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2007-08-16 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

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Posted by Fred 2007-08-16 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11137 views ] Top
File under: Palestinian Authority

#1 I wonder how many people in the world believe there is a "Palestinian State".

FYI, it is Jordan.

Posted by newc">newc 2007-08-16 00:19|| 2007-08-16 00:19|| Front Page Top

#2 Muslims have shown that they will chose Islamofascist and terrorist political parties. Where is it written that we have to support the democratic choices made by savage peoples?

Good luck to Guiliani, but I can't help thinking about George Bush's attack on Clintonist "nation building," during the 2000 campaign. It is important to put US security interests over destabilizing deference to Muslim electoral choice. Let's kill terrorists, first.

Posted by McZoid 2007-08-16 02:06|| 2007-08-16 02:06|| Front Page Top

#3 This is a genuine whiff of fresh air. Much like Tancredo's introducing the notion of retaliatory attacks against Islamic shrines, so is it also important to begin deconstructing the Quartet's road map.

The Palestinians have done nothing at all to merit an independent state. They have reneged on all agreements, purposefully employed deceit at every turn and voluntarily elected terrorists to govern them. If this constant malignance is not sufficient in causing their goals to be forfeit then nothing is.

Like him or not, Giuliani certainly deserves credit for being one of the first leading presidential candidates to inject this concept into the national dialogue. The sooner more people begin to consider this as a genuinely acceptable measure, the more quickly Israel will finally enjoy a modicum of well deserved peace.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-16 02:40|| 2007-08-16 02:40|| Front Page Top

#4 This may be an unpopular opinion, however I've been discussing this same thing all night, so....The Palestinians behave in the only way they know. The Refugee camps breed anger, and hatred and make it pretty damn hard to move forward when you live surrounded by a bunch of angry old people who lost homes. It fits into group psych, if everyone you know is pissed off, you will probably behave in the same manner, "Milgram's" anyone?
Not saying they're right, but maybe Israel should give a little ground. Or at least consider doing away with the camps and not bulldozing any more of the Palestinian areas.

Posted by NOLA">NOLA 2007-08-16 06:52|| 2007-08-16 06:52|| Front Page Top

#5 We've a new troll (#4)?

Posted by gromgoru 2007-08-16 08:35|| 2007-08-16 08:35|| Front Page Top

#6 All night, NOLA dear? You'll think better if you get some sleep, surely. The Palestinian camps were established by the United Nations in 1948 in what are now the Palestinian Territories, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon; they are still maintained and funded entirely by the U.N., and the countries and PA territories where they are sited do not -- by law -- permit the original residents or their descendants to purchase property, or even live, outside the original boundaries. There really isn't much Israel can do about that... and the Arab Israelis live wherever they choose throughout their country.

As for Israel giving a little ground: they vacated the entire Gaza Strip at the behest of former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. As a result the Gazans have been sending a daily barrage of rockets into Israel, and attempting daily to send in armed murderers and suicide bombers. As Israel has already literally given ground, wouldn't someone who'd gotten enough sleep think it was the Palestinians' turn to, as you so succinctly phrase it, give a little ground? Modifying the school curricula to put Israel on the maps would be nice, or perhaps removing references to killing all the Jews and the joys of violent jihad, both currently sprinkled so lavishly throughout the textbooks at each level and for such disparate courses as mathematics and grammar. The academics at MEMRI spent no little amount of time translating the textbooks used in Palestinian and other Middle Eastern schools. You might find a perusal of their site useful in your all night discussions.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-08-16 08:44|| 2007-08-16 08:44|| Front Page Top

#7 Or, try www.memri.org copied and pasted into your browser. My apologies -- I thought I'd learnt how to handle simple HTML codes.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-08-16 10:06|| 2007-08-16 10:06|| Front Page Top

#8 The Palestinian camps were established by the United Nations in 1948

One thing that always bugged me about the 'refugee camps' is they seem to consist of multi-storey cinderblock buildings with streets and sewers. When I think of refugee camps, it means tents and porta-johns and aid workers handing out MREs. How the *bleep* can you have a 'refugee camp' for 50 years?

And no, I'm not going to touch the 'give a little ground' meme. It's just too funny all by itself.

Posted by SteveS 2007-08-16 10:28|| 2007-08-16 10:28|| Front Page Top

#9 NOLA, kindly google Nafoul the Killer Bee from "Tomorrow's Pioneers", and then get back to us. Of course they're behaving the only way they know how -- they're fed this stuff in their baby bottles.

(now if you'll excuse me, i'm off to kibitz on Phil B's Cryptic Brain-Yoga Crossword)

Posted by Querent 2007-08-16 14:27|| 2007-08-16 14:27|| Front Page Top

#10 Nafoul the Killer Bee from "Tomorrow's Pioneers"

And yes it was my bedtime...love the graveyard fun. The kid's shows are awful, I agree with you, but Israel has similar programs. It's really a never ending feud. I just don't think denying a 2 state solution is gonna work. Israel doesn't want to keep them either.
It seems fairly f**ked to me, but I'd love to hear what y'all think will solve the issue. If you care to humor me.

Posted by NOLA">NOLA 2007-08-16 23:46|| 2007-08-16 23:46|| Front Page Top

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