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2005-01-13 Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Soros and the Iranians
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Posted by anonymous2u 2005-01-13 2:02:28 AM|| || Front Page|| [16 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 I gotta go to bed...but I don't need to read this whole thing to know that Soros is out of his league here. Dangerous liason, maybe. But more likely just a mentally ill man (BDS) hitchhiking with thugs.. you're gonna get rolled Soros - not that we really care.
Posted by 2b 2005-01-13 2:12:06 AM||   2005-01-13 2:12:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 I am so tired of Soros' idiotic socialist meddling.

Someone needs to put a warhead on his forehead.
Posted by OldSpook 2005-01-13 2:48:26 AM||   2005-01-13 2:48:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Just bust his ass for white collar crime. I am sure they can find something to tie him up in court for a decade.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2005-01-13 7:09:06 AM|| [http://www.slhess.com]  2005-01-13 7:09:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 warhead on his forehead. lol!

I expect my libby friends to be spewing the same talking points soon. "Iran is not a threat." "You shouldn't collect decomposing bodies" "torture doesn't work." "Cuba is better than the US cause it has great health care." "Americanism is a religion." "WallMart is evil." They are always right on cue....

By the way, if Americanism is a religion, shouldn't I be tax exempt?
Posted by 2b 2005-01-13 7:19:27 AM||   2005-01-13 7:19:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 "Americanism is a religion" - I've never heard that one before.
Its not a religion, its just better than any other way.
Posted by JerseyMike 2005-01-13 8:22:47 AM||   2005-01-13 8:22:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 This really is outrageous!! The Open Society has invited the Iranian embassador to come give a speech!!!!!
Posted by Glerens Thimble7229 2005-01-13 8:28:46 AM||   2005-01-13 8:28:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 That should be "ambassador" and should be "Mike Sylwester".
Posted by Mike Sylwester 2005-01-13 8:30:55 AM||   2005-01-13 8:30:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Who said it was outrageous? Nice strawman, though.
Posted by 2b 2005-01-13 8:43:35 AM||   2005-01-13 8:43:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 "...will host Iran’s ambassador to the United Nations on Thursday at the Open Society Institute’s offices..."
Whoa, whatta gem that will look like on the ambassador's resume!
Posted by Tom 2005-01-13 9:09:33 AM||   2005-01-13 9:09:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Has anybody ever determined where Soros got his seed money? I've heard suspicions that he was a product of Soviet bloc intelligence.
Posted by Anonymoose 2005-01-13 9:14:00 AM||   2005-01-13 9:14:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 Soros promotes the "Anything but Open Society." He is a shadowy figure who has had his hands in many things in many places. Good question as to where he got his "seed" money. Most discussions suggest that he, like Hillary, was extremely gifted at making money in the markets. He made $1 billion overnight hedging in the market. The question still remains: "Where does one get enough money to make $1 billion overnight?" He must have done more than dig deep into the piggy bank. One would think that he would need a fair amount of front money or like Hillary is the smartest woman man in the world.

Some bio information exists at: http://www.mindfully.org/WTO/2003/George-Soros-Statesman2jun03.htm

Interesting, one site and source stated the following:

1997 Attacks the currencies of Thailand and Malaysia. A Thai source said: "We regard George Soros as a kind of Dracula. He sucks blood from the people." [Heather Coffin, Covert Action Quarterly.]

Posted by John Q. Citizen 2005-01-13 10:01:29 AM||   2005-01-13 10:01:29 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 I personally hope George has a fatal aneurysm caused by his constant straining to fuck America over
Posted by Frank G  2005-01-13 10:10:56 AM||   2005-01-13 10:10:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 I think Sylwester should open a roadside stand selling strawmen. He makes them so effortlessly and often he'd easily turn a profit.
Posted by Robert Crawford  2005-01-13 10:28:51 AM|| [http://www.kloognome.com/]  2005-01-13 10:28:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Here's a quote from truthisfreedom in a DU thread about George Soros (I know, I know, I can't help myself...):

8^)

i love left-wing money. it's all about the people.

Posted by Seafarious  2005-01-13 11:22:28 AM||   2005-01-13 11:22:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 oddly, the Russians claim he is a pro-capitalist, pro-western, antirussian meddler, in Georgia, Ukraine, et al.

And the pres of Malaysia had some nasty words for him.

Soros was a pretty clever currency trader. That no more gives him insight into politics than being a hollywood star, a beer brewer, or a technology magnate. So its to be expected he will be erratic and sometimes idiotic. But hes done a significant amount of good as well.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2005-01-13 11:33:31 AM||   2005-01-13 11:33:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 Seed money - he started working as a fund manager way back in 1956. If youre very smart, that can be far more lucrative than anything Hillary did in her early career. It took him decades to reach the top - he didnt come out of nowhere.

And if he was a front, then for whom? Hardly for the Russkies - like I said, they despise him.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2005-01-13 11:36:14 AM||   2005-01-13 11:36:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 that the idiots over at DU and elsewhere have embraced him just shows what idiots they are, or how hard up for money. Theyre supposed to be against globalization, and Soros has supported globalization, etc. Of course I may be confusing DU with actual leftists, as opposed to just particularly rabid and idiotic democratic partisans - democrat dittoheads, if you will.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2005-01-13 11:38:34 AM||   2005-01-13 11:38:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 Maybe some of RB's British posters know more about this, but wasn't he one of the guys who tried to bring down the pound and nearly bankrupted some pension funds over there? A real sweetheart of a guy.....no wonder the Iranians love him.
Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-01-13 12:30:53 PM||   2005-01-13 12:30:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 DB. Correct. But he can only do that when countries try to overrule the market's assessment of their currency's value.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-01-13 12:33:38 PM||   2005-01-13 12:33:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Lib - there are persistent rumors that at least some of the hedge fund money Soros manages is laundered druglord capital. Thus, his persistent interest in drug legalization.

Mike - I think the thing that drives people up the wall is that a "Open Society" dedicated to free societies is hosting a speech by a representative of a government that imprisons journalists and regularly practices judicial murder. But hey, it's the Bush administration that's reminiscent of the National Socialists, right?
Posted by Mitch H.  2005-01-13 12:42:04 PM|| [http://blogfonte.blogspot.com/]  2005-01-13 12:42:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Well know Jewish billionaire George Soros monicas the mullahs
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"The Hour [Day of Resurrection] will not arrive until you fight the Jews, [until a Jew will hide behind a rock or tree] and the rock and the tree will say: 'Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'"
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RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL
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Soros supported destruction of the people of which he claims membership.
Posted by ed 2005-01-13 1:01:29 PM||   2005-01-13 1:01:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 btw, does hosting a speech by the Iranian ambassodor mean Soros supports the Iranian regime? geez, that means that the Council on Foreign Relations supports some REALLY bad people, and their enemies at the same time. I think the NYPo is overstepping on this one.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2005-01-13 1:05:51 PM||   2005-01-13 1:05:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Does the koran and hadiths call for the destruction of the Jews?
Do you believe the Iranian leadership have the goal to destroy the Jews and the state of Israel? What are the mullahs plans for the US and non-muslims in general?
Does Soros, by providing cover for the Iranian theocracy, and seeking to impede the administration's efforts to deny Iran nuclear weapons, provide the mullahs extra time to perfect their manufacturing of nuclear weapons?
Will Iranians nuclear weapons provide stability in the middle east or the spark to destroy it (and much of Europe and other lands within range).
What of Rafsanjani's and other mullahs statements of initiating nuclear war?
Posted by ed 2005-01-13 1:25:26 PM||   2005-01-13 1:25:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#24  Does the koran and hadiths call for the destruction of the Jews?
Do you believe the Iranian leadership have the goal to destroy the Jews and the state of Israel? What are the mullahs plans for the US and non-muslims in general?

Questions about which reasonable people disagree, and therefore not evidence Soros supports the destruction of the Jews.

Does Soros, by providing cover for the Iranian theocracy, and seeking to impede the administration's efforts to deny Iran nuclear weapons,

IF hes done those things, its NOT demonstrated in the article above.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2005-01-13 1:56:25 PM||   2005-01-13 1:56:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 NOTE TO GEORGE SOROS:

PLEASE PERFORM SOME SORT OF TREASONOUS ACT. FEW THINGS WOULD MAKE ME (AND THE BRITS WHO LOST BILLIONS IN THE 80S) HAPPIER THAN TO SEE YOU SORRY A** BEHIND BARS FOR THE REST OF YOUR DAYS, AND YOUR FORTUNE CLAIMED BY THE US GOVERNMENT.
Posted by anymouse  2005-01-13 2:04:25 PM||   2005-01-13 2:04:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#26  Thus, his persistent interest in drug legalization.

If true he's nutz. Makes more sense to keep the price up and the laundry flowing.
Posted by Shipman 2005-01-13 2:26:58 PM||   2005-01-13 2:26:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Shipman: not really; I don't have a link handy, but if you check Ginmar's livejournal a couple months back she had a piece on prostitution where there was a thread on how-legalization-turned-out in various countries... and if that's indicative of how legalized drugs would turn out, things aren't going to be as rosy as the legalization advocates say.
Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-01-13 3:03:19 PM|| [http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com]  2005-01-13 3:03:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 LH:
Does the koran and hadiths call for the destruction of the Jews?
Do you believe the Iranian leadership have the goal to destroy the Jews and the state of Israel? What are the mullahs plans for the US and non-muslims in general?

Questions about which reasonable people disagree, and therefore not evidence Soros supports the destruction of the Jews.

I want to hear your opinion, not a deflection from the question. So:
Does the koran and hadiths call for the destruction of the Jews? (Yes, no, essay?)
Do you believe the Iranian leadership have the goal to destroy the Jews and the state of Israel?
...
What of Rafsanjani's and other mullahs statements of initiating nuclear war?

Does Soros, by providing cover for the Iranian theocracy, and seeking to impede the administration's efforts to deny Iran nuclear weapons,

IF hes done those things, its NOT demonstrated in the article above.

By providing a media rich forum for the Irainian theocracy to portray themselves as peaceloving victims instead of the bloody islamic dictatorship that they are, and to obfuscate their quest nuclear weapons, Soros is providing cover to the Iranians. The effect is to provide help for the mullahs to achieve nuclear weapons capability. I do not believe for a minute Soro's is stupid enough to not realize he is throwing a monkey wrench into the US effort to deny nuclear weapons to Iran. Part of his motivation is his opposition to the administration. But most of all, I believe he over estimates his abilities to shape the world into his vision and control the behavior of the mullahs.
Posted by ed 2005-01-13 3:04:17 PM||   2005-01-13 3:04:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 good post, ed.
Posted by 2b 2005-01-13 3:34:42 PM||   2005-01-13 3:34:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 It is interesting that Soros can openly use his billions to launch an attack against the neocons and yet he escapes being denounced as being anti-semetic. So it follows that there'd be the same "blind spot" in the same quarters regarding Soros's "Open Society Institute in New York joining forces with pro-Tehran lobbying group to promote the interests and the viewpoint of the Islamic Republic of Iran."

You raise good points, ed, but I think you've hit what's called a "double standard." If this particular article is not clear enough about Soros's attitude to Israel and to fellow Jews, perhaps the following article will put any "doubts" to rest:
It appeared in www.ita.org and was written by Uriel Heilman.
"In rare Jewish appearance, George Soros
says Jews and Israel cause anti-Semitism" 11/09/04
When asked about anti-Semitism in Europe, Soros, who is Jewish, said European anti-Semitism is the result of the policies of Israel and the United States.

"There is a resurgence of anti-Semitism in Europe. The policies of the Bush administration and the Sharon administration contribute to that," Soros said. "It´s not specifically anti-Semitism, but it does manifest itself in anti- Semitism as well. I´m critical of those policies."

"If we change that direction, then anti-Semitism also will diminish," he said. "I can´t see how one could confront it directly."

That is a point made by Israel´s most vociferous critics, whom some Jewish activists charge with using anti-Zionism as a guise for anti-Semitism.

The billionaire financier said he, too, bears some responsibility for the new anti-Semitism, citing last month´s speech by Malaysia´s outgoing prime minister, Mahathir Mohammad, who said, "Jews rule the world by proxy."

"I´m also very concerned about my own role because the new anti-Semitism holds that the Jews rule the world," said Soros, whose projects and funding have influenced governments and promoted various political causes around the world.

"As an unintended consequence of my actions," he said, "I also contribute to that image."

In the past, Mahathir has singled out Soros and other "Jewish financiers" for financial pressure that Mahathir said has harmed Malaysia´s economy. Though he´s ranked as the 28th richest person in the United States by Forbes magazine — with a fortune valued at $7 billion — Soros has given relatively little money to Jewish causes.

Soros´ first known funding of a Jewish group came in 1997, when his Open Society Institute´s Emma Lazarus Fund gave $1.3 million to the Council of Jewish Federations, and when Soros gave another $1.3 million to the Jewish Fund for Justice, an anti-poverty group.

As much as Jews may not like what Soros has to say — at the Nov. 5 meeting, he called for "regime change" in the United States and talked of funding projects in "Palestine" — they are eager to get Soros involved in giving to Jewish causes. Soros said he has not given much to Jewish or Israel-related causes because Jews take care of their own, so that his financial clout is better directed elsewhere.
Posted by 2xstandard 2005-01-13 4:50:19 PM||   2005-01-13 4:50:19 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 I want to hear your opinion, not a deflection from the question

I am NOT defending the Iranian regime, so thats not relevant. And ive posted my opinions, such as they are, on the interpretation of Islamic texts elsewhere. I am denying the logic that A gives X a forum, ergo A supports X. And supports everything X supports. Thats a logic used by the loony left - So and so gave a forum to South Africans (see how old I am :) ) or to the Uzbek leaders, or whomever, ERGO so and so is guilty of all their crimes. Its illogical when used by the left, and when used by the right.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2005-01-13 4:50:38 PM||   2005-01-13 4:50:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 I find it interesting that most of the anti-semetic slurs I hear are cloaked with "anti-zionist" rhetoric. And most of it comes from those who claim to be enlightened liberals. It's perfectly ok to blame all the worlds problems on zionists - Israel, Sharon, etc. It's even becoming ok to blame the Jewish neocon moneymen, but these are not anti-semetic comments. No, no, apparently not.

More troubling is that I often hear jews themselves excusing this...nodding in agreement that the Israelis are to blame because of their genocidal policies.

I find it as disturbing....most disturbing because the left is always looking for a good scapegoat. And even the Zionist line seems to be blurring among the deaniac types...they sort of throw it out there and see if you laugh. If you defend Israel's need to defend itself, it promotes a personal backlash..reminding me of the way that the term n**&*r-lover was used back in the 40's to discredit and silence anyone willing to speak up against bigotry.
Posted by 2b 2005-01-13 5:05:54 PM||   2005-01-13 5:05:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 Uneducated, uninformed opinion - he survived and he has guilt.

Not enough to give his evil Jewish money away en masse, but pocketchange to the masses.
Posted by anonymous2u 2005-01-13 5:42:20 PM||   2005-01-13 5:42:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 Take the word of an Elder of Zion
George is stupid to assume that anti-semitism is caused by the Israelis.
Europe has a long long and bloody history of active anti-semitism centuries before the state of Israel was founded.
Anti-semitism is intimately linked to christianity
for many reasons and this cannot be glossed over by finding a new scapegoat-Israel.
Posted by EoZ 2005-01-13 5:56:58 PM||   2005-01-13 5:56:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 He survived and now his guilt causes him to fan the flames of hatred that killed his family and millions of others. Like some sort of Uncle Tom, he may be Jewish..but not one of those evil Zionists.

It's not if he's done good that matters as much as has he done more harm than good?

Mene mene tekel upharsin...
Posted by 2b 2005-01-13 6:00:04 PM||   2005-01-13 6:00:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 Anti-semitism is intimately linked to christianity That's the kind of bullshit comment that fans the flames of antisemitism faster than Hitler could have hoped. Christians have shown more tolerance to the religions of others, including Jews than any other culture in history.

Christians don't blame the Jews for killing Jesus any more than they blame the Romans. It happened. The cultural differences that seperate Christians and Jews are no different than any other minority which defines itself as being distinct within a majority.
Posted by 2b 2005-01-13 6:14:10 PM||   2005-01-13 6:14:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 and I'll even take that a step further. The same kind of people who blame the anonymous Jews for the world's problems are the exact same kind of people who blame the anonymous Christians or Americans. Same mindset - just different religion or nationality.
Posted by 2b 2005-01-13 6:20:59 PM||   2005-01-13 6:20:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 2b,
allow me to disagree with you.
how many European catholics have you met ?
I have no intention of fanning any flames I am just making a statement that I believe to be true.
That does not mean that I believe most christians to be anti-semitic, but still to deny a connection between anti-semitism and christianity is basically ignoring of a long strech of human history.
Posted by EoZ 2005-01-13 6:21:10 PM||   2005-01-13 6:21:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 In our lives, has the bulk of anti-semitism come from Christians or Muslims?
Posted by jules 2 2005-01-13 6:28:38 PM||   2005-01-13 6:28:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 European catholics have you met None. But I have met American catholics and never have I heard anti-semitism from them. It does make sense then, does it not, that it is the European portion of that equation, rather than the catholic one.

It's one thing to say that the Catholic Church has a sordid past in the Holocaust and quite another to say, "Anti-semitism is intimately linked to christianity" I guess that Arab sentiment or budding liberal sentiment is all part of Christianity as well.

I restate my case. The mindset that blames anonymous Christians for the ill in the world is no different than the one that blames the anonymous Jew.
Posted by 2b 2005-01-13 6:34:01 PM||   2005-01-13 6:34:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 Well said, 2b. David Klinghoffer made similar observations in his 3/14/02 article published in the National Review "Who Jews Blame."

Rabbi Lapin, whose clear thinking I respect greatly, is also perturbed by the misguided hostility that some Jews apparently feel towards Christianity and to the Catholic Church in particular.

"Hitler was made possible by the triumph of scientific naturalism in Europe, not by organized religion," points out Rabbi Daniel Lapin in his valuable new book, America's Real War. "Nazism was, after all, 'National Socialism,' and any form of socialism has intellectual roots in the secular Left, not the religious Right." At great personal peril, recalls Rabbi Lapin, "in Lutheran countries such as Denmark, Finland, Norway, and Sweden, devout Christians, and often the church leadership itself, turned the rescuing of Jews into a religious mission.... Many Catholic and Protestant church leaders in Europe realized that Hitler hated God and the church. Many lost their lives. Only a society in which the church had already been weakened could breed Nazism."



Posted by 2xstandard 2005-01-13 8:05:51 PM||   2005-01-13 8:05:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 thanks 2x. I couldn't have come close to saying it as well.
Posted by 2b 2005-01-13 8:17:51 PM||   2005-01-13 8:17:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 2b, stand down. EoZ is correct, so are you, each in your own way. Let me explain:

Modern American Christians, especially the Evangelicals/Charismatics, have come to the conclusion that the Jews are God's first people, and hew to the Bible verse that says something like, "Whosoever harms my people Israel, so shall I harm him." (Not even close to an exact quote, no doubt you or another Rantburger can give us the correct words. Thanks!). That is your point, and it is legitimate, limited to this country and this time though it may be.

However. The history of Christianity, going back to the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D., has been marked by the Christians striving to differentiate themselves from what was originally the Jewish mainstream. (Remember Paul writing about discussions over whether Pagans had first to convert to Judaism before being baptized as Christians. Paul won, and with the fall of the Temple, and the death of the Jerusalem group led by Jesus' brothers, the Christian Jews faded out of history.) The differentiation accomplished, the Church Fathers began wrestling with the idea of Christianity as the successor and replacement to the Jews in God's Covenant. The sticky point in their logic chain was the stubborn refusal of the Jews either to disappear or convert.

At a loss to explain this, and increasingly numbering former Pagans with no direct knowledge of Judaism, the Church Fathers turned to the one group that had historically written about the Jews: the Greeks. The ancient world saw two philosophies that extended to encompass the world beyond patron gods for a single city or people: Greek philosophy and Judaism. Unfortunately, these two ideas were mutually antagonistic, and the writings of the Greeks were particularly vitriolic. Many of the modern antisemitic canards stem from these ancient writings.

To be continued (when the hour isn't so late)...
Posted by trailing wife 2005-01-13 10:58:05 PM||   2005-01-13 10:58:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 Sorry as a confirmed agnostic I will not stand to have Christians tarred with the brush of anti semitism because some "christians" in Europe practiced it. It is a fact that Jesus was a jew. How can a faith based on the life of Jesus be anti semitic? No true Christian could ever be anti semitic. Jews didn't kill Jesus a Roman governor did. We even know his name.

Sorros is a true turd. Just because he is Jewish doesn't mean crap. He is still a useless greedhead turd.

Anti semitism in Europe is based on politics and nationalism. It has/had almost zero to do with real Christians.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2005-01-13 11:03:39 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com]  2005-01-13 11:03:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#45 Trailing wife...thanks for trying to smooth the waters and I understand your valid point, but I agree with 2x and SPOD.

If you want to go back to ancient times to tarr the Christians, then it makes sense for the Arabs to still be blaming the Jews for massacres long gone. People are individuals whose actions transcend their religion or race or ancestry. Those who blame their problems on "the blacks, the christians, indians, white men, the jews, gays, blonde chicks" or some group of "someone else" are the bigots - not the individual members of the groups that they choose to blame.

SPOD and 2x said my thoughts better than I can. I will add one more thought, those who allow demagogues to lead them to hate groups of other ones and blame them for the worlds ills are the cause of much of the worlds ills. Instead of looking inward to solve problems - they just look for "other" scapegoats to blame.
Posted by 2b 2005-01-13 11:54:51 PM||   2005-01-13 11:54:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#46 I am so tired of Soros' idiotic socialist meddling.

Someone needs to put a warhead on his forehead.
Posted by OldSpook 2005-01-13 2:48:26 AM||   2005-01-13 2:48:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#47 Off-topic or abusive comments deleted]
Posted by OldSpook 2005-01-13 2:48:26 AM||   2005-01-13 2:48:26 AM|| Front Page Top

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