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Posted by .com 2005-04-30 12:51:11 AM|| || Front Page|| [8 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Arnie does have to walk a tight line. Can't be insensitive to the poor schmoes dying of thirst in the desert -- Americans are humane and don't like to see either the dying or the insensitivity. Putting the emphasis on upholding the law is right, I think.

And: what are the odds that the various Hispanic Dems flapping their gums over this really representing all the Hispanics in California?
Posted by Steve White  2005-04-30 1:05:15 AM||   2005-04-30 1:05:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Am I the only one tired of hearing from these dickheads that enforcing our laws is 'racism'?

This isn't about race - I dont care if you are from alpha centari - its about LEGAL STATUS. And Enforcing FEDERAL LAWS and securing our borders.

Its also about protecting LEGAL immigrants and insuring that they have a living wage.
Posted by CrazyFool 2005-04-30 1:09:26 AM||   2005-04-30 1:09:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Calling the nation’s borders dangerously porous, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Thursday praised the private "Minuteman" campaign that uses armed volunteers to stop illegal immigrants from crossing into the U.S.

Misleading. While a number of the volunteers are armed, their weapons are not used in the performance of their duties, and their objective is only to report illegals observed to the BP; only BP officers do the apprehending.

"Those of immigrant stock should have no illusions about what his real sentiments and feelings are toward them."

Those of illegal immigrant stock definitely shouldn't be having any illusions....
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-04-30 3:48:13 AM||   2005-04-30 3:48:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Article: Enrique Morones, president of the Border Angels, an immigrant rights group, responded to the governor’s comments.

"An immigrant rights group"? No. An illegal immigrant rights group.
Posted by Zhang Fei  2005-04-30 5:13:23 AM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2005-04-30 5:13:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Article: The leader of a Mexican American group called the governor’s comments "shameful" and "nothing short of base racism.

Actually, it's this guy who's guilty of base racism. If we're going to let Mexico establish a colony on American soil, maybe we should have an open debate about this, and let people from other countries do the same. If Mexico, why not Nigeria, Russia, Pakistan, the EU, India and China? Why only leave the Mexican border unguarded and by extension, let mostly Mexicans in? Let's invite other, equally deserving immigrants. The fact of the matter is this - if we're going to have strict immigration controls at the airports and the ports (with cross-examinations of foreign nationals entering the country), we should have equally heavy policing of the Mexican border. Anything else is discrimination in favor of Mexicans and against other foreign nationals.
Posted by Zhang Fei  2005-04-30 5:18:56 AM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2005-04-30 5:18:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Who's calling the shots on illegal immigration and making for the fact on the ground that we have now 20 million illegals? I say it's certain big (and not so big) business interests, not the multiculturalists who have the most political influence. Business interests are the ones the critters in Congress are listening to. Plus the Hispanic vote.
Posted by sea cruise 2005-04-30 8:42:42 AM||   2005-04-30 8:42:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 bomb-0-rama

Those of illegal immigrant stock definitely shouldn't be having any illusions

And those of illegal immigrant stock are increasing yearly by leaps and bounds. Some are American born (we can never boot them) and some are illegal too. And now they want instate college tuition. The situation sucks all ways around
Posted by sea cruise 2005-04-30 8:45:57 AM||   2005-04-30 8:45:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 sea cruse, That is another thing - we should not automatically give citizenship to those born of one or more illegal immigrant.

Only if *both* parents are Legally citizens or immigrants to the US (and not here on a student/tourist/business visa...) should the child be given natural citizenship.
Posted by CrazyFool 2005-04-30 9:57:09 AM||   2005-04-30 9:57:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Enrique Morones, president of the Border Angels, an immigrant rights group, responded to the governor’s comments. "I assure you, nobody is coming here for the water, and the stations we have set up by various organizations is a humanitarian effort. "We don’t respond to Arnold Schwarzenegger; we respond to a higher authority. We’re a nonpolitical, humanitarian organization."
The higher power commands us to obey the law and respect our authorities. He also says we are not to show favoritism to either the rich or the poor...why do the illegals think they deserve preferential treatment and then try to claim the moral high ground, expecting American citizens to pay for all their unreasonable demands and expectations? It's gonna get ugly especially when the law enforcement we do have aren't even allowed to do their jobs and pick offenders up. Sheesh...show a little respect for the hand that cares for the world.

Romans 13: Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
Posted by Danielle 2005-04-30 10:21:35 AM||   2005-04-30 10:21:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 The best course … would be to add an additional 2,000 border patrol agents."

My take - it's not necessarily 'finger in the wind', but rather an effort on her part to latch onto one of the few areas where she believes Dem and Repub opinions coincide. In this case, she wants 2,000 extra federal employees border patrol agents. From that viewpoint, it's easy to spot such statements (that, and for their lack of frequency).
Posted by Raj 2005-04-30 10:26:01 AM||   2005-04-30 10:26:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 The 'Pubs are vulnerable on illegal immigration. Dubya will get the credit for reviving the flagging Democratic Party if he doesn't get a grip on this, and do it fast.
The Dems are already making some tentative little noises about it, minority-racist constituencies notwithstanding. Union support means more and it is not hard to guess where they stand. Multi-cult gibberish is fine for union ideologues, but only as long as it is just propaganda. When it starts hurting them, or they can see it in the way of power, it goes out the window faster than a mugged liberal's concern for "the poor."
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-04-30 3:59:39 PM||   2005-04-30 3:59:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 The 'Pubs are vulnerable on illegal immigration. Dubya will get the credit for reviving the flagging Democratic Party if he doesn't get a grip on this, and do it fast.
The Dems are already making some tentative little noises about it, minority-racist constituencies notwithstanding. Union support means more and it is not hard to guess where they stand. Multi-cult gibberish is fine for union ideologues, but only as long as it is just propaganda. When it starts hurting them, or they can see it in the way of power, it goes out the window faster than a mugged liberal's concern for "the poor."
Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2005-04-30 4:01:17 PM||   2005-04-30 4:01:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 "Those of immigrant stock should have no illusions about what his real sentiments and feelings are toward them."

LOL. Arnold, the anti-immigrant immigrant? Try again, fool.

I'd be very surprised if a majority of legal immigrants opposed illegal immigration. Especially the thousands of legals whose wages have been devastated by the tide of illegals over the last couple decades.
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-04-30 4:05:34 PM||   2005-04-30 4:05:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 correction to above: should read "I'd be very surprised if a majority of legal immigrants did not oppose illegal immigration"
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-04-30 4:07:00 PM||   2005-04-30 4:07:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 correct the correction - original was right. time for the hammock.....
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-04-30 4:07:49 PM||   2005-04-30 4:07:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Correction of correction of correction... you really meant #14. That is the only one making sense, else hammock is a great idea! ;-)
Posted by Sobiesky 2005-04-30 4:13:10 PM||   2005-04-30 4:13:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 What AC said. Someone on the Dem side will figure this one out--care to guess who? It's a no-brainer strategy for tilting all the mountain southwest swing states into the Dem column in the next presidential election.

Ignore the "spokesmen" for latinos. It's much more likely that most legal immigrant workingmen would support a pro-labor, pro-border control populist than oppose him. I mean, her.

When's Rove going to figure this out? After the Dems have swept the Southwest?
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-04-30 4:16:33 PM||   2005-04-30 4:16:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Hilary's already moved to the center in supporting the war, and is making signs of moving more to the center on religious/social issues. I'd give two-to-one odds that she'll carve out an ooportunistically pro-border control position and try to lock up AZ and CO (nineteen EC vote between them) in short order.
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-04-30 4:19:32 PM||   2005-04-30 4:19:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 lex: Hilary's already moved to the center in supporting the war, and is making signs of moving more to the center on religious/social issues. I'd give two-to-one odds that she'll carve out an ooportunistically pro-border control position and try to lock up AZ and CO (nineteen EC vote between them) in short order.

Hillary's *talked* to the center. Her voting record reveals her talk to be a pack of lies.
Posted by Zhang Fei  2005-04-30 4:46:24 PM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2005-04-30 4:46:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 and as the '06 re-election and '08 presidential campaigns draw nearer the Reps will have votes - on real issues or symbolic issues - that define her more than her pander-talk....
Posted by Frank G  2005-04-30 4:55:00 PM||   2005-04-30 4:55:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Given the Repubs' silence and unconscionable lack of attention to this issue, do you really believe that large numbers of those concerned about border control would not shift their votes to a pro-border control Dem? nb. These are the same voters who tilted to Perot (thereby putting H's husband in the White House).

Mark my word: if current behavior continues, this issue will definitely bite the Republicans in the ass. The next election will turn on COlorado and Arizona. Win those states and you don't need Ohio.
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-04-30 5:02:06 PM||   2005-04-30 5:02:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 lex: Mark my word: if current behavior continues, this issue will definitely bite the Republicans in the ass.

As long as Hillary keeps voting the way she does, the GOP has nothing to worry about. If Hillary starts voting differently, the GOP can match her and top her moves. It's impossible to outflank the GOP on immigration, any more than it is possible to outflank the Dems on social spending.
Posted by Zhang Fei  2005-04-30 7:23:33 PM|| [http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2005-04-30 7:23:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 It is possible to outflank the pubs when they just stand there with their hands in their pocket on this issue (which is exactly what they are doing).

Especially if another 9/11 happens because of the wide-open borders.
Posted by CrazyFool 2005-04-30 7:27:57 PM||   2005-04-30 7:27:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 CF - not when all the vocal Latinos for open borders are Donks. Why doesn't someone ask the Hildabeast to do a Sister Souljah on teh LKa Raza movement? Do it now, when it could be a matter of principle rather than expediency (her 2nd middle name now). A movement to outrage legal immigrants (who went through a lot to be so) over those jumping the turnstiles will be the next Rovian maneuver. I just want the borders closed....now...to illegals. Sorry .com
Posted by Frank G  2005-04-30 7:45:59 PM||   2005-04-30 7:45:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 I spent about $3000.00 (Three thousand) and drove more than 200 miles through Houston, Texas, to get a green card for me and my wife and I didn't even come here to work! (I'm retired with a Swiss pension). The process is so complicated that , I, sometimes, understand the illegals.
Posted by SwissTex  2005-04-30 9:05:08 PM||   2005-04-30 9:05:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Welcome, SwissTex. We need more law-abiding legal immigrants like yourself. I believe that most legal immigrants would like to see the process improve for skilled, law-abiding immigrants AND see much tighter border controls to halt illegal immigration.
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-04-30 9:31:22 PM||   2005-04-30 9:31:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Thank you Thibaud.

I agree with you as far as the border controls is concerned but not about the skilled immigrants. You have enough skilled people in the US for any technical jobs but not for what I would call unskilled labour jobs.
Posted by SwissTex  2005-04-30 10:19:08 PM||   2005-04-30 10:19:08 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 I respectfully disagree, SwissTex. Lots of engineering jobs go begging. Problem is that native-born Americans refuse, for the most part, to go for engineering and other "math-is-hard" concentrations. The great blessing of LEGAL immigrants is that they're motivated to do the work that more complacent Americans can't or won't do. That includes the hard science jobs.
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-04-30 10:27:33 PM||   2005-04-30 10:27:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Welcome to america SwissTex. You are the kind of immigrant which we need - ones who go through the process legally and appreciate the chance to live here. I know what the process can be like (my wife is an immigrant (legal)) and it can be a real pain in the ass.

I think part of the problem is the intentional bluring of the lines between immigrants (who are here legally and have been granted immigration status) and the illegal aliens (who are *not* law-abiding 'good' people) by the MSM and the 'immigrant rights' groups who are really anti-immigrant (and pro-illegal-alien)'.

There are plenty of well skilled labor available on the market today from people who are willing to go thru the legal process if we would allow them entry.

I say shut down the borders and open up the 'legal' immigration channels a bit more to allow more law-abiding legal immigrants in to meet the labor market needs.

Unfortunately the elitist would never allow that - they would have to pay their gardeners, babysitters, cooks, housekeepers, and 'sex-industry-workers' a real wage instead of the close-to-slave-labor wages now.
Posted by CrazyFool 2005-04-30 10:59:01 PM||   2005-04-30 10:59:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 Modest proposal: open the borders to anyone who passes a security clearance and has an advanced degree in the hard sciences, or a proven record of building multi-million dollar businesses. And shut the border to the illiterate exports of Mexico's colossal political and economic failures.
Posted by thibaud (aka lex) 2005-04-30 11:02:50 PM||   2005-04-30 11:02:50 PM|| Front Page Top

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