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2004-06-25 Iraq-Jordan

U.S. Army Told Not to Use Israeli Bullets in Iraq

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Posted by rex 2004-06-25 12:18:17 AM|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Is this an actual law that was passed? Or just a bunch of idiot politicians telling the Army what to do?

And I'll be calling my Representative Eric Cantor in the morning. And Senator Warner. This is shameful.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2004-06-25 12:25:26 AM|| 2004-06-25 12:25:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Who gives a shit what bullets are used?

Maybe we can start a rumor that ours are dipped in pig fat.

Posted by someone 2004-06-25 12:26:39 AM|| 2004-06-25 12:26:39 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Who gives a shit what bullets are used?

Answer:
the uber sensitive googooheads who hold the purse strings at the House of Representatives Armed Services subcommittee with jurisdiction over land and tactical air forces

Posted by rex 2004-06-25 12:39:32 AM|| 2004-06-25 12:39:32 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Politically correct bullets, how Democratic Party.

Posted by Capt America 2004-06-25 12:50:10 AM|| [http://captamerica.blogspot.com/] 2004-06-25 12:50:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Capt America---the politically correct bullets are called PCBs.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-06-25 12:58:51 AM|| 2004-06-25 12:58:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Politically correct bullets, how Democratic Party.
Wrongo...this is a bi-partisan, shared sensitivity mindset, and aren't we conservatives happy about that? The Chairman of this subcommittee is a Republican for gosh sakes and he is quoted as supporting this googoohead nonsense. How can we win the WOT when we have morons running this country?

Posted by rex 2004-06-25 12:59:15 AM|| 2004-06-25 12:59:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Laugh all you want - those casings show up in Iraq, AL Jizz puts it on the TV regionally, and all the idiot Islamicist propagandists there scream even louder about the "Zionist plots" - and move of whats left of the middle gets pulled into the Islam-o-nut faction.

As "PC" as it sounds, its good policy.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-06-25 1:05:11 AM|| 2004-06-25 1:05:11 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 OldSpook has 'real politic' insight, to be sure! But god damn that shit. Jew rounds are offensive to a devout muslim. Likie muslim fears should ever be trampled apon? Those asses have been using their percieved injustices, based upon the prophi-et, may whatever be pissed upon his evil grave, as a reason for ignorant people to kill, maim, and cause havok.

Sorry, just hate the PC that is islamic understanding.

OldSpook, nothing about Zionist bullets will change anything. The die is cast, has been, you know that. Shoot a cleric, so what? Shoot a GI, so what? Shoot a apple cart vendor, so what. The die is cast, it's a blood libel.

Al Jizz, so what, they will paint the picture in their own way. Jew rounds or not.

It's that backward culture folks! It needs to be confronted.

Posted by Lucky 2004-06-25 1:44:41 AM|| 2004-06-25 1:44:41 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 So... Was fine Damascus steel used in the blades that beheaded Berg, Johnson, Soon Il? Just wondering.

Mebbe those cartridges should be shipped over to commemorate the day when all pretense is dropped and Al Jizz & Friends are granted the correct credentials / status. Press they are not.

Posted by .com 2004-06-25 1:52:33 AM|| 2004-06-25 1:52:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Yep! And I don't care what they say. They could say Mexican UFO's confirmed, so what. Al Jizz says what they say to further a geo-political force. If they become a target tommorrow it's like a day to late.

Posted by Lucky 2004-06-25 2:09:19 AM|| 2004-06-25 2:09:19 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 I really don't care what bullets are used, as long as this restriction isn't paid attention to or lifted when supplies run low.

Then again, if it means that the training rounds it replaces become COMBAT rounds ... then I'd go along with it >_>

*ducks and hopes not to die at Rantburger hands*

Posted by Edward Yee 2004-06-25 3:32:14 AM|| [http://edwardyee.fanworks.net] 2004-06-25 3:32:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Al-Jazeera doesn't need actual evidence. They just make stuff up. It doesn't matter if it's true or not, in the absence of news, they simply invent it.

Posted by gromky 2004-06-25 4:56:55 AM|| 2004-06-25 4:56:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 Im a liking the idea of a Mexican UFO shooting Jooooo bullets!

Posted by Shipman 2004-06-25 7:24:35 AM|| 2004-06-25 7:24:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 think of it this way: this is an ideological war.

We are trying to fight the Islamofascists and at the SAME TIME drive a wedge between them and the moderate muslims.

If you use israeli bullets, you give a propaganda christmas present to the Islamofascists who say to the MMs (who we need to help us fight the culture war)... "see? It's true.. it's a zionist conspiracy.. its the jooos ".

Bad for us.

If it helps further our goals to not use israeli bullets, if we have enough non-israeli bullets and we are not running out, then it would be a very closed-minded person who wanted to sacrifice tactical advantage for pride.

Yes, you DO have to be culturally sensitive if you don't want to fight a war like knuckleheads and lose. Psy-ops and cultural considerations are the MAJOR not the minor part of the WOT. The shootings and bombings are the minor part. Cultural change is the objective.

Posted by Anon1 2004-06-25 7:38:06 AM|| 2004-06-25 7:38:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 I thought you were supposed to use square bullets against mooselimbs.

Posted by Laurence of the Rats 2004-06-25 8:30:46 AM|| [http://www.punictreachery.com/] 2004-06-25 8:30:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 I don't understand. Do the slugs leave Star of David-shaped holes? When you fire them, does the report sound like "chutzpah"? Or maybe, as the slug goes through the air, it whistles "Hava Nagila"?

Just how the hell is anyone supposed to know it's an Israeli bullet?

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-06-25 8:33:22 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-06-25 8:33:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 The very fact that this was made public -- that Israeli bullets are being used at all -- will be enough for the arab media to pounce on.

Posted by PlanetDan 2004-06-25 8:35:14 AM|| 2004-06-25 8:35:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 PlanetDan - absolutely.

Somebody (Paleos, Al-Jizz) somewhere has had an opportunity to pick up some Jooooo brass. All they have to do is dump a pocketful on the ground, "discover" it, and point a video camera at it. Then, Rep. Abercrumbie and the rest of the Dhimmicrats can get a bad case of the vapors and demand an investigation.

Nuts.

Posted by Darth VAda 2004-06-25 8:56:13 AM|| 2004-06-25 8:56:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 I don't understand.

Is this decision in order to make the Islamofascists like USA better (because we're killing them with non-Israeli bullets, they'll be grateful to us) or to like Israel better? (they will no longer seek Israel's destruction because it'll be only non-Israeli bullets that are killing them in Iraq?)

I don't think that such a war can be won unless people are willing to support it as being morally right. Everyone already knows that Israel and the USA are allies, what difference does the origin of the specific bullets make?

Posted by Aris Katsaris 2004-06-25 9:03:48 AM|| 2004-06-25 9:03:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 OhMyGawd! Aris is making sense!

Screw these PC sensibilities!
The jihadis are going to say the whole WOT's a Zionist plot anyway...
Just go full metal jacket and do it!
And dip them in bacon fat just to be on the safe side!

Posted by Jen 2004-06-25 9:11:15 AM|| [http://www.greatestjeneration.com] 2004-06-25 9:11:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 Is this decision in order to make the Islamofascists like USA better (because we're killing them with non-Israeli bullets, they'll be grateful to us) or to like Israel better?

its not to make the jihadis we're fighting like anyone better. There ARE, however, ordinary Iraqis who are willing to give the US a chance, but who dislike Israel. If we're only going to accept allies in Iraq who are friends of Israel, that limits us to the Kurds, and handful of secularists, mainly exiles. 25% of the population tops. Instead we want the support of all who are glad to be rid of Saddam, and who fear the victory of AQ. More like 80%.

Its reality folks - the democrats AND the Republicans AND the administration understand it. And I expect Ariel Sharon and the Israeli govt understand it too. Israel looks to the US to remain firm on Arafat, on the wall, and to encourage Egypt and Jordan to help marginalize Arafat. Selling bullets is a low priority, I think.

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-06-25 9:23:08 AM|| 2004-06-25 9:23:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 Can we still inject pigs blood into the bullets?

Posted by CrazyFool 2004-06-25 9:51:30 AM|| 2004-06-25 9:51:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 I guess they'll have to be used on the Syrians then, if fired by US Troops. They're the only bunch at the nexus: people we're likely to fire upon & who have a grasp of the reality that being killed by Israeli bullets comes with the Jooo hatred thingy and the too stupid to live thingy.

LH - Good one: "Iraqis... dislike Israel." I don't know if I would use "dislike"... a blind indoctrinated hatred, perhaps? Hard to imagine that 1 out of 100 Iraqis has ever even come into contact (knowing or not) with an Israeli, much less come to know one sufficiently to form a rational dislike, much less a dislike strong enough to extend to an entire nation.

Now if you said someone hated Americans, well now, that I can understand! Or Bush, er sorry, Shrub. No problemo. Funny, though how convoluted the rationale gets when the BushHitler thingy is in play, since there's a dicotomy of thought, a certain schizophrenic and dysfunctional aspect, and... well, nevermind, heh. Meds. Heavy meds. :-)

Posted by .com 2004-06-25 10:03:29 AM|| 2004-06-25 10:03:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 Hard to imagine that 1 out of 100 Iraqis has ever even come into contact (knowing or not) with an Israeli

Point of historical info - i bet most of the elderly Iraqis came into contact with people who went on to become Israelis - considering the ubiquity of Iraqi Jews in the population of Israel. I once spent the Sabbath at the Tel Aviv home of a student whose dad was Iraqi, and whose mom was Polish. The Iraqi "arab" Jews were educated and anglicized - the most educated component of the Afro-asian ("oriental") jews in Israel - compared to North Africans and Yemenites. They made up like 25% of the circa 1940 population of Baghdad, IIUC. Most went to Israel, some to Hong Kong - where they kept up their Brit empire loyalties. Kurdish Jews, OTOH, were generally poor and uneducated. Poor work in Israel used to be called "avodah kurdit" before it became "avodah aravit"

Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-06-25 10:29:30 AM|| 2004-06-25 10:29:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 If you use israeli bullets, you give a propaganda christmas present to the Islamofascists who say to the MMs (who we need to help us fight the culture war)... "see? It's true.. it's a zionist conspiracy.. its the jooos ".

You know, if those "MM's" are that easily influenced by fanatical Islamic cleric retards, then it seems to me that little value is added by trying to win them over. A tenuous alliance that can possibly be broken by something as trivial as a bullet's origin simply isn't worth the effort.

Suppose a bullet chambered in some U.S. soldier's rifle came from Winchester Ammunition instead, but was put together by someone named Asher or Cohen? Then what?

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-06-25 10:59:16 AM|| 2004-06-25 10:59:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 #14

Yes, you DO have to be culturally sensitive if you don't want to fight a war like knuckleheads and lose.

Yesiree! Culturally sensitive enough to let them hoodwink you.
Bush starts a "Roadmap for Peace" with his Aquaba conference and the Egyptians stymy his efforts by permitting the smuggling of explosives and arms.

They are not going to like you anyway and any excuse will do. Being PC or now CS while you are fighting a war will make you lose.
Just look back to Fallujah and being CS about your enemy has just given them more impetus to blow up Iraq.

Posted by Cynic 2004-06-25 12:09:07 PM|| 2004-06-25 12:09:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Just remembered something. Wasn't it the FBI who would not employ American Jews fluent in Arabic to work as translators so as not to inflame ~~the Arab street~~ their Islamic translators?
Where CS certainly hurt America.

Posted by Cynic 2004-06-25 12:17:33 PM|| 2004-06-25 12:17:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 oh. now ima see why post is disapear. the story already covered. :)

Posted by muck4doo 2004-06-25 12:17:35 PM|| [http://meatismurder.blogspot.com/] 2004-06-25 12:17:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 I thought this was a scrappleface thing at first. Gimme a break, doesn't matter what bullets we use imho for the reasons Aris mentioned; plus, our lads in the field need them, the taxpayers already bought them, lock & load I say. This type of sh*t is exactly the reason why I hate most politicians - making much adieu about nothing while lives are on the line. Some of these guys need to go back to shampooing their poodles.

Posted by Jarhead 2004-06-25 12:59:43 PM|| 2004-06-25 12:59:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 What O.S. is saying makes sense. No point in giving the enemy ammo (pun intended) to create myths that aren't useful to us.

That said, it wouldn't hurt to turn around and ask said Congress-critters why the hell they didn't ensure there were sufficient rounds in the first place.

Posted by Pappy 2004-06-25 3:30:38 PM|| 2004-06-25 3:30:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 As long as we're being politically sensitive, "someone's" comment about dipping the bullets in lard has merit. Let the Jihadis know that we will kill them with "Hell bullets" contaminated with pig fat and that they will never see Paradise. The rumor that British Army cartridges were coated with pig and cow fat was enough to start the Sepoy mutiny in 1857. The actual thing ought to twist a few turbans now.

Posted by RWV 2004-06-25 3:33:26 PM|| 2004-06-25 3:33:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 No way could we use a tried and true[Sepoy mutiny 1857] weapon against Muslim jihadists. We are much too smug about our side being so civilized and sensitive to friend and foe alike to use something barbaric[albeit successful] as dipping our bullets in pig's lard. Even starting a rumor like that would tarnish our reputation as "world liberator" and image is all important in war as we all know. Regarding GI's lives, well that's a secondary priority and no doubt the families of GI's would much rather have their sons and husbands put in harm's way in a war that has no end in sight rather than besmerch their reputation and have a quick end to the enemy's violence. America will stay in Iraq as long as it takes[whatever that means???]...even though it may be 100's of years that our GI's continue to be killed and maimed in Iraq, we can hug ourselves with the knowledge that we are fighting "fair"...

Posted by rex 2004-06-25 4:14:09 PM|| 2004-06-25 4:14:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 JarHead! How's every little damn thing?

Posted by Shipman 2004-06-25 4:19:20 PM|| 2004-06-25 4:19:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 PRetty simple: We know that bees are pretty stupid, and we know where the bee's nests are. No sense in walking up to them and thwacking them with a stick. At least not until we have the resources to deal with the bee swarm.

Posted by OldSpook 2004-06-25 4:27:11 PM|| 2004-06-25 4:27:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 #17 PlanetDan:

The very fact that this was made public -- that Israeli bullets are being used at all -- will be enough for the arab media to pounce on.

And look who made it public. If these crapweasel politicians hadn't opened their fat yaps, how the hell would the Arabs have known?

Can you say "giving aid and comfort to the enemy"?

And I vote for Israeli bullets loaded with pig fat.

BTW, this morning I called AND e-mailed both of my Senators and my Congressman. If y'all haven't done so, it might be more effective for you to contact your own Congresscritters to express your displeasure with this crap, instead of just complaining about it here.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2004-06-25 6:22:34 PM|| 2004-06-25 6:22:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 We should be carpet bombing these sand monkey pieces of human shit with bacon bits and pork rinds.My bumper sticker says"Nobody beats America:NOBODY!":These islamomaggots should read it while my rear wheels are grinding their face into hamburger.

Posted by WhiteHouseDetox 2004-06-25 11:10:17 PM|| 2004-06-25 11:10:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 wow - somebody out-harshed me! I need to rethink my ~~rants~~ complex social theorems

Posted by Frank G 2004-06-25 11:21:42 PM|| 2004-06-25 11:21:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 So does this mean that swabbing your rifle bore with a slice of bacon before combat is frowned upon?

Posted by SteveS 2004-06-25 11:30:52 PM|| 2004-06-25 11:30:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 You know, Israel freaks them out so much, let's pick 5 terrorist supporting ME nations, depopulate them and give the land to Israel. And make sure they know, after we exterminate them, the jews get their land.

Posted by Silentbrick 2004-06-25 11:54:16 PM|| 2004-06-25 11:54:16 PM|| Front Page Top

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