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2005-03-03 Olde Tyme Religion

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Posted by mhw 2005-03-03 9:47:37 AM|| || Front Page|| [11132 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 yeah right.

Posted by 2b 2005-03-03 10:15:17 AM|| 2005-03-03 10:15:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Then I joined millions of forums. I even chatted with a much respected Ph.D. carrying scholar from Egypt. Boy, was he angry! He literally commanded me to stop reading your articles and move to the Middle East (I am from Australia).

But that was the proof I needed. You donât ask people who share your views to stop reading Islamic sites. Why? Itâs clear. You are not afraid of opposing views. You really mean what you say. Islam is based on blind faith. Muslims seem to accept everything Mohammed (or as they like to think, Allah) said with blind faith.

She catches on fast.... I wish her the best.

Posted by CrazyFool 2005-03-03 10:16:12 AM|| 2005-03-03 10:16:12 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Ditto, CrazyFool -- all the best to Aisha, and her imam who found the truth.

Posted by Gleresh Cravimble3971 2005-03-03 11:09:56 AM|| 2005-03-03 11:09:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 May God be with you Aisha, and your Imam...

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-03 11:49:36 AM|| 2005-03-03 11:49:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Iâm old. My life is coming to an end. But you, Aisha, are young. Run, girl, run before it is too late!â

I'm sorry...that's just too over the top. They need to tone it down a bit. He looked at me with sadness in his eyes. "Aisha, the world is changing, go if you feel you must."

Posted by 2b 2005-03-03 12:05:35 PM|| 2005-03-03 12:05:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Fun link. For the psychologists at ratnburg, here may be the earliest recorded story of projection:

What interests us at this moment is the fact that women prior to Islam did not wear this veil of shame that they are forced to wear today. It was because of Muhammadâs own insecurities, who as an old man, hoarding a harem of young and beautiful women, was fearful of younger and more virile men casting eyes on his wives that the order of veiling was issued.

Posted by Jules 187 2005-03-03 12:13:25 PM|| 2005-03-03 12:13:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 The quote Jules noted was Dr. Sina's explanation of what was behind verse 33:59 in the Quran.

Posted by mhw 2005-03-03 12:42:24 PM|| 2005-03-03 12:42:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 MHW-Yeah, I get it. It's just fun to think about the reasons behind the genesis of the veil. Because Muhammad would violate other women who had some smidgen of flesh open to the air, he believed others would do so, too, thus heralding in the era of the burqa/hijab/whatever the hell else you want to call the caftan of feminine shame.

Posted by Jules 187 2005-03-03 12:54:24 PM|| 2005-03-03 12:54:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 Similar to the masculine dominated early jewish religion blaming original sin on Eve. Adam didn't take responsibility for his own actions but blamed Eve. Not taking responsibility for one's own actions and blaming others seems to be a cornerstone of Islamic belief. May bees pee upon them.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2005-03-03 2:18:52 PM|| 2005-03-03 2:18:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 What interests us at this moment is the fact that women prior to Islam did not wear this veil of shame that they are forced to wear today.

IIUC thats true for Arabia, but not for the entire East. Women were veiled in some eastern med civs prior to Islam. IIUC Big Mo' picked that up, like he picked up a lot of stuff. Whether there is a psychological reason he picked it up is another q, but its hardly something he invented.

Posted by liberalhawk 2005-03-03 2:23:51 PM|| 2005-03-03 2:23:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 Might it be a legacy from their days of living in the desert under intense sunlight? A full head covering helps to keep a woman's facial skin from aging as quickly.

Posted by HV 2005-03-03 2:32:39 PM|| 2005-03-03 2:32:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 LH-Projection is an equal opportunity mental disorder. :)

Perhaps Muhammad didn't invent veiling, but he certainly could be called its PR rep.

DB-nicely worded.

Posted by Jules 187 2005-03-03 2:33:47 PM|| 2005-03-03 2:33:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 ....well-educated man in the Islamic science, Isn't 'Islamic science' an oxymoron?

Posted by GK 2005-03-03 2:44:32 PM|| 2005-03-03 2:44:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 GK
Some muslims call "Islamic Science" the study of the suras and hadiths and their classification by category, by degree of applicability in sharia and by degree of authenticity.

I think that's what Aisha meant.

Posted by mhw 2005-03-03 5:18:50 PM|| 2005-03-03 5:18:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 I had the same thoughts about the little girls I saw outside my apartment waiting for the schoolbus back in '92. I wanted to tell them to run while they still could, before the darkness closed in on them. But, of course, as long as there is anything like Wahhabism holding any form of power, anywhere, there's really no escape, no hope, no future for these wymyn. It's the single most depressing thing about this pathology.

Posted by .com 2005-03-03 5:41:27 PM|| 2005-03-03 5:41:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 That's still damn depressing. Fooey.

Posted by Shipman 2005-03-03 5:47:13 PM|| 2005-03-03 5:47:13 PM|| Front Page Top

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