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Success in Iraq stymies Obama's biggest fan

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Posted by Mike 2008-06-02 08:32|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 Andrew will be getting some 'anti' mail now from the more hard core leftists.

No sympathy here however.

Posted by mhw 2008-06-02 11:24|| 2008-06-02 11:24|| Front Page Top

#2 obamas problem is Hillary in this regard.

If the nomination were a wrap, he could flip flop NOW, and acknowledge the serve, try to seperate praise for Petraeus from attacks on McCain/Bush, praise the Iraqi army, and forecast gradual withdrawl and victory.

But the nomination ISNT wrapped, and so he CANT do the flip flop yet. Expect a change of heart in September though.

McCain, ironically is handicapped also by the continued Dem race. Until theres an actual dem nominee to focus on, his base remains less than perfectly steady (though it looks a lot more solid than a couple of months ago) So HE cant flip flop on taxes and the economy - yet.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-06-02 14:58|| 2008-06-02 14:58|| Front Page Top

#3 The other ironic thing of course, is that Pres Bush's sticking to the old Rumsfeld approach and resisting McCains recommendations on Iraq as long as he did, sunk Hillary. If the surge had been done 6 months earlier, and we had been that further along earlier, Hillary would have had far more momentum going into Iowa, and Edwards and Obama less. She would at least have made Iowa close, and with a big win in NH, would have made it close in SC, and sailed into super Tuesday with big momentum. In all probability it would have been over there, or Obama might have struggled on till Pennsylvania. But shed be the nominee.

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-06-02 15:02|| 2008-06-02 15:02|| Front Page Top

#4 Wheels within wheels, LH :-)

Obama is totally screwed if he tries to flip on the war, even if he casts it as responding to new information and the improving situation, which WaPo would like him to do. His strongest base are the progressive Lefties who would never, ever forgive him for flipping.

The analogy is the conservtive base that abandoned GHWB after he broke his 'Read My Lips' promise.

So I think Obama is stuck. Heh.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2008-06-02 15:06|| 2008-06-02 15:06|| Front Page Top

#5 Success in Iraq hurts McCain most. It makes the issue history so that the election will hinge on inflation and housing prices.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-06-02 15:23|| 2008-06-02 15:23|| Front Page Top

#6 SW - maybe hes not THAT stuck.

1. His most solid base is not white progressives, its blacks. Who can swallow a flip flop on the war

2. SOME white progressives (mainly ex Edwards supporters) are more focused on the economy.

3. For the die hard antiwar progs, the parlor pinks who are less concerned about the economy, McCain acts for the Dems like Hillary does for Repubs. Maybe (then im not 100% convinced on that line wrt Hillary either, but now its too late)

4. Geography man. We still vote by the electoral college. Obama is NOT losing Calif, or NY, or most of New England whatever flip flops he makes. What swing states will a flip flop hurt him in - - well, Iowa, Minn, Colorado, probably. But might help in Ohio, Fla, even Virginia. Hmmmm

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-06-02 18:04|| 2008-06-02 18:04|| Front Page Top

#7 Hillary must know that OBAMA will be hard-pressed to "justify/validate" any so-called "DIVERSITY",
"PEACE", or "WITHDRAWAL" agenda, etc. in the face of BOTH ISLAMIST IRAN + MILITANTS GOING NUCLEAR AMAP ASAP 2008-2012. POLLS + PUNDITS > Hillary also knows that she is viewed as matching or defeating Mccain. Iff Obama still desires to adhere to his propsed agenda, HILLARY likely is thinking he will need her as VPOTUS AND BEYOND, NOT MERELY AS CONDI-STYLE SECSTATE, iff only to put up a false facade of "PRO-PEACE" "DIVERSITY" while leaving POTUS Barack in the clear to PDeniably deal militarily forcefully wid NUCLEAR IRAN-ISLAMISM iff need be.

AFTER 2010 > IRAN + MILITANTS-TERROR WILL GO FULL OR INCREASINGLY NUCLEAR AMAP ASAP, + SPREAD ALL OVER CENTRAL ASIA + PERIPHERALS, and exclusive of anything else. THE PAN-ASIAN GEOPOL MILPOL ORDER = "STATUS QUO" WILL BE SERIOUSLY AFFECTED IFF NOT ALTERED.

Something will be seriously wrong within Radical Islam iff they CAN'T DEFEAT THE USA-ALLIES IN THE ME EVEN WID A US-SPECIFIC REDUCED MILFOR PRESENCE + ISLAMISM POSSESSING POTENT NUKES-WMDS, etc.

ABOVE > DARE ANY ISLAMIST HIDDEN IMAM-MAHDI MAKE HIS APPEARANCE MOSTLY TO SAVE ISLAM FROM ITSELF!?

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-06-02 22:48|| 2008-06-02 22:48|| Front Page Top

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