Recipe Notes:
Chef Glosser instructs readers to grind the combination of pan-browned meats and spiced drained sauerkraut. This refers to processing the mixture with an old style food mill, the American Universal model being most common. If you have the meat grinder attachment for your Kitchen Aid mixer, it will work just fine. Use the small opening grinding plate or run your mixture through the medium plate a few times. Ordinary food processors should be pulsed and not run continuously to avoid over-grinding the mixture. Stop periodically to scrape down the mixing bowls sides and then pulse a few more times.
When adding sauerkraut to other recipes it advisable to wrap it in a clean tea towel or layers of paper towels and twist a bit to wring the pickling brine out of it. This will reduce any chance of runniness and also produce a milder taste for those who are not overly fond of sauerkrauts flavor.
Post # 4: Char Siu Chinese Barbecued Pork
Submitted by phil_b
Post # 4: Hainanese Chicken Rice Chicken & Rice with Steamed Vegetables
Submitted by phil_b
Post # 13: Whole Roast Pig Cooking Instructions for Roasting Pigs
Submitted by mcsegeek1
Recipe Note:
These excellent instructions provide separate procedures for grilling, spit rotisserie or open pit barbecuing of an entire pig. Also provided are directions for using the novel "La Caja China or Chinese Box style cooker. This recipe will benefit even further by the use of a dry or wet rub to pre-season the meat. Depending on the method used, there are also basting liquids that can enhance the finished products texture and flavor.
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Char Siu Marinade Classic Chinese Barbecue Sauce
Preparation Time: 15 Minutes
Makes: ~1 Cup enough for 2-5 pounds of meat
Ingredients:
¼ Cup Shaoxing Chinese Rice Wine
¼ Cup Black Bean Garlic Sauce
¼ Cup Yu Hsiang Spicy Garlic Sauce
¼ Cup Hoisin Sauce
¼ Cup Oyster Sauce (Lee Kum Kee Premium label is recommended)
¼ Cup Malt Sugar, (plum sauce, honey or cane sugar may be substituted)
¼ Cup Soy Sauce (Kikkoman or another good quality brand)
3 TSP Crushed Garlic (or more if desired)
3 TSP Grated Fresh Ginger Root
3 TSP Peanut Oil
1 TSP House Ra Yu Sesame Chile Oil (substitute Dynasty Goma Chili Oil if needed.)
Ingredient Notes:
Shaoxing Chinese rice wine is one of the great secrets to Asian cooking. At around one or two dollars a bottle, it is inexpensive and indispensible for obtaining authentic flavor in your recipes. Look for it at any large Asian supermarket. If it is not available in your area, I urge you to order it by mail. Once you begin using it, suddenly all of your efforts will bear fruit like you have always wanted them to. Wherever Asian recipes mention using "dry sherry", this is what you really should be using.
Whenever an Asian recipe mentions sesame oil, it is almost always roasted sesame oil. It has a deep and rich taste that no raw sesame oil will have. Often, it is seasoned with hot chiles to give it a spicy flavor. Always look for chili oils that have only two ingredients. There should no cottonseed, soya or corn oil, only sesame oil and chili. You will pay a premium price but the quality is worth it. Buy it in 1.1 oz. or the 3.5 oz. bottles.
Along with chopped scallions, a few drops of sesame chili oil are the secret to a fine bowl of saimen or ramen noodles. Likewise, a few drops of sesame chili oil in several tablespoons of soy sauce makes an ideal won ton or dim sum dipping sauce. Add grated ginger, scallions, garlic or white vinegar to liven things up. If sesame chili oil is not available, regular unseasoned roasted sesame oil will provide a nice nutty flavor without the heat.
Preparation:
Mix all ingredients and stir well. Apply to meat cuts and allow to marinate for two hours or overnight. Avoid using tenderloin or loin cuts as those will tend to dry out on the grill. Boston butt, shoulder or unsmoked picnic are most appropriate. Heel cut Chinese style riblets or boneless country style pork ribs seem to work particularly well and even thin cut chops may be used. Baste every so often while grilling over open coals to medium doneness, then remove from heat immediately.
This recipe contains quite a bit of salt so avoid serving other piquant dishes with anything using this sauce. All of the ingredients will cost about $25.00 and make several batches of this sauce. Although most of the containers recommend that they be refrigerated after opening, only the oyster sauce really requires it. My black bean garlic sauce was stored in my cupboard for over two years and it was good to the last drop.
Place a small amount of the sauce in a resealable plastic bag, drop in your cuts of meat, shake them around so they get coated and refrigerate until ready. Any remaining marinade can be thinned with some chicken stock, thickened with cornstarch and used as a tasty sauce over rice or vegetables. Use on the barbecue for best results, but this will also work fine in the oven or broiler. Most of all, try this sauce, it is one of the most classic Chinese marinades and the flavor is positively addicting.
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Can we wait until sundown Monday before putting any more recipes here? Thank you.
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Sorry—it seems like I offended some people. I was referring to the fact that Yom Kippur starts tomorrow night and ends Monday at sundown. That shouldn't matter to most of you. Please resume your regularly-scheduled ranting.
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No can do, Eric, unless you're just cracking a Ramadan joke or something. Please check the index at page top to see any recipes you might have missed.
Glad to be of service, trailing wife, that's my function in this series of threads. I do hope you will consider trying the Philippine sour soup recipe. I don't know if your dietary restrictions permit shellfish or not but the dish will work even with just fish alone, like cod, halibut or tilapia. Anything cut you would use for fish and chips will work in this recipe.
In case anyone missed its being buried in the above char siu marinade instructions, here's the dipping sauce recipe again. At the Chinese restaurants in my area, I'm known for always having my own small bottle of the House Ra Yu sesame chile oil with me. The mixture you get at table in Chinese and Asian restaurants is merely crushed red chiles in soy or cottonseed oil. Few of them could afford to put out roasted sesame oil all of the time. This is why you want to carry your own. I always have a bottle riding around in my car's glove compartment, just to be sure.
Asian Dipping Sauce Dim Sum & Noodle Bowl Condiment
Preparation Time: 5 Minutes
Makes: ~¼ Cup
Ingredients:
4 TBS Soy Sauce (Kikkoman or another good quality brand)
¼ TSP House Ra Yu Sesame Chile Oil (substitute Dynasty Goma Chili Oil if needed.)
Optional:
1 TSP Chopped Scallions (white part only)
1 TSP White Vinegar (or Chinese red vinegar not red wine vinegar)
½ TSP Chopped or Minced Garlic
½ TSP Grated Ginger (a Microplane grater works well for this)
Note: If using all optional ingredients, increase the amount of soy sauce. Try using ponzu sweet soy sauce for an interesting change-up when serving Japanese food.
This makes a delicious dipping sauce for all types of dim sum (those fabulous Chinese dumplings), including egg rolls, pot stickers, gyoza and fried won ton. It also makes a quick condiment to perk up a bowl of soba, saimen or ramen noodles and even just plain old steamed rice.
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I call this Eastern fusion style, as in; The Far East meets the East Coast. This is a super simple condiment for steamed cabbage, cauliflower or broccoli. I invented it on the spot the other night while making my char siu pork chops and it gave a marvelous Chinese note to my steamed cabbage. It makes an interesting accent when these vegetables are served with Asian style foods and will not be too strange for even the most unadventurous American palate. It only takes a minute to make and perks up the flavor of these familiar vegetables.
Fusion Mustard Sauce Asian Style Vegetable Dressing
Preparation Time: 1 Minute
Makes: ~ ½ Cup
Ingredients:
½ Cup Hellmans Mayonnaise (used to be known as Best Foods do not substitute)
1-2 TSP Beaver Brand Hot Chinese Mustard (or other very hot Chinese mustard)
Preparation:
Add hot mustard to Mayonnaise one teaspoon at a time to taste. Thoroughly blend ingredients and serve over steamed vegetables.
Note: For regular American food like corned beef and cabbage, this same recipe, using regular yellow prepared mustard or any other type of your choice, makes a wonderful condiment. For extra richness, carefully blend the Mayonnaise one teaspoon at a time with equal parts sour cream before adding the mustard.
Look for Benedict to raise more forcefully and publicly the plight of Christians and other minorities in the Muslim world. In the case of Saudi Arabia, for instance, lack of reciprocity means that theres not a single church (or publicly-acknowledged Christian cleric) in the kingdom while Saudi money funded a gargantuan $30 million mosque in Rome erected several years ago with the Vaticans tacit consent. But the situation is actually far more dire, since at least one million Christian expatriates working in Saudi Arabia (many are Filipinos and south Asians) are prohibited even from private worship, much less any public expression of their faith (such as wearing a crucifix or even possessing a Bible). These unfortunates whose plight I became familiar with while living and working in Jordan are denied any pastoral care whatsoever in circumstances that the local bishop (based elsewhere, of course) rightly called reminiscent of the catacombs.
Fourth, Benedict quite delicately raises the pressing question of who exactly speaks for Islam. He observes that the September 25 meeting was attended by religious authorities on the Catholic side and political leaders on the Muslim side.
Not only does the pope have no counterpart in the Muslim world, theres nothing remotely equivalent to the Roman Catholic episcopal hierarchy and ordained priesthood....
Not only does the pope have no counterpart in the Muslim world, theres nothing remotely equivalent to the Roman Catholic episcopal hierarchy and ordained priesthood (though Irans unique religio-political set-up bears some surface resemblances). At the same time, there are Muslim clerics who play enormously important political roles, either directly or indirectly (consider the respective roles of Iraqs Abdul Azziz al-Hakim and Grand Ayatollah Ali Hussein al-Sistani, for instance). In fact, one of Italys most respected and perceptive columnists, the Egyptian-born Magdi Allam, gently chided the pope for in effect mixing apples and oranges (link in Italian). But meeting with Muslim diplomats accredited to the Holy See is a better approach than presuming to pick and choose among Muslim clerical leaders.
Finally, its relevant that the Holy Father has begun to install prelates in whom he has confidence at the highest levels of the Roman curia. This may seem like inside baseball, but personnel is policy. Earlier this month Benedict installed two prelates now serving in effect as his prime minister and foreign minister. Relations with the Muslim world were just one factor in these selections, but that was decidedly not the case with Benedicts earlier replacement of the midlevel long cleric responsible for dialogue with Islam (a British prelate widely regarded as overly accommodating). Look for much closer coordination regrettably absent in the past between Vatican officials responsible for inter-religious dialogue and Vatican diplomats responsible for state-to-state relations between the Holy See and Muslim-majority states.
Perhaps the Muslim diplomats gathered at Castel Gandolfo this week were expecting some further expression of regret for the reaction of their co-religionists to the Regensburg remarks. What they got instead is a challenge.
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Sure - AFAIK that's how it works in SlammyLand. Anyone can open a "moskkk" and declare himself an imam. If people show up and listen, then it is so.
Not far from the compound where I lived in al Khobar some guy with a Mo complex put up a little shack and installed a PA system - and went into business. I remember rather well his first day - waking me up with his 4:00 AM call to prayers. He was still at it when I left, though I can't say how many "followers" he had. I presume that, at some point, the mutawas come around to certify him or something. But it appears you can hang out a shingle and get to wailing if you're into it.
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.com - that doesn't sound much different than the unaffiliated or primitive Baptists out in the countryside around here. Or the city storefront Bible churches. I had a relative some years back who built & ran a church but never even attended high school, much less a religious seminary. Of course, I don't believe he advocated chopping the heads off those who went to different churches.
That would be Jesus. And that is pretty much the problem in a nutshell isn't it? I mean if you look at what Jesus said, it's all pretty good, works well, keeps pretty much everybody happy. But if we look at what Mohammed said in the Koran ....... that whole Religion of Peace thing starts to break down on us.
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"I mean if you look at what Jesus said, it's all pretty good, works well, keeps pretty much everybody happy. But if we look at what Mohammed said in the Koran ....... that whole Religion of Peace thing starts to break down on us"
Illustrated:
Mohammed was the prophet of war; Christ is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6-7).
Mohammed's disciples killed for the faith; Christ's disciples were killed for their faith (Acts 12:2; 2 Timothy 4:7).
Mohammed promoted persecution against the "infidels"; Christ forgave and converted the chief persecutor (1 Timothy 1:13-15).
Mohammed was the taker of life; Christ was the giver of life (John 10:27-28).
Mohammed and his fellow warriors murdered thousands; Christ murdered none but saved many (compare John 12:48).
Mohammed's method was COMPULSION; Christ's aim was voluntary CONVERSION (Acts 3:19).
Mohammed practiced FORCE; Christ preached FAITH (John 6:29, 35).
Mohammed was a WARRIOR; Christ is a DELIVERER (Col. 1:13; 1 Thessalonians 1:10).
Mohammed conquered his enemies with the sword; Christ conquered his enemies with another kind of sword, the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God (Hebrews 4:12; Acts 2:37).
Mohammed said to the masses, "Convert or die!"; Christ said, "Believe and live!" (John 6:47; 11:25-26).
Mohammed was swift to shed blood (Romans 3:15-17); Christ shed His own blood for the salvation of many (Ephesians 1:7).
Mohammed preached "Death to the infidels!"; Christ prayed "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34).
Mohammed declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels; Christ achieved a holy victory on Calvary's cross (Colossians 2:14-15) and His followers share in that victory (John 16:33).
Mohammed constrained people by conquest; Christ constrained people by love (2 Corinthians 5:14).
Modern terrorists derive their inspiration from Mohammed and carry out their despicable atrocities in the name of his god; Christians derive their inspiration from the One who said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" (Matthew 5:9).
Modern day disciples of Mohammed respond to the terrorist attacks by cheering in the streets; Modern day disciples of Christ are deeply grieved at past atrocities carried out by those who were "Christians" in name only (the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc.).
Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do not strictly follow the teachings of their founder; Many Christians are peaceful and peace-loving because they do strictly follow the teachings of their Founder (Romans 12:17-21).
Mohammed said the Koran is authoritative only in Arabic, and only in his dialect; The Bible is authoritative in many languages around the world, for God knows all things and can inspire (and preserve) His Word in more than one language.
Mohammed hated music; Jesus and His disciples sang hymns, and the Apostle commanded the Lord's Church to sing. (Matthew 26:30, Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16).
Mohammed allowed that a Mullah, Imam, or Mufti of Islam can be a terrorist and an amoral animal like Osama bin Laden; The Bible requires that a leader in the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ must be above reproach, and when this is not true, Christians demand such a fallen leader be removed from leadership. (1 Timothy 3:1-7, 5:19-20).
Islam calls on its followers to observe Five Pillars, while all other aspects of life can be vulgar and not affect the Muslim's prospects in Paradise. The Bible calls on the Christian to submit to the total change of his life by the Spirit of God -- NO area of life and thought is the choice of the follower. (Romans 12:1-2).
The Muslim looks forward to eternity in Paradise where there will be virgins who are used for eternal perpetual copulation.
The Bible believing Christian looks forward to being with Jesus Christ and is delighted with that. (2 Corinthians 5:8).
Mohammed said the witness of a woman was half the value of the witness of a man; and Muhammed said a woman goes to Paradise because she satisfies her husband sexually; The Bible teaches that a husband is to love his wife and be willing to die for her. (Ephesians 5:25).
Mohammed called upon his servants to fight; Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world; if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight . . . but now is My kingdom not from hence" (John 18:36).
Mohammed ordered death to the Jews (see A. Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad, Oxford University Press [1975], p. 369); Christ ordered that the gospel be preached "to the Jew first" (Romans 1:16).
The Koran says, "Fight in the cause of Allah" (Qu'ran 2.244); The Bible says, "we wrestle not against flesh and blood" and "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal" (Ephesians 6:12; 2 Corinthians 10:4).
The Koran says, "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them" (Qu'ran 9.5); Christ said, "Preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15).
The Koran says, "I will inspire terror into the hearts of unbelievers" (Qu'ran 8.12); God inspires His terror into the hearts of believers (Isaiah 8:13).
The Koran (Qu'ran) is a terrorist manual which condones fighting, conflict, terror, slaughter, and genocide against those who do not accept Islam; The Bible is a missionary manual to spread the gospel of peace to all the world (Romans 10:15).
Mohammed's Mission was to conquer the world for Allah; Christ's mission was to conquer sin's penalty and power by substitutionary atonement (2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 3:18).
Mohammed considered Christ a good prophet; Christ pronounced (in His statement on many false prophets arising) Mohammed to be a false prophet (John 10:10; Matthew 24:11).
Mohammed claimed that there was but one God, Allah; Christ claimed that He was God (John 10:30-31; John 8:58-59; John 5:18; John 14:9).
Islam is geocentric, that is, the whole universe is centered on the Kaaba in the Grand Mosque in Mecca in Arabia, and all Muslims pray facing that direction; Jesus Christ is the center of all Christian worship and fellowship, for He is "in the midst" where his saints meet anywhere on earth. (Matthew 18:20, John 4:22-23).
Mohammed's Tomb: OCCUPIED! Christ's tomb: EMPTY!
Islam must be received, or you can be killed for rejecting it:
The Faith offered by Jesus Christ is for "whosoever will" to receive, and all men are permitted to reject it. (Revelation 22:17, John 3:16).
Those who leave Islam are killed in most Islamic nations; Those who leave the true Church of Jesus Christ are allowed to do so with no revenge.
Now, is a Muslim submitted to Allah and Islam because he loves Allah? NO!
He dare not leave Islam, and he is loyal purely out of fear.
The true Bible believer is loyal to Jesus Christ purely out of love. 1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. (John 4:19) We love him, because he first loved us.
This concept is 100% alien to Islam -- There is no love in Islam -- Only fear and hate.
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Excerpt:
"Mohammed tries to persuade us that the Koran is just as scriptural as the Torah and the Gospels. He tries to make it seem as if the Torah and the Gospels and the Koran are equal parts in a threefold plan of divine revelation to humankind. Why? The most effective way to win individuals over to your way of thinking is to, first, tell them what they already believe is true (so you don't alienate them) and, second, slowly persuade them that what they don't yet know or understand can be provided for, or answered by, your doctrines: the wolf-in-shepherd's-clothing approach, so to speak."
"Jesus instructed us to love our enemies, to revile not when reviled, to forgive those who despitefully use us, and to refrain from judgment (the condemnation of our peers). Hear what Mohammed had to say on those topics:
"O believers, prescribed for you is retaliation, touching the slain; freeman for freeman, slave for slave, female for female . . . In retaliation there is life for you, men possessed of minds; haply you will be godfearing."Surah II (35)
"And fight in the way of God with those who fight with you. . . . And slay them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; [your own] persecution is more grievous than slaying [others]."Surah II (36)
"Whoso commits aggression against you, do you commit aggression against him like as he has committed against you . . . "Surah II (37)
"Prescribed for you is fighting, though it be hateful to you."Surah II (38)
" . . . take not to yourselves friends of them [the disbelievers] until they emigrate in the way of God; then, if they turn their backs, take them, and slay them wherever you find them . . . "Surah IV (39)
"This is the recompense of those who fight against God and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they shall be slaughtered, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall alternately be struck off, or they shall be banished from the land."Surah V (40)
"Fight them [the unbelievers], till there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely."Surah VIII (41)
"It is not for any Prophet to have prisoners until he make wide slaughter in the land."Surah III (42)
"Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush."Surah IX (43)
"Fight those who believe not in God and the Last Day."Surah IX (44)
"And fight the unbelievers totally even as they fight you totally; and know that God is with the godfearing."Surah IX (45)
"O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you, and let them find in you a harshness; and know that God is with the Godfearing."Surah IX (46)
"The recompense of evil is evil the like of it . . . "Surah XLII (47)
"When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads."Surah XLVII (48)
"Mohammed is the Messenger of God, and those who are with him are hard against the unbelievers, merciful one to another."Surah XLVIII (49)
"Thou shalt not find any people who believe in God and the Last Day who are loving to anyone who opposes God and His Messenger."Surah LVIII (50)
"O Prophet, struggle with the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be thou harsh with them."
Surah LXVI (51)
"It should be clear that the literature of Mohammed is hateful, encouraging people to live both in fear and by the sword in judgment of one another. Compare the preceding quotations with the following instructions given by the Christ:
"But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye: for sinners also love those that love them. And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do the same. And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. Judge not, and ye shall not be judged, condemn not, and ye shall not be comdemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete, withal it shall be measured to you again."Luke 6:27-38
"Having compared the previous passage with those immediately preceding it, which one of the two --- Jesus or Mohammed --- do you think is the true witness of the loving Father?"
"Considering what is written in the Koran, there should be little wonder why Bibles are not allowed into countries over which the banner of Islam flies. The people of those nations might be able to read:
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"Have you ever read the Koran? It is a book that has influenced almost as many people as the Bible. It is a book that has contributed to the shaping of world history. And it is a book that will greatly influence the events of these last days. If you haven't, I recommend that you read it, but only after having first read the Bible. Why? Though you may be able to spot the absurdities in the Koran you will not be able to see through the subtle elements of its powerful deception unless you first come to know and understand real scripture. Sure, it may take a while before you finish both, but don't you think you owe it to your own soul to at least look for the truth?
The whole premise is folly, you say? Then, consider this: If what I was writing supposedly unmasked the deceptions and myths of the Bible, how many people would really care? And of those who would care, how many Christian believers would take it upon themselves to physically silence me? Though some might feel wounded and perhaps tempted to do me hurt, I believe that I would be able to pass through a crowd of them without harm. Could I say the same about Moslem believers if what I wrote defamed the Koran? No, it is dangerous to speak out against them, their society, their prophet, and their so-called holy book. Few adherents of Islam tolerate any ideas other than their own, let alone dissent. Magnanimity is just not a principle by which they operate.
In the spirit of ecumenism and religious tolerance or just not caring, many today have adopted a live-and-let-live attitude about spiritual beliefs. I, too, believe that there should be a freedom of choice concerning the way we define the Creator to ourselves and the way we worship. However, it behooves us to be aware that not everyone shares such democratic ideals. In fact, very few do. There are those who would rob us of that right.
Until recently, Christians were most concerned about the threat that Communism posed to religious freedom. To them I say, you won't know real religious persecution until the Mohammedans have arrived. Mohammedans are opposed to religions other than their own because they feel they are a blasphemy to Allah --- a blasphemy which is to be punishable by them, at that."
This was supposedly written in 1981 and 1989, that is, pre-9/11. I can vouche that this has been on the web since before 9/11, c. 1999. I came upon it when the topic of concern to me was "the end times", specifically. I was reading the Revelations at the time. Considering recent events and those of the last few years, it seems someone had a clue even way back then. Interesting.
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Did Jesus actually write anything down? I mean, the Gospels are actually written by others, saying what they thought they heard Jesus say. OK, there's the divine inspiration thing, but it's still not Jesus' actual handwriting. And that might be a good thing.
Contrast: If there were a movement to to reform Islam, it would run up against the actual words of Mohammed (BIH). Any attempt at interpretation will be yanked up on a short leash. He actually wrote the vicious and evil thoughts in the Koran. You can't say that some third party misunderstood him.
We are going to have to find a way out of this mess. I really don't know what the answer is going to be. As America wakes up and gets a clue, I can only wonder what the actual collision is going to be like. I'm someone who believes that the majority of Muslim people would gladly just join the western world if only their mosques would lead the way. But it is becoming clear that that isn't gonna happen. So where does that leave us? I don't buy the idea that we are going to suddenly turn on the Muslim women and kiddies and I pray to God that we don't.
I think that the only logical next step that we can take will be loyalty oaths and deportations of those who incite. We need to make enticement to violence a crime- but that's going to really cause some problems since the Koran is an encitement to violence. But at the very least we can start enforcing the deportment and closure of individuals and mosques that incite jihad. And anyone who trains abroad in a foreign army can be denied return.
It is too bad that the stupid liberals will fight all of these common sense ideas because they could possibly defuse the bloody blow of the head on collision of East meets West.
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Jackal I think you're mistaken. Mo was illiterate. He could neither read or write. Big oral tradition in ancient Araby. Mo spoke his BS and his words were passed on and on down the line until someone came along to record them. In that sense there is a parallel between the New Testament and the koran. If anybody is telling you Mo wrote down the words as they were "revealed" to him, then someone is pulling your leg.
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heh - I guess I should have clarified I only knew that was correct about Jesus.
There were 12 apostles who Jesus sent out to teach the gospel: Simon Peter, Andrew, John, James (john's brother), Philip Bartholomew, Thomas, Matthew, James Thaddaeus, James, Thaddaeus, Simon, and Judas. Matthias was chosen in place of Judas. It is also common to speak of the founder of the Christian Church in a country as the apostle of the country - Gregor of Armenia, Boniface of the Germans, Augustine of the English, St. Patrick of Ireland, Columba of the Scots Cuthbert of Northumbria and St. Denis of France.
I always got confused between disciples and apostles. Apostles can be called disciples but apostles generally refer to these twelve. The word "apostle" is the closest approximation to the Aramaic word "seliah," which referred to "those who were despatched from the mother city by the rulers of the race on any foreign mission, especially such as were charged with collecting the tribute paid
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Mo was illiterate. He could neither read or write. Big oral tradition in ancient Araby.
Yes, there was a strong oral tradition in and around Mecca. 'Quran' as a word is usually traced to the Arabic root meaning 'to recite', with a grammatical form that implies 'with diligence, devotion'.
That said, there is a significant group of western scholars who dispute the assumption that Mohammed was illiterate. Some degree of literacy was common in Mecca before and during his time. As the Arab Muslims conquered large territories quickly, however, the intricacies of the language were blurred down just as the New Testament koine Greek is a vast simplification of classical Greek, with many borrowed words. Hence interpretation of the text (which remained in the old language) became increasingly important. The desert tribes who preserved much of the old forms of the language played an important role as those who were familiar only with the newer form of the language tried to interpret/translate the old text. One wonders how much that led to the Wahabism of today.
This is a complete and total fisking of Islamic "leaders" and their stance on (Islamic) violence and agresssion. I especially enjoyed his 'leak' on the provence questions about Mo and the Koran. The whole issue of declaring certainty on all of the precepts of Islam just shows that they (muzzies) realize the underpinnings of Islam are faulty and if exposed, would lead to the collapse of this "religion".
I'm sorry ...... for the terrible crimes committed by Muslims
By SALIM MANSUR
In a recent column, Michael Coren, my colleague here at the Sun, demanded Muslims apologize for wrongs too numerous to list. Coren is right. I, as a Muslim, apologize without equivocation or reservation for the terrible crimes -- small and big -- committed by Muslims against non-Muslims and against Muslims, as in Darfur, who are weak and easy prey to those who hold power in the name of Islam. WOW
I imagine, however, Coren is not seeking an apology from a person of Muslim faith such as I, who maintains no rank and cannot speak on behalf of the institutionalized world of Islam.
Like many others who share his frustration and legitimate anger, Coren is asking to hear a contrite voice from within institutionalized Islam -- to repent for Muslim misconduct, past and present, that is indefensible by any standard of civility and decency, and seek forgiveness. Gosh, wouldn't that be nice to see. An actual moderate Muslim.
But Coren and others might well wait indefinitely for such an apology from those representatives of institutionalized Islam convinced of their own righteousness, even as they are engineers of a civilization's wreckage and prosper in it by the art of bullying. Fatwa on him in 5...4...3...2...
Muslims and non-Muslims often point to the fact there is no Vatican in contemporary Islam -- no figure like the Pope or the Archbishop of Canterbury who authoritatively represents the Muslim world. This is only partly true, for the lack of a Pope-like figure among Muslims does not mean an absence of an institutionalized setting operative in the Muslim world.
From the earliest years of post-Prophetic Islam, Muslims holding the power of the sword and what constitutes the authoritative meaning of the Koran and the prophet's traditions, have rigged the boundaries of institutionalized Islam. The wielders of the sword and interpreters of faith have worked in tandem to impose their consensus on all Muslims, and those who have questioned their authority have paid a steep price. WOW. I hope this isn't his death warrant to the jihadis. I have to believe he knows the risk and has decided to take it. Color me impressed, very.
This institutionalized reality of Islam and its resulting complexity are not well understood by non-Muslims. Institutionalized Islam is represented by Muslim majority states and their political and religious leaders who share a consensus on matters of politics and faith. Below institutionalized Islam's scrutiny exists a vast unaccounted number of Muslims who seek anonymity to escape the coercive notice of authorities in mosques and in presidential or monarchical palaces. Their voices, were they heard, would be rudely dismissed as heretical. WOW. Like a modern-day Illuminati. Total societal control shared by the political and religious rulers for their own personal benefit. A religion explicitly designed to control the masses for the benefit of the few. Does Kos know this?
From its beginnings, institutionalized Islam's representatives hollowed out the spiritual content of Islam in the service of political expediency. The inevitable followed -- politics dressed in the robes of religion. Fatwa issued by now. I hope the RCMP has good bodyguards assigned to him.
The faces of institutionalized Islam -- political leaders such as Egypt's Hosni Mubarak or religious leaders such as Lebanon's Hasan Nasrallah -- are revealing of what politics have done to faith. Within the Arab Sunni world the Egyptian-born Sheikh Qaradawi, 80, of Qatar, is the face of institutionalized Islam. He is the closest to what might pass for a titular head of Muslims akin to the Pope. Qaradawi's words, now broadcast by television network al-Jazeerah, are taken as authoritative pronouncements of Islam. He is the "spiritual" leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, a movement formed to repudiate freedom and democracy, and a defender of Islam's war against the West by any means, including suicide bombings. Completely loony muzzie windbag, full of rightous zeal when most muslims just want vaccines for their kids to live better, not 'fight in the way of allen'. Only the assholish, barbaric muzzie spit leaders want a war, but only for their own personal power and aggrandizement.
For such representatives of institutionalized Islam, all things are political. They are the authoritative guardians of the ideology that in Islam religion and politics are inseparable, and jihad -- holy war -- is its defining aspect.
Hence, since this institutionalized Islam is at war with the West, for Coren or anyone else to expect an apology from its generals is rather naive. I read him reguarly as one of the few sensible and logical Muslims along with Ajami and Phares.
HT to Powerline
Today's Democrats are nothing like Presidents Roosevelt, Truman and Kennedy, who with courage and decisive action kept on top of their jobs and aggressively confronted one national defense crisis after another.
Jimmy Carter, elected during the Cold War with the Soviet Union, and (1) believing Americans had an inordinate fear of communism, (2) lifted U.S. citizens' travel bans to Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and Cambodia and (3) pardoned draft evaders.
President Carter (4) also stopped B-1 bomber production, (5) gave away our strategically located Panama Canal and (6) made human rights the central focus of his foreign policy.
That led Carter, a Democrat, (7) to make a monumental miscalculation and withdraw U.S. support for our long-standing Mideast military ally, the Shah of Iran. (8) Carter simply didn't like the Shah's alleged mistreatment of imprisoned Soviet spies.
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Today's Democrats are nothing like Presidents Roosevelt, Truman and Kennedy...
That's because, in the historical context of the Donks listed, the current crop would have been open Communists or Socialists and not Donks. Donks like Senator and Vice President Hubert Humphrey, while promoting classical liberal agendas, went after the neo-communists in his own party. The left paid him back in 1968 doing to him what they are now trying to do to Lieberman. In the great Karma of life, the left insured Nixon's election. Today they're working just as hard to keep the Trunks in. Being a lefty means never having to learn.
a long anti-Perv whine. Posted because of this nugget about General Mushaf Mir, who the Pak journalist Amir Mir says had knowledge of 9/11
The report said in the wake of 9/11, Pakistan Air Force (PAF) chief, Air Chief Marshal Mushaf Mir, was questioned at a very high level meeting in the federal capital about PAF air defence capabilities.
The report quoted the PAF chief as having bluntly stated that the air force would be eliminated in less than half an hour in case the US chose to attack Pakistan. This report is yet to be denied. There is no reason why its contents should not be believed, irrespective of how bitter and unpleasant the reality may be. Air Chief Marshal Mushaf Mir, along with his wife, was after sometime killed in an aircraft crash near Kohat.
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Less than a year ago, mass protests and often violent reactions followed the publication of satirical cartoons in Denmark. A Danish newspaper had printed several unflattering depictions of the Muslim prophet Mohamed. Demonstrators turned violent, attacking and setting fire to Danish embassies and threatening the lives of Danes around the world. Many European newspapers refused, for fear of a similar backlash, to reprint the cartoons. Several European governments distanced themselves from the cartoons and a French supermarket chain went so far as to remove Danish products from its shelves in Arabic countries.
Now the Pope Benedict XVI has caused a similar, though slightly less violent, uproar. The head of the Catholic church quoted a 14th century Byzantine emperor, which characterised Islam as a religion of the sword. The Popes lecture, held at Regensburg university during his recent trip to Germany, prompted several Islamic religious leaders to call for the Popes murder. Shortly thereafter, an Italian Nun was murdered by radical Islamists in Somalia. Pope Benedict tried to assuage tempers by expressing regret at the reaction to his words, saying his message had been misunderstood. He said he never had the intention of insulting Islam.
The dialog between Christians and Muslims was always difficult and made infinitely more so by the events of September 11th, 2001. This week, the German government invited representatives from several Islamic groups to attend a conference on Islam being held in Berlin. But some observers suggest there is little hope for dialog that could lead to understanding between Christians and Muslims. They say western values such as freedom of expression, the press and of religion just dont count for much in the Islamic world. Offering any critical views of Islam, they say, almost automatically evokes violent reactions. The protests following the Popes lecture in Germany, seem to prove them right.
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What would happen if some Iman slipped up and said that OJ was guilty?
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This deserves the "Another Blasted Conference" graphic, methinks. Jaw-Jaw. Yep, that's the ticket.
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I'd love to see some sort of not-too-graphic graphic depicting skinless people in a sandpaper world. Something like a nudist camp being raided by porcupines.
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The only thing the West is losing is its nerve. We are slavishly deferential to Muslims. They should be our pets. Let them eat pork from Mr Wu's farm ("Deadwood" fans will understand).
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We're not losing anything, we've killed 50,000 of the buggerers and still going strong. We've overthrown two governments, weakened a lot more and will be looking at the end game in a couple of years. The muslim world is in disarray, riddled with infighting and cannot continue the way that they are. How are we losing? Our civilization hasn't really changed that much at all. What has changed for an American since 9/11? You can't bring a small knife on a plane anymore, yippie. Now, what has changed in the Middle east? Parts of it are unrecognizable from what they were a few years ago.
...And of course there is Iran. Ms. Rice notes that, until recently, the State Department didn't actually have an Iran desk, which she reads (in an implicit rebuke of her predecessors) as evidence of a blinkered, bureaucratic mindset that thinks of foreign relations as "those with whom you do relations rather than . . . policy." She also says the U.S. will set up an Iran section in Dubai, modeled on the famous "Riga Station" the U.S. maintained in Latvia to monitor the Soviet Union before diplomatic relations were established in the 1930s. "We have to increase our capability to mine resources and intelligence about Iran. And one of the challenges is that we haven't been in the country for 26 years. And you would be surprised what it does to both your diplomatic and intelligence capability to not be in the country."
During another point in the conversation, she observes that the Soviet Union tested an atomic bomb five years before the West thought they would have one. This raises the question of whether the West can afford to take its time with Iran. "Well, the problem is of course that you never know what you don't know," she says.
But that sits somewhat incongruously with her broader approach to the Iranian challenge. "The international system will agree on a level of pressure. I think it will evolve over time." She opposes measures such as barring Iranians from international sports events or a gasoline embargo (to which Iran is particularly vulnerable, since it imports 40% of its refined gas), because of their "bad effect on the Iranian people." Instead, she stresses the benefits of a consensual, U.N.-centered approach, says the Europeans have been "very strong on this," and adds that she's had "very good discussions" with the Chinese and the Russians about what a sanctions resolution would look like if the Iranians don't suspend enrichment. She thinks even a comparatively weak resolution would have "collateral effects on the willingness of private companies, private banks, to do business with Iran." She hopes it will have an effect on Iranian officials who "do not want to endure the kind of isolation that they're headed toward." Do these people even exist? "I do not believe we're going to find Iranian moderates," she says. "The question is, are we going to find Iranian reasonables?"
That's an interesting way of framing the matter, although perhaps not quite in the way Ms. Rice intends. There are, in fact, Iranian moderates: They are the 80% of the people who oppose the regime. The House has just approved the Iran Freedom Act, which says the U.S. should "support peaceful pro-democracy forces in Iran," and mirrors the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act that became a precursor to regime change there. President Bush used the occasion of his speech to the U.N. General Assembly to speak directly to the Iranian people, telling them "the greatest obstacle to [your] future is that your rulers have chosen to deny you liberty and to use your nation's resources to fund terrorism, and fuel extremism and pursue nuclear weapons." The State Department itself has increased its budget for supporting Voice of America radio and TV broadcasts in Farsi. What's telling is that Ms. Rice mentions none of this: Her primary method for dealing with the Iranian regime, it seems, is to deal with the regime, not to seek to change it.
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I think Condi fully understands the Iranian regime and the dynamics of the situation. Like North Korea, a nuclear Iran is a region threat not a threat to the US homeland. A strong arm approach by the US will only rally global support for the Iranians. The best course for the US is to let Iran continue to scare the hell out of its neighbors and especially Europe. If Iran attacks the West it well attack Europe not the US. Europe has a border that is easily infiltrated and government and populations that would respond quite differently to an attack than the US would - ala Spain.
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Hose, you gotta be joking. If you meant "regional" threat, and not a threat to the US, try applying that to Saddam/Iraq. I presume you thought Saddam more than a regional threat?
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Look for Benedict to raise more forcefully and publicly the plight of Christians and other minorities in the Muslim world. In the case of Saudi Arabia, for instance, lack of reciprocity means that theres not a single church (or publicly-acknowledged Christian cleric) in the kingdom while Saudi money funded a gargantuan $30 million mosque in Rome erected several years ago with the Vaticans tacit consent. But the situation is actually far more dire, since at least one million Christian expatriates working in Saudi Arabia (many are Filipinos and south Asians) are prohibited even from private worship, much less any public expression of their faith (such as wearing a crucifix or even possessing a Bible). These unfortunates whose plight I became familiar with while living and working in Jordan are denied any pastoral care whatsoever in circumstances that the local bishop (based elsewhere, of course) rightly called reminiscent of the catacombs.
Less than a year ago, mass protests and often violent reactions followed the publication of satirical cartoons in Denmark. A Danish newspaper had printed several unflattering depictions of the Muslim prophet Mohamed. Demonstrators turned violent, attacking and setting fire to Danish embassies and threatening the lives of Danes around the world. Many European newspapers refused, for fear of a similar backlash, to reprint the cartoons. Several European governments distanced themselves from the cartoons and a French supermarket chain went so far as to remove Danish products from its shelves in Arabic countries. 
