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2024-06-05 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

Report Details US Troop 'Land Corridors' In Event Of European Ground War With Russia

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Posted by Besoeker 2024-06-05 10:01|| || Front Page|| [11141 views ] Top

#1 ...The one through Turkey seems a tad...optimistic, does it not?

Mike

Posted by MikeKozlowski 2024-06-05 12:30|| 2024-06-05 12:30|| Front Page Top

#2 May want to take that over Scandi Pass. But yes, Bosporus may have something to say about that. Wasn't the 80s plan for 'Route 4' to hook East?

Seem to be getting an uptick of pieces like this leading up to the Big Swiss. Optics pieces for sure, some trial balloons maybe?

Posted by swksvolFF 2024-06-05 13:19|| 2024-06-05 13:19|| Front Page Top

#3 As a fond (?) remembrance of the Fulda Gap war-games of yesteryear, context requires notice of the beginning part of the question, that whole Atlantic Crossing thingy. We have 280 strategic airlift and 470 tankers, which will take a while to move 300k troops, logistics load out and sustainment. SeaLift has better, slower and more vulnerable lift capacity once its organized and before the SINK-EX begins, but there are those pesky 47 attack subs in just the Russian Navy. Just saying its a bit more than just "corridors" for starters...

So interesting map doodles by the copious NATO and Army staff drones, bringing back memories of acetate drops and grease pencil smell!

(WIKI OB Cites as source for both numbers)

Posted by NoMoreBS 2024-06-05 13:36|| 2024-06-05 13:36|| Front Page Top

#4 I'd like to see, would pay good money too, on the NATO side of the table some of the current 'leadership' and on the Soviet side, some 1980s board gamers, for that combined Hunt for Red October+Red Storm Rising game.

Council of 3 would be fine. I'd nominate Austin, Elensky, and a big name heading to the Swiss Coke Fest to be named later. Scratch that. George Clooney as the third.

Posted by swksvolFF 2024-06-05 14:46|| 2024-06-05 14:46|| Front Page Top

#5 My Dad trenched across Europe in WWII.
I still have his 'entrenching tool'.

NATO is planning the trench warfare that isn't winning for Ukraine.

Ordinance, not bodies.
Send in the FOs, Scouts and Specialist teams for drone targeting with active beacons.

Drop the big ones.

Posted by Skidmark 2024-06-05 15:44|| 2024-06-05 15:44|| Front Page Top

#6 1980s board gamers, for that combined Hunt for Red October+Red Storm Rising game

I loved those board games and would play both at the same time. Ah the memories.

Anyway, this really isn't a big secret to how NATO will bring in troops to thwart an attack by Russia. I'm sure Russia has come up with multiple similar scenarios in their wargamming.

At least we won't have to worry about Backfire bombers pelting our transport fleets with missiles in the North Atlantic now.

Posted by DarthVader 2024-06-05 16:49|| 2024-06-05 16:49|| Front Page Top

#7 I loved those board games and would play both at the same time. Ah the memories.

The Age of Kings for table toppers. Back in the days before internet, one of the circle found an ultra-realistic add-on for Axis and Allies, started after the fall of Czechoslovakia, had even triggers like x number of France territories fall, France falls, and roll remaining units and territories as Allied, scuttle (units), or Vichy. Introduced cruisers and extra techs like paratroopers. France/Belgium and China were individual players and had the opportunity to actually make a difference. British Colonies would produce units occasionally, and would get an infantry in SA or Australia if if lucky and air group in Canada which would really help out crossing the Atlantic. Just beautiful, and unmatched, made by people with a passion for the 1930's-1940's history.

Couple years ago I had the opportunity to RPG in the current style. Dude. Well I pissed of the DM immediately by mislabeling as 'Dungeon Master' instead of 'Game Master'. The intro like everyone's first AA meeting speech. I was a male Druid which further pissed of the DM because Druids are supposed to be women. And because everyone is still in diapers and never saw the movie Beastmaster, they were totally unprepared for what a fighting man who can happen to talk to animals is capable of, especially when they are used to the Druid in the group being some whispy witch wannabe, or some xer because that is a thing now, and just Tyson Punched the DM's opening chapter. I never went back.

A toast to you all who were into such things and lived in that age, and those of you who did such things for real.

Posted by swksvolFF 2024-06-05 17:59|| 2024-06-05 17:59|| Front Page Top

#8 Empires in Arms was my go to for ultimate table games. 600+ hours of Grand Campaign goodness. Only issue is the damn cat jumping on it and scattering the counters.

Played DnD since the beginning (THAC0 sucked. Fight me) and loved it until Hasbro started "modernizing and monitizing it". Still some old school fun players out there.

Posted by DarthVader 2024-06-05 19:12|| 2024-06-05 19:12|| Front Page Top

#9 .The one through Turkey seems a tad...optimistic,

Turkey will be busy invading Greece, so traffic will be hellacious. Allow extra travel time.

Seem to be getting an uptick of pieces like this

Does seem to be a lot of chatter about this. Almost like they are trying to get us used to the idea.

Posted by SteveS 2024-06-05 19:15|| 2024-06-05 19:15|| Front Page Top

#10 But, but, Incirlik...and shit! They've been so helpful before!

I hope we implanted nukes

Posted by Frank G 2024-06-05 19:54|| 2024-06-05 19:54|| Front Page Top

#11 Empires at Arms. Interesting; see that Matrix (Video) Games picked it up.

I'll agree THAC0 could be awkward. An alternative to D&D my circle came across was GURPS; a bit more Open World as far the kids would say.

Enjoy RPGs, but my mug of beer was moving pieces, rolling dice, and talking shit, like Battletech or Car Wars, or, because the only Red Dawn movie had been out Fortress America as an afternoon blast - if the USA player didn't yell 'Wolverines!' every time a partisan piece was drawn they got shit.

I get why the Warhammer 40k people are pissed about 'going woke'. Here I thought Battletech people were going to get through the woke window, then the movie Atlas comes out and that's how they got got, Atlas being one of the original Battlemechs being turned into a modern woman cope session. Ugggh.

OG Player: my drop ship brings 3 Atlas 'mechs (one of the OG pre-mades)
My circle today: Ohhh noo, here's a glass of box wine, would you like to talk about it?
OG Player starts doing Aliens quotes.

The card game Magic got the works too. Learned to play, yeah yeah yeah, but those hard core players were hard, playing games for keeps, winner takes all cards, and back then spending $50 on just one card it was high stakes. People got pissed, man you had to have a neutral, knowledgeable referee all sides agreed upon was crucial, especially in 3+ player games.

Ghawd I miss it.

And it may sound stupid, but those were skills learned and applied to a once a future firefighter as far as keeping track of units and responsibilities, details which have to be memorized and referenced in an instant.

Sort of my point on the slight off-topic Especially when I see a Blackhawk airlifting towed artillery to be carried across Scapa Flow to be towed around a Scandi landscape, maybe in Winter, I just want to yell 'Bullshit!'. Uggh.

There's merit in such games, in my opinion, even if just 4 player Stratego. These modern 'candy' games aren't even Angry Birds, or Tetris, they are more like cassimino games with their dinging and 'winner noises'.

/end OG Gamer rant

Posted by swksvolFF 2024-06-05 20:55|| 2024-06-05 20:55|| Front Page Top

#12 Turkey will be busy invading Greece, so traffic will be hellacious.

Hellenacious....perhaps? (Yoda laugh)
/Xerxes

Posted by swksvolFF 2024-06-05 21:06|| 2024-06-05 21:06|| Front Page Top

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