Article

2003-05-19 Middle East

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by Fred Pruitt 2003-05-19 08:14 am|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I'd be really curious to know the full autopsy details--did he really drown (was there water in his lungs)? If so, was that sea water or bath water? Was he punished for his failure, or did he swim out to sea in shame and humiliation until he exhausted himself?

Posted by Dar 2003-05-19 09:04:53|| 2003-05-19 09:04:53|| Front Page Top

#2 A general FYI. Lots of drowning victims don't have water in their lungs. Severe bronchiospasm keeps it out.

I wonder if his belt was "reused" in one of the recent bombings, or if he got rid of it?

Posted by Chuck 2003-05-19 09:22:16|| [blog.simmins.org] 2003-05-19 09:22:16|| Front Page Top

#3 This siÃ¾spawn may have tried to flee police and swam until he wore out and went to Lucifer.

Posted by Korora the Penguin 2003-05-19 09:42:37|| 2003-05-19 09:42:37|| Front Page Top

#4 Chuck--Thank you for the info! I did not realize that.

However, in follow up to that, how can they prove it's drowning then, and not asphixiation by other means, e.g. smothering?

Posted by Dar 2003-05-19 10:25:44|| 2003-05-19 10:25:44|| Front Page Top

#5 Think they'll dust his back for fingerprints? Oh, wait, that's for defenestration.

Posted by Bubblehead 2003-05-19 10:29:01|| 2003-05-19 10:29:01|| Front Page Top

#6 Dar, the spasm is somewhat unique to immersion. And other methods would leave bruises, fibres, the funny hemmorages in your eyes, etc. Do you get "CSI" on television where you live?

Posted by Chuck 2003-05-19 10:35:57|| [blog.simmins.org] 2003-05-19 10:35:57|| Front Page Top

#7 Chuck--Yep, I get CSI--just don't watch it that religiously now that it's SPRING and the sun doesn't go to bed at 6:00! ;-)

I'm still curious how one can prove drowning. It seems from the descriptions you're giving me (not definitive, granted) that it's proved by the absence of proof of another cause, rather than proof positive of drowning.

Not to nitpick--just curious how it is done. Guess it's time to Google!

Posted by Dar 2003-05-19 11:41:49|| 2003-05-19 11:41:49|| Front Page Top

#8 Google and ye shall find:

10. There are no autopsy findings pathonomonic of drowning. ...[T]he diagnosis is largely one of exclusion.
...
13. It is disputed whether sand, silt, weed, and other foreign matter, found in the airways constitutes proof of immersion during life. The presence of large quantities of water and debris in the stomach strongly suggests immersion during life. Conversely, the absence of water in the stomach suggests either rapid death by drowning, or death prior to submersion.
...
15. There are no universally acccepted diagnostic laboratory tests for drowning. The diatom test is used in some British laboratories and may provide corroborative evidence of death by drowning.

Posted by Dar 2003-05-19 11:46:10|| 2003-05-19 11:46:10|| Front Page Top

#9 Jeez. And he was so good in "Dr. Zhivago". Wonder what made him go bad?

Posted by tu3031 2003-05-19 14:23:50|| 2003-05-19 14:23:50|| Front Page Top

#10 Sharif is a such a loser he couldve played for DERBY COUNTY next season... wish he killed a few Israelis b4 he had a swim

Posted by Peter North 2003-05-26 15:48:23|| 2003-05-26 15:48:23|| Front Page Top

15:48 Peter North
09:08 Anon1
07:57 True German Ally
07:56 ----------<<<<-
07:16 Chuck
07:03 Chuck
07:02 Chuck
06:59 Ptah
06:05 Hiryu
02:45 Lihu
00:45 Steve White
00:45 Phil B
00:27 R. McLeod
00:09 Brian
00:03 Brian
00:00 Mike Kozlowski
23:36 Bomb-a-rama
22:37 Mark IV
22:26 Old Patriot
22:18 Old Patriot
21:40 Old Patriot
21:39 Watcher
21:11 Alaska Paul
21:04 eLarson