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Nurse Savaged By Giant Pig
Posted by: FOTSGreg || 10/13/2006 20:27 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sorry, it wasn't Billy-Jeff...

/couldn't resist//

Posted by: FOTSGreg || 10/13/2006 21:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Gawd, I gotta get my glasses checked. I thought it said giant pug.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/13/2006 23:13 Comments || Top||

#3  Does anybody know the whereabouts of Messrs. Clinton or T. Kennedy?

Oh, not THOSE pigs....sorry..
Posted by: USN,Ret || 10/13/2006 23:17 Comments || Top||

#4  If I had an army of these pigs, I could conquer the world, again.
Posted by: Alexander || 10/13/2006 23:22 Comments || Top||

#5  "Curse of the Were-Pig"
Posted by: Sholung Shiter3930 || 10/13/2006 23:25 Comments || Top||


Britain
Schoolgirl, 14, arrested for refusing to study with non-English pupils
The thought police strike again. Ah, the benefits of multi-cultural nazism.
A teenage schoolgirl was arrested by police for racism after refusing to sit with a group of Asian students because some of them did not speak English. Codie Stott's family claim she was forced to spend three-and-a-half hours in a police cell after she was reported by her teachers.

The 14-year-old - who was released without charge - said it had been a simple matter of commonsense and accused the school and police of an over-the-top reaction.

The incident happened in the same local education authority where a ten-year-old boy was prosecuted earlier this year for calling a schoolfriend racist names in the playground, a move branded by a judge "political correctness gone mad."

Codie was attending a GCSE science class at Harrop Fold High School in Worsley, Greater Manchester, when the incident happened. The teenager had not been in school the day before due to a hospital appointment and had missed the start of a project, so the teacher allocated her a group to sit with. "She said I had to sit there with five Asian pupils," said Codie yesterday. "Only one could speak English, so she had to tell that one what to do so she could explain in their language. Then she sat me with them and said 'Discuss'."

According to Codie, the five - four boys and a girl - then began talking in a language she didn't understand, thought to be Urdu, so she went to speak to the teacher. "I said 'I'm not being funny, but can I change groups because I can't understand them?' But she started shouting and screaming, saying 'It's racist, you're going to get done by the police'."

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Posted by: mcsegeek1 || 10/13/2006 09:53 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  But it's ok to ask for the beheading of infidels, or the killing of the Pope.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/13/2006 10:00 Comments || Top||

#2  Sad. That's all I can say.
Posted by: Icerigger || 10/13/2006 10:00 Comments || Top||

#3  And of course if she was in a english group with 1 non-english speaking Paki they (the english speakers) would be arrested for using english (thus oppressing the minority...)
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/13/2006 10:07 Comments || Top||

#4  Put the fear of lawsuits and large judgements in these PC, multiculti scumbags.
Posted by: ed || 10/13/2006 10:23 Comments || Top||

#5  This type of overreaction has only two causes, both of which are always in play.

The first is the authorities have nothing but utter contempt for the "victims", choosing to see them as helpless, hopeless, and inherently inferior. (Seeing themselves as very superior, also, natch.)

The second is that the authorities are terrified that the majority are close to rising up and smiting the minority. This is based on the mistaken belief that the majority are as contemptuous and racist towards the minority as are the authorities.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/13/2006 11:18 Comments || Top||

#6  "Asian" pupils

The word again tars all Asians because mozzies are actually making all the waves. The rich English language suddenly ran out of more specific terms?!
Posted by: Duh! || 10/13/2006 11:41 Comments || Top||

#7  Who is this damn teacher? Another Paki ? This is intolerable. It denies the right of eduaction to an "actual" British citizen. Again, this happens in US also. I heard on news yesterday about some "art" teacher who had plastered the walls of his room with pro-illegal immigrant posters. Some in Spanish. He apparently gave 10-15 minute harangues at the beginning of each "art " class, which the young students had to endure. Somewhere around San Diego. His name = Medina. Probably a Mecha advocate. Hear anything about this Frank G. ? This is bullshit for American students.
Posted by: SpecOp35 || 10/13/2006 12:31 Comments || Top||

#8  brutalizing a 14 year old girls to make a point is the sort of thing that results in a backlash -
that is if their is any life left in what was once known as Britain.
Posted by: anon || 10/13/2006 12:41 Comments || Top||

#9  Seems to me the Teacher and School Policeman could do with a visit to the same holding cell. That might balance the situation.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 10/13/2006 12:59 Comments || Top||

#10  I stopped giving money to my high school because some stupid (I mean that as a description of her intelligence, not as an insult) mechista took over as college guidance counselor and stopped inviting elite schools to recruit on campus. She wants the kids to stay in the "community." Stupid, zero-sum-thinking bimbo.
Posted by: 11A5S || 10/13/2006 14:01 Comments || Top||

#11  Should this prove to be typical, Britain is doomed. This teacher effectively forced the student into a role as translator for the non-English speakers and thereby diminished Codie's ability to obtain maximum educational value from the class' curiculum. To jail a child for objecting to that which impedes her own education sends the very worst sort of message.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/13/2006 20:33 Comments || Top||

#12  You know how they say things have to get worse before they get better? A dozen more incidents like this one, and I think the Labor Party will pay at the polls. Big time.
Posted by: Zhang Fei || 10/13/2006 21:23 Comments || Top||


Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia
Gorbie Mouths Off "US Wasted Chance To Improve The World"
Posted by: FOTSGreg || 10/13/2006 20:09 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well that's nice - your opinion is invalid, since it is coming from a failed true believer apparachik who served heart & soul the single most murderous ideology the world has ever been cursed with.
Piss off scumbag.
Posted by: JerseyMike || 10/13/2006 21:32 Comments || Top||

#2  He said the United States and other Western countries had missed an opportunity to make the world a better place after the fall of the Berlin Wall in November 1989 ushered in the end of communism.

"At that point, the West focused more on its geopolitical interests," Gorbachev said, adding that Western countries had been more interested in cashing in on the "unbridled burst of globalization" that followed the end of the Cold War than in improving the international political climate.

Gorby translation: "Communism went titz-up but the least the US could've done would be to push Trans-national socialism in its place."
Posted by: WTF || 10/13/2006 21:34 Comments || Top||

#3  Cheap-a$$ed excuse for his own failures. Blame the US, Gorby, everyone else does.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/13/2006 21:46 Comments || Top||

#4  F*ck off, Gorby Failure.

Let us know when you've accomplished anything beyond saving our own sorry ass, and maybe we'll be willing to listen.


Aw, who am I kidding. No, we won't.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/13/2006 23:09 Comments || Top||

#5  Ye, like spraying Dar with pesticide.
Posted by: gromgoru || 10/13/2006 23:46 Comments || Top||


Europe
Two quotes from the main would-be socialist canditate to the 2007 french presidential election
I'm of course talking about the msm darling, ségolène "my ideas are what you think are your ideas" royal... note that if the usual cycle of french politics (each majority gets booted after failing to deliver, and is replaced by the other half of the ruling Elite) is followed, the socialist should win. Hat tip Brussels journal.


Red Royal
From the desk of The Brussels Journal
A quote from French Socialist presidential frontrunner Ségolène Royal, 13 October 2006

The capitalists have to be frightened. There is no alternative. They can’t just dispose of people as they wish. They have to be held accountable.

Royal Opposes American Hyperpower
From the desk of The Brussels Journal
A quote from French Socialist presidential frontrunner Ségolène Royal, 11 October 2006

The world needs Europe, the only peaceful power able to represent an alternative to the American hyperpower.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/13/2006 13:25 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  No mention of the "Zionist Entity"? I'm hurt.
Posted by: gromgoru || 10/13/2006 14:01 Comments || Top||

#2  Don't be so self-centered, uncle Gromgoru.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/13/2006 14:08 Comments || Top||

#3  America needs the EU like a drowning man needs a millstone tied to his ankle.
Posted by: DarthVader || 10/13/2006 14:46 Comments || Top||

#4  "The world needs Europe, the only peaceful power group for suicidal countries able to represent an INSANE alternative to the American hyperpower."

There - fixed that for ya'.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/13/2006 14:51 Comments || Top||

#5  It's one of those, "Did you say something???"
Posted by: anonymous2u || 10/13/2006 20:40 Comments || Top||


Airbus Parent Company Considers Selling Factories
EFL

[EADS Co-Chairman] Bischoff, told the International Herald Tribune newspaper that EADS would be open to selling factories but only if the buyers could operate them, as sub contractors, more cheaply than Airbus.

Commenting on the crisis and uncertainty wracking Airbus and its parent company the European Aeronautics Defense and Space Company, he said in an interview: "If it's only changing hands for the sake of ownership, it's not worthwhile."

Commenting on criticism, notably from financial analysts, that the problems at Airbus arise largely from political interference to defend the national interests of partners and industrial jobs, Bischoff commented that two big private shareholders, the German auto group DaimlerChrysler and Lagardere Group of France, did not necessarily accept such pressures.

He said: "There is no reason to assume that DaimlerChrysler or Lagardere Group want to make sacrifices on the altar of national feelings."
Posted by: mrp || 10/13/2006 11:57 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Before anybody opens fire on Airbus, in all fairness, take a look at what Boeing did with their Wichita plant; sold it to Spirit Avaition, but the facility still builds the same Boeing pieces they did before the sale. And part of the sale was that the union was tossed out. Big pay cuts also.
Posted by: USN,Ret || 10/13/2006 23:20 Comments || Top||

#2  Heh,™ #1.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/13/2006 23:30 Comments || Top||


Serbs to cough up Mladic real soon now
General Ratko Mladic, the main accused person in Bosnia's war-crimes, would be arrested soon, said Thursday Serbia's General Attorney Vladimir Vuckovic.
“The accused general's family has been negotiating with the government to receive guarantees and financial support during the period of his arrest.”
Private B 92 radio cited Vuckovic as saying that Serbia's government decided to arrest and extradite General Mladic to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in Hague. The Serbian government's decision came after repeated calls from the US Administration and the European Union to capture and turn in General Mladic to the ICJ as a condition for expanding cooperation between the US and the EU on one side and Serbia, said the general attorney. He alluded to a deal between Belgrade and a number of western capitals concerning handing out General Mladic to the ICJ in return for certain political compromises in addition to economic aid and incentives.

Vuckovic, however, refused to specify a date for the hand over of the accused general, whose family has been negotiating with the government to receive guarantees and financial support during the period of his arrest.
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/13/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Who cares anymore? That war was a Clintion-Albright folly. They are has-beens.
Posted by: Snease Shaiting3550 || 10/13/2006 4:59 Comments || Top||

#2  The RB graphics are in a class of their own.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/13/2006 6:37 Comments || Top||

#3  Vacation's over, Carla.
Well, maybe...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/13/2006 10:30 Comments || Top||


Merkel waffles on Airbus bailout
Just another excuse to run the flying turkey pic.
LOL.
German aerospace giant Airbus -- still reeling from the announcement that it's A380 super jumbo jet would be delayed by two years -- continues to rein. In order to protect its role in the complicated structure of Airbus's parent company, EADS, the German government is considering the purchase of German-held shares from DaimlerChrysler. But conflicting public statements made on Thursday by officials in Hamburg -- which, with over 10,000 workers, is home to Airbus's largest German production plant -- and Berlin suggested that the government isn't on the same page.
"You want how much?"
"It is certain that the sale will happen," Hamburg Mayor Ole von Beust of the conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) said following a meeting with Airbus's new chief Louis Gallois on Thursday. The mayor said details must still be clarified, but he welcomed the "federal government's decision."
More government involvement always helps to save failing businesses ...
Less than a half-hour later, however, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, also of the CDU, contradicted the Hamburg mayor, saying the federal government had yet to decide whether to purchase shares in the crisis-plagued concern.
It's not like the government can time its purchase of shares for the bottom.
However, Merkel added that it was important to the German government that any potential shareholder also feel an obligation to the EADS and Airbus project, which is often described in the industrial sector as a "European champion" -- a model of cross-border business on the continent. DaimlerChrysler, which with 22.3 percent is EADS's largest single shareholder, is seeking to pare its stake down to 15 percent.
And there's a sucker born every minute ...
Merkel spoke following a meeting with French President Jacques Chirac in Paris -- a tête-à-tête that coincided with a visit by Airbus's new CEO Louis Gallois to the company's Hamburg plant. Merkel said the fact that Gallois was visiting the northern German city served as a symbol that the company considers its Hamburg plant to be an important one. Many of the current production problems with the prestigious A380 super jumbo project have originated in Hamburg, and there is considerable fear that the plant could feel the brunt of any layoffs.

In his statements earlier in the day, made standing side-by-side with Gallois, Hamburg Mayor von Beust said a working group would be established to determine Hamburg's future role in Airbus production. After his 30-minute meeting with von Beust, Gallois stressed that the company faced deep cuts as a result of the current crisis, adding that decisions would be made with input from unions, workers and government leaders. He said that no firm decisions had been made about where to make the cuts. "I don't even have any proposals on my desk yet," he said, dismissing reports of thousands of layoffs as "pure speculation."
"No, no, certainly not!"
Meanwhile, back in Paris, Chirac told Merkel he believed that the pain of any possible job cuts at Airbus should be "harmoniously shared" by the French and Germans.
Which means the Germans should take all the cuts and harmoniously share the savings with the French.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/13/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well the mayor has to say the government is going to bail them out, so no surprises there. This is a bit surprising though;

Merkel said the fact that Gallois was visiting the northern German city served as a symbol that the company considers its Hamburg plant to be an important one.

That's not what I'd think - I'd think that the plant is for the chop, especially when;

Many of the current production problems with the prestigious A380 super jumbo project have originated in Hamburg, and there is considerable fear that the plant could feel the brunt of any layoffs.

and

Meanwhile, back in Paris, Chirac told Merkel he believed that the pain of any possible job cuts at Airbus should be "harmoniously shared" by the French and Germans.

means that the necessary cuts are not going to be made on an economic basis, but rather to satisfy some national quotas, which just means that the underlying problem is not going to be sorted out and so we're bound to see more flying turkey pics over the next few months/years.

I'm not an aviation expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm sure Boeing will be watching developments very closely, looking for government prop-ups, which let's face it, are very likely to happen.
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 10/13/2006 0:22 Comments || Top||

#2  This will be real interesting, especially since there is language inserted in the USAF tanker proposal that specifically talks about any sort of governmental subsidy. IIRC, the language was inserted at the request of PRO-Airbus congress-critters in an attempt to show no favoritism toward a domestic product.
Posted by: USN,Ret || 10/13/2006 0:40 Comments || Top||

#3  Oh dear, the biter-bit!
Posted by: Tony (UK) || 10/13/2006 0:48 Comments || Top||

#4  Wouldn't this also wind up in the WTO as unallowed subsidies?

I think you need to add a shotgun aiming at that turkey.
Posted by: AlanC || 10/13/2006 9:25 Comments || Top||

#5  Why don't they take the wings off of the 380's and make them the worlds's biggest busses?
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/13/2006 10:31 Comments || Top||

#6  Boeing is already kicking the crap out of Airbus and laughing all the way to the bank.

Airbus is finished as a big plane company.
Posted by: DarthVader || 10/13/2006 10:50 Comments || Top||

#7  As it was with the Titanic, it's about time for the band to strike up "Nearer My God To Thee".
Posted by: Anonymoose || 10/13/2006 11:23 Comments || Top||

#8  Don't count Airbus out yet. Airbus is supported by France and Germany, who use it for a jobs program. While the $13 billion already spent on the A-380 may sink a commerical company, Airbus does not have to pay the money back unless they make a profit on the A-380.

While Airbus doesn't have the cash flow to develop 787 and next gen 737 competitors, French and German taxpayers do; WTO agreements be damned. The only question is how late the projects will be from the A-380 sucking all the manpower.
Posted by: ed || 10/13/2006 11:35 Comments || Top||

#9  The boys at Boeing may be anal retentive managers and clueless at marketing (i.e. Darleen Druyun), but they are the only company that truly knows how to profitably and reliably build big airplanes. Even Northrop had to import a Boeing management team to get the B-2 build back on track. Given a choice, I try to avoid the lesser breeds of commercial aircraft. Airbus is just another EU welfare scheme.
Posted by: RWV || 10/13/2006 11:42 Comments || Top||

#10  Emirates warns on Airbus delays
Airline Emirates has warned that it may cancel some of its order for 45 giant Airbus A380 planes if there are any further delays to the troubled project.
...
Separately, UK airline Virgin Atlantic said it had sent Airbus a new set of proposals relating to its order for six of the 555-seater A380 superjumbos.


Emirates has 30% of all A-380 orders and just ordered 10 of the new 747-800 freighters. Guess they couldn't wait any longer for the A-380s.
Posted by: ed || 10/13/2006 11:45 Comments || Top||

#11  Airbus isn't finished as a company ed, just as a big plane builder. They still have a good market share for mid to small commercial jets.
Posted by: DarthVader || 10/13/2006 11:55 Comments || Top||

#12  It's the mid size market (777, 787, A-330, A-340) where Airbus is getting absolutely creamed. The small A-320 is doing quite well and is their only profitable line. For example, so far this year Airbus has 226 orders (Boeing 736) but only 36 are wide-bodies (A-330 and above).
Posted by: ed || 10/13/2006 12:11 Comments || Top||

#13  On Boeing's website this morning: Singapore Airlines signed up for several (10 i think) with additional options for 787-9s, and they aren't even going to get them until 2011 timeframe. What does that say about the A350? (It's dead, Jim)
Posted by: USN, ret. || 10/13/2006 14:00 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Secret Service questions teen girl, 14, for 'Kill Bush' MySpace page
Hey, Julia, how do you like this Civics lesson?
The latest Sacramento resident to be questioned by federal agents in possible threats against President Bush is a 14-year-old girl with a heart on her backpack and braces on her teeth, a freckle-nosed adolescent who is passionate about liberal politics and cute movie stars.

Her name is Julia Wilson, and she learned a vivid civics lesson Wednesday when two Secret Service agents pulled her out of biology class at McClatchy High School to ask about comments and images she posted on MySpace.

Beneath the words "Kill Bush," Julia posted a cartoonish photo-collage of a knife stabbing the hand of the president. It was one of a few images Julia said she used to decorate an anti-Bush Web page she moderated on MySpace, the social networking Web site that is hugely popular among teenagers.

The Secret Service refused to answer questions about the case or even confirm an investigation. Eric Zahren, a Secret Service spokesman, said the agency does not discuss its work "due to the sensitivity of our mission."

But Julia's mother, Kirstie Wilson, and an assistant principal at McClatchy High said two agents showed them badges stating they were with the Secret Service and the Department of Homeland Security.

Federal law prohibits making serious threats against the president, and Julia and her parents say what she did was wrong.

The couple are disturbed, however, that federal agents questioned a child at school -- without her parents present. And First Amendment lawyers question whether the Secret Service over-reacted to a 14-year-old's comments on a Web site made for casual socializing.

"I don't condone what she did, but it seems a little over the top to me," said Julia's father, Jim Moose. "You'd think they could look at the situation and determine that she's not a credible threat."

Earlier this month, federal officials arrested two Sacramento-area men for allegedly threatening the president. Elk Grove resident Michael Lee Braun has been charged with sending two threatening letters to the El Dorado Hills country club where Bush recently made an appearance. Rocklin resident Howard J. Kinsey is accused of threatening the president through a text message.

Here is how Julia Wilson's family tells their story:

Two Secret Service agents arrived at their Land Park home about 2:30 Wednesday afternoon, Kirstie Wilson said. They told her they wanted to speak with her daughter about threats to the president that she had posted on MySpace.

"She was in molecular biology, and I said I really didn't want to take her out of class for this," Kirstie Wilson said. "I said I'd make sure she came right home from school."

She asked the agents to come back in an hour, and they left.

Then Wilson sent her daughter a text message instructing her to come straight home from school.

"... there are two men from the secret service that want to talk with you. Apparently you made some death threats against president bush. Dont worry youre not going to jail or anything like that but they take these things very seriously these days," Kirstie Wilson wrote.

"Are you serious!?!? omg. Am I in a lot of trouble"? her daughter replied, using common teenage shorthand for "Oh, my God."

Kirstie Wilson called her husband. While they were on the phone, she received another text message from her daughter: "They took me out of class."

It was a 15- to 20-minute interview, Julia said. Agents asked her about her father's job, her e-mail address, and her Social Security number. They asked about the MySpace page she had created last year as an eighth-grader at Sutter Middle School.

"I told them I just really don't agree with Bush's politics," Julia said Thursday. "I don't have any plans of harming Bush in any way. I'm very peaceful; I just don't like Bush."

The MySpace page under question was a group page, similar to an online club.

Most of the groups Julia is a part of are fan clubs for movie stars like Jake Gyllenhaal and Ewan McGregor. The group that got her in trouble was called something like "People who want to stab Bush" -- Julia said she doesn't remember the exact name because she soon changed it.

After an eighth-grade history lesson in which she learned that threatening the president is against the law, Julia said she changed the group name to "So Bush is an idiot but hey what else is new?"

The group primarily consisted of her teenage friends who share her liberal political interests, Julia said. She deleted the group page over the summer when she decided that MySpace was juvenile and taking up too much time.

Moose and Wilson say they had no idea what their daughter had posted online.

"I was more than happy to have them talk to her about the severity of what she did. But I wanted to be here with her," Kirstie Wilson said.

McClatchy Assistant Principal Paul Belluomini said he usually does not notify parents when law enforcement officials come to school to interview students.

"Parents usually interfere with an investigation, so we usually don't notify them until it's done," he said.

Sacramento City Unified School District policy calls for parents to be notified but doesn't say whether it should happen before or after a student is interviewed. State law doesn't require parental notification.

In any case, said Ann Brick, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union of Northern California, Julia Wilson's post did not sound like a "true threat" to the president, making it political speech that is protected by the First Amendment.

"The courts have to distinguish between political rhetoric and hyperbole and a real threat," Brick said. "A reasonable person would have to interpret what was said as indication of a serious intent to commit harm."

Peter Scheer, executive director of the California First Amendment Coalition, said in the current political climate, "the threshold that brings (agents) in has gotten lower."

"It's a cautionary tale for kids who are on MySpace that putting something on MySpace like 'Kill the President' is not the same as saying it on e-mail or over the phone," Scheer said. "The government is not systematically listening to all phone calls or going through e-mails, but it probably does search the Internet."
Posted by: mcsegeek1 || 10/13/2006 14:57 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Well, at least she wasn't arrested, but I thought secret Service guys had better things to do. Still, I hope she'll understand the civic lesson here, though I really doubt the experience made her love GWB more...
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 10/13/2006 15:19 Comments || Top||

#2  But what are they supposed to do? Ignore it?

And then it turns out that the supposed giggly 14-year old is a bearded 44-year old who used the MySpace site as the hub for an assassination conspiracy?

Besides a threat to kill anyone is a felony.
Posted by: Dreadnought || 10/13/2006 15:30 Comments || Top||

#3  And First Amendment lawyers question whether the Secret Service over-reacted to a 14-year-old's comments on a Web site made for casual socializing.

...And how old were the little bas*ards who have gleefully shot up school after school? IIRC, some were still in elementary school.
The agents did exactly what they were supposed to do. When a 14-year-old discovers she's pissed off the Federal Government - especially for somthing this thoroughly stupid - Mommy and Daddy should NOT be there. She should face the hornet's nest she's stirred up all by her lonesome.

Mik
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 10/13/2006 15:34 Comments || Top||

#4  My crystal ball sees an Ivy League future for Julia. They're probably fighting over her scholarship right now...
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/13/2006 15:49 Comments || Top||

#5  14 yr old in "molecular biology"? I smell Bullshit. She's a pampered little shit, and got a lesson in consequences
Posted by: Frank G || 10/13/2006 16:39 Comments || Top||

#6  If someone set up a "Kill Julia" page I wonder how she'd respond?
Posted by: Bright Pebbles in Blairistan || 10/13/2006 16:39 Comments || Top||

#7  They were verifying that it was HER website and HER images and HER eidting, not her father or an adult using her as a beard.

THAT is why there is no first amendment issue nor any issue about her being questioned without her parents present. A threat was presented, and this wa srequired to see if the trheat was genuine, credible and what the exact source was.


Posted by: Oldspook || 10/13/2006 16:43 Comments || Top||

#8  BTW - miss "thick as a brick" of teh ACLU - the way to determine the threat is harmless is to interview her. The truncheons and electrodes are for serious Bush-haters (you'll soon see...heh heh). They did their job, and your knee jerked correspondingly. All is right in the world, except for little Miss Wilson, an eighth grader with BDS. She's destined to be an underachieving Cat-lady with few friends and a lotta societal angst. Future librarian. Good job by the parents. Bet they voted Kerry-Edwards? $100? Who's taking?
Posted by: Frank G || 10/13/2006 16:48 Comments || Top||

#9  I don't know what they are doing to the kids at McClatchy but how many 8th or 9th graders are into politics? "Moose and Wilson say they had no idea what their daughter had posted online." Idiot parents, I bet she has a computer in her room too.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/13/2006 16:49 Comments || Top||

#10  "I don't condone what she did, but it seems a little over the top to me," said Julia's father, Jim Moose. "You'd think they could look at the situation and determine that she's not a credible threat."

Hey, Dipstick, what's "over the top" is your moron daughter's stoopid behavior. In an age where filmakers see nothing wrong with portraying the assassination of a democratically elected sitting president, this sort of shit has got to be curtailed. The Secret Service were just doing their job and doing it well.
Posted by: Zenster || 10/13/2006 16:58 Comments || Top||

#11  "...and I said I really didn't want to take her out of class for this"

C'mon now...my daughter has a mid-term exam comming up. It's not like it's a federal crime or something...oh what...it is?
Posted by: DepotGuy || 10/13/2006 18:47 Comments || Top||

#12  Book 'er, Danno.
Posted by: Steve McGarrett || 10/13/2006 18:51 Comments || Top||

#13  WTF ever happened to Social Studies and basic citizenship ?

What is wrong with her parents ?
Posted by: J.D. Lux || 10/13/2006 19:18 Comments || Top||

#14  #13: "What is wrong with her parents?"

See comment #6 of this post, J.D.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/13/2006 19:27 Comments || Top||

#15  Yeah well, even Moonbats should have some sense.
And they don't.
And it's driving me crazy.
Someone taught this child that this kind of disrespectful smut amounted to some kind of political speach, and PEACEFUL political speach at that.
It boggles the mind.
Posted by: J.D. Lux || 10/13/2006 19:36 Comments || Top||

#16  hmmm.... I used to spell better.
Posted by: J.D. Lux || 10/13/2006 19:58 Comments || Top||

#17  I'm very peaceful;

A little hard to square this statement with advocating the murder of the President. Or has the meaning of 'peaceful' changed recently?
Posted by: SteveS || 10/13/2006 21:14 Comments || Top||

#18  See also RENSE.com/NETSCAPE > DAVE HERMAN > HOW AND WHY I HELPED BLEW UP THE WTC.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/13/2006 21:19 Comments || Top||

#19  Heck, we were taught in elementary school that you cannot threaten to kill the president in any written form. And I went to a government school!
Posted by: Broadhead6 || 10/13/2006 21:23 Comments || Top||

#20  655,000 lives lost in a war searching for WMD vs 14 yr old girl with a cartoon. By the way, WMD-Weapon of Mass Deception. While I don't know anyone willing I don't know anyone who would mourn either. Many people tried to get rid of Hitler too.
Posted by: Hupolurong Speater5008 || 10/13/2006 21:33 Comments || Top||

#21  #7 Old Spook - you take all the FUN out of it!

Makes sense to me!
Posted by: Bobby || 10/13/2006 21:34 Comments || Top||

#22  It's 6.55 million, you fat capitalist pig!
Posted by: Pravda || 10/13/2006 21:56 Comments || Top||

#23  Moonbat equates Bush with Hitler...film at eleven.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/13/2006 21:57 Comments || Top||

#24  6.55 million? That is not the figures I have. 655,000
Posted by: Moonbat || 10/13/2006 22:09 Comments || Top||

#25  655,000 does not compute.

I am no math wiz but during the summer when things were the hottest, the figure given was 100 Irqis killled per day. Mind you, not killed by American or British Soldiers but by "insurgents" and Terrorists.
The war (such as it is) has been on for lets say 1200 days.
So taking the only figure that has been reportted as a HIGH number and doing the math that would be 120,000 dead and frankly no one believes that either.
The supposed 655,000 is not credible.
Posted by: J.D. Lux || 10/13/2006 22:19 Comments || Top||

#26  Hey moonbat - whats a few zeros here and there between friends right?
Posted by: CrazyFool || 10/13/2006 22:19 Comments || Top||

#27  Counterrevolutionary splittist! The Central Committee, after Scientific Socialist Survey, has determined exactly 6,552,643 Iraqis have been killed in the last 24 hours by bloodthirsty, drug addled, over sexed, over here American female soldiers alone. To question the authority of the Central Committee is to volunteer for Reeducation Camp!
Posted by: Pravda || 10/13/2006 22:22 Comments || Top||

#28  JD - The number in my last post is a link. When my number was questioned I went to look it up and see if I had, in fact, dropped a decimal. Upon further research I found multiple links with that number. Try it. Google "655,000 lives lost in Iraq" and see what you get. Thanks for the input.

Tu3031- Thanks for the name.

Pravda - I'm not fat, but I'll work on that.
Posted by: Moonbat || 10/13/2006 22:26 Comments || Top||

#29  Cheez buddy I know YOU didn't make it up.
I looked at the link:
"Survey suggests violent death rate in Iraq is now running at one every three minutes "

Survey Says: Family Feud Science.
I do not believe thyat the methods used to cinduct this survey were unbiased and I do believe that the saps who conducted it were flat snookered.
Posted by: J.D. Lux || 10/13/2006 22:31 Comments || Top||

#30  Just the fat in your fat western skin would feed a 1000 Courageous Korean Comrades for a week. Your bone marrow alone would make 100 liters of Juche soup for our comrades who are in the peak of health with just a timbleful a day and 1 leaf of kimchi.
Posted by: Pravda || 10/13/2006 22:33 Comments || Top||

#31  "The study, published by The Lancet, was based on a survey of 1,849 households at 47 random locations in Iraq this summer. A team of Iraqi doctors asked heads of households how many members had lost their lives in the year before the invasion in March 2003 and then in the three subsequent years."

Who conducted this survey ?
Who took thhem around dangerous Iraq where it is unsafe to travel freely due to the rampant killing?
Do they speak or read Arabic ?
Can they really tell a death certificate from a report card ?
Where do the Iraqis get these death certificates ?
How do you know that they are telling the truth ?
Maybe the Iraqis thought they were going to be awarded damagge claims and inflated the number .
etc,
Posted by: J.D. Lux || 10/13/2006 22:40 Comments || Top||

#32  Yes I see ... Iraqi Doctors.
Posted by: J.D. Lux || 10/13/2006 22:42 Comments || Top||

#33  The "survey" was done by the same folks who did the 100,000 (95% confidence interval about 200,000) dead Iraqis just before the 2004 elections. They even admitted doing it to influence the US elections, and what do you know, it's election time again. Too bad the Lancet has morphed from a respected medical journal to a propaganda outlet.
Posted by: ed || 10/13/2006 22:45 Comments || Top||

#34  JD - You are correct. I had seen it posted all over the place in several reputable publishers, however, they are all based on the same study. Thanks for correcting me. Still, even 6 lives for a lie is too many.
Posted by: Moonbat || 10/13/2006 22:54 Comments || Top||

#35  Dobry Vecher Comrade Moon!
Even 1 is too many! Learn from your mistakes occupiers of England! 1 death is a tragedy, 52 deaths is a statistic! How many more must die before the occupation of the Cliffs of Dover ends? Learn from example, occupiers of Celtic soil. Anglo-Saxons out of Britain!
Posted by: ed || 10/13/2006 23:18 Comments || Top||

#36  The editor of the Lancet was one of the main speakers at an "anti-war" rally the other day, along with MP George Galloway. He isn't exactly an unbiased scientist, disinterestedly seeking the truth.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/13/2006 23:43 Comments || Top||


Sen. Reid defends million dollar Vegas land deal
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., is denying any wrongdoing in collecting a $1.1 million windfall on a Las Vegas land sale even though he hadn't personally owned the property for three years, property deeds show.

Reid says he hasn't done anything wrong but is willing to change his report on the transaction if the Senate Ethics Committee orders him to.

Reid hung up last week on an A-P reporter asking about the deal. He told a Las Vegas news conference today that everything he did was "transparent," that he "paid all the taxes" and that everything was "fully disclosed."

Aides to the senator say no money changed hands in 2001 when Reid got an ownership stake in a friend's company equal to the value of the land. In the process, Reid did not disclose to Congress an earlier sale in which he transferred his land to a company created by a friend and took a financial stake in that company, according to records and interviews. The Nevada Democrat's deal was engineered by Jay Brown, a longtime friend and former casino lawyer whose name surfaced in a major political bribery trial this summer and in other prior organized crime investigations. He's never been charged with wrongdoing - except for a 1981 federal securities complaint that was settled out of court.

Land deeds obtained by The Associated Press during a review of Reid's business dealings show:
-The deal began in 1998 when Reid bought undeveloped residential property on Las Vegas' booming outskirts for about $400,000. Reid bought one lot outright and a second parcel jointly with Brown. One of the sellers was a developer who was benefiting from a government land swap that Reid supported. The seller never talked to Reid.

-In 2001, Reid sold the land for the same price to a limited liability corporation created by Brown. The senator didn't disclose the sale on his annual public ethics report or tell Congress he had any stake in Brown's company. He continued to report to Congress that he personally owned the land.

-After getting local officials to rezone the property for a shopping center, Brown's company sold the land in 2004 to other developers and Reid took $1.1 million of the proceeds, nearly tripling the senator's investment. Reid reported it to Congress as a personal land sale.
The complex dealings allowed Reid to transfer ownership, legal liability and some tax consequences to Brown's company without public knowledge, but still collect a seven-figure payoff nearly three years later. Reid hung up the phone when questioned about the deal during an AP interview last week.

The senator's aides said no money changed hands in 2001 and that Reid instead got an ownership stake in Brown's company equal to the value of his land. Reid continued to pay taxes on the land and didn't disclose the deal because he considered it a "technical transfer," they said.

They also said they have no documents proving Reid's stake in the company because it was an informal understanding between friends. The 1998 purchase "was a normal business transaction at market prices," Reid spokesman Jim Manley said. "There were several legal steps associated with the investment during those years that did not alter Senator Reid's actual ownership interest in the land."

Senate ethics rules require lawmakers to disclose on their annual ethics report all transactions involving investment properties - regardless of profit or loss - and to report any ownership stake in companies.
Posted by: Fred || 10/13/2006 09:12 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Sounds like aqn up and up land deal to me. I just bought some "over irrigated" property in Florida.
Posted by: Cyber Sarge || 10/13/2006 10:04 Comments || Top||

#2  If Reid had a stake in a partnership from 2001 to 2004, there should have been a K-1 or similar form filed with the IRS showing Reid's stake in the partnership, partnership income and expenses, depreciation, etc.

If these forms don't exist (probably the case), it would presumably be Brown, not Reid who has the greated liability.
Posted by: mhw || 10/13/2006 10:04 Comments || Top||

#3  Reid probably has so many of these bribes masquerading as business deals going on you've got to figure the paperwork would get screwed up on one of them. If the existance of these deals is a revelation to someone, they are too naive to be involved in politics.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 10/13/2006 10:10 Comments || Top||

#4  Reid says he hasn't done anything wrong but is willing to change his report on the transaction if the Senate Ethics Committee orders him to.

Do over! Do over!
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/13/2006 10:33 Comments || Top||

#5  This guy Brown should have stiffed Reid.
No paperwork showing Reid had partial ownership of Brown's company, and no money changed hands for the property. This all smells of tax evasion.
Posted by: wxjames || 10/13/2006 10:54 Comments || Top||

#6  Evita for senate minority leader?
Posted by: anonymous2u || 10/13/2006 11:35 Comments || Top||

#7  it seems appropriate that the Senate Minority Leader should go down on tax evasion - seeing as how the Democrats are the political arm of organized crime.
Posted by: anon || 10/13/2006 12:16 Comments || Top||

#8  This will slide off of Reid like water on teflon.
Posted by: anymouse || 10/13/2006 12:44 Comments || Top||

#9  Harry Reid must resign!
Posted by: TomAnon || 10/13/2006 12:48 Comments || Top||

#10  What did Howard Dean know and when did he know it?
Posted by: Seafarious || 10/13/2006 13:54 Comments || Top||

#11  The republicans should just roll this out like a big drum before every election, beat it loudly, then forget about it till next election. This is a vote killer. Who, among men would vote for a guy who made $1.1 million doing nothing but being democrat ? In time, the democrats would have to remove the cancer among them.

Bang, Bang !

Harry sleeps wid da fishes.
Posted by: wxjames || 10/13/2006 14:35 Comments || Top||

#12  What, this didn't stay in Vegas?
Posted by: xbalanke || 10/13/2006 16:43 Comments || Top||

#13  TomAnon is spot on!
Republicans should immediately begin calling for Reid's resignation. That is the Dem's favorite tactic since the Trent Lott issue some years back.
Call for resignation now, and keep up the pressure until he does or is voted out of office. Two parties can play the "holier than thou" game - get it going!
Posted by: Rob06 || 10/13/2006 17:55 Comments || Top||

#14  Reid's four sons also work in Wash D.C. as ... lobbyists. Lobbying dear ole dad.
Posted by: ed || 10/13/2006 18:00 Comments || Top||

#15  I'm sure he doesn't return their calls on his "offical Senate Minority Leader Telephone™"
Posted by: Frank G || 10/13/2006 18:23 Comments || Top||


Dems Dig Deep for Trunk Dirt
Registration required, so it's all here.
In the wake of the Mark Foley page scandal, Democrats are targeting the personal lives of Republicans in numerous key House races as part of a campaign to capitalize on voter disgust with the messy personal lives and alleged character defects among elected officials.

Although Democrats' internal polling shows that the Foley scandal is resonating deeply only in half a dozen races, party operatives are calculating that GOP candidates are now unusually vulnerable to personal attacks, several candidates and strategists said. In New Jersey, Democratic candidate Linda Stender this week sent voters a two-page brochure accusing Rep. Mike Ferguson (R) of improperly preying on young women in a fashionable D.C. nightclub. Stender, who is shown by polls to be within striking distance of Ferguson, said the Foley affair "opened the door to talk about the ethical challenge of my opponent." Ferguson has denied the allegations, and a spokeswoman last night called the attacks "pathetic and desperate."

Democratic candidate Chris Carney is running an ad accusing Rep. Don Sherwood (R-Pa.) of "repeatedly choking" and "attempting to strangle" a young mistress. Foley and Sherwood share "the arrogance of power," said Carney. "They're willing to cover up these types of things to retain power."
and you're willing to stoop way lower, and in public, to attain such power.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: Bobby || 10/13/2006 06:39 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  So much for all that condemnng "the politics of personal destruction," I guess. Within an election cycle or two, I expect to see attack ads from the Donks attacking opponents for being Christians of observant Jews, so none of this surprises me.

Locally, we've got a Trunk running an attack ad slagging his Dem opponent for some moonbat-grade comments she made after 9/11. Makes a fella feel good to see that, it does.
Posted by: Mike || 10/13/2006 10:42 Comments || Top||

#2  I really am not fond of the Republicans - but I can't help but to think that this time around, the Democrats have overshot their wad. I know the polls say they will win control and I know that some of these races are close, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that they won't get control. You can't cover yourself in shit and expect people to embrace you.
Posted by: anon || 10/13/2006 12:12 Comments || Top||

#3  It's already happening, Mike. I'm thinking of that Virginian (?) gentlemen who was asked not long ago by a television reporter why he was concealing that his mother was Jewish -- which was the first he'd heard of it.
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/13/2006 12:42 Comments || Top||

#4  Senator George Allen. Krauthammer followed with an editorial about how everybody was a little Jewish.
Posted by: Bobby || 10/13/2006 17:17 Comments || Top||

#5  TW - that'd be Allen - who now leads Webb by 4-7%. Backlash happens. Teddy gonna stand by you on stage, Donks? They're saturating the airwaves with sleaze and innuendo, I think it damages the polity in general, but will taint the Donks further by their shrillness
Posted by: Frank G || 10/13/2006 17:29 Comments || Top||

#6  damn Bobby - I need to refresh more often
Posted by: Frank G || 10/13/2006 17:33 Comments || Top||

#7  I wish I'd make the headline -
Dems Dig Deep for Trunk Trash

Alliteration, ya know.
Posted by: Bobby || 10/13/2006 17:59 Comments || Top||

#8  DRUDGEREPORT.com > LAS VEGAS SUN > BILL CLINTON = USA in lot of trouble due to GOP. DEMOCRATS ARE NOW THE LIBERAL AND CONSERVATIVE PARTY OF AMERICA.
Basic Message - iff Americans = Amerikans want Universal/National Governmentism, Super-Welfarism + SOcialism, + International-Geopol ISOLATIONISM-RETREATISM, AND WHILE PRETENDING YOU'RE NOT FOR THESE THINGYS, VOTE FOR THE DEMS. aka PC/PDeniable ISOLATIONIST COMMUNISM-OWG AT HOME, ANTI-SOVEREIGNTY + INTENSIFIED $$$ PAYOUT OVERSEAS. It was ROSWELLIAN SPACE ALIENS THAT INVADED AFGHANISTAN, D *** NG IT, NOT THE COMMIES.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/13/2006 22:25 Comments || Top||

#9  Thank you, Bobby and Frank G. It's important to always keep one's backup memory stored separately, someplace safe. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 10/13/2006 23:48 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
US gives assurances on Indian nuclear deal
NEW DELHI - A top US official has given assurances that the United States wants to go ahead with a key civilian nuclear deal with India, easing fears for the agreement raised by North Korea’s atomic test.

US Under Secretary of State Nicholas Burns said in an interview broadcast Thursday that Washington was “determined” to implement the deal. “We are determined to fulfil the commitments we made to the Indian government,” Burns told NDTV.

Burns said he had been in touch with Indian officials to “assure that the US wants to go forward on all of the definite initiatives that President (George) Bush and Prime Minister (Manmohan) Singh talked in March.”

The US Congress gave its thumbs-up to the deal in July but a vote has been delayed in the Republican-controlled Senate that will shortly hold polls to elect new members.

North Korea’s announcement earlier this week that it had conducted a nuclear test had however given rise to doubts about whether US lawmakers opposed to the deal would allow it to go through.

Burns however said Congressmen and Senators were aware of the ”world of difference between India and North Korea.” “India is a peaceful, democratic, law-abiding leader of the international community. North Korea is the reverse of all that,” he told NDTV. “There is great trust that the commitments the Indian government has made to us will be fulfilled and we are very confident that the India deal will be approved by a substantial margin, at least we hope it will.

“We have been encouraged by the great number of senators, Democrats and Republicans, who have come out to support the agreement,” Burns added.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/13/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:


International-UN-NGOs
OPEC wavers on production cuts
The real news is buried -- non-OPEC oil production is increasing even as OPEC tries to take oil off the market. And OPEC members are already below quota, so the quota cuts have to be deep to have an effect. Couple that with a decline in market demand and it looks like prices will continue to fall.
Ottawa — Amid new signs of weakening demand, OPEC ministers Wednesday were unable to agree on production cuts aimed at propping up prices — and the delay is damaging the cartel's credibility.

Several ministers from the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries have spoken of an informal agreement to cut 1 million barrels per day of production, though analysts Wednesday were unsure whether the reduction would come from actual production or the official OPEC quota, which is higher.

Adding to the uncertainty was the silence from Saudi Arabia, the critical swing producer that has spent billions of dollars to boost production capacity and is being lobbied heavily by the U.S. administration to keep the taps open. “There is only one country that really counts and that country has not spoken yet, and that's the Saudis,” energy analyst Paul Ting said Wednesday.

Mr. Ting said several OPEC countries are producing well below their quotas. The group's quota exceeds output by a range of 360,000 to 500,000 barrels a day, according to different estimates. As a result, any agreement would have to reduce production from September levels, rather than from the current quota, to have a significant impact.

Crude prices Wednesday continued to fall from the record heights of this summer. The near-month futures price for West Texas Intermediate crude was down 93 cents to $57.59 (U.S.) a barrel on the New York Stock Exchange, the lowest close since last December.

The International Energy Agency — which advises major consuming countries — Wednesday trimmed its forecast of demand growth for 2007 by nearly 8 per cent, to 1.44 million barrels per day, citing an economic slowdown in the United States.

Meanwhile, the Saudis have told customers in Europe and Asia that they should expect the same level of supplies in November. “I don't think the market believes that OPEC is going to get a full one million barrels,” Bart Melek, senior economist with BMO Nesbitt Burns Inc., said.

Mr. Melek said that even such a reduction from current levels would not rebalance the market over the next couple of quarters. While demand growth is slowing, several non-OPEC producers are expected to boost their own production, notably Angola, Russia and Canada. Non-OPEC production is expected to average 52.7 million barrels per day next year, up from 51 million in 2006.

David Kirsch, an analyst with PFC Energy in Washington, D.C., said Saudi Arabia is deliberately allowing other OPEC members to take the lead on the production agreement, in order to reduce political pressure on the kingdom from the United States.
Posted by: Steve White || 10/13/2006 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Right now, all the oil stored in super tankers all over the world by futures traders is being rapidly dumped. The other factor is slowing demand growth. For instance, Chinese demand will grow 500,000 B/day this year vs. 1 million B/day last year.
Posted by: ed || 10/13/2006 0:57 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Air America is officially broke! - Chpt 11
Air America Radio, a liberal talk and news radio network, has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, a network official told the AP.
File on Friday, ends up in the Saturday business news which no one reads.
The network had denied rumors just a month ago that it would file for bankruptcy, but on Friday Air America said negotiations with a creditor from the company's early days had broken down.

The network will stay on the air while it resolves issues with its creditors, spokeswoman Jaime Horn told the Associated Press. A formal announcement was expected to be made later Friday.
So long, fair well and good fucking riddance!
Posted by: DarthVader || 10/13/2006 10:42 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Some limousine leftist will pony up the cash. Then Al "I was funny once" Franken and Janeane "So much for my career" Garofalo will get back on the air and say that it proves that the little people support progressive radio.
Posted by: Jonathan || 10/13/2006 11:34 Comments || Top||

#2 
Chapter 7 is good riddance. Chapter 11 is theft.
Posted by: Master of Obvious || 10/13/2006 11:35 Comments || Top||

#3  this is just one big fleece of cash. They fleeced their investors, they fleeced the widows and orphans and now they are fleecing their creditors.

I'm sure that the primary players did a good job of stuffing their own pockets before this con job went under. Looks like the morally bankrupt liberal left has no problem eating their own to keep fat.
Posted by: anon || 10/13/2006 12:05 Comments || Top||

#4  Once I fleeced a Boys Club
Ran it down
Ran it down to the ground
Once I fleeced a Boys Club
Now it's done
Brother can you spare a dime
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/13/2006 12:10 Comments || Top||

#5  Remember this guy from the other day? Wonder if he's heard the sad news?

"Progressive Talk has grown so big, so fast, that all of us in the industry are searching high and low for more great Progressive Talk radio talent," Media Syndication Services President Paul "Woody" Woodhull says. "Great talkers like Ed Schultz, Bill Press, and Al Franken are hard to find."

Yep. Movin so fast, the wheels fell off.
Posted by: tu3031 || 10/13/2006 12:15 Comments || Top||

#6  Great talkers like Ed Schultz, Bill Press, and Al Franken are hard to find."

Yes, because it's hard to find someone who so willingly enjoys conning widows, orphans and fools.

Looks like they are cooking up their next batch of snake oil. They may not get any listeners, but they do get cash from gullible liberals who Believe(TM)

These guys are just like those Christian Hucksters on TV. They've got nothing to do what was once known as Liberalism, it's just an easy gig to get naive people to send cash.
Posted by: anon || 10/13/2006 12:35 Comments || Top||

#7  The big problem in any bankruptcy proceeding is going to be the claim of that NYC Boys & Girls Club for repayment of the money transferred to Err America. That Boys & Girls Club debt might very well be non-dischargeable in bankruptcy (because it arises from fraud or other intentional wrongdoing), and it might also be entitled to priority over general unsecured creditors (same reasons). I don't do much bankruptcy any more, so I'm not 100% sure on either point, but I suspect that's where all the arguing is going to be. If the debt's nondischargeable, that'll probably kill any hope of a reorganization and kick it into Ch. 7 liquidation. At the very least, expect the creditors to move for appointment of an independent trustee rather than letting AA manage itself as a "debtor in possession."

Also, if they started shorting the IRS on paying in withheld "trust fund" taxes--a real common failing in a failing business--the corporation's "responsible officer" who's supposed to have written the check is personally liable for double the amount not paid.
Posted by: Mike || 10/13/2006 12:42 Comments || Top||

#8  Jonah Goldberg @ National Review:

Just one brief thought about the demise of Air America. For several years now, the venture's boosters have insisted there is nothing wrong with the idea of Air America. Their problems all stemmed from obscure details of one kind or another. I have no doubt that all sorts of non-ideological mistakes were made. But the one important point is that if their programming were legitimately popular those mistakes wouldn't have mattered. All sorts of successful entrepreneurial ventures make countless mistakes getting up and running. But because their products are popular those mistakes don't really matter. If very large numbers of people wanted to listen to Air America, Air America wouldn't be bankrupt. Money would have rolled in and this keystone cops stuff would have remained invisible. But despite the best efforts of very serious Progressive types and ample up front investment and enormous free publicity and goodwill from the mainstream media, the thing still bombed. Air America was launched on the assumption that "if you build it, they will come." They didn't. And that's the moral of the story few on the left will ever admit or call attention to.

I am sure that I will get emailed all sorts of articles and blog posts pointing to the great numbers Air America had in Muncie or Austin. That's all nice and fine. But the thing died because the thing was doomed from the start. Deal with it.
Posted by: Mike || 10/13/2006 13:35 Comments || Top||

#9  Air who?
Posted by: BrerRabbit || 10/13/2006 15:26 Comments || Top||

#10  #7: "Also, if they started shorting the IRS on paying in withheld "trust fund" taxes--a real common failing in a failing business--the corporation's "responsible officer" who's supposed to have written the check is personally liable for double the amount not paid."

That just gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling, Mike. :-D
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 10/13/2006 15:47 Comments || Top||

#11  Steve - 5 red-alert links and a big photo of Franken on Drudge = can't be totally ignored by the MSM. Smart timing, though. Even Rush wouldn't pile on...not worth it. Amateurs
Posted by: Frank G || 10/13/2006 16:42 Comments || Top||

#12  We laughed...we cried...ahhh...all the precious memories.
Posted by: DepotGuy || 10/13/2006 18:52 Comments || Top||

#13  Oh dear. Now the Left has only the broadcast networks, Public Radio/TV, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, Viacom's cable networks, Time-Warner's cable networks, the NYT, the WaPo, the LAT, 80-90 lesser daily newspapers, Time, Newsweek, Slate, 50 lesser magazines, Associated Press, Reuters, Hollywood...
Posted by: Pappy || 10/13/2006 20:04 Comments || Top||

#14  I disagree w/Jonah. AA failed because unlike loony lib news paper columnists who can make stupid statements and still not be called to account because they have the rest of what's in the paper to pull up the slack. Lib radio personalities have to deal w/listeners in real time who can actually call them on their bullshit w/logic and facts. In the face of accurate information and logic most libs run like the French Army.
Posted by: Broadhead6 || 10/13/2006 21:34 Comments || Top||

#15  Maybe George Soros will bail them out, though even he must know that this is a dead turkey flopping around and is not worth any more cash infusions.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 10/13/2006 21:54 Comments || Top||

#16  Don't celebrate yet > FOX = AIR AMERICA will keep on operating for the time being as it formalizes its bankruptcy schedule. IOW, wait/bide time until POTUS=COPOTUS HILLARY + DEMS CONTROL WASHINGTON after 2008.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 10/13/2006 22:28 Comments || Top||



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