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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Today in History: National Airborne Day
Posted by: Mike || 08/16/2007 10:56 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Happy National Vertical Envelopment Day!
Posted by: mrp || 08/16/2007 11:51 Comments || Top||

#2  This designation was not that easy to get through congress. Thanks to all those responsable and a job well done to my fellow airborne troopers in the 3d. bgd. 82nd. Hue Vietnam.
Posted by: Heriberto Ulusomble6667 || 08/16/2007 12:17 Comments || Top||

#3  3d. bgd. 82nd.

Still serving proudly Heirberto, at a Forward Operations Base (FOB) in Iraq. AIRBORNE!
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/16/2007 13:33 Comments || Top||


-Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Today in History : The King is Dead, Long Live the King!
Everywhere you go at Graceland, there is the glow of candlelight, as Elvis Presley fans mark 30 years since the singer died. Some 75,000 people have taken over Elvis Presley Boulevard, which is a six-lane highway, waiting to enter Graceland and file past the late star's grave.

It's an amazing sight. People are camping out on the boulevard. They've got their picnic hampers, tables and chairs, bottles of beer, and a lot of them have bought their own home-made pictures of Elvis, as well as floral tributes. And they've brought little tea lights, spelling out "Elvis". It's the glow of candlelight which is the most special thing. It's very surreal to see this busy boulevard taken over by so many Elvis fans.

There is a really happy atmosphere. People know they're going to have to queue for hours, but nobody seems to be bothered. They are hanging out with other Elvis fans and having a good time, while his music plays all the time in the background.

Everywhere you turn there are Elvis impersonators, in their jumpsuits and sporting sideburns. Other fans are stopping and asking to have their photographs taken with them - "Mr Elvis, can I have my photo taken with you?"

The first fans went through the gates at about 2030 local time (0230 BST) and it will take until 0500 or 0600 (1100 or 1200 BST) for all the fans to go through - they say everyone who turns up will get the chance to look at the burial site. The fans move along in single file, all holding a candle - it's the only time fans are allowed to walk up to the Graceland mansion. If you go on a tour, they bring you up on a shuttle bus.

The opening ceremony was cut short as it is the middle of a massive heatwave and the organisers were concerned about people queuing.

Some of the fans have been many times before - seasoned pros who have come every year for 10 or 15 years. For many it's the first time. One British fan I spoke to is only 29, so wasn't even born when Elvis died.

I asked him why he became a fan, and he said he heard Elvis on the radio one day and it completely grabbed his heart, so he started listening to his music and became hooked. He's not a stereotypical "anorak" - he's a successful guy who runs his own business. But he just loves Elvis. He's had a fantastic time. He got very emotional on the tour of Graceland, feeling the presence of Elvis in every single room.

There is a huge British contingent, there must be five or six companies bringing coach loads here. The Brits must be the biggest contingent by far. I think that's always been the case, they've always been among the most fanatical fans.
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 08/16/2007 12:30 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Uhuh. Yeah, yeah!
Posted by: Fred || 08/16/2007 12:49 Comments || Top||

#2  Y'all have been snookered.

Elvis isn't dead. In a small town cafe there's a short order cook who hums as he works ....

I recommend the banana and peanut butter sandwiches.
Posted by: lotp || 08/16/2007 12:51 Comments || Top||

#3  Now there's a picture I'd be proud to hang over my fireplace! Can I get it in black velvet?
Actually, I've got the one of him and Nixon shaking hands in the Oval Office. Refrigerator magnet. Got it in, no shit, Vegas...
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/16/2007 12:57 Comments || Top||

#4  Where else? LOL
Posted by: lotp || 08/16/2007 13:03 Comments || Top||

#5  Actually, I've got the one of him and Nixon shaking hands in the Oval Office.

Got that one hanging right behind me, lol...
Posted by: Raj || 08/16/2007 19:40 Comments || Top||


Newly discovered Gore Stream underwater current may hold a key to climate .
SYDNEY: Australian scientists have discovered a giant underwater current that is one of the last missing links of a system that connects the world's oceans and helps govern global climate.

New research shows that a current sweeping past Australia 's southern island of Tasmania toward the South Atlantic is a previously undetected part of the world climate system's engine-room, said scientist Ken Ridgway. The Southern Ocean, which swirls around Antarctica , has been identified in recent years as the main lung of global climate, absorbing a third of all carbon dioxide taken in by the world's oceans.

Referring to deep ocean pathway currents, Ridgway, of the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization, said: "We knew that they could move from the Pacific to the Indian Ocean through Indonesia . Now we can see that they move south of Tasmania as well, another important link."

In each ocean, water flows around counterclockwise pathways, or gyres, the size of ocean basins. The newly discovered Tasman Outflow, which sweeps past Tasmania at an average depth of 800 to 1,000 meters, or 2,600 to 3,300 feet, is classed as a "supergyre" that links the Southern Hemisphere ocean basins of the Indian, Pacific and Atlantic , the government-backed CSIRO said in a statement on Wednesday.

The CSIRO team analyzed thousands of temperature and salinity data samples collected between 1950 and 2002 by research ships, robotic ocean monitors and satellites just north of the Antarctic Circle and the Equator. "They identified linkages between these gyres to form a global-scale 'supergyre' that transfers water to all three ocean basins," CSIRO said.

Ridgway and his co-author, Jeff Dunn, said identification of the supergyre improves the ability of researchers to explain more accurately how the ocean governs global climate. "Recognizing the scales and patterns of these subsurface water masses means they can be incorporated into the powerful models used by scientists to project how climate may change," Ridgway said in a statement.

The best known of the global ocean currents is the North Atlantic loop of the Great Ocean Conveyer, which brings warm water from the Equator to waters off northern Europe , ensuring relatively mild weather there. Scientists say if the conveyor collapsed, northern Europe would be plunged into an ice age.

Earlier this year, another CSIRO scientist said global warming was already having an impact on the vast Southern Ocean, posing a threat to ocean currents that distribute heat around the world. Melting ice sheets and glaciers in Antarctica are releasing fresh water, interfering with the formation of dense "bottom water," which sinks to the ocean floor and helps drive the world's ocean circulation system.

A slowdown in the system known as "overturning circulation" would affect the way the ocean, which absorbs 85 percent of atmospheric heat, carries heat around the globe, Steve Rintoul, a senior scientist at CSIRO, said in March.
Posted by: Besoeker || 08/16/2007 02:18 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  "Melting ice sheets and glaciers in Antarctica are releasing fresh water,"

BOGUS! Antarctica is GAINING ice, not losing it. Sure, some of the ice shelves have broken up a bit, but they always do once they extend out too far into open water. They break off and it starts again. Overall, Antarctica and Greenland are gaining ice thickness, not losing it.
Posted by: crosspatch || 08/16/2007 4:08 Comments || Top||

#2  Darn. I was hoping to see what was under the Antarctic ice in my lifetime.
Posted by: eLarson || 08/16/2007 7:24 Comments || Top||

#3  Ah, Crosspatch, but what happens when the icebergs drift farther north? They melt. So the article is completely correct. [wag]
Posted by: Gary and the Samoyeds || 08/16/2007 9:01 Comments || Top||

#4  Gary, your Samoyed friends have mislead you. Everyone knows it is impossible for fire to melt steel.
Posted by: Excalibur || 08/16/2007 9:40 Comments || Top||

#5  Google IT!
Posted by: Fat Rosie || 08/16/2007 10:00 Comments || Top||

#6  So...
Is this adding to global warming, or is it gonna be ignored by AlGoracle?
Posted by: DarthVader || 08/16/2007 10:26 Comments || Top||

#7  Don't be silly, DarthVader. By the very act of acquiring the information and printing it in a paper newspaper (we won't even mention the cost of maintaining a web page), this contributes to the increase of all sorts of dreadful things that harm the delicate Gaia who shelters us all. ;-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/16/2007 10:33 Comments || Top||

#8  I think Congress needs to pass legislation taxing regulating this underwater current.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/16/2007 10:43 Comments || Top||

#9  Have you folks ever seen an Eskimo pee?
Posted by: Red Dawg || 08/16/2007 22:42 Comments || Top||

#10  Have you folks ever seen an Eskimo take a piss?
Posted by: Red Dawg || 08/16/2007 22:51 Comments || Top||

#11  OTOH, SPACE WAR > SPACE DAILY > IRRIGATION MAY NOT COOL THE GLOBE. No matter how good, widespread, or perfect the system. Time to force the SUN to surrender to the OWG Nuremburg Global Environ Court by sending a Sun/Star-destroying missle up its disc [Star Trek:Next Generation movie]??? All together now, SAVE THE EARTH/PLANET - DESTROY THE SUN, D *** NG IT!
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/16/2007 22:54 Comments || Top||

#12  What's the difference, Red Dawg? ;-)
Posted by: twobyfour || 08/16/2007 22:54 Comments || Top||

#13  2x4

At a party, you impress the goils by standing straight up but slightly turned away from the group.. next "un-zip"... then with your right hand in the proper position down at your fly, flip out about 1/2 dozen ice cubes on the floor!

~:-)
Posted by: Red Dawg || 08/16/2007 23:49 Comments || Top||

#14  it's an old one 2x4!
Posted by: Red Dawg || 08/16/2007 23:53 Comments || Top||


Magnitude 7.5 - NEAR THE COAST OF CENTRAL PERU
Posted by: Fred || 08/16/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Slight tremorin' in the dark AM here on Guam. *Iff and when another massive + intensifying purple Stellar Explosion occurs, on another dark, wet, future day on [Northern]Guam wid ground fog so bad one can barely see their neighbors or trees, on that day Gabriel's Sword will be unsheathed to strike agz the Earth. NO MORE APOCALYPSE LITE FOR ANYONE.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/16/2007 0:38 Comments || Top||

#2  Gabriel's Sword = Venus. Not likely at this time. But watch the small Jupiter's spot (eye). If it blinks like the Big Red one about 3600 y ago, then we may live (or not live) through "very interesting" times (so far, we do live in just "interesting" times).
Posted by: twobyfour || 08/16/2007 1:48 Comments || Top||

#3  Two more 7.5 or over quakes reported. C2CAM > STrange light streaks photo'ed over Amkara, Turkey. Believed not linked to Perseids, but Alpha Urseids. *All together now, wid feeling, "D *** nged CARS PLUS Commercials"!
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/16/2007 2:43 Comments || Top||

#4  Panama was under a Tsunami watch earlier tonight. Balboa Avenue, overlooking the Pacific, is shut down, and all bus travel is halted. It's 3:45am now, and the weather is perfect.
Posted by: Destro in Panama || 08/16/2007 4:46 Comments || Top||

#5  At least 330 killed in Peru.
Posted by: Destro in Panama || 08/16/2007 4:51 Comments || Top||

#6  http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070815.html

....streaks photo Joe was referring to.
Posted by: BrerRabbit || 08/16/2007 6:09 Comments || Top||

#7  Hey, Halliburton. Venezuela is over that way.
Posted by: Gary and the Samoyeds || 08/16/2007 9:02 Comments || Top||

#8  The UN to the rescue!

Buy ***** hotel futures in peru.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 08/16/2007 9:05 Comments || Top||

#9  Gary and the Samoyeds, it was a warning to Peru not to go in the same direction as Venezuela. When Chavez first entered the scene, Halliburton ED did not have a prototype yet and at the last election, their device enountered a strange interferrence based on... they say peanuts was it, whatever that means.

As for Chavez, it has been probably decided to let Venezuelans stew with their choice for a bit, hoping that they would see the light soon (a decade or less). Unless Hugo pulls something real stupid, he is relatively safe for time being, but eventually, he'll end up like Ceausescu--as is written in book of destinies.
Posted by: twobyfour || 08/16/2007 21:24 Comments || Top||


Bangla flood death toll nears 500
Posted by: Fred || 08/16/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:


Africa North
Suha Arafat withdraws millions of dollars of investment from Tunisia

SO LONG, SUCKERS!
Bethlehem- Ma'an- Suha Arafat, widow of former Palestinian president, Yasser Arafat, withdrew millions of US dollars worth of investment from Tunisia before she her Tunisian citizenship was revoked, according to international news agencies.
HAHAHAHAHA!!!SCREW YOU!!! BASTARDS!!!
Mohammed Buadli, director of the Qirtaj International School, said that he was asked by the Tunisian authorities to close the institute. He also received a fax from Suha Arafat informing him that she had abandoned the idea of opening the international school which was to open next month.
I'M OPENING A TWINKIE FACTORY ON MALTA INSTEAD, YOU UNGRATEFUL PIGS!!!
He added that she had informed him in the fax that she had not had anything to do with the closure of the Lewis Pasteur Institute, also run by Mohammed Buadli. Buadli had accused Suha Arafat and her business partner, Asmaa Mahjoub, who is said to have close ties with the Tunisian president Zine El Abidine Ben Ali's family, of being behind the closure of the Institute.
I WANT HIM KILLED! BESMIRCHING THE REPUTATION OF THE WIDOW OF THE DISEASED LION OF PALESTINE! I'LL SCRATCH HIS EYES OUT MYSELF!!!
News agencies have reported that Suha Arafat's investments in Tunisia were estimated to have been about 40 million US dollars.
HA!!! CHUMP CHANGE! THAT'S MY PASTRY MONEY FOR THE MONTH!
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/16/2007 09:30 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That gown really suits Miss Piggy's complexion and figure. A pity she's still a pig.

Nice in-lines, tu3031. :-)
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/16/2007 10:08 Comments || Top||

#2  I still remember Suha standing on Yasser's oxygen tubes in Mal de Mer until he gave up the secret lockbox codes...
Posted by: Seafarious || 08/16/2007 15:06 Comments || Top||

#3  Some people make following the money waaaaaay too easy.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/16/2007 22:33 Comments || Top||


Top U.S. official to go to Libya to cement ties
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The State Department's point man on Libya will visit there next week to cement closer ties with Tripoli and plan a visit by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, a senior U.S. official said on Wednesday.

Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs David Welch is due in Tripoli midweek on his first visit there since the case of the jailed Bulgarian and Palestinian medics was resolved last month. "We wanted an interval to pass after the Bulgarian medics' case so that we could have a good conversation with the Libyan leadership," said a senior U.S. official of Welch's visit. "We want to consult with them about all matters of regional concern and of course discuss how to move forward with our bilateral relationship," added the official, who asked not to be named.

Another goal was to lay the groundwork for a visit to Libya, likely before the end of this year, by Rice, said the official. Such a visit would be a tangible sign of the improved relationship. "We have a very important chance to memorialize the shift in the relationship," said the official of a visit by Rice. "We have not set a date for it but the goal would be for that to happen this year."

Relations between the United States and Libya, a major oil producer, have improved dramatically since Tripoli gave up weapons of mass destruction in 2003. But the case of the Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor, who were jailed on charges of infecting Libyan children with HIV, had soured the relationship. With their release last month after payment of a ransom an eight-year ordeal, the United States said this cleared the way for much closer relations with Libya.

Closer defense cooperation is not expected to be on Welch's agenda, which is likely to look at business, cultural and education ties as well as improved visa policies between the two nations. Sudan's Darfur region will also be on the agenda. He is expected to raise other more thorny problems with the former foe, including final compensation for victims of the Pan Am 103 bombing over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988, as well as a 1986 attack on a disco in West Berlin that was used by U.S. servicemen.
Good, I was hoping we hadn't forgotten those incidents.
The U.S. Congress has been holding up funding for U.S. diplomatic activities in Libya because of the compensation dispute and the Senate confirmation process of the first U.S. ambassador to Libya in decades is expected to be tough.
You'd think the Dhimmis would wet themselves in their haste to confirm an ambassador to Libya -- oh wait, this was a Bush administration success.
Posted by: Steve White || 08/16/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Colonel Popinjay would look good in a cement tie, methinks.
Posted by: Seafarious || 08/16/2007 0:08 Comments || Top||

#2  One ounce of nostalgia of fervor from that man will wreck that place forever. We did not make a Marine corps to be out designed by an insolent sycophant.

He better come along quickly because if he does not, GOD Almighty has a "backup plan"(TM)
Posted by: newc || 08/16/2007 0:59 Comments || Top||

#3  Cement ties? How about cement shoes for Muamar?
Posted by: twobyfour || 08/16/2007 1:08 Comments || Top||

#4  One cannot help wondering---how much cement will it take to, ahem, reform USDS?
Posted by: gromgoru || 08/16/2007 8:53 Comments || Top||

#5  You'd also have to go after the universities that supply them with their...er, raw material...
Posted by: Pappy || 08/16/2007 10:02 Comments || Top||

#6  For a idscussion on cement ties:
http://www.trains.com/TRC/CS/forums/1150684/ShowPost.aspx
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 08/16/2007 17:36 Comments || Top||

#7  The universities have their own debts to settle (e.g. collegiality)
Posted by: gromgoru || 08/16/2007 18:33 Comments || Top||


Africa Subsaharan
3 generals killed as Operation 1940 fails to remove Mugabe
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 08/16/2007 12:27 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Yes, Bob was nice enough to mention them in one of his speeches. 2 days ago actually...

FULL text of address made by President Mugabe on the occasion of National Heroes Day, at the National Heroes Acre yesterday

The last two months have been very sad indeed for us as we bade farewell to three illustrious sons, namely Brigadier-General Armstrong Paul Gunda who lost his life in a tragic rail-road accident, and then Retired Major- General Rodelio Taurai Gideon Lifa and Brigadier-General Fakazi Mleya due to illness. We also, over the year, lost many other heroes buried as liberation heroes in our provinces. Once more, I reach out to the families they left behind and urge them to cherish the exemplary legacy of perseverance, honesty and patriotism shown by their loved ones.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200708140032.html
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/16/2007 12:51 Comments || Top||

#2  We also, over the year, lost many other heroes buried as liberation heroes in our provinces.

Some "hero" desperately needs to "liberate" Mugabe.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/16/2007 13:59 Comments || Top||


Bangladesh
Tarique Rahman not owner of daily Dinkal
Contradicting media reports, the lawyer for detained BNP Senior Joint Secretary General Tarique Rahman yesterday claimed that his client is not the owner of Daily Dinkal, but the printer and publisher. "I want to state that Tarique Rahman is not the owner of Dinkal as it appeared in the media," Tarique's lawyer Advocate Ahmed Aazam Khan said at a press briefing at his chamber.
He forgot he was the owner, then he forgot he had his money in it, then he forgot where he was, then he forgot his name ...
The briefing was organised to clarify the media report that Tarique is facing a case for concealing information in the wealth statement about owning Daily Dinkal. It was also reported in a section of press that Tarique has wealth worth Tk 58 lakh beyond his known sources of income.
Posted by: Fred || 08/16/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Mahmudur Rahman, wife barred from going abroad
Former energy adviser Mahmudur Rahman and his wife were barred from boarding a flight to Singapore on Monday night. Mahmudur and his wife were attempting to board a Singapore Airlines flight scheduled to fly at 11:50pm, but the couple were stopped on request from the joint forces, airport sources said.
Posted by: Fred || 08/16/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Minu ran business in other's name
Rajshahi Mayor Mizanur Rahman Minu invested Tk 1.80 crore in cold storage and seed storage business in the name of another businessman to cover his illegal income, said arrested former president of Rajshahi Chamber and Commerce and Industries (RCCI) Lutfar Rahman in a judicial confession.
Sounds like he'd make a good Chicago alderman ...
Lutfar, a close aide of Minu, provided his confessional statement under Section 164 before First Class Magistrate Jonendranath Sarker on Tuesday on completion of two-day interrogation by an anti-corruption taskforce team. He was taken on a two-day remand after businessman Nurunnabi on August 6 filed two cases against him with Boalia Police Station for extorting Tk 1.30 crore.
Posted by: Fred || 08/16/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Wife of Shajahan Siraj's son jailed for 6 years
A special court for dealing graft cases yesterday sentenced Farzana Khan, daughter-in-law of former BNP minister Shajahan Siraj, to six years' imprisonment for committing two offences including evasion of taxes.

Meanwhile, a Dhaka court yesterday ordered attachment of all moveable and immovable property of Isratunnesa, wife of detained Awami League (AL) Joint General Secretary Obaidul Quader in a tax evasion case.

In the meantime, a Chittagong court yesterday acquitted CCC Mayor ABM Mohiuddin Chowdhury and three others of charges in a graft case, reports UNB.
Posted by: Fred || 08/16/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:


Europe
Turkish imams call for overtime pay
Turkey's tired imams should be given overtime pay to compensate for 18-hour days leading the nation's Muslims in prayer, an imams' union leader said Wednesday.

Some 70,000 government-paid preachers rise at 4am to begin the daily call to prayer and do not finish until midnight, said Huseyin Demirci, head of Diva-Sen, one of the smaller clerics' unions representing some 2,000 imams. Turkish civil servants are paid overtime for exceeding a normal 40-hour five-day week but imams, also government workers, are excluded, Demirci said. "Imams are tied to their mosques from early morning until midnight and on national holidays. We want the overtime money we deserve for our extra effort," said Demirci, a former preacher.
Posted by: Fred || 08/16/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Whatever, guys.
If your bass ackwards religion that you howl at the moon five times a day, that's your problem.
Of course, you could just automate that sh*t. I'm sure that Ray Kurzweil or some similarly gifted WESTERNER could come up with a howl-o-matic™ braying generator for you. Some division of Haliburton would probably manufacture it.
Posted by: Free Radical || 08/16/2007 14:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Bark at the moon, ya futhermuckers!
Posted by: Ozzy Osbourne || 08/16/2007 15:17 Comments || Top||

#3  Think The Prophet got OT, ya ungrateful bastids!
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/16/2007 15:21 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
With a GOP Chairman Like This, Who Needs Democrats?
Posted by: charger || 08/16/2007 13:41 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Mel, my solution would be to fire your dumb butt.
How's that for for starters?
Posted by: Phinater Thraviger || 08/16/2007 15:01 Comments || Top||

#2  Mr. Martinez's criticism of the two men was a stinging shot from the head of their party.
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/16/2007 15:06 Comments || Top||

#3  Ooops, hit submit instead of preview...

Actually, Rudy and Mitt probably wanna kiss him on the mouth for separating them from his dimwit views...
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/16/2007 15:10 Comments || Top||

#4  ya know, with the exception of the war, Bush really IS dumb. Immigration, this guy, Harriet Miers... man, tell me he isn't a closet Democrat.....
Posted by: Slavimp Panda2703 || 08/16/2007 18:08 Comments || Top||

#5  Phinater Thraviger
follow the money...
and look at his biz partners
Posted by: 3dc || 08/16/2007 18:46 Comments || Top||

#6  voters "have a sense that their government at all levels is failing them so deeply that the most basic level of civilization is at risk, which is your physical safety."

When will our ballots have a "none of the above" box to check?
Posted by: Zenster || 08/16/2007 22:07 Comments || Top||

#7  The Carlyle group 3dc? Don't see dingleberry Mel's name in the report, but since it's Wikipedia, and the last entry on the page is only August 11, 2007, maybe it will show up tomorrow?
Posted by: Phinater Thraviger || 08/16/2007 22:58 Comments || Top||


Democrats gain among US voters, but support is soft
Half lean toward or identify themselves as Democrats, while 35 percent say they are Republicans, according to the nonpartisan Pew Research Center.
Posted by: Fred || 08/16/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  This is why your nation is about to become a joke.
Posted by: newc || 08/16/2007 1:01 Comments || Top||

#2  *RUSSIA > see various military news on KOMMERSANT + PRAVDA.

* CHINA > NEWSMAX > METCALF - THE CHINA THREAT IS REAL article. China planning, prepping to go to war agz USA eventually, but first needs/intends to correct vital National + MilTech deficiencies.

*IRAN > BBC > 100,000 Islamists gather in Jakarta to press for single Global Caliphate for Muslims. Sponsored by HIZB-AL-TAHRIR radical org, this by extens Amer's Oliver Stone and a Texas-sized asteroid back in the 1960's + 1970's.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/16/2007 1:46 Comments || Top||

#3  Given that most pollsters projected the Donks to win the White House x months out from the election on the two previous go arounds, you really got to take these as nothing more than fly by night happy pills for the committed Donk.

Fundamental problem is that polling is done by old fashion phone calling which does not include cell phones. So they're more likely to get the oldsters and not the youngsters who've completely transitioned in technology. They claim they 'compensate' but you still end up with people living in and among those with similar leanings/backgrounds in the 'communities' that are still tied to the old technology.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 08/16/2007 8:00 Comments || Top||

#4  Lots of unemployed people sitting at home waiting for a phone call.
Posted by: Excalibur || 08/16/2007 9:43 Comments || Top||

#5  Pollsters always poll heavily on the democrat side to make the results match their expectations.

Lotsandlotsandlots more of this to come.
Posted by: DarthVader || 08/16/2007 10:50 Comments || Top||

#6  Another "fake but accurate poll" from people projecting their wishes on the rest of us. 200 years from now, the Demonrat party will be showcased via their true nature: Traitors, criminals, and vermin that crawled out of the cess pit.
Posted by: Silentbrick || 08/16/2007 12:15 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
Another group that hates the U.S.? How about Pakistani drag queens?
Jeebus, this is somehow posted as news? And, just how many SUICIDAL drag queens are there in Pakistan? I can't believe this he-she actually has a TV show in Pakistan and hasn't been beheaded yet.
Lahore, Pakistan - "I'm a drag queen, darling…not an extremist…
some of us would call being a suicidal drag queen a form of extremism, but "who am I to judge?"
... and I still say if Pakistanis had more self-respect, ...
Jeebus he-she sounds like a NEA groupie "teaching" kids about their self-respect, instead of the 3 R's
... we'd be even more anti-American," says Ali Saleem, who glosses his lips and dons a sari each week to interview celebrities and politicians on his TV program Begum Nawazish Ali, a talk show sensation in Pakistan. "I'm not speaking religion; it's common sense."

From politics to culture, Ali says American intervention in Pakistan has “brought nothing but sadness” by supporting dictators and rendering Pakistan’s people impotent, constantly looking to the outside world, particularly the U.S., for help solving its own problems.
Biting the hand that feeds you, is much more succinct.
He sees his TV show as an attempt to rekindle a sense of pride and responsibility in his viewers. He uses our interview to call for a boycott of all American goods and cultural products. Pakistanis must “Turn within for inspiration.”

That’s what Ali did. Growing up in an army cantonment on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border during General Zia ul-Haq’s years, Ali always knew he was a woman and “would just sit and pray for hours and hours in one place and say again and again to Allah, ‘Make me a girl, please make me a girl.’”
“Any man off the street will be open for sex with another man, trust me, but ask them if they’re gay and of course they say no."
That's what we here in the States call BOHICA. He-she must love getting run roughshod over by the devout menfolk of Islam. One final snip below, that is just full of irony!
“Any man off the street will be open for sex with another man, trust me, but ask them if they’re gay and of course they say no. In a way, Pakistan is much more open than it’s given credit for,” Ali says, despite draconian anti-sodomy laws and routine abuse of gender minorities.
"Yeah, you overlook that whole beheading and/or stoning the que*rs thingy, and Pakistan is just groovy, dude!" he added. And, more posters here that are in the know have stated that (behind the scenes) homosexuality and/or child sexual abuse is rampant in Muslim Middle East countries (but is hush-hush). I've never heard Pakistan being accused of that "underground culture" though. More at linky.
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#1  WaPo must be getting pretty desperate in finding new sources of anti-Americanism.
Posted by: Pappy || 08/16/2007 10:09 Comments || Top||

#2  But they always find 'em...
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/16/2007 10:26 Comments || Top||

#3  “Any man off the street will be open for sex with another man, trust me, but ask them if they’re gay and of course they say no.

Gee, nice little country you got yourselves over there. I wonder what the HIV rate is.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/16/2007 10:38 Comments || Top||

#4  I posted about this nut-case last year.

"I'm not speaking religion; it's common sense."

Coming from a drag queen in an Islamic country, I'd look elsewhere for "common sense".

American intervention in Pakistan has “brought nothing but sadness”

Only for the terrorists. Personally, I'm overjoyed.

Pakistanis must “Turn within for inspiration.”

You've been doing that for decades and look where it's gotten you.


Total. Loon.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/16/2007 11:50 Comments || Top||


India at 60, Muslims Feel Left Behind
NEW DELHI — As the Indian tricolor unfurls on the historic 17th-century Mughal-built Red Fort in New Delhi marking the 60th anniversary of independence, many Muslims believe Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru’s dream of ending "inequality of opportunity" remains a dream.

"Nothing has changed in the last 60 years in the sense that in 1947 my grandfather was a powerloom laborer. Sixty years have elapsed we are still the same," Sajid Khan told IslamOnline.net on Thursday, August 15.

At the stroke of midnight on August 14, 1947, Nehru delivered his famous speech Tryst with Destiny. "It is a fateful moment for us in India," he said eloquently, speaking of an "unending quest" and future. "The service of India means the service of the millions who suffer. It means the ending of poverty and ignorance and disease and inequality of opportunity."

While India has since became a heavyweight political, military and economic power, some sections of its society remain lagging behind. "I don’t understand what you are saying," Khan said when asked about India’s nine percent economic growth rate. "I measure growth in terms of equity Where is equity? We are not even paid the minimum wages fixed by the government," he lamented. "Independence means nothing to me."
If you're that unhappy, the Partition created not one but two Muslim states in which you could live. Just saying ...
In a speech from the ramparts of Red Fort to mark the independence anniversary, Premier Manmohan Singh listed poverty, malnutrition, unemployment and agrarian strife among the challenges ahead. "We need at least a decade of hard work and of sustained growth to realize our dreams. We have to bridge the many divides in our society and work with a unity of purpose."

Aftab Ansari, a hawker selling plastic Indian flags in the streets on the eve of Independence Day, is no less disgruntled. "What Freedom and what Independence? I only sell patriotism once a year to my fellow countrymen," the 17-year-old told IOL.

Many Indian Muslims feel insecure in their home country. "Indian Muslims are going through a terrible phase," Javed Anand, the co-editor of Communalism Combat, told IOL. "Fifteen percent of India’s population still feels insecure. The findings of Sachar Committee report have been really shocking."

The Sachar Committee looked into the socio-economic and educational backwardness of Muslims in the country and suggested various remedial measures. The recommendations included setting up educational facilities, modernization of madrasahs, creation of job opportunities and steps to increase the community's representation in public services.

Anand is skeptical the findings would be implemented. "Unfortunately, track record of the ruling government has not been very reassuring," he recalled. "It is behaving like any other previous government. Let’s keep our fingers crossed."
I'm skeptical Anand would be happy with anything other than a true caliphate.
Mufti Mohammad Ismail, the chief of a newly floated political party called Indian Muslim Congress, regretted what Indian Muslims have come to. "Muslims ruled India for almost 1000 years. It was our culture and heritage," he told IOL. "There was a time when we were rulers and used to sit on thrones. Today things have come to such a pass that jail is the only place where we outnumber other communities," Ismail lamented. "We fare poor economically. Eighty percent of Muslims are living below the poverty line. There was a time when we were the leaders in academics but now we are being led by others."
If only the heathen Hindoo hadn't fought back ...
There are some 140 million Muslims in Hindu-majority India, the world's third-largest Muslim population after those of Indonesia and Pakistan. Muslims complain of decades of social and economic neglect and oppression. Official figures reveal Muslims log lower educational levels and higher unemployment rates than the Hindu majority and other minorities like Christians and Sikhs. They account for less than seven percent of public service employees, only five percent of railways workers, around four percent of banking employees and there are only 29,000 Muslims in India's 1.3 million-strong military.
In other words, the Muslims in India don't want to be part of India, they want to be something else ...
Mufti Ismail said Muslims were the true champions of India's struggle for independence. "When British came here, it was the beginning of the age of slavery. We had been fighting for the independence of India since 17th century," he said. "Hindus joined us only in the 20th century."

He complained that Muslims are not being given their respective rights. "The descendents of the last Mughal King Bahadur Shah Zafar are begging on the streets of Kolkata. The family members of the martyred Tipu Sultan are rickshaw-pullers today.
Do the descendents of the last Mughal King deserve something the rest of us have to work for?
"The widow of Abdul Hameed, who sacrificed his life in defense of the country, is on the brink of committing suicide. These are the people whose families have fought for the Independence of India. Government’s indifference is a class apart."

Indian Muslims complain of decades of social and economic neglect and oppression. But Anand, the co-editor of Communalism Combat, also reserved harsh words for Muslim politicians. "Muslim legislators are busy wasting their time in raking up fastidious issues which don’t have anything to do with the progress of Indian Muslims," he said. He cited the recent attack on Bengali writer Taslima Nasreen, infamous for her anti-Islam writings, at a press conference last week in Hyderabad. Television footage showed Muslim state lawmakers and activists hitting Nasreen with flowers and threatening to lob chairs. "At a time when institutional bias has crept in our system, Muslim legislators are making a mockery of themselves," said Anand.

Majlis-e-Ittehadul-Muslimeen leader-cum-legislator Akbaruddin Owaisi has been accused of "intimidation" after suggesting Nasreen could be killed if she returned to Hyderabad, a claim which he has denied. "Muslims have become victims of the promises made by professional mullahs acting as agents of political parties," an angry Shamim Tariq, a researcher and columnist, told IOL. "Muslims should be aware of the enemies within. Right-wing Hindu parties and ideologues pale in comparison to the enemies within," he argued.

Tariq spoke of two sects of enemies within. "One is religious and acts as the mediator of political class and other is irreligious lot which takes pride in attacking Islam."
Enemies everywhere!
Navaid Hamid, a member of the National Integration Council of the central government, said young Indian Muslims were looking for direction. "Young Muslim generation feels excited due to the pace of development," Hamid told IOL. "At the same time, they strongly feel that they are being sidelined in governance; so there is a sense of confusion: what to do now?"
Become part of society? Knock off the useless sloganneering and get a job? Meet a nice girl, get married, settle down, have kids and learn to barbecue?
Hamid said young Indian Muslims have a strong desire to be part of the nation to serve this country. "They feel that there should be equal share of opportunity in every walk of life. More than 55 percent of India’s population consists of youths and they are the big asset for the country.
You could pledge loyalty and join the army. There's a start.
"The Muslim community should be utilized for a strong, vibrant nation and a pluralistic society."

Hamid warned that young Muslims are being targeted for no fault of their own.
"Whenever some terrorist activity happens in the country, fingers are pointed towards them. There is an atmosphere of fear and mistrust. This is very harmful for any harmonious and pluralistic society."

Ilyas Siddiqui, a historian, believes that self-help is the best help. "Sixty years ago, our own struggle and striving was beneficial for us," he told IOL. "Even today we should follow the path of self-help by way of the concept of civil society. This is the biggest principle. There is no need to be dependent on anybody not even government."

Mufti Ismail has his hopes in secular-minded Hindus. "In India, the world’s largest democracy, there are a number of secular Hindus who genuinely strive for the welfare of the Muslim community," he told IOL. "They believe that India cannot progress as long as its largest minority is lagging behind. They know that such progress will be a lop-sided progress and not a real progress," added the Muslim politician. We must strengthen their hands."
No word on whether Ismail thinks secular-minded Muslims should strive for the welfare of the Hindu community.
Posted by: john frum || 08/16/2007 09:07 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Official figures reveal Muslims log lower educational levels and higher unemployment rates

This is worldwide due to laziness and ignorance!!!!
Posted by: Paul || 08/16/2007 9:25 Comments || Top||

#2  Undivided India actually had quite a substantial Muslim middle class - in business, the professions, the military etc.
At partition they left for Pakistan. Those that were left were mainly the poor.
Posted by: john frum || 08/16/2007 9:40 Comments || Top||

#3  I'd get the violin out, but the shoulder's really bothering me today...
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/16/2007 9:46 Comments || Top||

#4  Well if you weren't running backwards, trying your best to get back to the 7th century you wouldn't feel so left behind, would you?

Bunch of fucking leeches.
Posted by: DarthVader || 08/16/2007 10:35 Comments || Top||

#5  Of course, this is after hundreds of years of Muslim rule where Hindus were oppressed and slaughtered. Any Muslim who feels oppressed today should move to Pakistan or some other Muslim country. I'm sure they will be better off there. /sarcasm
My sympathy meter seems to be broken again - it is still reading zero.
Posted by: Rambler || 08/16/2007 10:39 Comments || Top||

#6  I guess it would be impolite to inquire whether the Christians and Hindus feel "left behind" in Pakistan and Bangladesh. (They would probably settle for being left alone.) Muslims' emotional development seems to become arrested somewhere between 4 and 5, leading to the exaggerated sense of entitlement and the neverending whining about the unfairness of "infidels". If they sent their children to real schools instead of madrassas they might actually become productive instead of dead weight.
Posted by: RWV || 08/16/2007 10:55 Comments || Top||

#7  "Muslims ruled India for almost 1000 years. It was our culture and heritage," he told IOL. "There was a time when we were rulers and used to sit on thrones. Today things have come to such a pass that jail is the only place where we outnumber other communities," Ismail lamented.

This one quote completely summarizes the entitlement and ruling mentality that Muzzies have been spoon-fed from birth. Jeebus, it's high time to move into the 18th Century, much less the 21st.
Posted by: BA || 08/16/2007 11:02 Comments || Top||

#8  Ironically, while millions of Muslims followed their "Qaid-E-Azam" (Great Leader) Mohammed Ali Jinnah into Pakistan, Jinnah's own family did not.

Jinnah's grandson is a multi-millionaire industrialist in Mumbai.
Posted by: john frum || 08/16/2007 11:16 Comments || Top||

#9  I think the headline should read, "India At 60, Muslims Fail to Keep Pace".
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 08/16/2007 11:49 Comments || Top||

#10  The widow of Abdul Hameed, who sacrificed his life in defense of the country, is on the brink of committing suicide.

If indeed this is true, it is indeed shameful... but indicative of the disregard that Indian politicians have for the military.. rather than any anti-Muslim sentiment.

Company Quarter Master Havildar Abdul Hamid was a soldier in the 4 Grenadiers, Indian Army, who died in the Khem Karan sector during the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965, and was the posthumous recipient of the highest military decoration of the Republic of India, the Param Vir Chakra.

Although his PVC citation gives him credit for only 3 Patton Tanks destroyed, it is confirmed that he had destroyed no less than 7 enemy tanks . This is because the citation for Abdul Hamid's PVC was sent on the evening on 9 September 1965 but he destroyed 3 more tanks on the next day, plus the seventh one which also killed him.

At 0800 hours on 10 September 1965 Pakistan forces launched an attack with a regiment of Patton tanks on a vital area ahead of village Cheema on the Bhikkiwind road in the Khem Karam Sector. Intense artillery shelling preceded the attack. The enemy tanks penetrated the forward position by 0900 hours. Realising the grave situation, Company Quarter Master Havildar Abdul Hamid who was commander of a RCL gun detachment moved out to a flanking position with his gun mounted on a jeep, under intense enemy shelling and tank fire. Taking an advantageous position, he knocked out the leading enemy tank and then swiftly changing his position, he sent another tank up in flames. By this time the enemy tanks in the area spotted him and brought his jeep under concentrated machine-gun and high explosive fire. Undeterred, Company Quarter Master Havildar Abdul Hamid kept on firing on yet another enemy tank with his recoilless gun. While doing so, he was mortally wounded by an enemy high explosive shell.
Posted by: john frum || 08/16/2007 12:09 Comments || Top||

#11  The curriculum at Indian Madaris (madrasas) requires 16% of time devoted to the study of the useless language of Arabic. Over half of same is spent studying Islam, at the expense of the sciences. Islam is a crippler of minds and morals.
Posted by: McZoid || 08/16/2007 12:47 Comments || Top||

#12  Battle of Asal Uttar

Hamid’s story is folklore in the surrounding villages, but that’s not because of this memorial—it’s because of people like Kashmir Singh who survived the war.

A young man during the war, Kashmir Singh still remembers the tanks mowing down their crops. ‘‘The way the Pakistan army came in, we thought they would capture us all. But then they made a mistake. They mistook Amarkot, a town two kms from here, for Bhikhiwind and took the main road to advance towards Amritsar. On the way, Hamid halted their assault and gave them the Assal Uttar,’’ he says.

Fauja Singh recalls how Hamid blew up the Patton tank leading the Pakistani charge. ‘‘He killed the Pakistani commander, and blew up several tanks before being felled by enemy bullets.’’
Posted by: john frum || 08/16/2007 13:20 Comments || Top||

#13  Patton Nagar

Near the Bhikiwind village in the Khemkaran area, a strip of land was given an imaginary name Patton Nagar for a short while in 1965. It was at Patton Nagar that more than 60 tanks of the Pakistani army were displayed at the end of the september India-Pakistan conflict. The Pakistan Army tanks were captured at the Battle of Asal Uttar by India's 4 Mountain Division
Posted by: john frum || 08/16/2007 13:24 Comments || Top||

#14  India at 60, Muslims Feel Left Behind

Darth's got it. How is the desire to revert back to the 7th century being "left behind"?
Posted by: Zenster || 08/16/2007 14:58 Comments || Top||

#15  Because the Koran promises that they will defeat their enemies and rule over them, that they will prosper.

When the Kufr heathens are clearly doing better than they are.. well.. Allah sure didn't promise that...
Posted by: john frum || 08/16/2007 15:39 Comments || Top||

#16  #15: "When the Kufr heathens are clearly doing better than they are.. well.. Allah sure didn't promise that..."

So maybe allen lied to them, John?

It's the longest-running scam in history.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 08/16/2007 19:03 Comments || Top||


Boucher presses Musharraf for fair elections
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Negroponte to fly to Pakistan
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Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Israel's Netanyahu wins re-election as Likud chief
Posted by: Fred || 08/16/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Easily one of the most important posts of the day.
Posted by: mrp || 08/16/2007 9:46 Comments || Top||


Science & Technology
'We have broken speed of light'
By Nic Fleming, Ace Science Correspondent

A pair of iranian juche German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light - an achievement that would undermine our entire understanding of space and time. According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, it would require an infinite amount of energy to propel an object at more than 186,000 miles per second.

However, Dr Gunter Nimtz and Dr Alfons Stahlhofen, of the University of Koblenz, say they may have breached a key tenet of that theory. The pair say they have conducted an experiment in which microwave photons - energetic packets of light - travelled "instantaneously" between a pair of prisms that had been moved up to 3ft apart.

Being able to travel faster than the speed of light would lead to a wide variety of bizarre consequences. For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.

The scientists were investigating a phenomenon called quantum tunnelling, which allows sub-atomic particles to break apparently unbreakable laws. Dr Nimtz told New Scientist magazine: "For the time being, this is the only violation of special relativity that I know of."
Posted by: anonymous5089 || 08/16/2007 14:03 || Comments || Link || [9 views] Top|| File under:

#1  For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.

Hokay, any geeks here that wanna splains that to me?

We all know for a fact that light will take time to travel across any given distance. I don't see how going faster equals time travel.
Posted by: Mike N. || 08/16/2007 14:26 Comments || Top||

#2  Hope they got some high speed duct tape to fix it......
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 08/16/2007 14:36 Comments || Top||

#3  Hokay, any geeks here that wanna splains that to me?

I'm not an expert, but I'll give you my discovery channel explanation as I understand it.

In quantum physics, the sub-atomic items behave differently than others. They pop in and out of existence all the time. For quantum tunnelling to happen, the sub-atomic particles must know what they are gonna be like before they move. Therefore, they particles popping into existence must know what the particles look like before they disappear. So stuff "arrives" at the new point right before the old stuff "leaves".

Don't understand why. Hopefully there is a quantum expert running around the 'burg.
Posted by: DarthVader || 08/16/2007 14:52 Comments || Top||

#4  "would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving. "

Think of it this way: You are at point A. You move to point B at a speed faster than light. You can look at point A and see yourself there even though you are at point B. At some point you will "disappear". Now to take that a step further, a person at point C might see TWO of you, one at point A and one at point B. The speed of light and it's relationship to time was basically what prevents someone from existing at two places at the same time.
Posted by: crosspatch || 08/16/2007 15:05 Comments || Top||

#5  Here I am!
No I'm not!
Here I am !
No I'm not!
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/16/2007 15:12 Comments || Top||

#6  So, does this mean we can tag jihadis with a .50 cal before they even show up there? Now, THAT'S the question!
Posted by: BA || 08/16/2007 15:26 Comments || Top||

#7  There was a young lady named Bright
Who traveled much faster than light.
She set out one day,
In a relative way,
And returned on the previous night.
Posted by: mojo || 08/16/2007 15:34 Comments || Top||

#8  Not an expert by any means, but my understanding of quantum tunnelling comes at the question from a little different perspective.

Start with probability densities. A probability density function describes the likelihoods of some variable quantity being equal to various values. For some values the likelihood is very high. For other values the likelihood is very small. If the possible values are discrete - for instance, whole numbers of people, or scores on the SAT exam - we call the resulting function a probability distribution. If the range of possible values is continuous, for instance potential body weights for people, we call the resulting function a probability density function.

Either way, this function captures in a single snapshot everything we would want to know about the likelihood of each possible value occurring in the phenomenon of interest. For many phenomena this function is shaped like a rounded hill, with central values being very likely and low or high values being much less likely. This is true for things like the weights or lifespans of people, for instance.

Now consider sub-atomic particles. Rather than picturing them as little BBs, think of a particle as a probability density function which describes the likelihood that a given quantity of electromagnetic energy will occur at a given tiny location in space. In this model, the particle isn't really 'at' one place for certain. In fact, it 'exists' across a relatively wide area of space ... but the likelihood of it manifesting its energy at most of those locations is very very low.

At any given time, however, there is one place where it is very likely that the energy associated with a given 'particle' is found. We loosely call that the 'location' of the particle -- and when that location changes, we say the particle 'moved'. In actuality, a given place in space has an energy that is affected by many 'particles' ... it's just that most of those 'particles' affect the energy very very slightly. Or rather, very very infrequently.

What quantum tunnelling does, IIUC, is to change where that center of likelihood for a given 'particle' is in the tiny spaces within an atom. To do that requires a change in the energy levels of the EM field in that space. In the German experiment, that change of energy was supplied by a microwave source.

The change in 'location' occurs according to Bayesian probability, which is a fancy way of saying that the probability of an event is a function of the likelihood of that event in light of all other information at the time. So the change in energy / location of a 'particle' is influenced by whatever else is going on around it.

Including an observer trying to measure its location / speed / energy level. But what works at the quantum level doesn't work for macro level things we can see or touch. I'm not all that affected by my monitor sitting on my desk. At least not when my webcam is turned off ;-). But a quantum particle is. Schroedinger's famous cat experiment points out the fallacy of trying to apply quantum behavior to the macroscopic level of things we can see and touch.

Which is why it's pretty dubious to go from the German experiment (assuming it stands peer review) to what happens to astronauts. ;-)

Clear as mud, right? Due in large part to my limited understanding, I'm sure. Or maybe also to the universe being weirder than we think. LOL

Posted by: lotp || 08/16/2007 15:47 Comments || Top||

#9  crosspatch, thank you. I figure they were talking about it looking like time travel, but they left that word out, so I wasn't sure.
Posted by: Mike N. || 08/16/2007 15:47 Comments || Top||

#10  crosspatch's explanation is the standard one, but the Germans are claiming something different IIUC. I think they are claiming that they changed the 'location' of the photons instantaneously - not with regard to our seeing them, but with regard to the state of the field probabilities themselves.

There are other instantaneous phenomena at the quantum level. Twinned particles can be created such that, when the spin of one is changed the other changes instantaneously in the same way. It appears that 'information' about the 'proper' state can be shared even tho no electromagnetic field change is propagated so far as we can tell.

Quantum tunnelling may consist of an equivalent information transmission that somehow changes the probability density function for the 'particle' to another state, without the 'particle' having to go through the intermediate states. It's as if at one minute I weighed x lbs (plus or minus a few) and then I suddenly weighed x+100 lbs (plus or minus).

Or so I'm understanding it ... FWIW !!
Posted by: lotp || 08/16/2007 15:54 Comments || Top||

#11  Here I am!
No I'm not!
Here I am !
No I'm not!


No, tu, that's Joe Biden's brain on any given day.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 08/16/2007 16:07 Comments || Top||

#12  "Instant" doesn't impress me. A measurable speed in excess of the speed of light would be something.
Posted by: Iblis || 08/16/2007 16:26 Comments || Top||

#13  A friend once described quantum physics in terms of what he called "Schrodinger's Perp".

That is, let us say that the police have arrested a Mr Tyrone Washington, a suspect in the armed robbery of a 7-11 store. They have pictures of him on the store camera committing the robbery, a positive ID from the 7-11 clerk, his fingerprints on the counter and cash register and a toy gun dropped in a trash can next door to the 7-11, and statements from his friends that he bragged about robbing the 7-11. For the fourth time.

However, Mr Tyrone Washington claims that he was instead home at the time, watching re-runs of "The Brady Bunch" on his mom's TV. "Wasn't me", claims Tyrone.

Now, according to quantum mechanics, though he *could* have been at home watching TV, by dint of his having been measured at the 7-11, the probability of him recalling any details of that particular Brady Bunch episode are slight.

That is, he could have theoretically been in either place up until the very moment in which a police officer determined that "Tyrone done it." At which point Tyrone being an armed robber again became the only real probability.

And at no time was causality violated, unlike what will probably happen to Tyrone in prison. Again.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 08/16/2007 16:40 Comments || Top||

#14  Ten minutes ago I was looking for this story ten miniutes from now...
Posted by: tu3031 || 08/16/2007 16:41 Comments || Top||

#15  Let's ask the science officer what he thinks.
Posted by: Perfesser || 08/16/2007 16:50 Comments || Top||

#16  I like that Perp account, 'moose.

The Bayesian probs bit is a nice math way to describe how/why that probability function collapses. But don't you think it's a bit harsh to judge Mr. Tyrone that way, making him guilty because of the police prejudice? ;-)
Posted by: lotp || 08/16/2007 16:50 Comments || Top||

#17  This is something that American scientists have been doing also. I remember a documentary where scientists broadcast music at a speed faster than light.

Lotp's explanation actually makes quite a bit of sense if heard the music as received on the other end. It had quite a bit of static.

Presumably an image transmitted the same way would be blurry, and an astronaut would arrive at his destination with some of his atoms missing/out of place.

Whether that would be fatal is anybody's guess.

Al
Posted by: Frozen Al || 08/16/2007 16:53 Comments || Top||

#18  A pair of German physicists claim to have broken the speed of light . . . .

Well, then, they'd damned well better fix it!
Posted by: Mike || 08/16/2007 17:21 Comments || Top||

#19  1 hour from now, I'm going to be every bit as confused as I was one hour ago.
Posted by: Mike N. || 08/16/2007 17:25 Comments || Top||

#20  At least now I finally know why my socks keep turning up missing.
Posted by: Mike N. || 08/16/2007 17:36 Comments || Top||

#21  Al, hencetoforth, you'll send a copy (as data) of the astronaut with some form of encryption key (like md5) that would make sure the astronaut is re-composed properly. We are not talking a clone here but an exact bona fide "projection" of the said astronaut. If you ever exprienced a state called OBE, you'd have a feel for what I mean. Not the same thing, but about quarter of the cigar.

Of course, then the astronaut would be in two places at the same time. Meaning you'd need to train people to be able to get over their linear programming and make sense of parsing two data sets at the same time and not get a psychiatric ward dossier. Here we assume that there would be a presistent FTL* entanglement of the mental state. May be not, but I have a hunch that would be the case.

You can also terminate astronaut before transfer and after the arival at the destination recompose him/her. Yea, it will feel like dying. The ariving astronaut may be a mental wreck.

* Did I mean persistent? No. it's FTL, hence presistent. ;)
Posted by: twobyfour || 08/16/2007 17:45 Comments || Top||

#22  no danger of becoming your own grandps from this phenomena.findings such as this one apply only to basic particles,e g , photons,electrons etc with masses so small they behave at times like waves with no mass at all only energy.Quantum behavior is bizarre and on an ordinary level cannot ever be understood. what is goingon here in the
German experiment is a conservation of spin at a distance so that if two photons are emitted with opposite spin or polarity,if the spin of one is changed ,say by a diffraction grating three feet away, , the other one must change its spin to conserve the balance of spin in the universe.How do it know?Others have observed this or guessed about it including if memory serve a prof named Smith at Dublin U. there has been a clue also insomething called Higgs space where light seems to travel in a vacuum faster in one direction than it does at rt angles to the first light photon, but enough already of this mind bending Lets go study something easy like peace in the middle east. just as hard but more rewarding
Posted by: john e morrissey || 08/16/2007 18:11 Comments || Top||

#23  Okay,
Now for a bit of fun....

something happens
you send the notification from a to b faster than light by this method and instantly trigger on reception at b to send back to a and so on like a bouncing tennis ball.

If your instant trigger is less then the a - b reverse time lag - eventually you bootstrap an answer to a much earlier time at a and maybe just predict the future...
Posted by: 3dc || 08/16/2007 18:36 Comments || Top||

#24  If a particle that has mass can be transported to a different location faster than the speed of light, then that might be the source of "dark matter". Dark matter might be tunneled particles.

Think of it this way: A particle at point A will have a gravitational influence on the space around it. This influence "radiates" at the speed of light. In other words, a particle one light year from you that is suddenly destroyed will continue to have a gravitational impact on you (however small) for one year after it is destroyed. If that particle tunnels to another location, for all practical purposes, that particle's gravitational influence is doubled because it has now gone outside the influence of it's old location (which is "radiating" out into space like a bubble expanding at the speed of light) and had started a new gravitational influence before the old one is gone from it's current perspective.

Might the gravitational influence of "dark matter" simply be from conventional particles that now exist outside of their old existence and thereby exert "double" the gravitational influence on the universe for some period of time?
Posted by: crosspatch || 08/16/2007 18:59 Comments || Top||

#25  It's just going fast. Nothing exciting happens to airplanes that break the speed of sound, right? Although for those on the ground it can be a bit startling.
Posted by: trailing wife || 08/16/2007 19:17 Comments || Top||

#26  You're not IN two places at the same time. You're just experienced by watchers as being thus. The same thing happens with everything we experience in any way -- everything happens before you experience it, because it takes time for the perception of the experience to reach you, and then to reach your brain, and then to be processed and interpreted by the brain. We are all living in the past.

Postscript: Traversing the luminous aether
Posted by: trailing daughter #1 || 08/16/2007 19:23 Comments || Top||

#27  crosspatch... Not DarkWing Duck again! Err, dark matter. It's an epicycle by another name.

3dc, there has ben some speculation that events can be seen as waveforms in physics sense. They create ripples in time continuum, which esentily has only "now" dimension. The time arrow is only our interpretation of making sense of our environ (and the entropy), as the events get their ripple cancelled by new events for the most part. Only very finely tuned instrument (sometimes that'd be human brain) can detect the ripples that are rather distant--so anyhing in the past or future becoms rather fuzzy, mostly erased by noise the further in either direction you go.

So, what you are suggesting is an amplifier of sorts. The problem is not that it would violate causality (I believe that there are causal relationships across time continum in any direction, but we are not equipped to handle it and are built to percieve it in only in one direction along the entropy path--well...with some exceptions of certain cult-ural segment where they have it almost reverse, and children about age 2-3 that operate frequently in the "now" scope and do not have yet a clear idea that yesterday already happened and that tomorow is the future tense, for them, there is a little difference as to them they seem to be equidistant), but that the mischievousnes of matter (disppearing socks, scissors, pens, glasses, etc., that you won't be finding in the place you left them just wile ago, for hours, and then they will reappear in the same spot you went over numerous times before) will be elevated to new heights as you adapt to more lateral perception.

Clear?

If so, then you are lucky, I have no idea what I just said.;-)
Posted by: twobyfour || 08/16/2007 19:47 Comments || Top||

#28  daughter #1, smart kido you are ;-)
Posted by: twobyfour || 08/16/2007 19:49 Comments || Top||

#29  Or consider this thought experiment.

Postulate a universe of computational elements each one planck length across and connected by a backplane. Simple particles/wave functions like photons and neutrinos don't take a lot of processing power, so they can be clocked across the domains at the maximum clock rate. Nothing can be clocked across a domain faster than the clock rate, thus the speed of light.

Things like leptons, baryons and spaceships take up a lot more computational power and can't be clocked across multiple computational domains without consuming tremendous amounts of energy (processing ain't free). Just consider all of the calcs that would be required to maintain the shape and activity of a spaceship moving at .99 c while transversing all of those planck length sized domains. For baryonic matter to move at the speed of light would "lock up" the system. Thus the impossibility of baryonic matter moving at c.

Mass would then be an artifact of computational density. The more interactions, the more calcs and the greater the mass. This also explains the mass paradox. An outside observer sees the mass of baryonic matter go to infinity as it approaches c. If you think your way through it, you could also explain the time paradox using this model.

Dark matter andd dark energy are the computational mass and energy of the universe. They are running the backplane. Generally, the distribution of both is less dense in the presence of baryonic matter since backplane energy is flowing into baryonic regions of the universe to power all of the calcs required.

Posted by: Crackpot || 08/16/2007 19:51 Comments || Top||

#30  Or consider this thought experiment.

Postulate a universe of computational elements each one planck length across and connected by a backplane. Simple particles/wave functions like photons and neutrinos don't take a lot of processing power, so they can be clocked across the domains at the maximum clock rate. Nothing can be clocked across a domain faster than the clock rate, thus the speed of light.

Things like leptons, baryons and spaceships take up a lot more computational power and can't be clocked across multiple computational domains without consuming tremendous amounts of energy (processing ain't free). Just consider all of the calcs that would be required to maintain the shape and activity of a spaceship moving at .99 c while transversing all of those planck length sized domains. For baryonic matter to move at the speed of light would "lock up" the system. Thus the impossibility of baryonic matter moving at c.

Mass would then be an artifact of computational density. The more interactions, the more calcs and the greater the mass. This also explains the mass paradox. An outside observer sees the mass of baryonic matter go to infinity as it approaches c. If you think your way through it, you could also explain the time paradox using this model.

Dark matter andd dark energy are the computational mass and energy of the universe. They are running the backplane. Generally, the distribution of both is less dense in the presence of baryonic matter since backplane energy is flowing into baryonic regions of the universe to power all of the calcs required.

Posted by: Crackpot || 08/16/2007 19:54 Comments || Top||

#31  Crackpot, were fine until the paragraph with darkwing matter. This is my button, I guess. ;-)

DM has nothing to do with reality. It is a mathematical construct. We have no friggin idea what holds galaxies together and it ain't gravity calculated from matter and energy we perceive in all the spectra, or they'd fall or fly apart, so weak is the force.

There are other forces in the universe that are many orders of magnitude stronger, but the current cosmology wants to have nothing to do with that, as it would open a whupass can of worms and endanger the teat of the current Elders of Church of Scientism.

Posted by: twobyfour || 08/16/2007 20:09 Comments || Top||

#32  daughter #1, just for the sake of precision, the now is about 500ms behind, in our perception. Or let me be more acurate--our conscious perception.

In fact, there is a little twist...some experiments resulted in signals being received about 70-100ms before their registered time stamp, unconsciously. Yes, that says 100ms before they happened.
Posted by: twobyfour || 08/16/2007 20:20 Comments || Top||

#33  I got news for the German brainiacs. The only way to travel through time is to visit your local library. Unless you count the forward time travel we are all doing right now.

Ummm... Now ima have a thinker moment.

Its entirely reasonable to presume that backward time travel is not possible because we haven't met anyone from the future. Excepting Thomas Dolby. And we know that forward time travel is possible, at our current pace, so I will submit that we may someday send someone into the future, but will never get the opportunity to find out if it was cool or completely sucked.

This is the first time I have ever contemplated time travel and I fully intend never to make this mistake for a second time.

I'm spent.
Posted by: Mike N. || 08/16/2007 20:21 Comments || Top||

#34  Truth to crackpot's arguments. One can not forget planck. Plank demands clocked processing - think super array of computers with a common clock enabling unique events...

It seems to suggest that an async computer like some of the ARM models can not be used as arrays of them would not require unique events.

Both Einstein and Quantum worlds require it implying a serial nature to the Universe.

However these "laws" fall apart around constructs like worm holes and black holes (maybe white ones too)

So do we use the wave function, the particle function our something else to look at information travel in reverse or Taychon direction.
Posted by: 3dc || 08/16/2007 20:32 Comments || Top||

#35  Even more does the universe really care about the direction of information flow or information?

Heady arguments between some of the top brains on that issue.
Posted by: 3dc || 08/16/2007 20:34 Comments || Top||

#36  For instance, an astronaut moving faster than it would theoretically arrive at a destination before leaving.
Starfleet calls this the Picard manuever.

I have to wonder (a) if their instrumentation is capable of measuring this stuff (b) if they can even tell if it's the same photos. I don't want to sound racist but they all look alike to me.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 08/16/2007 20:36 Comments || Top||

#37  Mike,

"Its entirely reasonable to presume that backward time travel is not possible because we haven't met anyone from the future."

"Very" reasonable, but not "entirely". Granted, you did not say:

"We haven't met anyone from the future, therefore backward time travel is not possible".

Posted by: twobyfour || 08/16/2007 20:49 Comments || Top||

#38  I'm actually working on a theory that simplifies Einstein relativity...

Basically instead of 4D minkowski (x^2+y^2+z^2-t^2=0) space you have 3 normal dimensions PLUS a small closed NOW dimension (i.e. there is no past or future reality).

Here's the clever bit.
1) All particles travel at the speed of light i.e. 3space stationary particles are rotating in the now dimension at c. Accelerating particles rotate out of the NOW space.
2) Only light doesn't rotate around the now dimension.
3) The passage of time can only be measured by how long it takes a normal particle to cross a now line. i.e. a 3 space fast moving particle would take much longer to rotate around the now space.

Basically all the time dilation effects are the same and you simplify the space/time structure.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 08/16/2007 20:49 Comments || Top||

#39  From what I've read (gross amateur in the field of quantum physics - I flunked College calculus), tachyons and neutrinos also have very strange behaviors that MAY exceed the "normal" laws of physics. As long as there is at least SOME text in the discussion, I can try to follow it.

Apparently there are two universes - the macro-universe we all live in and are beginning to understand the laws governing it, and the micro-universe, which apparently has its own rules that we're only now beginning to learn. I doubt seriously that this will have a practical application for at least another 200 years.
Posted by: Old Patriot || 08/16/2007 20:59 Comments || Top||

#40  Old Patriot, how about computers.;-)

Pebbles, one problem... you have a leak there! ;-)
Because the NOW happens now, in now all the particles would accelerate out of the NOW and the whole thing would pop out of existence at an instant. I was tempted to say before it began, but realized it's all now.;-)

Posted by: twobyfour || 08/16/2007 21:08 Comments || Top||

#41  Yep they accelerate/rotate into the next now.

The square root of -1 is analogous to a 90degrees rotation.

The square function implies self-interaction.

The solution to the wave equation is...

Anyway I see it as a set of NOW states. It works for whatever gauge you want to use for C*T.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 08/16/2007 21:48 Comments || Top||

#42  D *** ng I miss my laser projects for the Army-USDOD - time to go to Subway and console wid two Cold Cut foot-longs.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/16/2007 21:49 Comments || Top||

#43  Oh! So NOW is now quantized! ;-)

Okay, that would solve the plumbing issue.
Posted by: twobyfour || 08/16/2007 21:51 Comments || Top||

#44  3dc, just noticed...

However these "laws" fall apart around constructs like worm holes and black holes (maybe white ones too)

And that's what they are. Constructs.
Posted by: twobyfour || 08/16/2007 22:07 Comments || Top||

#45  PIMF

However these "laws" fall apart around constructs like worm holes and black holes (maybe white ones too)

And that's what they are. Constructs.
Posted by: twobyfour || 08/16/2007 22:09 Comments || Top||

#46  They may be "constructs" but I sure as hell don't want to be within many light years of one...
Posted by: 3dc || 08/16/2007 22:16 Comments || Top||

#47  Yea, I imagine it would be iffy to meet Medusa, too.
Posted by: twobyfour || 08/16/2007 22:44 Comments || Top||

#48  "You're just experienced by watchers as being thus. "

And that experience will include a gravitational influence from both of you doubling the effective gravity of a given amount of mass, albeit for a short period of time. But if enough events such as those are happening all the time, then there might be enough of them to account for the "missing" mass scientists have been looking for.
Posted by: crosspatch || 08/16/2007 23:26 Comments || Top||


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Iran: 2 Chinese held on spying charges
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Iran has detained two Chinese nationals on charges of spying on its military and nuclear facilities, state radio reported Wednesday. There have been a series of similar accusations against Westerners in Iran in recent years but none against China, with which Iran enjoys good relations.
Attaboy, Mahmoud, bite the hand that feeds you.
"The Chinese nationals were detained while taking photos and recording video of a military complex in Arak city," the radio quoted Ali Reza Jamshidi, spokesman of Iran's judiciary, as saying. "They entered Iran through Kish Island as tourists." Kish is a resort island and free-trade off the southern coast of Iran. A 40-megawatt nuclear reactor is being built in Arak, 435 miles to the north.

Jamshidi said the case was under initial investigation by the country's judicial authorities. No further details were given.
"We will say no more!"
Posted by: Steve White || 08/16/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I have this fantasy that the CIA is good enough to get the Pakis and the Persians pitted against the Chinese. But hey, it's only a fantasy.
Posted by: Classical_Liberal || 08/16/2007 0:40 Comments || Top||

#2  Ah-HA! So THAT'S what Karl Rove is up to now!
Posted by: Steve White || 08/16/2007 0:44 Comments || Top||

#3  RENSE.com > Russia wants Iran in Central Asia Security Pact.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 08/16/2007 1:35 Comments || Top||

#4  Always a joy to see first rate brains in action.
Posted by: gromgoru || 08/16/2007 8:56 Comments || Top||

#5  Always a joy to see first rate brains in action.
Posted by: gromgoru || 08/16/2007 8:57 Comments || Top||

#6  Oooopssss
Posted by: gromgoru || 08/16/2007 8:58 Comments || Top||

#7  Naw, Doc...this one has Rumsfeld written ALL over it! I'm bettin' that Rove is setting up Syria and Putin to p!ss of the Chinese next.
Posted by: BA || 08/16/2007 9:45 Comments || Top||

#8  The same day that Hu Jintao met with Ahmanijihad (however you spell it) at the SCO summit. Saw 'em shaking hands on the teevee. What message are the Iranians sending?
Posted by: gromky || 08/16/2007 10:48 Comments || Top||

#9  What message are the Iranians sending?

That they are stupider than a sack full of hammers?

Dumber than a box of rocks?

More lame than a one-legged dog?

It seems that Muslims just can't help themselves and must antagonize everything and anything remotely connected with their continued existence in this world. A rabid animal exhibits almost Einstein-like intelligence compared to these death-wish loons. I swear—if there were grizzly bears in the Middle East—we'd be reading stories about Muslims poking them with sticks.
Posted by: Zenster || 08/16/2007 11:17 Comments || Top||

#10  I swear—if there were grizzly bears in the Middle East—we'd be reading stories about Muslims poking them with sticks

If we consider America as the bear for anology purposes, they've already been doing it for years and for some reason, half the bears are blaming it on the fact that one of them that rummaged through some campers garbage one time.
Posted by: Mike N. || 08/16/2007 11:26 Comments || Top||

#11  They have to spy, they can't help themselves.
Posted by: bigjim-ky || 08/16/2007 11:53 Comments || Top||


Home Front Economy
Dupe entry: Asia Markets Heading Sharply South
Posted by: Anonymoose || 08/16/2007 00:00 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  While stock markets are tanking the USD is sharply higher, which is the market's answer to the question 'when the sh!t hits the fan, who do you trust?'
Posted by: phil_b || 08/16/2007 6:03 Comments || Top||

#2  When the US market sneezes, the rest of the world catches the flu. So self important foreign finance ministers [attention EU bureaucrats], you really want a trade war?
Posted by: Procopius2k || 08/16/2007 8:14 Comments || Top||



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