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-Short Attention Span Theater-
Portraits of America
Jay Nordlinger, "Impromptus" @ National Review

* Longtime and regular readers of this column may remember that I was absolutely besotted with Spellbound, the 2002 documentary about the spelling bee. In addition to being a near-perfect film, this was a hymn to America.

Just when you're down about this country -- its ability to absorb immigrants, its ability to assimilate, and even its ability to inspire joy -- you read about the spelling bee. I read this the other day (in this article):

One other returning finalist remained in the competition. Kavya Shivashankar, 12, of Olathe, Kan., stayed alive by spelling the agricultural term "Krummholz."

For comic relief, there was Easun Arunachalam, who has a habit of treating every word as if it were the strangest thing he's ever heard. The 11-year-old from La Crescenta, Calif., blurted "What?" when presented with the chemical compound "benzophenone." After asking the usual spate of questions -- definition, word origin, alternate pronunciations -- Easun spelled the word flawlessly.

Then there was Jahnavi Iyer, who pondered the medical term "solidungulate" until she finally asked, "Could I have an easier word, please?" . . . The 14-year-old from Enola, Pa., took a guess, nailed every letter, and trotted back to her seat with arms raised in celebration.

I love it, I love it.

* America is a country that has a girl named Kavya Shivashankar spelling "Krummholz." To say a third time: I love it.

* . . . A reader sent me the text of an ad for Harley-Davidson. It contains many a point that people like us -- Reagan conservatives -- would wish to make. I swear, Paul Johnson could have written it! Here goes:

We don't do fear. Over the last 105 years in the saddle, we've seen wars, conflicts, depression, recession, resistance, and revolutions. But every time, this country has come out stronger than before. We've watched a thousand hand-wringing pundits disappear in our rearview mirror. Chrome and asphalt put distance between you and whatever the world can throw at you. Freedom and wind outlast hard times. And the rumble of an engine drowns out all the spin on the evening news. If 105 years have proved one thing, it's that fear sucks, and it doesn't last long. So screw it. Let's ride.
Posted by: Mike || 06/02/2008 09:13 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Note to the Transnationals/Socialist - they're spelling in English. If Indians and Asians [the new Whites] can do it, why can't the rest of our new and old arrivals?
Posted by: Procopius2k || 06/02/2008 10:13 Comments || Top||

#2  "We don't do fear. Over the last 105 years in the saddle, we've seen wars, conflicts, depression, recession, resistance, and revolutions. But every time, this country has come out stronger than before. We've watched a thousand hand-wringing pundits disappear in our rearview mirror. Chrome and asphalt put distance between you and whatever the world can throw at you. Freedom and wind outlast hard times. And the rumble of an engine drowns out all the spin on the evening news. If 105 years have proved one thing, it's that fear sucks, and it doesn't last long. So screw it. Let's ride."

I love it! I'm making that my new motto.

(Well, except for the donorcycle part - I'll ride in my CRV, thankewverymuch. ;-p)
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/02/2008 11:38 Comments || Top||

#3  That's why I have moved (in a lateral move!) from mil/political blogging, to writing historical novels. I was overtaken with this conviction that we needed to take back our history, to remember who we really are, to remember who our ancestors were, and were we came from, to recall again what they endured and overcame.

We need to take back our stories and ourselves.

(insert shameless personal plug here - my trilogy about the German immigrant settlements in the Texas Hill Country will be avilable in December, 2008 - from Booklocker.com and from another small POD publisher of western novels who has offered me assistance.)

We need to to remember who we are and where we came from. To claim our history back from the parasites who have taken over the telling of it, who have reduced it to the usual politically-correct Oprahfied garbage that it has become.
I have a feeling that in the next couple of years, this will be something that we will need very much. It is a matter of survival, to claim back our stories.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 06/02/2008 18:53 Comments || Top||

#4  A BIG AMEN to Sgt. Mom. That's one reason I am a Civil War reenactor. It's astounding the number of people who have no idea of our Country's foundations and what Freedom really means.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 06/02/2008 19:02 Comments || Top||


Down Under
Credit where it's due
Link fixed. AoS.
There is a teenaged immaturity about the rest of the world's relationship with the US. Whenever a serious crisis erupts somewhere, our dependence on the US becomes obvious, and many hate the US because of it. That the hatred is irrational is beside the point.

We can denounce the Yanks for being Muslim-hating flouters of international law while demanding the US rescue Bosnian Muslims from Serbia without UN authority. We can be disgusted by crass American materialism and ridiculous stockpiling of worldly goods yet also be the first to demand material help from the US when disaster strikes.

The really unfortunate part about this adolescent love-hate relationship with the US is that, unlike most teenagers, many never seem to grow out of it. Within each new generation is a vicious strain of irrational anti-Americanism. But unlike a parent, the US could just get sick of it all and walk away.

The US has had isolationist periods in the past and it must be enormously tempted sometimes to have another one soon. The consequences of that possibility deserve some serious thought. If the neighbours worry about Russian bullying over oil and gas, just imagine a Russia unfettered by a US military presence in Europe. How long would South Korea, Israel or Taiwan last if the US decided it wanted to spend on itself the money it presently devotes to military spending in the Middle East and Asia?

None of this is to say the US does not deserve loud and frequent criticism. No country has as many or as strident critics - internally and externally - as the US. The US actually promotes such debate. But just occasionally we should moderate that criticism when circumstances demand a dose of fairness.

Indeed, why not break into a standing ovation every now and again? As more US C-130s and helicopters stand waiting on Burma's doorstep, desperate to help a shattered populace and stymied only by an appalling anti-US regime, this is one of those times.

Let's hear it for America.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 06/02/2008 14:00 || Comments || Link || [1 views] Top|| File under:

#1  link, please?
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/02/2008 15:19 Comments || Top||

#2  I'd swear I'd left it.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 06/02/2008 15:29 Comments || Top||

#3  "the US could just get sick of it all and walk away"

We are already well on that path - liberals nad conservatives both.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/02/2008 22:16 Comments || Top||


Fifth Column
Garrison Keillor Sneers At Patriotic Bikers
Posted by: Anonymoose || 06/02/2008 09:36 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Lileks did a righteous fisking of Keillor in today's "Bleat."

Next time if we could get some thin people who show up for Memorial Day and have a bumpersticker that says I BRAKE FOR AESTHETES on their Segways, or even ASK ME ABOUT MY RUMINATIVE RESPOSE TO AN ENIGMATIC OIL PAINTING WHOSE DRAMATIC CONTORTED FORESHORTENING EMPHASIZES THE PSYCHOLOGICAL MYSTERIES, that would be nice.
Posted by: Mike || 06/02/2008 10:06 Comments || Top||

#2  Typical lib. Saying you can't express your right to free speech while claiming you are infringing theirs.

Hateful little trolls.
Posted by: DarthVader || 06/02/2008 12:07 Comments || Top||

#3  In the tasty bit o' irony category, I ran across a sticker on a car over the weekend that said:
"If only closed minds came with closed mouths."
Posted by: Grenter Protector of the Geats4975 || 06/02/2008 12:19 Comments || Top||

#4  lileks is too soft on keilor on one thing though.

he says they are like Bush in that they are veterans of the armed forces. Yeah, I suppose. But they are UNLIKE Bush in that most actually served IN Viet Nam. Which makes Keilor even sillier about OP Rolling Thunder, if it fails to make the point about Bush that Lileks wants to.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/02/2008 14:53 Comments || Top||

#5  he says they are like Bush in that they are veterans of the armed forces. Yeah, I suppose

I dunno, LH. As a combat vet, I don't look down on somebody who spent their service, say, as a postal clerk in Kansas.

What matters is that they served.
Posted by: Pappy || 06/02/2008 16:44 Comments || Top||

#6  thats your opinion and youre free to hold it, pappy.

When I was a kid during VN, we knew a neighbor who volunteered cause that way he was able to pick a specialty, and he picked something involving tactical nukes. he spent his enlistment in Germany. He was as pleased with how he avoided the walking point in the jungle as anybody with a student deferment, or anything else that got them out. If his wearing a uniform was good enough for you, thats fine. I personally am not sure the moral distinction is that strong, but I can see why vets dont want to get into nitpicking about who served wear - thered be no end to it.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/02/2008 17:58 Comments || Top||

#7  In Keillor's Memorial Day "tributr" he said that people join the Military and put on the uniform and become anonymous. They are not anonymous, every single one has a name and a history. They may be anonymous to Keillor but not to most other people. Especially me. I'm not sure what point he was trying to make. He did say they did their duty (most, anyhow) but that they were unsure about why they were there. That's when I called BS. In Vietnam that may have been true but not for any other military action.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 06/02/2008 19:00 Comments || Top||

#8  As a (mostly peacetime) veteran who spent all of twenty years in the safe confines of a radio studio, very much in the rear with the gear - I don't want to get into one of those "who's got a bigger pair because of what they volunteered for" pissing contests. I knew too many older Vietnam-era vets who said quite plainly that they volunteered for the Air Force because they didn't want to to be in the Vietnam boonies as an Army infantrymen.

And I knew of a couple of Army Air Corps veterans who volunteered for the Air Corps because they didn't want to do the same. One of them is a dear friend, who served a nearly a full combat tour as a B-17 ball-turret gunner in 1944. (Until sidelined by a bit of flack.) The other is my uncle James Menaul, who was killed over Schweinfurt in 1943 at the age of 19. He wanted to serve - but not as an infantryman. And he was in an essential civilan job, so he could have sat out WWII if he wanted to. No, this sort of "my combat balls are bigger than yours" is not a useful concept.
Military veterans have served in all sorts of useful fields, in a variety of wars. A contest regarding who has the bigger pair in that regard is not all that rewarding.
In respect to this particular story - Garrison Kiellor is still a total d**k. Reputedly, a lot of the Rolling Thunder riders are veterans. Which also makes Mr. Keillor look like more of an ignorant, intolerant a**hole.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 06/02/2008 19:40 Comments || Top||

#9  As a (mostly peacetime) veteran who spent all of twenty years in the safe confines of a radio studio, very much in the rear with the gear - I don't want to get into one of those "who's got a bigger pair because of what they volunteered for" pissing contests. I knew too many older Vietnam-era vets who said quite plainly that they volunteered for the Air Force because they didn't want to to be in the Vietnam boonies as an Army infantrymen.

And I knew of a couple of Army Air Corps veterans who volunteered for the Air Corps because they didn't want to do the same. One of them is a dear friend, who served a nearly a full combat tour as a B-17 ball-turret gunner in 1944. (Until sidelined by a bit of flack.) The other is my uncle James Menaul, who was killed over Schweinfurt in 1943 at the age of 19. He wanted to serve - but not as an infantryman. And he was in an essential civilan job, so he could have sat out WWII if he wanted to. No, this sort of "my combat balls are bigger than yours" is not a useful concept.
Military veterans have served in all sorts of useful fields, in a variety of wars. A contest regarding who has the bigger pair in that regard is not all that rewarding.
In respect to this particular story - Garrison Kiellor is still a total d**k. Reputedly, a lot of the Rolling Thunder riders are veterans. Which also makes Mr. Keillor look like more of an ignorant, intolerant a**hole.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 06/02/2008 19:56 Comments || Top||

#10  Sgt Mom loved the: "Which also makes Mr. Keillor look like more of an ignorant, intolerant a**hole." line, that she repeated it. I concur ;-)
Posted by: Frank G || 06/02/2008 20:11 Comments || Top||

#11  I was NAVY, didn't do much, mostly kept the Ship's engine running (Steam turbine,It never gave much trouble) Mostly I scrubbed and cleaned.
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 06/02/2008 21:57 Comments || Top||

#12  A 'Veteran' -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve --
is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made
payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and
including his life.'

That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country today,
who no longer understand that fact.
Posted by: Muggsy Gling || 06/02/2008 22:13 Comments || Top||

#13  "If his wearing a uniform was good enough for you, thats fine. "

Actually LH thats your weakenss - you disrespect the service.

Even Germany service involved doign a lot of crap someone else is telling you to do whether you like it or not, going throught he rigors of boot camp, and if he was workign with nukes, then he had to deal wihtthe hassles that reach FAR Into your private life of the PRP, as well as maintaining proper clearances.

And then there is the constant risk that the Soviets might decide to roll, and all most of USAEUR would have been (prior to about 1984 and the Reagan rebuild) is grease for Soviet tank treads, being tripwires so that the nukes would then fly.

Bush flew one of the toughest interceptor aircraft in the US air defense inventory, and to get past the pilot trianing, plus maintain a solid flight record, you do put your life on the line every time you strap into the aircraft, even today with far safer aircraft.

That is not somtething to belittle and you look like a shithead lefty when you talk like that.

Flying an F-102 in the Guard, or serving as a nuke tech in Germany still takes more guts than running to Canada or burning a draft card or protesting with hippy chicks in a park or university campus.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/02/2008 22:28 Comments || Top||

#14  I didn't serve, and that is my flaw, and disallows me from ever questioning the level of another's >honest service. Note that doesn't include John Fn Kerry's, although the ever-promised release of his records could shut me (and others) up. Why doesn't he? So many SwiftVets's stories could be put to rest. The answer is; because he can't, and still maintain his "story"
Posted by: Frank G || 06/02/2008 22:43 Comments || Top||

#15  You know, it occurs to me that a job like "repairing nuclear weapons" would be the sort of stress-filled task that I'd want to walk point in the jungle to avoid.
Posted by: Abdominal Snowman || 06/02/2008 23:36 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
More details on the "Michelle tape"
Larry Johnson is a hyper-partisan Clintonista, a true child of the pomo Left, and not the most reliable blogger. Let's not assume anything unless and until the video surfaces and is authenticated. AoS.
Larry Johnson @ "No Quarters" blog

I learned over the weekend why the Republicans who have seen the tape of Michelle Obama ranting about “whitey” describe it as “STUNNING.” I have not seen it but I have heard from five separate sources who have spoken directly with people who have seen the tape. It features Michelle Obama and Louis Farrakhan. They are sitting on a panel at Jeremiah Wright’s Church when Michelle makes her intemperate remarks. Whoops!! When that image comes out it will enter the politcal ads hall of fame. It will be right up there with the little girl plucking daisy petals in the famous 1964 ad LBJ used against Barry Goldwater. . . .

In probing those matters we begin to understand that the Nation of Islam has been a critical component of Barack Obama’s base of support. And, I am told, Louis Farrakhan has been careful to use Tony Rezko as the intermediary in his relationship with Barack. This is not guilt by association, this is guilt because of actual relationship. Farrakhan, Wright, and Pfleger are each on tape in various settings spewing the most vile racists garbage in the guise of preaching. Barack Obama, up to this point, has tried to pretend he had no idea that these men had these thoughts or said these things.

NONSENSE!! He knew and he knows. And the gig will be up when the Michelle tape hits the airwaves. One source described how this tape was acquired. Let’s just say that one of the republican candidates who is no longer in the race, but had a dandy oppo research capability, uncovered this gem. If Republican poohbahs have their way the tape will remain on ice until October. But when it comes out, Barack will be permanently branded with the Nation of Islam. That’s not a winning platform in November. And Barack’s bundlers understand this threat. I also have learned some major financial backers are asking the Barack team about the tape and are being stonewalled. It is a wild card in the political campaign that has not yet played out.

So . . . still no tape, still no transcript. Jim Geraghty at National Review's "Campaign Spot" adds:

Roger Stone said on Fox News this weekend that he believes the tape exists, and "a network" has it, for whatever that's worth. (Perhaps more interestingly, Stone says seven news organizations have contacted him asking if he has it.)

I've heard from a reader which cable news program allegedly has it, but I'm waiting for confirmation. . . .

And if a network had it... why would they sit on it? If a right-of-center source had it, are they afraid the superdelegates could shift en masse to Hillary? If so, wouldn't this be held under wraps at least until the Democratic convention?
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#1  N.B.: The expression is "The jig is up", not "The gig is up". Unfortunately this conveys an additional meaning, as featured in the movie "Blazing Saddles".
Posted by: Anonymoose || 06/02/2008 9:54 Comments || Top||

#2  I'll believe it when I see it.
Posted by: DarthVader || 06/02/2008 10:01 Comments || Top||

#3  'moose: I think you've got the wrong Mel Brook's movie.

In History of the World the line is....

" The jig is up!!..........and gone!!!!"
Posted by: AlanC || 06/02/2008 10:02 Comments || Top||

#4  It's defo "gig" in the U.K. at least.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 06/02/2008 10:51 Comments || Top||

#5  This sort of thing underscores my primary concern about the presidential election this year. I'm worried the Dems will pull a bait and switch--and the Hildebeast is counting on it.

Never happen? Just ask Senator Lautenberg, (D) N.J.
Posted by: Iblis || 06/02/2008 13:03 Comments || Top||

#6  Hopefully the tape will come out and Obama will still win but teh damage will have been done so that his numbers nose dive in time for the General Election.

Love or hate McCain I think it's best of the country not to have Democrats sweep the House, Senate and Presidency.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 06/02/2008 13:24 Comments || Top||

#7  I am anxiously awaiting his Michelle version of the Rev. Wright "in the twenty years that I have known him, I never saw any of his blatant racism" speech. first, though, he will need to deliver his "I will not denounce the mother of my children" speech. I believe that he may get more practice with these damage control speeches. Too much of his young adult life has been spent working jointly with people far to radical for main stream folks. MSM, no problem, they will declare his every flaw a positive feature. Main Stream folks, big problem.
Posted by: Thusoper Tojo5736 || 06/02/2008 14:20 Comments || Top||

#8  BHO abandoned half his color. Now he has abandoned his church. Maybe he'll do the same to his wife, and country.
Posted by: Glort the Elder4271 || 06/02/2008 14:47 Comments || Top||

#9  He's already abandoned the country, at least the soldiers that fight for it.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/02/2008 22:15 Comments || Top||

#10  Video of Michelle Obama remarks.
Posted by: Deadeye Spating2038 || 06/02/2008 22:41 Comments || Top||

#11  That video went right over my head.
Posted by: Gladys || 06/02/2008 23:17 Comments || Top||


Tanker Controversy: Questions the AF must answer
By Loren B. Thompson, Ph.D.

It is now three months since the Air Force shocked the world by awarding the contract for its next-generation aerial-refueling tanker to Northrop Grumman and the European parent of Airbus.

Throughout that time, service officials have insisted that the process by which the winner was chosen was transparent and fair. But the service has failed to answer even the most basic questions about how the decision was made to deny the contract to Boeing, the widely favored incumbent. The Government Accountability Office is expected to issue a ruling on Boeing's protest of the outcome in mid-June.

Whatever it finds, the Air Force has some explaining to do...

1. The Air Force says it would cost roughly the same amount to develop, manufacture and operate 179 next-generation tankers, regardless of whether they are based on the Boeing 767 or the Airbus A330. But the Airbus plane is 27% heavier than the Boeing plane, and burns over a ton more fuel per flight hour. With fuel prices headed for the upper stratosphere, how can both planes cost the same amount to build and operate over their lifetimes?

2. The Air Force says it would be equally risky to develop the Boeing tanker or the Airbus tanker -- after forcing Boeing to substantially increase the time and money required to develop its version. But Boeing proposed to build its tanker on the same assembly line where it has already constructed hundreds of the same airframe, whereas Airbus proposes to build its tanker at a plant and with a workforce that don't yet exist in Alabama. How can the risks be equal?

3. The Air Force says that a computerized simulation of how the competing tankers would function in an actual wartime scenario strongly favored the larger Airbus plane. But the simulation assumed longer runways, stronger asphalt and more parking space than actually exists at forward bases, and failed to consider the consequences of losing bases in wartime. How can such unrealistic assumptions be relevant to the selection of a next-generation tanker?

4. The Air Force says the Northrop-Airbus team received higher ratings on past performance than the Boeing team, based on a review of programs deemed similar to the future tanker. But Boeing built all 600 of the tankers in the current Air Force fleet, whereas Northrop and Airbus have never delivered a single tanker equipped with the refueling boom the Air Force requires. How can Northrop and Airbus have superior past performance?

I could go on. The Air Force refused to consider Boeing cost data based on 10,000,000 hours of operating the commercial version of the 767, substituting instead repair costs based on the 50-year-old KC-135 tanker. It said it would not award extra points for exceeding key performance objectives, and then proceeded to award extra points. It said it wanted to acquire a "medium" tanker to replace its cold war refueling planes, and ended up picking a plane twice as big.

Whatever else this process may have been, it definitely was not transparent. Even now, neither of the competing teams really understands why the competition turned out the way it did.

It would be nice to hear from the Air Force about how key tradeoffs were made, because at present it looks like a double standard prevailed in the evaluation of the planes offered by the two teams.
I don't know about the rest of you, but this piece symbolizes what I've known since the shock of the Airbus award became public. There is MUCH MORE we have yet to hear about this contract award process, despite the media. Kudos to Defense-Aerospace for actually posting an article NOT attacking Boeing.
Someone needs to explain why Boeing went with a twenty year old design, the 767, when the newer 777, a plane more comparable to the A330, could have been substituted. I think the Air Force got this one right: they picked the plane better suited to their mission, which is delivering lots of fuel to their jets. Boeing was punished for 1) cheating in the first round (funny this article doesn't mention that) and for 2) being cocky. They should stop crying and start working on the next round of the competition.
Posted by: Ike || 06/02/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [4 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Remember, the French are fighting in Afghanistan now and just announced that they will help with rebuilding Iraq.
Posted by: DK70 the scantily clad || 06/02/2008 0:57 Comments || Top||

#2  They still didn't cut them any slack on their debts, though. Shouldn't that be enough?
Posted by: gorb || 06/02/2008 2:13 Comments || Top||

#3  Waah, waah, we cheated to get this contract and got caught and now we didn't get it! It's so unfaaaair!
Posted by: gromky || 06/02/2008 4:41 Comments || Top||

#4  I was going to go through this polemic for Boeing but decided it was better to let Loren B Thompson,Ph.D. do so in his own words.

So Northrop Grumman's victory was not a close outcome. Although both proposals satisfied all performance requirements, the reviewers concluded that if they funded the Northrop Grumman proposal they could have 49 superior tankers operating by 2013, whereas if they funded the Boeing proposal, they would have only 19 considerably less capable planes in that year. The Northrop-EADS offering was deemed much better in virtually all regards.

The Boeing proposal made sense 5 - 6 years ago, but Boeing got greedy and suborned an AF procurement official, Darlene Druyon, into signing off on a sweetheart lease deal. Darlene wound up in jail, the Boeing CEO & CFO were fired, and the AF screwed out of a tanker for 6 long years. Boeing screwed the pooch bigtime and has no one to blame but themselves. Times, technology, and AF requirements changed. Boeing didn't. They thought that they had the political muscle to force the AF to buy what they proposed instead of what the AF had asked for. I am embarrassed for them.

Further, I am not surprised at Loren B. Thompson, Ph.D. I have dealt with this kind of academic whore for over 30 years. His article is sophistry, a dishonest restatement of Boeing talking points. From his earlier article, he clearly knows better but now is just flacking for Boeing, in a continuation of the dishonest behavior that cost Boeing this contract in the first place. His opinions may be purchased by the highest bidder and are not worth what his employers paid for them.
Posted by: RWV || 06/02/2008 9:33 Comments || Top||

#5  1. Its longer ranged and higher performance. Stupid twit, read the specifications! Nothing about fuel economy there. Only performance specifications. IDIOT!

2. the Boeing airframe is DECADES old, and NOT the one the AF wanted. Thats why Boeing got sent back to the drawing board. Consider this Dr PhDork, the 767 was so dated that Boeing is NOT going to produce it anymore. And then they tried to jam it down the trhoat of the AF by ignoring what the AF asked for. Arrogance.

3. DIMwit - you assume forward bases. The only guaranteed fwd base we have are US Aircraft carriers. The USAF specified operational range that the 767 design cannot meet. How STUPID do you have to be to not get that point? Its better for the USAF and their current doctrine to base tankers out of the US and large bases like Guam, than it is to operate from tricky forward bases like Balad AB in Iraq. So Boing apologist douche-bag here is demanding the USAF change its tanker strategy to for Boeing's aircraft instead of Boeing meeting the USAF standard? STUPID.

4. Ever hear of the F-22 Raptor you f**king moron? Or any number of other defense-aerospace contracts, and in the case of NG Naval contracts. Its PROGRAM MANANEGEMENT skills, not tanker skills. What an IDIOT to make such a sohpomoric error!

Jumpin Jesus on a Pogo Stick, for a PhD, this person is dumb as a bag of hammers.

Boeing proposed a tanker that was too short on range, on an obsolescent airframe, wiht lower lift capacity, and did not meet what the Airforce needs to operate in the manner they need to operate. That's why they lost.

NG-EADS delivered a newer aircraft with higher lift capacity, longer range and a more modern airframe and avionics, with the critica component made her in the US (like the engines which will be made in Ohio, and the boom in Oklahoma). That's why they won.

For a PhD this one is a twit.

Had Boeing gone with a 777 based design, it would have met the same range/load rules, and likely won. Instead Boeing was so arrogant as to TELL the AF what they should do instead of meeting the spec.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/02/2008 9:34 Comments || Top||

#6  #5, OS. I agree with the points you've made. Just going by the specs elucidated, the AF procurement made a logical selection. Boeing wanted to keep the 767 line going, because it would be very profitable for them, as in the past, to convert an outdated airliner into a tanker. In the backround is the caught red-handed scandal you mentioned, but also, the fact that Boeing as a corporation has under-performed on nearly every AF contract it has been awarded for the last decade. Many times they've underbid LHM or NG on other programs and failed to deliver product on time or anywhere close to program requirements. So this was a backhanded slap in the chops for all their screwups. They know it and are whining like a spoiled child. Note they are also falling way back in promised deliveries on the Dreamliner, so they need the revenue stream supplementation. If everyone is disturbed that this contract may fund jobs in France/Europe instead of US, recall that the lovely Congresscritters opened this door wide 20 years ago to complete deals with EU and others to sell F16 into their markets. This is just the first very large contract to take advantage of these concessions.
Posted by: Woozle Elmeter 2700 || 06/02/2008 12:11 Comments || Top||

#7  Boeing: Arrogance and incompetence are a bad mixture.
Posted by: mojo || 06/02/2008 12:52 Comments || Top||

#8  What'$ you're price general?
Posted by: Flairt Fillmore3847 || 06/02/2008 12:52 Comments || Top||

#9  I think we're all signing on the same page here. If Boeing is to learn the lesson, they need to lose this contract, go back to the drawing board, and come up with an airplane that can compete in the next tanker competition.

And there will be a competition. The current contract is for 179 planes, and the Air Force has previously said that they need 500 new tankers. Let Boeing come back with a 777-based (or even 787-based) tanker and see what Airbus does.
Posted by: Steve White || 06/02/2008 15:01 Comments || Top||

#10  "Someone needs to explain why Boeing went with a twenty year old design, the 767, when the newer 777, a plane more comparable to the A330, could have been substituted. I think the Air Force got this one right: they picked the plane better suited to their mission, which is delivering lots of fuel to their jets. Boeing was punished for 1) cheating in the first round (funny this article doesn't mention that) and for 2) being cocky. They should stop crying and start working on the next round of the competition."

How about this: The size / range criteria were such that the 767 was the best fit. The age of the airframe design is not so important, as there are constant upgrades to the basic model. Fly by wire enhancements, revised wing design, etc.
You want to look at stagnant, just this morning at the gas station, another guy was filling up his brand new GM car and the 'key in the ignition' nanny ringer was the same sine the 1980 Pontiac I had. but the point is, it satifies the mission.

now on to the 787 question: i have some level of involvement with that airframe design and the current composite fuselage is not designed to carry those extra point load a refuelling package would entail. The fuselage is not constructed like a traditional metal airplane so it is not a simple matter to just rivet another stringer or longeron or two in place. That is not to say the boys at the Lazy B aren't working on a freighter or tanker version, just not in the next 5-10 years.
I think the AF gooned this award, but they are also carrying some of the previous contract poison forward. while it would be nice, i do not expect Boeing to prevail on the protest.
Posted by: USN, Ret. || 06/02/2008 15:21 Comments || Top||

#11  Agreed, USNRet.

As someone who has some "PROGRAM MANANEGEMENT skills" and experience, it's not at all clear to me that Airbus is the better choice (and be very clear, this was an Airbus win -- Northrup Grumman was in it for the ride.)

There were several undercurrents in this procurement that seem to elude the awareness of a lot of commenters and commentary. The reality is that there is a fair amount of contention within the Pentagon and between services about what missions should drive critical joint airframe procurements. USAF, so far as I can tell from the open source info, signalled Boeing that it wanted to maintain compatibility on a lot of criteria. That was a factor in the Boeing bid as submitted.

BUT ... then we have a) the Navy and b) State Dept. As someone who negotiated with State over export licenses for military tech to an ally, I have first hand experience re: just how much they try and often do exert pressure to 'share the wealth' via tech xfer and outsourcing.

Moreover, the Navy is in deep shite with several ship procurements and is hurting re: fighter programs under way. I would expect that it sought as many allies as possible to keep its favored contractor Northrup Grumman in contracts and to interpret the performance criteria from a ship-based aviation perspective.

Finally, this source selection was not made in a vacuum. There is a concerted push to keep NATO alive and force / seduce Europe to enhance its basic military posture. You can be sure that that consideration played a part in how things were interpreted as well.

Any mis-steps by Boeing were an excuse, not the reason for the selection decision. At least that's how it seems to me, and I've both been a program manager on the contractor side and drafted procurement packages and supported source selection boards on the govt side.
Posted by: lotp || 06/02/2008 15:40 Comments || Top||

#12  NG has a much better track record in PM than Boeing, at least recently. Look to the IC and other aerospace contracts. I've worked in Lockmart, Raytheon, and NG run projoects, and NG has them beat. Raytheon does a pretty good job too though (a lot of Hughes legacy there amongst the "Raytheists"). But Boeings lessened capability to manage programs well is reflected in their 787 program.

I don't know what happened to B, maybe it was the M-D infusion that screwed things up, as a lot of Boeing old timers kept telling me that M-D management had "moved up and screwed up" the company.

From what I hear, NG's PMO will be the one doing the maintaining as well, EADS will only be doing the buildouts and delivery. SO that ought to ease some fears. ANd imprtant parts, like engines (In Ohio), specialized avionics and the boom controls and assembly will be 100% US so some of the more critical parts are not at issue.

All in all:

The NG-EADS will deliver modern tankers, on a newer airframe design, with a larger payload and longer operational range, and deliver more of them sooner than Boeing can. and will do so with higher confidence according to the judgement of the USAF.

Their whining is unseemly. Get that 777 tanger on the boards, or if there is a role for a short fnage close-based, try getting one of the newer redesigned 737's. Those things are ubiquitous, essentially they are the DC-3 of Jet Age.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/02/2008 22:13 Comments || Top||

#13  Sorry OS, while i ususally agree with you POV, I stand by the earlier comment, the airframe is not the high dollar driver, it is the avionics, engines and systems that represent the majority of the $$$.
I do agree with you IRT to the MacD screw up that BMAC and BCAC are still undoing, but if you were to look at the original RFQ, the 67 fit the bill. LOTP's outsource comments were pretty dead on. Don't know if I agree with the NGC survival mode; if the Navy really wanted to do that I don't think they would be all ga-ga over an all Hornet carrier airwing (let's not even think about the fact the USN surrendered the majority of the tanking role to the USAF; that just strengthens the 767 case, more hoses in the air for less bucks.
Sounds to me like you would walk into a Ford Showroom, looking for an Ranger, but drive out with a F350 Crewcab dualie because it is really want the saleman said you needed.
Posted by: USN,Ret. (from home) || 06/02/2008 23:24 Comments || Top||


Win the War? Yes We Can!
Don't look now, but evidence of progress in the war on terror is just about everywhere. Last week CIA director Michael Hayden noted some U.S. accomplishments for the Washington Post: "Near strategic defeat of al-Qaeda in Iraq. Near strategic defeat for al-Qaeda in Saudi Arabia. Significant setbacks for al-Qaeda globally." USA Today: Attacks in Iraq are "down 70 percent since President Bush ordered a U.S. troop increase, or 'surge,' early last year."

How did this happen? It is partly due to Muslim outrage at al Qaeda's killing of its coreligionists. It is partly due to Muslim rejection of al Qaeda's malign interpretation of Islam. For these reasons, Bergen and Cruickshank wrote that "encoded in the DNA of apocalyptic jihadist groups like Al Qaeda are the seeds of their own long-term destruction."

True. But such seeds must be sown, watered, and tended. Read the authors mentioned above, and you would think that al Qaeda's troubles sprung up overnight. They did not. Its troubles cannot be separated from U.S. counterterrorism policy. From President Bush's policy.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 06/02/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:

#1  WaPo reported Hayden's testimony as being hyper-critical of the past 7 years of counter-terror. I guess people see what they want to see.
Posted by: McZoid || 06/02/2008 1:56 Comments || Top||

#2  I guess they need to prepare their readers for the fact that we won the war despite all of their crappy reporting.
Posted by: Sninert Black9312 || 06/02/2008 3:11 Comments || Top||

#3  Intresting parochialism (hint: how many Hamas members, percentagewise has IDF killed?).
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 06/02/2008 8:06 Comments || Top||

#4  I guess even they figured out you cannot hide the truth for much longer.

I cannot wait to rub this in to the deniers who only listen to liberal media.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/02/2008 9:22 Comments || Top||

#5 
Posted by: DarthVader || 06/02/2008 10:08 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Success in Iraq stymies Obama's biggest fan
Jennifer Rubin, Commentary magazine

Barack Obama's greatest fan, commenting on the Washington Post op-ed that the "all is lost crowd" should rethink their Iraq plans, has this observation:

The trap Obama must not be caught in is one of excessive pessimism. Conditions now favor expeditious withdrawal more than they did only a few months ago. But the manner of withdrawal, its pace, and its concomitant diplomacy now require a different cast, and may require an even different one next February and March. None of this means that this war was not a mistake; it does suggest it need not in the medium term be a catastrophe. Petraeus deserves the lion's share of the credit; luck and time and the self-defeating nihilism of the Jihadists have helped. But Bush and McCain equally merit points for pursuing the surge, even though the metrics pointed to failure. Obama needs to capitalize on these gains, not dismiss them.

Well, let's unpack all of that. Conditions favor an expeditious withdrawal because . . . why, exactly? We had to withdraw, we were told, because all was lost, it was immoral to sacrifice any more brave Americans for a lost cause, there had been no political progress and nothing further could be gained. But in the face of recent progress, when a chance for success and a good outcome has emerged (acknowledged among the more honest mainstream media observers), we should still leave, and in fact it is more necessary that we should do so?

But that is small potatoes next to the real problem: Obama doesn't think progress is being made, refuses to acknowledge reality and opposed the surge -- which even Obama's greatest defender can admit was the correct course and likely saved us from a "catastrophe." That obvious dilemma will not be lost, I am fairly certain, on those not predisposed to explain, justify, and protect Obama from unpleasant realities.

And if Obama fails to "capitalize" -- "to take advantage of circumstances his opponent helped create and he opposed" -- is he guilty of only excessive pessimism? Or has he proven himself to be inflexible, unmoved by new facts, unwilling to admit error and divorced from reality? Hmmm, seems like someone said similar things about George W. Bush.
Posted by: Mike || 06/02/2008 08:32 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Andrew will be getting some 'anti' mail now from the more hard core leftists.

No sympathy here however.
Posted by: mhw || 06/02/2008 11:24 Comments || Top||

#2  obamas problem is Hillary in this regard.

If the nomination were a wrap, he could flip flop NOW, and acknowledge the serve, try to seperate praise for Petraeus from attacks on McCain/Bush, praise the Iraqi army, and forecast gradual withdrawl and victory.

But the nomination ISNT wrapped, and so he CANT do the flip flop yet. Expect a change of heart in September though.

McCain, ironically is handicapped also by the continued Dem race. Until theres an actual dem nominee to focus on, his base remains less than perfectly steady (though it looks a lot more solid than a couple of months ago) So HE cant flip flop on taxes and the economy - yet.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/02/2008 14:58 Comments || Top||

#3  The other ironic thing of course, is that Pres Bush's sticking to the old Rumsfeld approach and resisting McCains recommendations on Iraq as long as he did, sunk Hillary. If the surge had been done 6 months earlier, and we had been that further along earlier, Hillary would have had far more momentum going into Iowa, and Edwards and Obama less. She would at least have made Iowa close, and with a big win in NH, would have made it close in SC, and sailed into super Tuesday with big momentum. In all probability it would have been over there, or Obama might have struggled on till Pennsylvania. But shed be the nominee.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/02/2008 15:02 Comments || Top||

#4  Wheels within wheels, LH :-)

Obama is totally screwed if he tries to flip on the war, even if he casts it as responding to new information and the improving situation, which WaPo would like him to do. His strongest base are the progressive Lefties who would never, ever forgive him for flipping.

The analogy is the conservtive base that abandoned GHWB after he broke his 'Read My Lips' promise.

So I think Obama is stuck. Heh.
Posted by: Steve White || 06/02/2008 15:06 Comments || Top||

#5  Success in Iraq hurts McCain most. It makes the issue history so that the election will hinge on inflation and housing prices.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 06/02/2008 15:23 Comments || Top||

#6  SW - maybe hes not THAT stuck.

1. His most solid base is not white progressives, its blacks. Who can swallow a flip flop on the war

2. SOME white progressives (mainly ex Edwards supporters) are more focused on the economy.

3. For the die hard antiwar progs, the parlor pinks who are less concerned about the economy, McCain acts for the Dems like Hillary does for Repubs. Maybe (then im not 100% convinced on that line wrt Hillary either, but now its too late)

4. Geography man. We still vote by the electoral college. Obama is NOT losing Calif, or NY, or most of New England whatever flip flops he makes. What swing states will a flip flop hurt him in - - well, Iowa, Minn, Colorado, probably. But might help in Ohio, Fla, even Virginia. Hmmmm
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/02/2008 18:04 Comments || Top||

#7  Hillary must know that OBAMA will be hard-pressed to "justify/validate" any so-called "DIVERSITY",
"PEACE", or "WITHDRAWAL" agenda, etc. in the face of BOTH ISLAMIST IRAN + MILITANTS GOING NUCLEAR AMAP ASAP 2008-2012. POLLS + PUNDITS > Hillary also knows that she is viewed as matching or defeating Mccain. Iff Obama still desires to adhere to his propsed agenda, HILLARY likely is thinking he will need her as VPOTUS AND BEYOND, NOT MERELY AS CONDI-STYLE SECSTATE, iff only to put up a false facade of "PRO-PEACE" "DIVERSITY" while leaving POTUS Barack in the clear to PDeniably deal militarily forcefully wid NUCLEAR IRAN-ISLAMISM iff need be.

AFTER 2010 > IRAN + MILITANTS-TERROR WILL GO FULL OR INCREASINGLY NUCLEAR AMAP ASAP, + SPREAD ALL OVER CENTRAL ASIA + PERIPHERALS, and exclusive of anything else. THE PAN-ASIAN GEOPOL MILPOL ORDER = "STATUS QUO" WILL BE SERIOUSLY AFFECTED IFF NOT ALTERED.

Something will be seriously wrong within Radical Islam iff they CAN'T DEFEAT THE USA-ALLIES IN THE ME EVEN WID A US-SPECIFIC REDUCED MILFOR PRESENCE + ISLAMISM POSSESSING POTENT NUKES-WMDS, etc.

ABOVE > DARE ANY ISLAMIST HIDDEN IMAM-MAHDI MAKE HIS APPEARANCE MOSTLY TO SAVE ISLAM FROM ITSELF!?
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 06/02/2008 22:48 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
The water bomb
By MAJID NIZAMI

We are all aware that Pakistan is faced with a number of serious problems and threats, each of which seems to be more serious than the other. However, of all the problems none is more threatening than the schemes of Hindu India to block the water of Pakistan's Rivers, thereby causing water famine in the country.
Unfortunately, awareness of this threat has been lacking on the part of Pakistan's rulers in the past. But we cannot afford to ignore it any longer because the consequences will endanger not just the agriculture, economy and the stability of Pakistan but its very survival. India knows this vulnerability of Pakistan and fired by its eternal enmity to this country has been moving ahead with plans to hit Pakistan hard in the sensitive sphere of water. India, as you would also know by now, is constructing 58 dams and water reservoirs on Pakistan's Rivers, Chenab, Jhelum and Sindh.

Realising the great danger that Pakistan is about to face through acute scarcity of water, we have held several conferences and exclusive sessions with professional experts in this field at the Nazria Pakistan Trust. What role would Nazaria have if the country's survival was not ensured first! The picture that emerged from the evaluation of the situation by the experts is far grimmer than what we had generally known through media reports.

History has acknowledged now that the unannounced dishonest alteration in the Punjab boundary line made by Radcliff and Mountbatten at the time of the Partition in August 1947, by which the two very important headworks of Madhopur on the Ravi and Ferozpur on the Sutlej were given to India, laid the foundation of depriving Pakistan of the water resources that historically and geographically belonged to it. The Indus Basin Treaty (IBT) of September 1960, whose provisions clearly favoured India, and which the dictatorial Ayub regime accepted although it was against our national interest, was, similarly, designed to deny Pakistan even its rightful share of the water of the three allocated Rivers in the years to come.

Added to the foreign sinister schemes is the painful factor of an 'India lobby' among our policymakers, which has let India go on violating the Indus Basin Treaty by building dams and diverting/blocking waters that belong to Pakistan.
To divert the water coming into the Mangla Dam, India is building Ohrri Two Dam at River Poonch, Kishan Ganga Dam at River Neelum, and 19 Hydel-Projects at River Jhelum, aimed to be completed by 2012. Mangla Dam receives its stock of water from Rivers Jhelum, Neelum and Poonch. If this water is stopped, Mangla Dam would turn into a dry clay field.

India is going ahead with the controversial Baghliar Dam on River Chenab, while Pakistan government, after raising belated objections, has still not taken the decisive steps that are necessary to have this project stopped. Its pathetic proof was seen at the fourth round of the so-called Composite Dialogue between the two countries held in Islamabad from 19-21 May 2008. According to the officials, "The contentious issue of the Baghliar Dam could not find place in the agenda of the foreign ministers' talks despite Pakistan's insistence."
The government has all the experts and the data for evaluation of the dangers that this Dam poses to Pakistan. Just the few details mentioned below will give you an idea of the dangers to come, if the government does not confront India on the water issue.

Baghliar Dam is of such a large size that, whenever it so wants, India can block 7000 to 8000 cusec-ft of water per day. Besides, India has already built 14 hydroelectric plants at River Chenab's northern part and is building still more plants to enable it to block the entire water of Chenab for 20 to 25 days. If India were to store the water of Chenab and Jhelum for just 2 to 3 months, Pakistan's agriculture would be ruined, with dreadful consequences for the nation. India plans to formally begin the operation of Baghliar Dam on June 30, 2008.

If Pakistan fails to move quickly, the Indians, by completing their ongoing projects would have a powerful weapon in their hands. Blocking of the water of Chenab and Jhelum would result in:
" Denial of water to a vast region, including Multan, Jhang, Faisalabad, Gujrat, Okara, Sahiwal, Vehari, Bahawalnagar, Bahawalpur and Rahimyar Khan.
" 406 Canals and 1125 Distributaries will become dry, rendering 35 lakh acres of cultivated land barren, and eventually ruining a total of 70 acres of fertile land.
" The Marala Headworks, through which water from Chenab is poured into River Ravi that had dried up after it went into India's control under the IBT, will stop functioning. The Ravi feeds the Canals along the border, which serve as a most important Defence Line. If Chenab's normal flow stops, Ravi would have no water and the Border Canals would become dry.

The Sindh Tas Water Council Pakistan, which has been engaged since 1984 in the in-depth study of India's designs of denial of water to Pakistan, has discovered that India is actually working on a secret mega-plan that was drawn years ago with the aim of bringing Pakistan to its knees, when the time came, by subjecting it to total starvation of water. This mega-plan is being financed and implemented by a consortium consisting of India and three other countries (one of which is Israel), two multinational companies, one trans-national NGO and three secret agencies.

I was not exaggerating when a few weeks ago I warned our government to beware of India's "Water Bomb."

We have no option now but to urgently take bold and decisive measures against the Indian schemes of subjecting Pakistan to devastation. But, no measures can be effective nor can succeed if Pakistan's policies of giving India the image of a close trading and social partner and a friendly neighbour who poses no threat are not changed.

Indeed, we have seen these misconceived policies proving demoralising and harmful to our country, while facilitating India in promoting its schemes and strengthening its aims against Pakistan.

The "water bomb" is a reality that Pakistan's rulers must not overlook in the artificial scenario created by the so-called "confidence building measures."
Posted by: john frum || 06/02/2008 06:25 || Comments || Link || [5 views] Top|| File under:


Hydrological warfare against Pakistan
Prof Khurram Shahzad

“Water wars are not inevitable. It lies in our hands – and in our minds.”

It has been a venerable and established speculation among political experts that the world’s future wars will be fought over water, not oil. Where the whole world is fortunately lagging a bit behind for entering into this ill-fated era of ‘hydrological warfare’, it clearly seems that the subcontinent has perhaps surpassed the rest of the world with Indian courtesy. Now it has expediently forced again the region to slip into a new kind of fracas. Experts say it would be the era… in which rivers, lakes and aquifers become national security assets to be fought over, or controlled through surrogate armies and client states.
Continued on Page 49
Posted by: john frum || 06/02/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [7 views] Top|| File under:

#1  That is a one sided article. The 20,000,000 Bengalis who live illegally in India, testify to that country's benevolence to its revolting neighbors.
Posted by: McZoid || 06/02/2008 4:55 Comments || Top||

#2  Actually India and Bangladesh have a treaty regarding the sharing of the River Ganges water.

India and Pakistan also have a treaty and the World Bank neutral expert Lafitte has already dismissed most of the Pakistani technical objections to the Baghliar dam in his arbitration.

According to Lafitte, the Indian dams do not violate the treaty and are not for water storage or diversion for usage. They are for hydropower only.

Every single Indian attempt to construct anything on the rivers has met Pakistani objections. This has delayed projects by years as teams study the projects and argue over details.

One of the justifications for the Pak jihad in Kashmir is control over the headwaters.

It appears the very idea that the headwaters of its rivers begin in Indian territory is something the Pakistanis cannot reconcile themselves to. No matter the technical points, guarantees from the World bank, treaties with India etc, the facts on the ground profoundly upset the Pakistanis. I suspect their view of themselves as proud Muslim warriors is tarnished by the very idea of kaffir control the sources of their rivers.
Posted by: john frum || 06/02/2008 6:43 Comments || Top||

#3  Lt Gen (r) Hameed Gul has said that India has so far built 62 dams and hydro-electric units on Pakistani rivers to deprive Pakistan of water and render into a desert.

He said Pakistan was being deprived of water under an international conspiracy to conquer it. At this stage, some insane people were opposing construction of Kalabagh Dam in Pakistan, he added. He said that Shaukat Aziz’s influx in Pakistan was also part of the conspiracy as he formulated such policies, which put the country into crisis. He said that Shaukat Aziz created food shortage. He said the mujahideeen damaged Baglihar Dam and it could not be reconstructed.

Hameed Gul, however, warned that the mujahideen would damage all dams. Sindh Water Council Chairman Hafiz Zahoor-ul-Hassan Dahr said that when the dispute on water would not be resolved, there would be conflict between the two countries. He said, “India is not building dams under the Indus Water Treaty but on the Pakistani rivers.” He said that the food shortage would be forty per cent next year that would increase starvation in the country. He warned, “Pakistan can become Somalia and Ethopia,” he added.
Posted by: john frum || 06/02/2008 6:56 Comments || Top||

#4  Rantburg H20 Persons:

Al-Aska-Paul plz fill us in..

and our H20 Columnist Frank G. should have a wack at it too plz!

>:)

Damns store water, so Gul's f'n whining must have to do with a Paki shake down tactics.

Pakis are expert @ the protection rackets..

Frankly it would be a GOOD THING if India just told the Pakis to have fewer children.

And by inference fewer H20 NEEDS.

IIRC Right now the Stupid Un-Smart-Pakis have a Full-Court-Press Pro-Bazillion Children Campaign a'going-on, supported by the G'D Paki-Gubmint..

Like let's expand The God Damn Ummah Thingy...
grrr
Posted by: RD || 06/02/2008 7:35 Comments || Top||

#5  Let's see those dumb ass muzzies use the old suicide bomb trick against 100 million tons of concrete.
Posted by: Hellfish || 06/02/2008 8:35 Comments || Top||

#6  The Monkey Wrench Gang moves east.
Posted by: Nimble Spemble || 06/02/2008 9:52 Comments || Top||

#7  Frankly it would be a GOOD THING if India just told the Pakis to have fewer children.

Frankly it would be a GOOD THING if India just told the uneducated Indians and illegal Bongs (Bangladeshis to have fewer children.
Posted by: Injun Elmuting8192 || 06/02/2008 9:54 Comments || Top||

#8  Indians are having fewer children. It's been terribly fashionable among the growing middle class to have only one or two children, just like in the West. Even the poor masses, from what I understand, have a reduced birthrate compared to historical levels. If I weren't feeling lazy, I'd check the CIA world book on the subject.
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/02/2008 11:39 Comments || Top||

#9  Indians are having fewer children.

Yes, middle class Indians are having fewer children. However, the middle class in India represent a much smaller percentage of the population than is seen here. The Villagers/Tribal's are still having lots of kids.

Even the poor masses, from what I understand, have a reduced birthrate compared to historical levels.

Yeah, down to 8 or 9 from 14 to 17 over the average child bearing years. That is not enough, especially when you consider that most of these people never get educated.

Been there, lived there...seen it. Wifes Indian.
Posted by: One Eyed Ulese1266 || 06/02/2008 12:08 Comments || Top||

#10  Agreed about the size of India's middle class, One Eyed Ulese1266. The fact that it's growing rapidly must be offset by the fact that it was so incredibly small, percentage-wise, to begin with. Nonetheless, a 50% decrease of fecundity amongst the poor is significant, and the indication of a trendline likely to continue downward...over the long term. Fewer children will eventually mean more investment in education and health care for each child, again in the long term. Short term the poverty situation will likely get worse, just because of sheer increase in raw numbers.

Mr. Wife never let me join him on his trips to India. He didn't think I would handle that reality well.
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/02/2008 13:14 Comments || Top||

#11  One the other hand, ask the Mexicans what they think about the dams on the Colorado River and the tiny trickle of water that finally flows across the border.Dams not only generate electricity, but they make it easier to use the water for irrigation, industry, and population. That said, the Paki article is just uninformed BS. Improvement is not war against Pakistan and a shutoff of water is unlikely. What is more likely is a gradual diminution of water left to flow downstream as usage above the dam increases. This will lead to a gradual impoverishment of Pakland, but hey, in general, it is good to live upstream.
Posted by: RWV || 06/02/2008 13:32 Comments || Top||

#12  Ask Fred. Hamid Gul is a former Inter Service Intelligence Agency (ISI) chief, who threw in with the terrorists as soon as he retired.
Posted by: Glort the Elder4271 || 06/02/2008 14:44 Comments || Top||

#13  TW,
hummm.. damn I waz awaiting for a gud Frank G. come-back Zinnger ... so plz tell him about the thread..

I may regret it altogether as Mr. Frank is damn good!

And al-Aska Paul really haz some Hydrological Background..

...if my fly-ash Alzheimers permits!

/well Ima gonna read Yeaterday's newspaper as I forgots Yesterday's News....
Posted by: RD || 06/02/2008 14:56 Comments || Top||

#14  Under the Indus water Treaty, the waters of three entire rivers are reserved for sole Pakistani use. These must flow to Pakistan without any diversion by India for any use EXCEPT power generation.

Storage is strictly limited to that required for power and for silt clearing.

India cannot build dams for agricultural irrigation etc.

Robert McNamara's legacy to India and Pakistan from his time at the world bank.

Despite Pakistan having a smaller population, the waters were divided evenly, favoring Pakistan. Nehru agreed to this, thinking it an act of friendship that would bring peace.

Nehru was wrong on many things...
Posted by: john frum || 06/02/2008 15:48 Comments || Top||

#15  sorry, my desktop 'puter's crashed, so I'm making do with my less-favorite laptop.

Mexico can bite my ass over the Colorado River diversion. They send the New River back across the border with the highest concentrates of pollution: toxics, heavy metals, disease....virtually anything they can dump in it
Posted by: Frank G || 06/02/2008 19:54 Comments || Top||


Iraq
Confronting the horrors of Iraq’s graves - Should be required reading for Anti-war types
All my life I have been told that the US and other countries stood by and did nothing while the Nazi's committed genocide. From "Judgement at Nuremberg" to "Schindler's List" we were reminded of the shame we must carry.

Now the very same people say we should not have gotten involved in Iraq and we are not the worlds policeman. Oh, we did something in Bosnia because the genocide was on the evening news. But in Iraq we have only the silent testimony of the graves.

Shame on every liberal nitwit from Hollywood to the Halls of Congress and all the Media in between. The linked article should be read into the Congressional Record and every Politician should be asked to provide a written comment.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 06/02/2008 15:34 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  You cannot shame them - they have no morals.
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/02/2008 16:11 Comments || Top||

#2  The "anti-war types" don't care about the graves. They don't care about the war and they don't care about the troops. They only care about bashing Bush, getting back the White House and political power in this country no matter what it takes. Obama said it himself: he wants the money spent on Iraq for health care for the "poor" who presumably will vote for him.
Posted by: Grusoling Panda8701 || 06/02/2008 16:21 Comments || Top||

#3  The anti-war types are evil, just as the terrorists are evil. They could care less about the loss of life to innocent people. They only care about the murderers that decent people are going after. They are the enablers of evil. Deep down they know it and deep down they are proud of it.
Posted by: www || 06/02/2008 16:26 Comments || Top||

#4  The "anti-war" types want to be the ones pulling the trigger. It is all about power and they being the ones wielding it.
Posted by: DarthVader || 06/02/2008 17:09 Comments || Top||

#5  I resemble that remark.
Posted by: Barak Obama || 06/02/2008 17:19 Comments || Top||

#6  GB, this is the same caste that changes the subject when their 'accessory to the fact' on the Cambodian Holocaust is raised. Why should they be concerned out several hundred thousand Iraqis, when they had no time for a million and a half Cambodians, let alone a few hundred thousand Vietnamese. As others have already posted, their 'morality' is nothing but show, theater for POWER.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 06/02/2008 17:39 Comments || Top||

#7  can we please stop generalizing about liberals, esp on stuff like this.

Liberal hawks like Paul Berman and radicals lkke Christopher Hitchens were talking about the horrors of the Iraqi regime when the Bush admin was focusing on WMDs and 9/11 links in the apparent belief that they couldnt make intervention for human rights work. and judging from what folks here say about humanitarian interventions ELSEWHERE, Im not sure Bush was wrong - its REAL hard to get support for humanitarian interventions,even, perhaps especially, from conservatives.

Now, yeah, there are plenty of lefties who are deadset against humanitarian intervention, who thinks its all imperialist, yadda yadda. But I daresay they are NOT among the people who are most focused on the Nazi genocide and the West moral obligations.

Im also not sure where in "Schindlers List" Spielberg said anything in particular about the West. That movie was mainly based on a book anyway.


Ive been supportive of the Iraq war, heavily (though not only) on humanitarian grounds for a long time. Even when ive taken flak from the left. And from the right, whether for believing arabs capable of democracy, or for thinking that our force presence wasnt large enough given all that was at stake.

Talk about the horror of the graves yes. But let it speak for itself, dont demean those deaths by using it for partisan advantage, a partisan advantage that in this case is not warranted.
Posted by: liberalhawk || 06/02/2008 17:54 Comments || Top||

#8  LH is correct: I have no qualms with liberals. I share a few liberal tendencies.

I think the people we're talking about are best characterized as 'progressives', though I think 'Marxists' or 'left-socialists' or 'Hard-left' or 'moonbats' are just as good.
Posted by: Steve White || 06/02/2008 18:06 Comments || Top||

#9  The Curse of Liberalism
Posted by: www || 06/02/2008 18:49 Comments || Top||

#10  The Movie Spielberg Didn't Make
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 06/02/2008 19:23 Comments || Top||

#11  can we please stop generalizing about liberals

It would be a lot easier if the 'real' liberals would stand up and point out the Socialist who've used them and their name as cover for the last four decades.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 06/02/2008 23:01 Comments || Top||


Iraq - May 08 was possibly the most successful Combat Month Ever
June 1, 2008 (from BobKrumm's diary)

Yesterday ended the month with the fewest Coalition casualties since nearly the beginning of the war in Iraq. There were only about 20 combat-related deaths during the entire month of May. Hopefully portending even better things to come, only about five of those deaths occurred during the final two weeks of the month.

It isn’t about body counts, however, since one way to ensure a low casualty rate is to sequester American forces on forward operating bases. What makes the statistic even more impressive is that the low death total came even as the operational tempo was as busy as ever. Coalition Forces, now largely in a supporting role, spent the month busily fighting in three of the roughest areas of the country–Basrah, Sadr City, and Mosul–with impressive results....

Posted by: mhw || 06/02/2008 09:23 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  QUAGMIRE! THE WAR IS LOST!

/obama
/reid
Posted by: OldSpook || 06/02/2008 12:01 Comments || Top||

#2  Thanks to our troops and some Iraqis, the dhimocrat's investment in defeat has been defeated.
Posted by: DarthVader || 06/02/2008 12:05 Comments || Top||


Israel-Palestine-Jordan
The Delusions of the Left
(IsraelNN.com) This past Monday, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told a Knesset Committee that anyone who believes in the idea of "Greater Israel" is a "delusional fantasist".

But in reality, as I argue in the column below, the true "delusional fantasists" are those who persist in clinging to the false hope of forging an even falser peace after 15 years of ongoing Palestinian violence, terror and obstructionism.

Believing in the right of the Jewish people to the entire Land of Israel is neither delusional nor fantasy. It has been the basis of our faith, and the core of our national dream, for the past 2,000 years, and over the past six decades we have seen it begin to come to pass.

And soon enough, the promise of "Greater Israel" will yet come true.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 06/02/2008 08:22 || Comments || Link || [0 views] Top|| File under:


Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Iran Achieves a Four-Front Missile Command, Breakthrough on Nuclear Missile Warheads
DEBKAfile’s military sources disclose that Iran’s Revolutionary Guards Corps have created a separate missile command, in which Syria’s missile force is to be integrated. The joint command was formalized in a new mutual defense treaty signed by the Syrian defense minister, Gen. Hassan Turkmani in Tehran last week.

Israeli military sources judge the operational merger of Iranian and Syrian missile corps to be a major strategic hazard to the Jewish state.

Western and Israeli military experts connect it with other indications that Iran’s program for developing missiles capable of delivering nuclear payloads has gone into high gear and reached an advanced stage. They believe the Iranians have beaten most of the technical difficulties holding it up.

On May 26, the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, which often goes easy on Iran, released a harsh report confirming Iran’s progress in “missile warhead design.”

The new missile command was cautiously announced last week by the IRGC commander, Gen. Mohammad Ali Jafari. He said: “An independent command might be created in Sepah (IRGC) in order to fortify the structure and activities of the missile section.”

Military experts comment that Tehran’s centralized control of four hostile missile fronts will virtually neutralize the American and Israeli anti-missile defense systems in the region; the Arrow and the Patriot missile interceptors could handle incoming missiles from one or maybe two directions – but not four.
Posted by: Anonymoose || 06/02/2008 09:12 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  For some reason this made me think of an old Tom Lehrer song Little Johnny Jones:

So long, mom,
I'm off to drop the bomb,
So don't wait up for me.
But while you swelter
Down there in your shelter,
You can see me
On your tv.

While we're attacking frontally,
Watch brinkally and huntally,
Describing contrapuntally
The cities we have lost.
No need for you to miss a minute
Of the agonizing holocaust. (yeah!)

Little johnny jones he was a u.s. pilot,
And no shrinking vi'let was he.
He was mighty proud when world war three was declared,
He wasn't scared,
No siree!

And this is what he said on
His way to armageddon:

So long, mom,
I'm off to drop the bomb,
So don't wait up for me.
But though I may roam,
I'll come back to my home,
Although it may be
A pile of debris.

Remember, mommy,
I'm off to get a commie,
So send me a salami,
And try to smile somehow.
I'll look for you when the war is over,
An hour and a half from now!


Maybe there is a Hebrew translation.
Posted by: RWV || 06/02/2008 9:48 Comments || Top||

#2  ...Okay, so let me get this straight: the Iranians can now run a 4-player version of Missile Command? Big Deal.

Mike
Posted by: Mike Kozlowski || 06/02/2008 11:42 Comments || Top||

#3  Military experts comment that Tehran’s centralized control of four hostile missile fronts will virtually neutralize the American and Israeli anti-missile defense systems in the region; the Arrow and the Patriot missile interceptors could handle incoming missiles from one or maybe two directions – but not four.

So, would ya' care to name these so-called military experts because they sure as hell don't what it is they're talking about. Oh, you must mean the Palestinian or Iranian military experts, right?

Somebody needs to redefine their definition of what "front" means.



Posted by: FOTSGreg || 06/02/2008 14:00 Comments || Top||

#4  NUCLEAR ISLAMISM-JIHAD RISING.

Pragmatically, Israel may indeed have 00's of nuke warheads, but its a relatively small country compared to IRAN + ALIGNED, and IRAN, etc. won't need 00's to obliterate Israel. AS A NUCLEARIZING, FIRST-GENERATION NUC STATE, IRAN FOR NOW WILL ONLY NEED A SCORE OR MORE STRATEGIC WARHEADS, including RELIABLE DELIVERY-TARGETING SYSTEMS, for agz Israel + Local-Regional Deterrence, and can focus most of its indigenous nucdev mil efforts on TACTICAL/BATTLEFIELD NUKES = CBRN/WMDS, + SRBMS + IRBMS [read - Israeli Air-Ground = Conventional Forces] includ for MILITANT-TERR PROXIES [Covert Opers = Sappers?]. In the absence of any US-Iran conflict, the defeat = destruction of the vaunted IDF ["Moderate" Muslim Govts?] is now paramount.

IMO, ISRAEL IS BEING GEOGRAPH "CONTAINED/
ISOLATED" IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE DAMAGE AS PER ANY FUTURE REGIONAL "LIMITED" NUCLEAR WAR [Preemptive/
Limited First Strike]. UNFORTUNATELY, SHORT OF MASS EMIGRATION THE PALEOS IN GAZA-WEST BANK WILL BE ALL BUT "EXPENDABLE" FODDER IN A "FINAL WAR" TO DESTROY ISRAEL, whether they side wid Iran or not.

AGAIN, ISLAMIST IRAN + ISLAMIST MILITANT-TERR NEED TO KEEP THE US, ISRAEL, + ALLIED AMAP OUT OF CENTRAL ASIA + PERIPHERALS, OR IN THE ALTERNATE CONTAINED AND MILPOL DIVERTED.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 06/02/2008 18:35 Comments || Top||

#5  Iran, Syria Sign Defense Pact
Iran and its close ally Syria have signed a new defense cooperation pact, Iranian media reported May 28, just a week after news broke that Israel had begun indirect peace talks with Damascus.
Posted by: ed || 06/02/2008 18:44 Comments || Top||

#6  WAFF.com Threads > GOOGLE VIDEO - AHMADINEJAD SAYS THE INBVADED IRAQ IN FEAR OF THE TWELFTH IMMAM-MAHDI [advent/coming]; + PUTIN: THE USA HAS BECOME A FRIGHTENING MONSTER - URGES FRENCH SOLIDARITY [distancing from suppor of US Policies-Actions].

Also from WAFF [old] > CHAVEZ: THE US PLANNED, FINANCED, AND EXECUTED THE 1980-1986 IRAN-IRAQ WAR.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 06/02/2008 19:16 Comments || Top||

#7  The WAFF people seem to be getting a bit hysterical, JosephM.
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/02/2008 21:01 Comments || Top||

#8  "Iran and its close ally Syria have signed a new defense cooperation suicide pact"

There - fixed
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 06/02/2008 21:24 Comments || Top||


Broken engagements
Engagement doesn't always produce marriage. In the US-Iran case, for example, diplomatic engagements have been repeatedly disastrous. Yet many think the idea of engagement was just invented and never tried.

President John Kennedy pressed Iran for democratic reforms in the early 1960s. The shah responded with his White Revolution, which horrified traditionalists, provoking them to active opposition. One of them was named Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.

President Richard Nixon urged Iran in the early 1970s, under the Nixon Doctrine, to become a regional power, since America was overextended in Vietnam. The shah embarked on a huge arms-buying campaign and close alliance, stirring yet more opposition and fiscal strain, further contributing to unrest.

In the late 1970s president Jimmy Carter pushed Iran to ease restrictions. The result was the Islamist revolution. Next, Carter urged the shah not to repress the uprising, which helped bring about his downfall.

After the 1979 revolution, Carter engaged the new regime to show Khomeini that America was his friend. National security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, who today advises Barack Obama, met Iranian leaders. Teheran interpreted this engagement as an effort to subvert or coopt the revolution, so Iranians seized the US embassy and took everyone there hostage.

The Reagan administration secretly engaged Iran in the mid-1980s to help free those hostages. Result: a policy debacle and free military equipment for Iran.

In recent years there has been a long engagement in which European states negotiated for themselves and America to get Teheran to stop its nuclear weapons drive. Iran gained four years to develop nukes; the West got nothing.
THE HISTORY of US engagement with the PLO and Syria is similar.

The Oslo era (1992-2000) was engagement as disaster, establishing a PLO regime indifferent to its people's welfare. It increased radicalism and violence, with no gain for peace. Aside from its worsened security situation, Israel's international image was badly damaged by concessions made and risks taken.

America's making the PLO a client brought it no gratitude or strategic gain.

Similarly, Syria used the 1991-2000 engagement era to survive its USSR superpower sponsor's collapse while doing everything it wanted: dominating Lebanon, sponsoring terrorism and sabotaging peace. US secretaries of state visited Damascus numerous times and achieved nothing, a process that continued up to 2004.

Syria first helped Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, then sponsored terrorists who disrupted Iraq and killed Americans.
Posted by: g(r)omgoru || 06/02/2008 07:44 || Comments || Link || [2 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The Reagan administration secretly engaged Iran in the mid-1980s to help free those hostages.
Uh, no. "Those hostages" were freed the day Reagan took office.
Posted by: Spot || 06/02/2008 8:12 Comments || Top||

#2  I think he's referring to the hostages in Lebanon, the whole Iran-Contra debacle.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 06/02/2008 10:09 Comments || Top||

#3  I think the writer conflated the two, hopefully an accident by his subconscious.
Posted by: trailing wife || 06/02/2008 13:16 Comments || Top||

#4  I have a vague recollection that members of the soon-to-be Reagan administration were involved in some negotiations over the embassy hostages. Corrections are welcome.
Posted by: SteveS || 06/02/2008 16:03 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Culture Wars
Conservatives more honest than liberals?
Is it OK to cheat on your taxes? A total of 57 percent of those who described themselves as “very liberal” said yes in response to the World Values Survey, compared with only 20 percent of those who are “very conservative.” When Pew Research asked whether it was “morally wrong” to cheat Uncle Sam, 86 percent of conservatives agreed, compared with only 68 percent of liberals.

Ponder this scenario, offered by the National Cultural Values Survey: “You lose your job. Your friend’s company is looking for someone to do temporary work. They are willing to pay the person in cash to avoid taxes and allow the person to still collect unemployment. What would you do?”

Almost half, or 49 percent, of self-described progressives would go along with the scheme, but only 21 percent of conservatives said they would.

When the World Values Survey asked a similar question, the results were largely the same: Those who were very liberal were much more likely to say it was all right to get welfare benefits you didn’t deserve.


Posted by: eltoroverde || 06/02/2008 14:44 || Comments || Link || [3 views] Top|| File under:

#1  I have to wonder how this poll would ahve looked if done in 1995, or if Obama wins. I think Liberals are more willing to admit to cheating on their taxes if they disagree with their government.
Posted by: rjschwarz || 06/02/2008 15:45 Comments || Top||

#2  I think the people we're talking about are best characterized as 'progressives', though I think 'Marxists' or 'left-socialists' or 'Hard-left' or 'moonbats' are just as good.
Posted by: GolfBravoUSMC || 06/02/2008 19:00 Comments || Top||



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