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2004-01-28 Home Front

Quiet diesel subs surface as new threat - paid for by Electric Boats

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Posted by Super Hose 2004-01-28 9:49:39 PM|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Don't be so sure that we can catch them - diesels, with all the quieting of modern (US-UK) Nuc boats (well designed and machined screws, vibration damping, anechoic coatings, and now composite material to reduce the magnetic signature, etc), these things can be essentially undetectable when turning slow screws and running on battery.

Also given the noise in brownwater ops and coast/littoral, these guys can hide quite well.

Best counter are FG/DD's and helis.

Or to be proactive and lay mines in their harbor mouths, then fling missles at their ports to drive them into the mines :-)

Posted by OldSpook 2004-1-28 10:11:01 PM|| 2004-1-28 10:11:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 We also have the new 'PT' boats the US Navy is considering. These boats may possibly be built just to counter such a threat.

Diesel subs are like house cats. They gotta come up and take a dump sometime. Their ability to stay underwater is severely limited by battery power.

All a diesel sub has to do is to stick its snokel up, and it is found.

Posted by badanov 2004-1-28 10:20:54 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2004-1-28 10:20:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Unescorted P-3âs are not safe for patrolly an enemyâs contiguous waters.

My question: how does an airframe similar to the proposed tanker improve upon that?

Use more boomers to launch tomahawks. Use the fewer atttack subs against deisel subs. Heloâs are even safer to use against subs but sub on sub engagement has its advantages with respect to thermal layers.

Agreed. However, there are places a boomer can't go.

Unmanned subs should be explored as a cost effective alternative to attack subs.

Perhaps a more cost-effective method would be to use USVs in concert with attack subs as an ASW system, (thinke German anti-mine Troika system).

Posted by Pappy 2004-1-28 11:14:38 PM|| 2004-1-28 11:14:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Any chance of using a modified SURTASS type array off an FFG? Try laying it outside the littorals as a kind of SOSUS? Or expand keeping track of the diesel boats' cows and re-supply ships?

Posted by Jack Deth 2004-1-28 11:55:56 PM|| 2004-1-28 11:55:56 PM|| Front Page Top

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