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2012-01-02 Britain
British MPs: "We won't eat halal meat"
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Posted by ryuge 2012-01-02 07:08|| || Front Page|| [11133 views ]  Top

#1 I hate to say this, but kosher slaughter is similar. Are we going to see attempts to ban that?
Posted by Eric Jablow  2012-01-02 07:44||   2012-01-02 07:44|| Front Page Top

#2 Eh? There have been attempts for years to ban kosher slaughter, Eric, and even to ban the importation of kosher meat where the slaughter is already banned, Wikipedia has a nice round-up, though no doubt as incomplete as Wikipedia gets on controversial matters -- the writers completely missed New Zealand's ban, f'r instance.
Posted by trailing wife 2012-01-02 08:31||   2012-01-02 08:31|| Front Page Top

#3 If you don't eat yer halal meat, you can't have any pudding! - Imam Floyd
Posted by Shimble Guelph5793 2012-01-02 09:15||   2012-01-02 09:15|| Front Page Top

#4 The enemy slices the throat of an animal and lets it bleed to death. Savages.
Posted by Gerthudion Stalin4019 2012-01-02 11:13||   2012-01-02 11:13|| Front Page Top

#5 I wouldn't mind eating halal meat or kosher meat, but I'll boycott either one if anybody attempts to force it onto the menu in my home. Just as I wouldn't demand the right to eat a cheeseburger in Jerusalem or bacon in Riyadh, it just seems like a simple matter of respect. And I really like bacon.
Posted by AuburnTom 2012-01-02 12:47||   2012-01-02 12:47|| Front Page Top

#6 The enemy slices the throat of an animal and lets it bleed to death. Savages.

The slaughtering method of both Muslims and Jews, Gerthudion Stalin4019. Both commit male circumcision, too. It's possible you haven't thought through your blanket condemnation.
Posted by trailing wife 2012-01-02 13:25||   2012-01-02 13:25|| Front Page Top

#7 Let's face it, killing animals to eat them is something that we do because we are still basically predatory and carnivorous. If you have a problem with that, go vegan.
Posted by Abu Uluque 2012-01-02 13:34||   2012-01-02 13:34|| Front Page Top

#8 Don't some producers simply play a recording of an imam reciting prayers in the slaughterhouse and then label their product 'halal'?
Posted by john frum 2012-01-02 13:44||   2012-01-02 13:44|| Front Page Top

#9 your blanket condemnation.

People are getting fussy over blankets now? Where will it end?

Hey, where does vat-grown meat fit into this picture? Is it halal if it never really was an animal?
Posted by SteveS 2012-01-02 13:55||   2012-01-02 13:55|| Front Page Top

#10 "it just seems like a simple matter of respect"

There's your problem right there, Tom.

For them, respect is a one-way street - you give it, they don't.
Posted by Barbara 2012-01-02 15:12||   2012-01-02 15:12|| Front Page Top

#11 "The enemy slices the throat of an animal and lets it bleed to death. Savages."

Interesting way to look at it, GS4019. When I was young, I helped my grandmother chop the head off the Sunday-dinner chicken (I sat on the bucket she flung it up under until it died). Guess that makes us both savages.

Is shooting, stabbing, or just gutting better? What's your preferred method of killing animals for meat?
Posted by Barbara 2012-01-02 15:20||   2012-01-02 15:20|| Front Page Top

#12 I know about the anti-shechita legislation in France and Switzerland, Barbara. I was just wondering if the anti-Semitic undercurrent in England was coming into play.

Shall we wave a dead chicken over this discussion?
Posted by Eric Jablow 2012-01-02 15:50||   2012-01-02 15:50|| Front Page Top

#13 Only in modern times have many people been able to live their lives without ever having to deal with the less pleasant aspects of butchery. But inevitably, if you eat meat, someone somewhere is dealing with animals in a way that you'd probably rather not witness. And you're lucky that they are.
Posted by ryuge 2012-01-02 15:52||   2012-01-02 15:52|| Front Page Top

#14 "Shall we wave a dead chicken over this discussion?"

As long as I can sit on the bucket until the chicken dies, Eric.

I've got experience... ;-p
Posted by Barbara 2012-01-02 16:27||   2012-01-02 16:27|| Front Page Top

#15 What's really fun about killing chickens by cutting their heads off is watching them run around after they've been beheaded.
Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2012-01-02 16:41||   2012-01-02 16:41|| Front Page Top

#16 May those in the White House be running around in a similar manner on November 7th of this year!
Posted by ryuge 2012-01-02 17:00||   2012-01-02 17:00|| Front Page Top

#17 Only in modern times have many people been able to live their lives without ever having to deal with the less pleasant aspects of butchery.

Indeed. I would encourage anyone that hasn't had the experience of hunting/harvesting (killing, butchering & preparing same)your own meat, to take steps to correct that. Even if it is just once. The skills and experience are priceless and could save your life someday.

Also, if your State/City has an annual livestock show, go to it, walk the display/holding areas and talk with the producers. Most of them appreciate it.

I make a point to attend the Fort Worth Rodeo and Livestock Show every year. I go at least 3 or 4 days out of the three weeks it runs and talk to the small livestock producers, it is a hoot. A bunch of them tell me they look for me every year, not many civies take a lot of interest in where their food comes from. And people should.
Posted by Secret Asian Man 2012-01-02 17:06||   2012-01-02 17:06|| Front Page Top

#18 I've got no problem eating halal or kosher food from an ideological POV. My opposition to them is purely economical. I've noticed in the super markets that these foods tend to be dearer than the non-certified foods. I'm assuming the difference is due to certification, which from what I've read is a bit of a racket.
I've got no wish to contribute to that racket.
My major objection is against situations like :
In2010, the Mail on Sunday revealed schools, hospitals and restaurants are serving halal meat to unwitting customers. Many grocers and fast-food chains including Domino's Pizza, Pizza Hut, KFC and Subway are also using halal meat without ­telling customers.
If this is the case, it should be compulsory to inform customers that is the case and that they are being charged extra due to halal certification, which is helping to fund the Islamization of the country.
Posted by tipper 2012-01-02 17:33||   2012-01-02 17:33|| Front Page Top

#19 "What's really fun about killing chickens by cutting their heads off is watching them run around after they've been beheaded."

That's why Nannie flung it up under a bucket after she cut its head off, Rambler - our back yard was very small and she didn't want the flapping chicken ruining her flower bed (or the vegetable garden, for that matter).
Posted by Barbara 2012-01-02 17:58||   2012-01-02 17:58|| Front Page Top

#20 I don't eat any hot dogs but Hebrew National - they're just better meat, less filler crap, and less shrinkage
Posted by Frank G 2012-01-02 18:24||   2012-01-02 18:24|| Front Page Top

#21 I work in a chemical plant that has both food grade and pharmaceutical grade goop. It has to be Kosher. It takes more time and does increase the cost slightly but it doesn't necessarily make the products any less "toxic" than non-kosher. Most of the time it has to do with types of grease in pumps or types of gaskets even though they will never come in contact with the product.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2012-01-02 18:32||   2012-01-02 18:32|| Front Page Top

#22 I'm reminded of the non-dairy creamer used at my office that's marked as K-D: Kosher-Dairy. Huh?
Posted by Eric Jablow 2012-01-02 19:05||   2012-01-02 19:05|| Front Page Top

#23 So. If they don't like how you dress your meat, they will chop off your head? So much for the future of Western Civilization.
Posted by Unush Panda7572 2012-01-02 19:06||   2012-01-02 19:06|| Front Page Top

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