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2004-01-28 Europe

France Identifies Seventh Detained National at Guantanamo Bay

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Posted by TS 2004-01-28 2:44:36 PM|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Showed the mission man his "Ecole de da Stablishment" ring. Which I believe uses a kidney stone in as it's center piece.

Posted by Shipman 2004-1-28 2:57:53 PM|| 2004-1-28 2:57:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 The biggest clue to his identity was the fact that he had surrendered.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-1-28 3:00:35 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-1-28 3:00:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Mr Crawford

By your own logic Georges Washington was a French. A squared French since he surrenderred to the French.

There are two things I hate: people who blame the soldiers for the faults of the leaders and people who spit on graves.

1) The 1940 French soldiers didn't fail in the part about dying for their country (3,000 a day, more than at Verdun. Two Vietnams and half in just fourty days). What they failed was in making the ennemy die for his country (four french killed for evry german).

2) The Russians spent 1941 surrenderring and withdrawing at a quicker pace than the French. But the Russians could afford to lose far more space and far more people. BTW Stalin tried to ~~surrender~~ negotiate with Hitler. But Hitler refused to negotiate.

3) The British spent 1941 and most of 1942 providing fresh inmates to Germany's prisoners camps. And the US Army's own official history tell that American soldiers performance in their first clashes with the Germans was far from stellar. What I am trying to tell here is not insinuating that the {Russian, British, American} soldiers were cowards but that until the Blizkrieg was really assimilated evryone was having his ass kicked. But some nations got a breathing time either from the sea or from their immensity.

4) In the few places where teh French had half decent leaders it was the Germans who surrendered.

5) Appalling generalship was what destroyed the 1940 Army. And covert maneuvers by ambitious politicians what brought Petain to power. It wasn't a vote.

If you are interested I can mail you a text I am writing who gives a bird's eye view from the campaign of France. Blame the 2004 French as much as you want, I will even provide you material about infamies they, not their ancestors, have perpetrated but you would oblige me if you didn't deride all the French soldiers in history from the 1940 people whose main tort was to have the wronbg establishment to the 1914 soldiers who charged machine guns nests in bright red trousers and still won.

Posted by JFM 2004-1-28 4:36:08 PM|| 2004-1-28 4:36:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 JFM - IMHO your comments are right on, and I'm sure most here would agree. WW2 French who lost their lives defending their nation have nothing to apologize for. Vichy were another subject, but still in the long-past. I think most Americans revel in the schadenfreude of the decline of the French state because of the post WW2 and Cold War actions and attitudes of the French government, media, and their followers, which we Americans perceive as anti-american, ungrateful, and falsely projecting moral superiority. Nobody expects France to forever thank the US for WW2 sacrifices on their behalf, but don't f*&k with us and tell us how "stupid we are for getting riled, because, after all, we are allies". They have actively supported our enemies and done their best in thwarting our actions for our national security.

Posted by Frank G 2004-1-28 6:43:12 PM|| 2004-1-28 6:43:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Frankly, I don't care where these jihadi monkeys come from. The fact is, they took up arms against my country. That only entitles them to a short list of consequences: killed in action, hanged from a tall tree with a short rope, or locked in a 3'x7'x7' cell until WE decide they should be set free. We should tell anyone that doesn't like it to piss up a rope in a strong wind.

If they make war against us, they are our enemy, regardless of where they may have called home before picking up a weapon. The rest is bulls$$$.

Posted by Old Patriot 2004-1-28 9:21:23 PM|| [http://users.codenet.net/mweather/default.htm] 2004-1-28 9:21:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 JFM - so you're saying that the man in detention is a soldier? What country's constitution did he swear allegiance to upon enlisting? What was his rank? What badges did he wear on his uniform?

All that aside, still it would be nice to have a copy of that treatise you mention. The Battle of France is a personal favorite of mine, not because France loses, but becuase it shows what can happen when a democracy gets lazy and loses its way.

Posted by gromky 2004-1-29 6:14:11 AM|| 2004-1-29 6:14:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 whoops, my email in link

Posted by gromky 2004-1-29 6:14:49 AM|| 2004-1-29 6:14:49 AM|| Front Page Top

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