to see if sufficient momentum can be generated to drive a counterattack against all terrorism sponsoring countries. It will not be pretty. Afghanistan and Iraq were noble experiments that we could never afford to repeat elsewhere. Dismantling Islamic terrorism will require a brutal effort of will with no quarter taken. The sooner it begins, the less life lost there will be in the West.
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Where's a nice, easily-flyable aircraft and a dozen napalm canisters when you need 'em? These MUST be the thickest people on the planet - next to dhimmidonks.
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Iraqis Roar as Officials Drag Ramsey Clark From Court!
BAGHDAD, Nov 5 (Reuters) - The judge presiding over the trial of Saddam Hussein and seven others on charges of crimes against humanity ejected former U.S. attorney general Ramsey Clark from the court on Sunday for insulting the tribunal.
Clark, who heads an international team of lawyers involved in the defence, was ejected at the start of a hearing at which Saddam and two aides were convicted and sentenced to death.
The judge, Raouf Abdul Rahman, ejected Clark because he had sent a memo to Abdul Rahman including the accusation that the tribunal was making "a mockery of justice".
The judge told him in Arabic: "No, you are the mockery ... get him out, out."
Abdul Rahman then shouted in English: "Out! Out!"
"You come from America and ridicule the Iraqi people," he said.
There is a deep moral flaw in the left's focus on process to the exclusion of substance. We see it here when the ACLU uses every procedural criticism they can but takes no responsibility for the resulting social impact of their legal maneuvers.
Saddam's trial wasn't perfect, but it was an incredible achievement for that country. Any procedural flaws pale in the face of the horrific acts for which he is responsible.
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My son spent most of 2004 guarding detainees at the detention facility at Camp Bucca near Umm Qasr, Iraq. He came back from that experience with a deep (and probably lifelong) loathing of:
* Amnesty International
* International Committee of the Red Cross
* Human Rights Watch
* The U.N.
* The Democratic Party
* Journalists
* Islam
He didn't hate them when he started his tour, but he sure as hell hates them now.
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My 2 cents.
Shoulda thrown grenades down the spider hole so the dork couldve joined his sons that day.
It would have generated a two to three week spike in violence in the Saddam Baathist area, but in the long run would have save a lot more people by pushing the trouble makers out into the front line immediately. It would have also created a power vacuum which would have permitted the Coalition Forces to far more easily identify those vying to take the throne and eliminate the waanabes. As theyre fighting among themselves, theyd be killing their own clan civilians rather than instigating and killing other clans and tribes as they have done since.
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But Saddam's feeding of his own people to industreal shreadders - without even the hint of a trial - is perfectly ok to AI's eyes.
Nah. Every few years, they'd issue a condemnation of that. Of course, they also condemn the US for trying to put an end to it.
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When the Baathists overthrew the Iraqi monarchy in 1958, they tore the young king and crown prince to pieces, hung the mutilated remains from a balcony, and capered around like demons in celebration.
Prominent leftists like Lynn Stewart, Ramsey Clark, and Ted Turner all support these human rights organizations, yet they refuse to criticize "revolutionary" regimes as though it were a moral principle.
Leftists are fond of saying that everything is relative, but the very concept of proportionality is thrown aside when one of their own is under attack.
The last thing a fish discovers is water. The last thing AI will discover is the piss that is their own ineptitude that they swim in. I'd like to see the how their vision of a fair trial would be played out. I'd like to see what they think are fair ground rules. Ptui! Good thing they aren't put in charge of this kind of thing or they'd still be arguing today! They can criticize every step, but they could not do the whole process themselves. They only seem to worry about petty little things when what they need to do is worry about the process as a whole. This was a dictator, not a civilian. If he goes free because of some technicality like his Miranda Rights or some such crap, that would be a greater crime against humanity than the crime against Sammy's "human rights". Which he forfeited as soon as he seized power the way he did. Every move AI suggests would almost invariably leave more destruction in its wake than progress. But they don't understand that. Piss on them until they figure it out. Which will never happen.
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I condemn AI and HRW for human rights violations. Same credibility, no?
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AI evidently prefers a more civilized procedure like the one Milosevic had at the Hague. That way, the defendant can die of old age before they hang him.
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Of course they do. That way they don't have to take responsibility for the choices they make and their consequences.
The Islamic Iraq State Announces The Establishment Of Al-Furqan Institute For Media Production.
In The Name Of Allah The Most Gracious The Most Merciful, All praise be to Allah, The Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds. Peace and prayer be upon our prophet, Muhammad, his family, and his companions. ....
It is the Furqan (Criterion) that distinguish between right and wrong, unequivocally and not secretly. It is the Criterion that separates between fighting in the name of Allah and fighting in the name of arrogance.
Allah said: "There has already been a sign for you (O Jews) in the two armies that met (in combat i.e. the battle of Badr): One was fighting in the Cause of Allâh and the other were disbelievers. They (the believers) saw them (the disbelievers) with their own eyes twice their number (although they were three times their number). .... " Allah called the day of "Badr" ... the criterion that distinguish between the right and wrong people by the sword and discloses the hypocrites, all praise and gratitude be to Allah. ....
The Ministry of Information for the Islamic State of Iraq is pleased to announce the formation of a media institution for the production of audio-visual releases and all informative material issued by the Ministry of Information in the Islamic State of Iraq, may Allah provide it strength and longevity to endorse is creation. This institute is a milestone on the path of jihad; a distinguished media that takes the great care in the management of the conflict with the Crusaders and their tails and to expose the lies in the Crusaders' media.
So, Allah willing, all that pleases the believers and exasperates the unbelievers and hypocrites, will be forthcoming in our new media effort. We ask Allah for success and guidance and that this work should be only for Allah. Oh Allah, defeat the Americans and their allies, and provide their equipment as booty for the Muslims, O Allah destroy them. Oh Allah, the sky is yours, the earth is yours and the sea is yours. Oh Allah, drop all their forces from the skies, destroy all their forces on land and sink all their forces on the sea. Oh Allah, retaliate upon them, afflict them like you did Pharaoh and his nation, Oh Allah afflict their country with floods; make them poor and in need of food and supporters. Oh Allah defeat them, destroy them Oh All-Strong, the Almighty. Allahu Akbar!
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Reading that last paragraph, does anyone else get the feeling the author had to find some tissues when he was done?
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I can barely get the point of what any Arabic statement is saying...Ditch some of the bravado and save some of the Allah praising for the end after the point is clearly stated. It seems that it takes have 1000 words to say something that could be conveyed in a well written sentence.
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Reading that last paragraph, does anyone else get the feeling the author had to find some tissues when he was done?
Cut him some slack, typing such a long tirade with one hand is not that easy.
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Allah said: "There has already been a sign for you (O Jews) in the two armies that met (in combat i.e. the battle of Badr) ...
... This institute is a milestone on the path of jihad; a distinguished media that takes the great care in the management of the conflict with the Crusaders and their tails and to expose the lies in the Crusaders' media.
Great start, squalling about some long-ago battle with the Jews and warring with the Crusaders and jihad bullshit. I'm sure we can all look forward to lots more wanking and spewing of this sort.
Saddam Hussein is to be denied his final wish of an "honourable" death by military firing squad after court officials ruled he should face the gallows as a common criminal if found guilty.
The former Iraqi dictator, who is expected to be given the death sentence today when a verdict is delivered in his first war crimes trial, has been demanding execution by the gun rather than the rope, on the basis that he was head of the country's armed forces.
But the Iraqi war crimes court in Baghdad has dismissed his request, noting that Saddam failed the entry exam for the Iraqi military academy and only became field marshal by appointing himself when president.
Its ruling is in line with legal conventions from Saddam's own time in power: Iraqi courts allowed a quick death by firing squad for those who showed remorse, but required the rope for those who they felt deserved to suffer.
They could always hang him and then shoot him: everybody plays, everybody wins.
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Bonus Points: Hanging is considered a way to dishonor the person being executed. Hence its widespread use in Iran by the Mullahs there.
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It would be more entertaining if they did a reverse hanging. Gently lift him off the ground and let a crowd beat on him with steel pipes until he's nothing more than a mass of quivering gelatin.
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The appeal (of all death and life sentances) is automatic - Saddam doesn't have to do anything. The appeal must start within 10 days. The appelate court does not have to re-hear the case, but merely review the record of the original trial. If the appelate court upholds the sentence, the verdict must be carried out within 30 days.
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BAGHDAD, Iraq Saddam Hussein and two other men were convicted and sentenced Sunday to death by hanging for war crimes in the 1982 killings of 148 people in the town of Dujail, as the former leader, trembling, shouted "God is great!"
After the verdict was read, Saddam yelled out, "Long live the people and death to their enemies. Long live the glorious nation, and death to its enemies!"
Clashes immediately broke out in north Baghdad's heavily Sunni Azamiyah district.
Saddam initially refused the chief judge's order to rise; two bailiffs lifted the ousted ruler to his feet and he remained standing through the sentencing.
Before the hearing began, one of Saddam's lawyers, former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, was ejected from the courtroom after handing the judge a memorandum in which he called the trial a travesty.
Chief Judge Raouf Abdul-Rahman pointed to Clark and said in English, "Get out."
In addition to the former Iraqi dictator and Barzan Ibrahim (Tikriti), his former intelligence chief and half brother, the Iraqi High Tribunal convicted and sentenced Awad Hamed al-Bandar, the head of Iraq's former Revolutionary Court, to death by hanging. Iraq's former Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan was convicted of premeditated murder and sentenced to life in prison.
Three other co-defendants were convicted of murder and torture and sentenced to up to 15 years in prison.
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I don't care if they give him a gental lethal injection and have school children sing him soothing lullabys. None of it will compare to the eternity he is facing. Even if you don't believe in hell - you can understand that his own soul is a dark hell beyond our imaginations.
I will pray for him and forgive him. His eternity is his own.
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A Mod needs to post this as the headline today.
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Also,
Now the security detail needs to be examined to ensure that there is no way he is going to be slipped any means to defeat the justice of the court. You wouldn't want him to evade justice with an 'herbal tea'.
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I really don't care how he dies, hanging, shooting, or herbal tea. He has a black soul and will get his reward in the end. The door will open and there he will join the other tortured souls of hell all welcoming him to his new eternal home.
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#7: The appeal (of all death and life sentances) is automatic - Saddam doesn't have to do anything. The appeal must start within 10 days. The appelate court does not have to re-hear the case, but merely review the record of the original trial. If the appelate court upholds the sentence, the verdict must be carried out within 30 days.
I noted a Loophole, there's no time limit on how long the Appelate Court can take for their "Review", only on when the execution must take place after the review is completed.
That means the appelate court can stall giving any verdict as long as they wish. They can "Review" for years, if they want to.
Bad, very Bad. Saddam needs to hang as quickly and as publicly as possible.
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Hanging n. Re: Law, Grammar. A criminal sentence with a dangling participant.
Id bind his hands behind his back, strip him down to his skivvies, and tie him to a post. Then Id give every burrka wearing widow, mother, and grandmother who lost a son, brother, husband, or father a very sharp but somewhat dull steak knife and let them loose on the sacrifice. Televise it to the neighboring states, so their leadership can see justice in action. That aught to curl a mullahs socks.
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Proco, jsut get Koranic. Bind him up, and put a big pile of paving stones hearby. Raise him slowly from a construction crane to 8 feet off the ground, and then let in the relatives of those who lost husbands/wives/children.
Don't even give him the dignity of a proper funeral - burn the body with a big ol Danish Ham.
Iraq's prime minister on Saturday said the verdict in Saddam Hussein's first trial would be handed down on Sunday and that he hoped the former leader will be given "what he deserves." Nouri Al-Maliki, who said last month that he hoped Saddam would be hanged, made the remarks after a meeting with tribal leaders from the restive southern city of Amarah.
"We hope that the verdict will give this man what he deserves for the crimes he committed against the Iraqi people," al-Maliki said. "The Iraqi people will express their happiness in a way they see fit and we will call on the Iraqi people through a broadcast statement to remain calm and express their happiness in an appropriate way in this current situation, in a way that does not risk their lives," the Shiite prime minister said.
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(Xinhua) -- The Iraqi authorities will impose a curfew in the capital and two neighboring provinces and indefinitely close Baghdad international airport on Sunday, when the court will give a verdict in Saddam Hussein's first trial. According to the official al-Iraqia TV on Saturday, Baghdad's international airport would remain closed from 6 a.m. Sunday (0300GMT) until further notice, as a security measure adopted before the Sunday verdict. A curfew will also be imposed in the capital and two neighboring provinces Diyala and Salahuddin from 6 a.m. (0300 GMT)on Sunday. But it is unclear when the curfew will be lift.
A verdict in Saddam's first trial for crimes against humanity is expected to be given on Sunday by Iraqi High Tribunal. Saddam and his seven co-accused have been charged with crimes against humanity for the killing of 148 Shiite villagers after a failed attempt assassination in the town of Dujail in 1982. If convicted, the ousted president faces death by hanging, which is feared to worsen the violence that already kills dozens of Iraqis everyday.
Iraqi authorities have taken security measures to stem probable rampant violence following the sentence, including setting up extra checkpoints and reinforcing patrols in the capital.
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Just days after joining the government, Avigdor Lieberman has set the national agenda - at least for the day. His statement that Arabs must be separated from Israel has become the talk of the town.
Lieberman, Israel's Minister for Strategic Affairs, told The Sunday Telegraph's Jerusalem correspondent that the best way to achieve peace in the Middle East would be for Jews and Arabs - including Israeli-Arabs - to live apart.
The remarks drew a storm of protest from the left-wing. MK Dov Hanin of the joint Arab-Israeli Hadash party said that Lieberman should be fired for his racist remarks. Meretz MK Zahava Gal'on added, "Lieberman was always a Kahanist, and remains a Kahanist."
MK Uri Ariel (National Union), on the other hand, justified Lieberman's position: "His words about the threat presented by Israeli-Arabs to the physical existence of the State of Israel are correct. Now that he has entered the government, it remains only for us to see which of his plans he will actualize to deal with this threat."
"We established Israel as a Jewish country," Lieberman said. "I want to provide an Israel that is a Jewish, Zionist country. It's about what kind of country we want to see in the future. Either it will be an [ethnically mixed] country like any other, or it will continue as a Jewish country."
In Favor of Territorial Exchange
Lieberman disagrees with most of his right-wing colleagues in one aspect of his "separation" plan between Israeli Jews and Arabs. While most of the right-wing recognizes Jordan as the original Palestinian state, and some, such as MK Benny Elon, would leave many Arabs in Judea and Samaria as a "sub-state" of Jordan, Lieberman wishes to trade Israeli-Arab populated areas for Jewish areas of Judea and Samaria.
Specifically, Lieberman would hand over the Um El-Fahm area of the southern Galilee, known as the Triangle, to foreign sovereignty. By thus redrawing Israel's borders, he wishes to retain Israel's overwhelming Jewish majority.
Speaking today with Army Radio, Lieberman explained, "The exchange of territories and populations will help us form a Jewish, homogeneous state. We promised to establish a Palestinian state free of Jews, but in the meanwhile, we ourselves are turning into a bi-national state with a minority of more than 20% Arabs."
The Cyprus Model
"Minorities are the biggest problem in the world," Lieberman told the newspaper. "I think separation between two nations is the best solution. Cyprus is the best model. Before 1974, the Greeks and Turks lived together and there were frictions and bloodshed and terror. After 1974, they constituted all Turks on one part of the island, all Greeks on the other part of the island and there is stability and security." Acknowledging that this involved the forcible eviction of thousands, he said that in any event, "the final result was better."
The Telegraph writes in the name of "analysts" that the "smooth appointment [to the government] of a man recently considered an extremist rabble-rouser is a sign of political radicalization in Israel." Tel Aviv University political science professor Gideon Doron is quoted as saying, "After the summer war in Lebanon, many Israelis have moved to the Right. They think security is bad and trust Palestinians and Arabs less. They don't believe in the possibility of peace through negotiations, so Lieberman has become the center of a new consensus."
Lieberman, the head of the Yisrael Beiteinu (Israel Our Home) party, also had some strong words for Iran. Israel is on the "front line of a clash of civilizations between the free world and extremist Islam," he said, adding that Iran is "the base of an axis of evil which is a problem for all the world."
"Every week, the president of Iran declares his intention to destroy us," Lieberman said.
Lieberman called upon the international community to unite against "an axis of evil led by Iran. Iran is the biggest threat. It's a problem for the whole world, but Israel really has a bad location. We are on the front line between the clash of civilizations between the free world and the extremist Islamic world."
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Lieberman should propose a two-tiered justice system. In addition to any criminal matter, the court could find for a sentence of transportation out of Israel for Arab Israelis. That is, once an Arab Israeli's criminal punishment had been served, they could be deported, as unsuited for residency.
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Sounds fair, only they might as well apply it to Jews, too. They have enough kosher gangsters to display when AI accuses them of picking on Arabs.
The Greeks (and other peoples of the same era) used exile as a punishment for what we'd consider non-capital felonies. I can't say I'd mind seeing some of America's worst dumped outside our borders, especially if the destination was someplace like Pakistan.
On the other hand (curse this rationality!), Liberman's bad news in that Israel will either succeed as a secular state or it will fall onto the ash heap of history. The day of the religious state is gone. The people trying to bring it back are the enemy. Israel as a Hebrew-speaking state I can take, Israel as a composite Ashkenazi-Sephardic or even Yiddish cultural state I can take. As a state where you're required to adhere to any religion or to belong to an exclusive race -- sorry guys. That's our parting of the ways.
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The day of the religious state is gone. The people trying to bring it back are the enemy. Israel as a Hebrew-speaking state I can take, Israel as a composite Ashkenazi-Sephardic or even Yiddish cultural state I can take. As a state where you're required to adhere to any religion or to belong to an exclusive race -- sorry guys. That's our parting of the ways.
Author! Author! Theocracy is the enemy of liberty, no matter what form it takes.
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Israel is not a religious state, any more than the US is. Yes, on the key Jewish holidays Israeli government offices are closed, as US government offices are closed on Christmas, but private companies are not required to observe the same closures. Nor are the laws of Judaism legally binding upon all, or even upon Jewish Israelis. There are plenty of atheist Israelis, and like atheist Americans, they are equally law abiding, equally respected, and fully equal in the eyes of the law. Just because the Muslims have great difficulty separating religion and State (as once again Turkey, the best hope for change, swings closer to theocracy while the pashas weigh the necessity of stepping in to reset things) does not mean the Jews do.
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then they're not civilians. They're deliberate collateral damage. Call the EU pukes on their support for this shit
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Law enforcement calls them accomplices. The military refers to them as abbetors. We need to begin calling them dead. They are nothing but terrorist facilitators. The routine use of illegitimate combatants by the Palestinians must be penalized. These willing participants must pay the piper if they run interference for terrorists. Be it rock-throwing kids or these women shields, they must all take the dirt nap for thinking they can play rough in a military offense.
Between Europe's providing cover for Hezbollah and their ridiculously biased accusations of Israeli genocide, they have once again shown themselves to be the irrelevant and marginal players they truly are. The EU will more likely crumble (as it should), than ever attain superpower status.
While Olmert's message is an important one, this messenger has hamstrung himself well beyond the realm of further effectiveness. He needs to step down and hand off power to someone who is willing to take on Israel's gathering foes.
The European Union expressed Saturday its "profound concern" by increased violence in Gaza and criticized Israeli atrocities as a violation of international law. A statement by the current Finnish EU Presidency said the EU "deplores the growing number of civilian casualties the Israeli military operation has caused."
Right on schedule, aren't they? And not a word about the continuing rocket attacks on Israel.
"The right of all states to defend themselves does not justify disproportionate use of violence or actions which are contrary to international humanitarian law." Over 40 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since last Wednesday when the Zionist regime launched its attacks .
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Attention EU. F**k you and the asses you rode in on.
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"The right of all states to defend themselves does not justify disproportionate use of violence or actions which are contrary to international humanitarian law."
Listen up you Euro assholes, terrorism always justifies the use of disproportionate force. Fighting genocidal psychotics grants you permission to ratchet it up a notch beyond "disproportionate".
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You know, it's only when the U.S. gives a sh*t that this criticism has any mass. And you know what? Our sympathy for the Palestinians went out the window with the Kassams and the kidnapping and Hezbollah's raid that ended in 8 Israeli soldiers killed. So wail away, but it's over.
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"Our sympathy for the Palestinians went out the window with the Kassams and the kidnapping and Hezbollah's raid that ended in 8 Israeli soldiers killed. So wail away, but it's over."
Uh, not me: my sympathy for those bloody savages went bye-bye with the first of the airplane hijackings back in the late 1960's.
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Notice the contrast with the thundering silence about rapes and murders in Darfur.
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Took me a little longer, until I spent time there on business during the wave of hijackings / bombings in the 80s. And found myself caught up in the aftermath of a murder by a westbanker of a Jew in Old City Jerusalem souk. And then had an engine on my plane back to JFK explode just after we took off. And went through all the security searches after we managed to land safely, having dumped all the fuel needed to get to NY directly from Tel Aviv.
And realized at a very personal level what the Israelis were living with on a daily basis.
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EU could care less, the Paleo's are only killing jew's, don't ya know?
Like lotp my attitude changes in the 80's as well. The Beirut bombings and the torture and hanging of the US Marine LTC sealed my opinion, FOREVER.
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Over 40 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since last Wednesday when the Zionist regime launched its attacks .
Why did it launch the attacks? WHY, you dimwits? Stop the rocket attacks, stop the boomers, stop the violence and there wouldn't BE any Israeli attacks. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Renounce violence. Recognize Israel. Keep your agreements.
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Let's see:
The PLO kills RFK changing the 1968 election.
Then the grab a bunch of planes and blow them up in the desert.
Then try to kill King Hussian who reponds by kicking their asses out of Jordan with a massive fight.
The enter Leb and ruin it.
Wash and repeat over and over.
Such loveable people
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Uh, not me: my sympathy for those bloody savages went bye-bye with the first of the airplane hijackings back in the late 1960's.
Same here, David D.. Munich and Entebbe sealed whatever disgust I already had for Yasser Arafat, who I never regarded as anything more than a routine conniving two-bit lying thug of a terrorist. The Palestinians have done nothing but prove to me over and over again just how perfectly Arafat reflected his entire culture.
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Anyway, for most of the Europeans of the Old Europe, Israelis are always guilty when they defend themselves.
The propaganda, here in France, never stops. We enjoy 24/7 anti-israeli slanders.
Sometimes, the journalists even repeat the most blatant antisemite lies spread by the Palestinians (last week, the French information radio "France Info" said that Israel is using secret weapons that are maiming poor Pals with especially horrendous wounds...).
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas asked the UN Security Council on Saturday to convene and discuss the Israeli military operations in Gaza Strip, Palestinian news agency WAFA reported.
WAFA quoted presidential sources as saying that Abbas had sent a letter to the President of the UN Security Council, demanding an urgent session to discuss the disastrous and dangerous situation in the Palestinian Territories. Abbas also urged the Arab League to meet immediately in order to put an end to the Israeli offensive, according to a spokesman for Abbas. The spokesman said that President Abbas had phoned the Secretary General of the Arab League Amr Moussa and asked the Arab League to push for a session of UN Security Council.
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The worthless Paleos are only a few million. I would think any mess in Africa or Asia should trump the damn Paleos for the Council's consideration.
KUWAIT CITY - French Defence Minister Michele Alliot-Marie warned Saturday of the risks of renewed conflict on the Lebanon-Israel border after the Jewish states summer war with Hezbollah. Speaking during a visit to Kuwait, she called the current situation there stable and fragile after a UN resolution ended 34 days of fighting between Israel and the Shia movement Hezbollah on August 15.
'Stable' and 'fragile'? Doesn't the one imply the absence of the other? I guess my French is rusty; that makes no sense.
That is why it is imperative to avoid any risk of provocation that could lead to renewed conflict or other parties not to respect their obligations under UN Security Council Resolution 1701, Alliot-Marie told a news conference.
Asked about ongoing Israeli violations of Lebanese airspace, she said they were worrying because such overflights take a hostile form -- as was the case with a French naval vessel and a German one. There is always the risk that the crews on board these ships will exercise their legitimate right to defence and return fire, she said.
There's also the risk that the Israeli planes will then exercise their legitimate right to defense and sink the ship.
Airspace violations may also be an incitement for others not to respect their obligations under the United Nations resolution and to reply to provocation at a time when the interest of everyone in the region is in having peace, Alliot-Marie added.
Aren't you guys the ones who are supposed to make sure that the 'others' respect their obligations?
She urged the Lebanese people to show cohesion on the political level, as Lebanon is a formidable example... of the capacity of men and women of different origins, religions and cultures to live together.
No, the United States is a formidable example of that; Lebanon is just a tragedy.
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I ran into a Lebanese friend the other day, and she stated baldly that Israel should have destroyed Lebanon completely this summer, and that she hopes they will go back soon to finish the job. She said it's Lebanon's only hope, because the Hizb'allah occupation is worse than the PLO one. Granted, she is Eastern Orthodox Christian and her husband is Catholic, but I was surprised even so. It sounds like the non-Shiite Lebanese have the same understanding of war dynamics as the Jewish Concentration Camp prisoners, who prayed daily that the Allies would bomb the camps to shut down the factories.
The Krauts are not going to shoot at anything unless it's actively poking holes in their shiny cruiser, which the Israelis are to smart to do. The Frogs are not going to do ANYTHING, ever - that's their answer to islamic militancy. Supine and stupid. Terminal.
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Good. Then soon enough the two of you will stop sniffing at each other with raised hackles, and discover intersecting sets of knowledge, Mick Dundee. "Uncle Sam's Misguided Children" are Marines, right? (I, as you no doubt figured out, am about as purely civian as a person can get these days.)
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Shitrack doesn't have a chance at a third term if the muzzies keep burning cars. This has gone on for what, six-seven years now, and he's done nothing to stop it? The French may be slow, but NOBODY'S that stupid - I hope!
France has done nothing to implement UNR 1701, so the "fragile" situation is partly their fault. The rest of the UNIFIL is equally to blame for the situation going from bad to worse, and they will pay for it. In the next war, I don't think Israel will give a da$$ if UNIFIL troops are in the way.
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I'm sorry, on rereading that last I see it's a bit incoherent. It's just that Pappy was doing something with some, and the description is quite striking to me.
Then pull your head out of your dogma and think like a damn warrior. Your attitude is that it's gonna be another Bubiyan turkey-shoot. I say it will not be that easy.
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Michele Allio-Marie said that "Lebanon is a formidable example... of the capacity of men and women of different origins, religions and cultures to live together"...
What a lie! There is not a single Jew in Lebanon, and if an Israeli Jew was to enter Lebanon, he would be killed very fast. How can a racist country, like Lebanon is nowadays, be an example ?
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Saturday that any measures the United Nations Security Council agrees to impose against Iran should be only for a limited time, Russian news agencies reported. Lavrov, returning from a visit to the European Union headquarters in Brussels, said any measures "should have a precise limitation on the period for their being in effect, and it should be written in the document what mechanism will be used to end these measures," the ITAR-Tass news agency reported. "We are prepared to accept measures against Iran, so attempts to accuse us of refusing to accept the resolution are absolutely baseless," he was quoted as saying. Lavrov called on all sides to be "pragmatic."
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The kind of sanctions I have in mind shouldn't take long at all.
But I can tell you what it is not about. Not about Israel, not about Iraq, not about Afghanistan. They are mere excuses. Algerian Muslim fundamentalists murdered 150,000 other Algerian Muslims, sometimes slitting the throats of children in front of their parents. Are you seriously telling me that this was because of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians or American foreign policy?"
He's exasperated now, visibly angry at what he sees as a willful Western foolishness. "Stop asking what you have done wrong. Stop it! They're slaughtering you like sheep and you still look within. You criticize your history, your institutions, your churches. Why can't you realize that it has nothing to do with what you have done but with what they want."
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This is one ex-jihadi that has no chance of ever getting face time on any CNN, MSNBC,CBS, NBC, ABC tv program (with the possible exception of the FNC), nor should he expect to be interviewed by the NYT or WaPo.
The sexual aspect of suicide bombing is interesting. I recall shortly after 9-11 in a chatroom on AOL a (self-reported) young muslim woman commenting that it was well known among muslim women that muslim men are unable to satisfy their partners. She came in for a lot of grief from the muslim "men" on the site. Whether she was really who she said she was or whether she was an infidel female just baiting the muslim boys on the site is not known but it most certainly provoked a violently verbal response from the muslim boys. No shock there, huh?
Several people have written on this site that reform or salvation for islam will come from the women. There may be truth in that statment.
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Here's the money lines from the article:
"The first thing you have to understand is that it has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with poverty or lack of education," he says. "I was from a middle-class family and my parents were not religious. Hardly anyone in the movement at university came from a background that was different from mine.
"I've heard this poverty nonsense time and time again from Western apologists for Islam, most of them not Muslim by the way. Therearemillionsof passivesupportersof terror who may be poor and needy but most of those who do the killing are wealthy, privileged, educated and free. If it were about poverty, ask yourself why it is middle-class Muslims -- and never poor Christians -- who become suicide bombers in Palestine."
"We're not talking about a fringe cult here," he tells me. "Salafist [fundamentalist] Islam is the dominant version of the religion and is taught in almost every Islamic university in the world. It is puritanical, extreme and does, yes, mean that women can be beaten, apostates killed and Jews called pigs and monkeys."
But I can tell you what it is not about. Not about Israel, not about Iraq, not about Afghanistan. They are mere excuses. Algerian Muslim fundamentalists murdered 150,000 other Algerian Muslims, sometimes slitting the throats of children in front of their parents. Are you seriously telling me that this was because of Israel's treatment of the Palestinians or American foreign policy?"
"Stop asking what you have done wrong. Stop it! They're slaughtering you like sheep and you still look within. You criticize your history, your institutions, your churches. Why can't you realize that it has nothing to do with what you have done but with what they want."
This is from someone who "trained under Ayman al-Zawahiri", al-Qaeda's second in command, subordinate only to bin Laden himself. You can trust this guy. Notice the almost complete and total absence of any anti-Western diatribes in his statements?
He is telling us infidels how to survive, and it has nothing to do with negotiations, appeasement or accomodation. If we do not begin killing huge numbers of jihadis and their supporters (no matter how passive), in the very near future, we can all kiss our collective asses goodbye.
Justin Johnson, who died in Iraq, is one of the soldiers being remembered in a visit to the Middle East nation by his parents and other Gold Star families. Parents of U.S. troops who died in Iraq have quietly slipped in to the Middle East nation to offer support to its people and to American servicemen and women.
Coming on the heels of Sen. John Kerry's widely publicized comment suggesting military service is a refuge of the lazy and uneducated, the parents say they also want to rebut the Massachusetts Democrat. "I am spitting mad at John Kerry for insulting our troops. Duck and run was his specialty in Vietnam," said Gold Star mother Debra Argel.
Organizer Move America Forward said, to its knowledge, no other such trip to Iraq by families of fallen troops had ever taken place.
Joe and Jan Johnson, whose son Justin died in Sadr City, also expressed anger at Kerry. The family's story is featured in the newly released book "American Mourning", which recounts how Joe Johnson, himself, joined the military to serve in Iraq. "These were grown adults we are talking about, not kids who didn't know what they were doing," said the couple's statement. "Contrary to Kerry's belief, they made an 'educated' decision to join the military, most of them after 9/11, so they knew the possibilities of going to war were pretty good and they chose to serve anyway."
"American Mourning" which contrasts the Johnsons with the family of Justin's war buddy, Casey Sheehan tells how Kerry tried to recruit the Johnsons at their sons' funeral to speak out against President Bush and his Iraq policy.
The Gold Star parents want to see the newly liberated Iraq for which their children gave their lives, Move America Forward said, pointing out most of the country's provinces are without the violence shown daily by international media.
The family members will meet with U.S. troops and hope to meet with Iraqi citizens and their government leaders. Move America Forward said it is providing updated accounts of the trip, with photographs, audio and video on its website. The trip, planned for more than a year, is being financed by the contributions of thousands of Americans, the group said. No government money has been used.
Family members have issued the following statements to explain why they are in Iraq.
John Holley:
I want to see for myself what America has been able to accomplish to help the Iraqis help themselves. I will be asking the Iraqis what message do they want me to give for them to the people back in America. Finally, I came because I wanted to experience the same feelings that my son experienced when he was preparing to go to Iraq, sort of like walking in his shoes.
Debra Argel:
I want to carry a message of love, support and hope to our troops. I want them to know that despite the negative media and despite our loss, we are there for them with all of our hearts. I hope to take some pictures with some of the troops and send pictures and cards to their families when I get home. These cards will help their families know that someone cared to spend a little time with their soldier.
Mike Anderson:
This trip is something that I will gain additional closure from. Losing my only son, namesake, and first born, has been the toughest thing in my entire life. I continue to gain strength from Mike Jr. When they say Marines are a different breed, they are right this kid was as tough as nails and a force to be reckoned with.
I want tell anybody that will listen, the good that we have done and are currently doing. We cannot find security by turning a blind eye or thinking that "if we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone." That's utterly ridiculous.
Joseph Williams:
I am proud of my son and his service to this nation. He made the ultimate sacrifice so that each of us may live in peace, blessed with freedom. America has carried the torch for freedom, fighting for individual liberties against communism, fascism, totalitarianism and now once more against terrorism. If we cut and run from Iraq, that will deal a devastating blow in the war against terrorism. Will any terrorist group ever fear us again, or will they know that they need only outlast us? We must stand by our heroic military men and women in Iraq and the mission they are serving there.
Jan Johnson:
"I'm anxious but excited ... after all, it is still a war zone over there. I want to go see for myself what is going on over there. I have heard from a lot of people, both ways, and I want to be able to say I personally have been there and saw it first hand.
Joe Johnson:
I want to be able to tell the troops that there are Americans who still believe we are doing the right thing by being there. We want them to know that there are people back here who are supporting and praying for them daily.
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"I want to be able to tell the troops that there are Americans who still believe we are doing the right thing by being there."
So long as I live, I will NEVER forgive John Kerry and his slimey ilk for making it necessary for these good people to go over there and assure our soldiers that some of us "still believe" they are there for a noble cause. That ANY among us believe they aren't, because of the Democratic Party's cynically contrived opposition to the war, is a national disgrace.
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I hope these parents can see something there to maintain their belief their childrens' deaths accomplished something. While I think it did, I am not sure it will be obvious, and I am concerned that if they come back and express disillusionment it will be virtually impossible to counter their righteousness.
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Australian consular officials expect to make their first contact with three Australians terror suspects detained in Yemen later today or tonight. The three, brothers Mohammed and Abdullah Ayub and another man, Marat Sumolsky, 35, are among a group of eight foreigners with alleged links to al-Qaeda who are facing terrorism charges in Yemen over an alleged plot to smuggle arms to Somalia. The men were arrested more than two weeks ago but the scheduled visit will be the first by Australian officials. Attempts to see the men earlier have been hampered by the Eid religious festival. 
A leading church group which represents more than a million Christians has raised the prospect of civil unrest and even "violent revolution" to protect religious freedoms.
South Korea's Foreign Minister Ban Ki-moon was set to arrive in Japan on Sunday for talks with Japanese leaders on North Korea and other issues. Ban, the next UN secretary-general, was scheduled to meet his Japanese counterpart Taro Aso on Sunday evening, Japan's Foreign Ministry said. The two are expected to talk about coordinating U.N. Security Council sanctions imposed on North Korea after its nuclear test, and to discuss resuming stalled international talks on the North's nuclear ambitions. Ban was also expected to meet Prime Minister Shinzo Abe on Monday. 
North Korea said on Saturday that Japan should not bother to attend six-country talks on ending its nuclear weapons programme because it was just a territory of the United States. Pyongyang agreed on Tuesday to return to the talks involving the two Koreas, Japan, China, Russia and the United States after staying away for a year in protest over a US crackdown on its international finances. Talks are expected to resume in the next month. 
Former U.S. Defense Secretary William Perry warned Saturday that the United States might be forced to take military action against North Korea if China and South Korea do not agree to apply "coercive action" in urging North Korea to scrap its nuclear ambitions. 
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Strict security arrangements were made for this day and heavy contingents of police were deployed on routes of the procession. Both the United States and the Musharraf government are responsible for what happened in Bajur, demonstrators shouted. Even if the operation was carried out by local forces, the orders came from the US, MMA Secretary-General 
Saddam Hussein is to be denied his final wish of an "honourable" death by military firing squad after court officials ruled he should face the gallows as a common criminal if found guilty.
Iraq's prime minister on Saturday said the verdict in Saddam Hussein's first trial would be handed down on Sunday and that he hoped the former leader will be given "what he deserves." Nouri Al-Maliki, who said last month that he hoped Saddam would be hanged, made the remarks after a meeting with tribal leaders from the restive southern city of Amarah. 
(Xinhua) -- The Iraqi authorities will impose a curfew in the capital and two neighboring provinces and indefinitely close Baghdad international airport on Sunday, when the court will give a verdict in Saddam Hussein's first trial. According to the official al-Iraqia TV on Saturday, Baghdad's international airport would remain closed from 6 a.m. Sunday (0300GMT) until further notice, as a security measure adopted before the Sunday verdict. A curfew will also be imposed in the capital and two neighboring provinces Diyala and Salahuddin from 6 a.m. (0300 GMT)on Sunday. But it is unclear when the curfew will be lift. 
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas asked the UN Security Council on Saturday to convene and discuss the Israeli military operations in Gaza Strip, Palestinian news agency WAFA reported. 
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said Saturday that any measures the United Nations Security Council agrees to impose against Iran should be only for a limited time, Russian news agencies reported. Lavrov, returning from a visit to the European Union headquarters in Brussels, said any measures "should have a precise limitation on the period for their being in effect, and it should be written in the document what mechanism will be used to end these measures," the ITAR-Tass news agency reported. "We are prepared to accept measures against Iran, so attempts to accuse us of refusing to accept the resolution are absolutely baseless," he was quoted as saying. Lavrov called on all sides to be "pragmatic."
