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2004-08-10 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by Dar 2004-08-10 9:30:10 AM|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Dar:

"If just ONE of the six victims had had a gun..."

The results would most likely have been the same. These people were attacked in their sleep. Those that did wake up probably never had the time to assess the situation and respond.

Now, if there had been a large hostile canine in the house, that might have given someone the needed time to react.

"It is your CIVIC DUTY, in my opinion, to be able to protect yourself, your home, and your guests! ANY gun trumps a baseball bat and a knife! "

On this point, you will get no argument from me. I believe it should be required by law that people learn how to defend themselves and possess the means to do so. In fact, there is a place in Georgia that requires just that. Can't remember the name though.

At the Casa de Loco en Tejas, we have guns AND dogs!

CiT (Crazy in Texas)

Posted by CiT 2004-08-10 10:17|| 2004-08-10 10:17|| Front Page Top

#2 A gun without the willingness to use it is just a lump of metal. I agree with CiT about the dog. Generally the noise from a dog intimidates bad guys. They don't like the noise drawing attention.

Of course in this case they had a small dog and it was killed as well.

Posted by yank 2004-08-10 10:25|| politicaljunky.blogspot.com 2004-08-10 10:25|| Front Page Top

#3 Troy Victorino, who was on probation for a 1996 violent crime, was arrested on July 29 on charges that he beat up a friend in a dispute over money. That arrest sounded no alarm bells with his probation officers so he posted $2,500 and was released. Victorino met with his probation officer last Thursday -- the day before the brutal slayings. The officer knew of Victorino's recent arrest but failed to call authorities to arrest him. Four of the lazy assed probation officers have been fired. Probation officers fired after 'XBox killings'. BTW, Victorino's victim in the 1996 crime remains in a near-vegetative state. With this idiot's history of violence you'd think someone in the correction system would care. Why was he on parole in the first place?

Posted by GK 2004-08-10 10:26|| 2004-08-10 10:26|| Front Page Top

#4 Chomps sez, "yumm, visitors..."

Posted by .com 2004-08-10 10:30|| 2004-08-10 10:30|| Front Page Top

#5 Why was he on parole in the first place?

You insensitive brute! He clearly had a..err...bad upbringing because his parents didn't make a living wage. And the public schools weren't properly funded. His self-esteem wasn't properly developed. And...ah the hell with it...Bush lied!

Posted by dreadnought 2004-08-10 10:46|| 2004-08-10 10:46|| Front Page Top

#6 dont count on dog for defend. ima just need small dog wake me up. glock model 22 15 round clip with em +2 base plate is take care of rest! you are wanna come my house bitch!!! ima say blam on you knee!!! how are you like that gimpy!?! let me give you matching set!!! blam you other knee short shit!!! let me shoot at you teeth!!! blam eat teeth bitch!!! you still hungry!?! here! eat you want em xbox!?! ima put an x you box bitch!!! take that and that and that!!! blam blam blam!!! shut up dog!!! blam!!! now die and get you salad toss in hell!!! blam blam blam!!!

them im call police.

Posted by muck4doo 2004-08-10 11:24|| http://www.meatismurder.blogspot.com 2004-08-10 11:24|| Front Page Top

#7 Lol! Perfect, man, perfect. And if he has enough left to try to crawl away you drag his ass back over the door sill and shoot him again.

Then make coffee, have a cup, check the news, call your kids...

Then call the police. A daze, officer. I'm in a daze.

Posted by .com 2004-08-10 11:33|| 2004-08-10 11:33|| Front Page Top

#8 Muckie... you're my hero. LOL.

Posted by Sgt. D.T.">Sgt. D.T. 2004-08-10 11:58|| 2004-08-10 11:58|| Front Page Top

#9 I dunno guys - my dog's paw's are so small they can't depress the grip safety on my M1911. I suppose I should loosen up on the wallet and get her something she can handle.
Oops, methinks I'm missing the point. . .

Posted by Doc8404 2004-08-10 11:59|| 2004-08-10 11:59|| Front Page Top

#10 coffee alert Muck!!!

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2004-08-10 12:05|| 2004-08-10 12:05|| Front Page Top

#11 #5. Yeah, dreadnought, that must be it. But, if he must be on parole, see #6 for solution.
mucky, i have tears from laughing so hard
you da man

Posted by GK 2004-08-10 12:20|| 2004-08-10 12:20|| Front Page Top

#12 Guns are good in the hands of responsible individuals. Irresponsible individuals on the other hand are another story.

I almost got shot by my roomate with an AK one night coming home late. I was in my bathroom getting ready to go to bed when the door creeked open to reveal my battle ready roomy pointing his assault riffle at my head.

He had a nack for getting into trouble with firearms. Finaly realized his problem when he thought it would be good practice for hitting moving targets by dry firing at figures on the tv. He cleaned his glock, cocked it, removed the clip, then shot the tv, moron.

Posted by 2% 2004-08-10 12:22|| 2004-08-10 12:22|| Front Page Top

#13 Muck-
To paraphrase Mel Brooks, not only was that authentic internet gibberish, but it expressed a courage that is little seen in this day and age.
*raises glass*

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2004-08-10 12:30|| 2004-08-10 12:30|| Front Page Top

#14 In this type of situation a hand gun is not much use. A person would have to be awake and have very easy access to it. There doesn't seem to have been time for any kind of resistance. In most scenarios, an attacker waking you up has more time to get to you than you do to wake up, assess the situation, and respond. This is a very tragic occurance but a hand gun would not have prevented it. Registration of baseball bats is what's called for. Everyone wanting to buy a baseball bat should have to go through a background check and get a permit.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2004-08-10 12:30|| 2004-08-10 12:30|| Front Page Top

#15 Whoa muck! Now those are some heart-felt sentiments....a true Hallmark moment in the Rantburg tradition. Awwww heck, I'm gettin' all teary-eyed.

Posted by Rex Mundi 2004-08-10 12:43|| 2004-08-10 12:43|| Front Page Top

#16 Mucky - Since I don't have your pic to work with, I can only offer this image in your honor... :-)

Posted by .com 2004-08-10 12:51|| 2004-08-10 12:51|| Front Page Top

#17 ima not mess around if someone is burgle! they arent wanna lern that hard way.

.com im liking the pichure but ima have more hair than him. :)

Posted by muck4doo 2004-08-10 13:12|| http://www.meatismurder.blogspot.com 2004-08-10 13:12|| Front Page Top

#18 Eds. I think this goes in the classics! Shshsh, nobody disturb Mucky, he's sleeping (tip toe, tip toe).
BTW - I like a shotgun; you don't have to aim so carefully (especially when sleepy).

Posted by Spot">Spot 2004-08-10 13:29|| 2004-08-10 13:29|| Front Page Top

#19 Mucky, that was one of the funniest posts ever.

Posted by Dragon Fly (on vacation)">Dragon Fly (on vacation) 2004-08-10 13:35|| 2004-08-10 13:35|| Front Page Top

#20 DB--I agree and disagree. These people were warned by the chief perp earlier--he threatened them, stating exactly what he later would do, and slashed their tires. I would have taken that very seriously, especially with the tire slashings underlining the threat.

I can't understand how the perps could kick in a locked door without waking at least one of the SIX people in the house either, and with four perps attacking six people I'd figure one of the six could have been free to grab a weapon if one had been handy!

OTOH, maybe having six people in the house would be confusing--any noise might have been dismissed by the victims as coming from one of the other houseguests, allowing the perps to isolate each victim or each couple.

Anyway, I'm with Mucky--I always have a .357 in my nightstand just in case some goblin does try to break in! I got my own X-BOX to defend, dammit!

Posted by Dar">Dar 2004-08-10 13:51|| 2004-08-10 13:51|| Front Page Top

#21 Having a weapon is fine, BUT you have to do the training AND keep up your skills. Waking up out of a deep sleep and being ready for life and death decision making is not for everyone.

Lesson Two:

Don't F*CK WITH THE MUCK!

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-08-10 14:07|| 2004-08-10 14:07|| Front Page Top

#22 I've got a Smith & Wesson .357 revolver which I practice with very often at Duffy Town (Sheriff's range in San Diego). Add to that I'm a light sleeper. As is my dog who would primarily serve as early warning. I'm pretty confident there would be a dead goblin if he kicked in my door and only had a bat.

Posted by yank">yank 2004-08-10 15:12|| http://http://http://politicaljunky.blogspot.com]">[http://http://http://politicaljunky.blogspot.com] 2004-08-10 15:12|| Front Page Top

#23 Damn Mucky, I think the dark forces in Texas have gotten to you. Next thing you will be picking up road kill and grillin' it.

Posted by ed 2004-08-10 16:05|| http://]">[http://] 2004-08-10 16:05|| Front Page Top

#24 Mucky I am so Damn proud of you (sniff).:)

Posted by djohn66 2004-08-10 16:23|| http://]">[http://] 2004-08-10 16:23|| Front Page Top

#25 Best.Mucky.Post.Ever. [/comic book guy]

When it comes to intruders, my wolf hydrid sez, "what's fer dinner?"

Posted by Zenster 2004-08-10 16:42|| http://]">[http://] 2004-08-10 16:42|| Front Page Top

#26 I carry a 45 ACP. I have motion sensors at the entrances to wake me up and they are battery powered in case the power goes out. I have had a 12 ga. dbl barrel shotgun put in my back and won't be put in that situatation again. I'm not certain but I believe all the victims were 22 or younger. With todays rediculus fire arms laws only anyone 21 or over could legaly own a hand gun. The laws for firearms are not ment to deter crime but restrict the ability of law abiding citizens to "Keep and bear arms". Thomas Jeferson wrote, "The 2nd Ammendment should never be constryued as to give Congress the power to deprive law abiding citizens of their arms". That is what has happened and I think the Founding Fathers would be stunned at what serves as our government.

Posted by Deacon Blues 2004-08-10 16:42|| http://]">[http://] 2004-08-10 16:42|| Front Page Top

#27 PS: The victims' surviving estates should be able to sue the dismissed parole officers for deriliction of duty. All the indicators were there to predict this crime. Troy Victorino should of never even had a chance to perpetrate this heinous murder.

I think the Founding Fathers would be stunned at what serves as our government.

I agree, Deacon Blues.

Posted by Zenster 2004-08-10 16:46|| http://]">[http://] 2004-08-10 16:46|| Front Page Top

#28 I have a friend that lives in the sticks and was concerned about safety. He asked a police officer for a recommendation on a gun buy. The police officer recommended that for those who aren't looking to shoot others unnecessarily, a pump shotgun is the way to go. The reason: many unwelcome visitors will recognize the sound of the action and flee.
My friend now owns a shotgun but has not yet purchased any ammo. He is six four and must weigh 380 and was arrested in High School for breaking both legs of a fellow student that he found out was sleeping with his girlfriend. He knocked the guy first and then jumped up and down on the guy's legs which were hanging over the curb of a road where his unconscious body fell.
I think my friend will do OK without the ammo.

Posted by Super Hose 2004-08-10 22:38|| 2004-08-10 22:38|| Front Page Top

#29 home defense for the unpracticed: Remington 870 express, 18 inch barrel, use #8 birdshot and choke if you are good enough aim.

This way you will generally hit what you are aiming at (shotgun) and the #8 will not overpenetrate and hit people in other rooms (like kids sleeping in the next room).

Posted by Oldspook 2004-08-10 23:04|| 2004-08-10 23:04|| Front Page Top

#30 muck, you're welcome to defend me anytime!

Posted by Seafarious">Seafarious 2004-08-11 00:09|| 2004-08-11 00:09|| Front Page Top

#31 Bah...in my state, Tennessee, we can legally own flamethrowers. Of course, I'm having problems finding one to buy, but I'm sure that will be overcome.

Posted by Silentbrick">Silentbrick 2004-08-11 00:39|| 2004-08-11 00:39|| Front Page Top

#32 12 gauge pump Loaded with 3 #00 and 2 sobboted slugs pistol grip, 18" and, bore sighted laser "target designator"
Then there is the 45(ACP) Revolver (never stove piped yet.)

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