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-Lurid Crime Tales-
Let's hope this is a Learning Experience
And it's "retired" not "former" - especially in this case. Heh.
Posted by: lotp || 03/30/2008 17:35 || Comments || Link || [10 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Note to Police: Look for a teenaged boy walking odd.
Posted by: Glitch Forkbeard9752 || 03/30/2008 18:04 Comments || Top||

#2  Don't know what happened but Glitch Forkbeard wuz me. I kinda like the name, though.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 03/30/2008 18:05 Comments || Top||


No, the Large Hadron Collider won’t destroy the Earth (Luddites fear otherwise, file suit)
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 03/30/2008 01:28 || Comments || Link || [11 views] Top|| File under:

#1  The defendants will first have to convince their own lawyers to fight this, rather than recommend a precautionary shut-down. Since lawyers are to physics as cavemen are to spaceflight, that will take some doing.

I’ve got it! Just remind them that there will be no liability suit if the plaintiffs are right. They will sign off right away.

Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 03/30/2008 1:53 Comments || Top||

#2  Lawyers? Spaceflight? Damn, man, where're those lawsuit papers I had already written up?

Sheite! The judges are no different. They've got the science knowledge of a flea when it comes to particle physics. All they care about is whether the suit has any validity in the law and that depends entirely upon how the lawyers present their cases (too much science and the judge is as likely to zone out as the jurists).

Posted by: FOTSGreg || 03/30/2008 2:21 Comments || Top||

#3  Note to physicists everywhere: Future projects should have more innocuous names. Thank you.
Posted by: gorb || 03/30/2008 3:44 Comments || Top||

#4  I think you're onto something, gorb. How about "Big Love Fluffy Bunny Cuddler?"
Posted by: Atomic Conspiracy || 03/30/2008 4:18 Comments || Top||

#5  A strangelet or "strange nugget" is a hypothetical object consisting of a bound state of roughly equal numbers of up, down, and strange quarks. ...

OMG. People Are Strange!
Posted by: RD || 03/30/2008 4:21 Comments || Top||

#6  RD, your gettin pretty good at this action at a distance stuff!
Posted by: Thraviper Panda2099 || 03/30/2008 5:42 Comments || Top||

#7  I think you're onto something, gorb. How about "Big Love Fluffy Bunny Cuddler?"

Nah. Too scary for liberals. Just name it something they'd understand like "Extramarital Earmark Circle Thingy" and let them argue over spinning renaming it to something more politically correct rather than canceling it.
Posted by: gorb || 03/30/2008 5:54 Comments || Top||

#8  Of course this is all theoretical. Heh.

Been nice to know you and thanks for all the fish. :)
Posted by: Procopius2k || 03/30/2008 12:26 Comments || Top||

#9  gorb: LHC=>Lotsa Happy Campers?
I just hope we can get all our stuff fixed and installed in time. After they fire up the beam (be it for ever so short a time) the caverns officially become radiation areas and work down there gets a lot more complicated.
The website above also points to a page with Sancho's theories. He seems to think galaxies are alive (and predatory). "arrows of organicism?"
Posted by: James || 03/30/2008 13:36 Comments || Top||

#10  The LHC is located in Switzerland and France?

I'm sure they're just jumping at the chance to obey an order from a US Judge in Hawaii...
Posted by: john frum || 03/30/2008 13:37 Comments || Top||

#11  Though, the failure of the magets will delay startup
Posted by: john frum || 03/30/2008 13:44 Comments || Top||

#12  The failed magnet...


Posted by: john frum || 03/30/2008 13:46 Comments || Top||

#13  John, some U.S. Judges have authority over everything in the universe, just ask 'em
Posted by: Frank G || 03/30/2008 13:50 Comments || Top||

#14  Only if they get permission from the UN, Frank.
Posted by: lotp || 03/30/2008 14:01 Comments || Top||

#15  LHC: The international jigsaw puzzle
Posted by: john frum || 03/30/2008 14:07 Comments || Top||

#16  My head hurts...
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/30/2008 15:10 Comments || Top||

#17  neat links and images John, Thanks

Updates on LHC inner triplet failure

On Tuesday, March 27, an "inner triplet" of three focusing magnets and other associated components failed a high-pressure test in the tunnel of the Large Hadron Collider under construction at CERN. This Web page provides updates, published in Fermilab Today, on the nature of the problem, on how the magnets will be fixed and on Fermilab’s investigation into the root causes that led to the triplet failure.

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The pic shows the "cryostat assembly" support structure/s that broke due to asymmetric mechanical loads. ....
Trouble Shooting:
In this case think of; a group of diverse parts and devices all of which are composed of various materials and systems. Then mate them to work as a unit, all the while the entire group is subjected to huge swings in temperature. [and when you are tasked to fix it, then you get STRANGE
Posted by: RD || 03/30/2008 16:09 Comments || Top||

#18  FWIW, the triplet failures are rumored to have been welcome in certain circles, since it gave them somebody else to blame for commissioning delays. Cool-downs aren't going nearly as fast as planned, apparently. Which is just as well, I suppose, since the detectors wouldn't have been ready in time for the original schedule either.
Posted by: James || 03/30/2008 16:28 Comments || Top||

#19  CERN has destroyed the universe several times and the universe has been replaced each time with something stranger. This is apparently the best explanation for Al Gore.
Posted by: Bright Pebbles || 03/30/2008 17:01 Comments || Top||

#20  Just name it something they'd understand like "Extramarital Earmark Circle Thingy"...

There's been a series about "The Black Hole Project", written by Michael Shara and Jack McDevitt, running in Analog. One of my (many, many) problems with the stories is that, if there were a project to artificially create a black hole, the last thing they'd call it is "The Black Hole Project". It's far too direct and sensible.
Posted by: Angie Schultz || 03/30/2008 18:43 Comments || Top||

#21  IOW, NEW OWG SECULARISM > EARTH DEMANDS TO MAGNETICALLY ATTRACT THE SAME ASTEROID, PLANET X's,ETC. WHOM WILL DESTROY THE PLANET???

"God is still dead" - Earth can and does demand to destroy itself thank you???

JAMES EARL JONES in CONAN > showing new captive Da ARNUUULD/CONAN the true meaning of the "RIDDLE OF STEEL > "Come...Come to Me, my Child [space rock]".
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 03/30/2008 18:55 Comments || Top||

#22  Those clamps look like common hose clamps like one used to see on radiator hoses. They are not ment to resist much stress.
Posted by: Deacon Blues || 03/30/2008 19:02 Comments || Top||

#23  The clamps were fine. "asymmetric mechanical loads" is shorthand for "Oh crud, we forgot about the forces along the structure." Much egg on faces at Fermilab, especially for the review committees that approved the original design.
Posted by: James || 03/30/2008 21:42 Comments || Top||

#24  They need some flanged bellows type fittings in line to take up the bends and the flexing. Basic engineering. Basic physics.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 03/30/2008 22:04 Comments || Top||

#25  send them a proposal, AP? I'm tied up with learning the new '08 CBC....2 damn notebooks.... yeesh
Posted by: Frank G || 03/30/2008 22:09 Comments || Top||

#26  Scottie would have had it fixed in no time, and not a red shirted crewman would have been harmed.
Posted by: USN,Ret. || 03/30/2008 23:47 Comments || Top||


Detroiters split on whether mayor should go
That actually sez more about Detroiters than it does about hizzoner.
Posted by: Fred || 03/30/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [12 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Detroiters will split as soon as they CAN go.
Posted by: Anguper Hupomosing9418 || 03/30/2008 0:41 Comments || Top||

#2  Keep blaming THE MAN!, Kwame. Maybe they won't notice that you just happen to be THE MAN!
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/30/2008 0:53 Comments || Top||

#3  Poll results (Dem style) 99% he goes Vs 1% he stays, poll is evenly split. (Yeah sure)
Posted by: Redneck Jim || 03/30/2008 1:23 Comments || Top||

#4  Second worse city in the US
Posted by: regular joe || 03/30/2008 9:55 Comments || Top||

#5  One of my pals used to have a shirt that said - "did you fart or are we in Detroit?" - about sums it up. 40% of de-twat voters are clearly moral retards - stay classy Detroit.
Posted by: Broadhead6 || 03/30/2008 21:09 Comments || Top||

#6  ION, TOPIX > THE TOP TEN BIGGEST CITIES BY 2025. 10 of 33 looming Mega-Cities.

Detroiters might wanna reconsider resisting that GREAT LAKES FREE TRADE ZONE as NYC = Naw Yawk is the only US big 'un in the top ten.
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 03/30/2008 23:12 Comments || Top||


Home Front: Politix
Cheney Road Trip: Pack the Green Duffel
He travels with a green duffel bag stuffed with nonfiction books about military campaigns and political affairs. He has an iPod and noise-canceling earphones to listen to oldies and some country-western.

Oh, and he has two planes, including a C-17 military transport with a 40-foot silver trailer in its belly for his privacy and comfort, and round-the-clock bodyguards and medical staff.

Vice President Dick Cheney is not your regular road warrior. He doesn't wait in airport security lines or take off his shoes to walk through metal detectors. But then, most people do not go to war zones, hobnob with Saudi royalty or dine with prime ministers.

Cheney returned Wednesday from a 10-day trip to Iraq, Oman, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Israel, the Palestinian territory and Turkey. The rigors of travel and ever-present security concerns make sightseeing difficult. Still, he squeezed in a little on his final stop in Istanbul.

The vice president, his wife, Lynne, and daughter Liz saw Topkapi Palace, seat of the Ottoman sultans for almost 400 years. For all his globe-trotting, Cheney had never been to Istanbul, home of the Bosphorus Bridge that links Europe and Asia.

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Posted by: Sherry || 03/30/2008 12:43 || Comments || Link || [18 views] Top|| File under:

#1  Geez, no modular torture chamber for him to play in in case he get's bored?
I must say I'm a little disappointed...
Posted by: tu3031 || 03/30/2008 15:41 Comments || Top||

#2  when you have a track record of running Halliburton, causing Libtard heads to explode, and shooting a lawyer, you deserve some perks
Posted by: Frank G || 03/30/2008 15:59 Comments || Top||

#3  causing Libtard heads to explode, and shooting a lawyer, you deserve some perks..

yes..
PULL
Posted by: RD || 03/30/2008 16:37 Comments || Top||

#4  ION TOPIX > BUSH BEGINS HIS LAST/FINAL WORLD TOUR [as POTUS].
Posted by: JosephMendiola || 03/30/2008 23:16 Comments || Top||


Home Front: WoT
Two Indian soldiers missing in US after military exercise
NEW DELHI - Two Indian soldiers have gone missing during a joint exercise with US troops last week in California and Indian authorities are approaching the State Department for help in tracing them. The army contingent involved in the joint exercise with American troops at Camp Pendleton in California, found that two of its men - Sanjay Mahato and Santosh Thapa - were missing, sources in the External Affairs MInistry said. The troops were participating in exercise Shatrujeet (victory over enemy).

The exercise was part of expanding Indo-US defence cooperation and it was in 2005 that a team had gone to Camp Pendleton for the first time. The next year, US Marines came to India for an exercise at Belgaum. Immediately, the authorities got in touch with the Los Angeles Police Department for assistance in locating the two men, who were being treated on absent without leaven the sources said, adding assistance was also sought from the Indian consulate in San Francisco which took up the matter with the local State Department.

However, with nearly 10 days having passed by, the Indian mission was now going to take up the matter with the US State Department to press authorities in Los Angeles to help trace the two soldiers, the sources said.
Posted by: Steve White || 03/30/2008 00:00 || Comments || Link || [6 views] Top|| File under:

#1  They prob'ly hopped on a bus to Vegas...
Posted by: PBMcL || 03/30/2008 1:44 Comments || Top||

#2  It's a pity that our own local governments aid and abet such people.
Posted by: gromky || 03/30/2008 1:58 Comments || Top||

#3  Mebbe they went to TJ.
Posted by: Alaska Paul || 03/30/2008 2:38 Comments || Top||

#4  Their names were Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse.
Posted by: JFM || 03/30/2008 6:35 Comments || Top||

#5  Missing soldiers are Nepalis (Gurkas)

"Both the jawans are from Nepal and have completed about seven years and four years of service respectively with the battalion of the Indian Army. All equipment and documents, including the passports of the soldiers are safe and are held with the Army contingent officials," Mathur said.

Maintaining that the CoI will trace out details of the incident, Army sources said the soldiers disappeared on the night of March 20, hours after the conclusion of 'Exercise Shatrujeet'. The incident came to light the next day, when they failed to turn up for the morning roll call.
Posted by: john frum || 03/30/2008 7:56 Comments || Top||

#6  "The two soldiers, who are from 1/1 Gorkha Rifles and hail from Nepal, have been declared AWOL (absent without leave). Mahato and Thapa did not take any weapon, ammunition or their passports with them," said an officer.

"If they do not return after 30 days, they will be declared deserters. They will dismissed from service and face penal action on being arrested. It looks like a case of illegal immigration. After our contingent returned from the US on March 23, a court of inquiry is underway into the episode," he added.
Posted by: john frum || 03/30/2008 7:57 Comments || Top||

#7 

NATIONAL TRAINING CENTER, FORT IRWIN, Calif., (March 12, 2008) -- Gorkha 1/1 Indian Army Soldiers observe an assault on a fixed position during a live-fire exercise at the National Training Center, Fort Irwin, Calif. as part of Exercise Shatrujeet 2008. Exercise Shatrujeet is a combined arms exercise conducted by U.S Forces and members of the Indian Army to share knowledge and build interoperability for possible future operations. The 15th MEU Command Element, BLT 2/5, CLB-15 and Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron-165 are continuing with pre-deployment training for a scheduled Western Pacific deployment in the spring of 2008.



NATIONAL TRAINING CENTER, FORT IRWIN, Calif., (March 12, 2008) -- Gorkha 1/1 Indian Army Soldiers, firing Marine Corps weapons, aim in at a fixed target during a live-fire exercise at the National Training Center, Fort Irwin, Calif. as part of Exercise Shatrujeet 2008. Exercise Shatrujeet is a combined arms exercise conducted by U.S Forces and members of the Indian Army to share knowledge and build interoperability for possible future operations. The 15th MEU Command Element, BLT 2/5, CLB-15 and Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron-165 are continuing with pre-deployment training for a scheduled Western Pacific deployment in the spring of 2008.
Posted by: john frum || 03/30/2008 9:23 Comments || Top||

#8  photos of Gurkha basic training
Posted by: john frum || 03/30/2008 10:03 Comments || Top||

#9  Geez, John - they'd scare the living crap out of me.

Great pics - thanks.
Posted by: Barbara Skolaut || 03/30/2008 11:08 Comments || Top||

#10  There are villages in India and Nepal where every family has sons in the military, literally for generations.

Desertion is the 2nd greatest shame that can befall a family (cowardice in battle is the first). It really is "death before dishonor" for these places.

If these two are from such a community, their families will be shunned.
Posted by: john frum || 03/30/2008 11:41 Comments || Top||

#11  Hmm... Ft. Irwin. Lots of desert out there. It's very, very empty, out in the sticks, emptier than most people are accustomed to think of California being.
And I presume that someone has taken a page from the Kingston Trio and checked the Tijuana jails? If I were looking for a couple of missing servicemen in Southern California and the area of Sandy Eggo, that's about the first place I'd look, on the assumption that they went out bar-hopping one night and got in trouble south of the border.
Posted by: Sgt. Mom || 03/30/2008 12:48 Comments || Top||

#12  Doesn't say if they were last seen at Ft. Irwin or made it back to Pendleton, however notifying the LAPD probably says Pendleton. TJ's the other way so someone heard them say something about LA.
Posted by: Muggsy Gling || 03/30/2008 13:22 Comments || Top||

#13  believe it or not - Tijuana's not a good bet. They check ID's, Passport's and Visa's coming back in to the U.S., and with teh crime wave, it's lost it's luster as a party place. If they were in SD, they'd more likely be in Pacific Beach, or the Gaslamp Quarter where the good times are easier....
Posted by: Frank G || 03/30/2008 13:44 Comments || Top||

#14  Anyone check the Quickie Marts in Barstow?

"Yeah, you guys don't look like illegals and I do need a couple new clerks for the night shifts, so maybe..." - Manager.
Posted by: Procopius2k || 03/30/2008 13:49 Comments || Top||

#15  As a native of the OC and a Pendleton Marine, I can't blame 'em. %^&hole India vs SoCal..easy choice. Surprised the whole battalion didn't go over the wire.
Posted by: Bangkok Billy || 03/30/2008 15:37 Comments || Top||


India-Pakistan
'Niazi was forced to surrender in public in Dhaka'
Dhaka: The Pakistani general whose surrender signalled the liberation of Bangladesh, did so, much against his wishes, "before the people of Dhaka", says the Indian officer who organised in 1971 modern history's only public surrender by a vanquished force.

Pakistan's Lt Gen. A A K Niazi was reluctant and wanted to discuss "only a ceasefire under the UN". Later, he agreed to surrender, but in his office. Niazi later claimed that he had been "blackmailed" into surrendering at a public ceremony, watched by thousands, at Dhaka's Race Course (now Suhrawardy Udyan).

"But I did not blackmail him," insists Lt Gen. (retd) J F R Jacob of the Indian Army to whom instructions from New Delhi were merely: "Go and get surrender".
"I didn't need to blackmail him -- I had all the guns."
Jacob narrated the events of December 16, 1971, over 36 years after they happened, during his current visit at the invitation of Bangladesh Army Chief Gen. Moin U Ahmed.

Niazi, unwilling to surrender and that too in public, relented after prolonged talks when told that there could be retaliation from angry people of Dhaka, The Daily Star said on Saturday. Giving Niazi 30 minutes to make up his mind, Jacob walked out. "Going back, I put the paper on his table and asked him, 'Do you accept this document?' For three times he didn't answer and I picked it up and said (it's) taken as accepted," he went on.

During the negotiations, he also asked the Pakistani general to surrender his revolver. "He put a dirty little revolver. The lanyard was dirty and frayed in parts."

In his book Surrender at Dacca: Birth of a Nation, Jacob said he realised only later that the pistol was not Niazi's. It was a normal army issue .38 revolver. "The barrel was choked with muck and apparently had not been cleaned for some considerable time... More likely, Niazi had taken it from one of his military policemen and surrendered it as his personal weapon. I could not help feeling that in his own way, Niazi had got a little of his own back," he wrote.

The surrender was before joint India-Bangladesh forces, to which Major General Rao Farman Ali of the Pakistan Army objected. Pakistanis, 93,000 officers and men, would surrender only to Indians, he said. Jacob said the Pakistani officers were livid at the "humiliation" and swore that they would take badla (revenge).

In holding a public ceremony, the Indians were taking a risk too, with not many troops mobilised yet. "I knew we had hardly any troops outside Dhaka and it was problematic for public surrender... But had it been better to be in safety and make him surrender in his office? No. I wanted him to face the people."

Recollecting those historic moments, the architect of surrender ceremony said, "Niazi retorted, 'Dhaka would fall over my dead body'. But I did it the way I thought it should be. I didn't have any directives or instructions for it. Was it wrong, I ask you?"

Gen. M A G Osmani, chief of Bangladeshi forces, could not be present at the surrender ceremony, a point that has rankled the Bangladeshis. Jacob said Osmani was far away in Sylhet. A helicopter was sent, but he could not reach on time as the helicopter was shot at.
Posted by: john frum || 03/30/2008 13:19 || Comments || Link || [12 views] Top|| File under:

#1  YouTube video of Dhaka University Massacre
Posted by: john frum || 03/30/2008 13:23 Comments || Top||

#2  The Jewish general who beat Pakistan
Posted by: john frum || 03/30/2008 13:25 Comments || Top||

#3 

Pakistani Army Comander in the Eastern Command, Lt. General A. A. K. Niazi, signing the Instrument of Surrender in front of General of Officer Commanding in Chief of India and Bangladesh Forces in the Eastern Theatre, Lt. General Jagjit Singh Aurora. 16th December, 1971.
Posted by: john frum || 03/30/2008 15:21 Comments || Top||



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