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2015-11-17 Economy

Big socialist governments require open borders and massive immigration

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Posted by Besoeker 2015-11-17 01:58|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 Strange, the big socialist government required walls to keep people in 1948-1990. Those were to keep the productive agents in the harnesses. BTW, those on welfare and dependent upon government to sustain them (non-productive) don't generate much in the way of taxes.

Posted by Procopius2k 2015-11-17 05:08|| 2015-11-17 05:08|| Front Page Top

#2 They do generate votes, though.

Posted by Rob Crawford 2015-11-17 07:24|| 2015-11-17 07:24|| Front Page Top

#3 Maybe the OWG with its massive immigration and open borders is not such a great idea--A Donk vote recruiting scheme.

Posted by JohnQC 2015-11-17 07:38|| 2015-11-17 07:38|| Front Page Top

#4 what have the governments frittered away the taxes on? Those people paid tax while they worked. It should have been saved and invested for pensions.

If you try to prop up the elderly with immigrants all you get is a ponzi scheme + social unrest

and you need to build expensive infrastructure for all the new migrants... new hospitals, schools, roads, these things are not cheap

it is a zero-sum game, it is a stupid idea this idea of endless economic growth through immigration

old people use less resources because they are mostly happy to sit at home and watch TV then go out for the odd lawn bowls and bingo. Give them free public transport and a very low pension they will be happier than if you open the doors to millions of people who do not speak their language or share their culture

Posted by anon1 2015-11-17 10:02|| 2015-11-17 10:02|| Front Page Top

#5 The logic only holds if you assume a large government providing lots of social programs. These are expensive and require a large tax base to support.

The leftoids think immigrants will provide this tax base, but in a democracy that's a foolish assumption. At some point large numbers of immigrants might decide that supporting aging Europeans isn't what they want to do with their spare cash.

Posted by Iblis 2015-11-17 11:32|| 2015-11-17 11:32|| Front Page Top

#6 Blackmail.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2015-11-17 13:28|| 2015-11-17 13:28|| Front Page Top

#7 Totally unacceptable.

Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2015-11-17 13:29|| 2015-11-17 13:29|| Front Page Top

#8 Golly. It sounds like Bat Ye'or was right about Eurabia. (See her Wikipedia page < a href=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_Ye%27or>here)

Posted by trailing wife 2015-11-17 15:59|| 2015-11-17 15:59|| Front Page Top

#9 Bat Ye'or rocks. Eurabia is painstakingly documented, more footnotes than text. I assigned it as reading in a seminar on the EU I taught several years ago, and challenged my libtard students to present evidence that her thesis is wrong.

Crickets

Posted by RandomJD 2015-11-17 19:15|| 2015-11-17 19:15|| Front Page Top

#10 Oh my, RandomJD. 'Tis truthfully said the best teachers are not falsely kind. And you once described lawyers as being like wolf cubs, biting and snapping hard at one another without malice.

One hopes your students took home that lesson as well as the other.

Posted by trailing wife 2015-11-17 19:33|| 2015-11-17 19:33|| Front Page Top

#11 *sigh* Apologies for screwing up the HTML. I must be more tired than I realized. Trying again:

... her Wikipedia page here

Posted by trailing wife 2015-11-17 19:37|| 2015-11-17 19:37|| Front Page Top

#12 In an era when people confuse facts with opinions, and even most scholarship is sloppy, Bat Ye'or's exposure and indictment of one of the more ominous aspects of the "European project" is damning. The Islamization of Europe did not happen by accident, developing mainly through shady back-channel deals with Arab governments. But those deals are enshrined in opaque language in obscure agreements that are accessible to the determined scholar. The combination of outrage and patience it took to research and write Eurabia is very impressive.

As for my students, well, there's only so much damage you can undo in 4 weeks. I think the more strident Europhiles at least walked away feeling less certain that Europe's future would be all gum drops and puppy dogs and rainbows.

Posted by RandomJD 2015-11-17 20:09|| 2015-11-17 20:09|| Front Page Top

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