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2005-07-09 Britain
Poll: Britons will never give in to terrorists
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Posted by Bulldog 2005-07-09 06:40|| || Front Page|| [4 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Unintended consequences (from the jihadi perspective)? Actually, if there is any coherent thought process behind this, its to radicalize mooselimbs. So the more severe the reaction the better.
Posted by phil_b 2005-07-09 08:28||   2005-07-09 08:28|| Front Page Top

#2 I wonder how the British people would feel about offensive operations at this point. When bombs go off in the West, governments in the Middle East should start getting that quivering feeling in their legs as they try to see the blade aimed at their necks. What say you, United Kingdom? Care to take Syria down while we take Saudi? What would Churchill do?

RULE BRITANNIA!!
Posted by Zpaz 2005-07-09 08:36||   2005-07-09 08:36|| Front Page Top

#3 All I can say is, "Wow!"
Posted by Dave D. 2005-07-09 09:08||   2005-07-09 09:08|| Front Page Top

#4 EXCELLENT!!!!!
Posted by PlanetDan">PlanetDan  2005-07-09 09:40||   2005-07-09 09:40|| Front Page Top

#5 Derbyshire provides an alternate viewpoint.

The Calculus of Appeasement
Posted by gromgoru 2005-07-09 10:03||   2005-07-09 10:03|| Front Page Top

#6 Hmmm, some of the 'muslim' questions are interesting;

'Do you feel that Islam - as distinct from Islamic fundamentalist groups - poses a threat to Western liberal democracy?' (brackets from Oct 2001)

Yes, Islam poses a major threat - 19% (10)
Yes, poses some threat - 27% (22)
No, not much threat - 24% (33)
No, no threat at all - 23% (35)
Don't know - 7% (5)

The way I work that out is that almost half the population thinks Islam itself, and not the radicalised fundamentalist version of it, as a threat, and this figure has risen from Oct 2001 (when we were all very raw from 9/11). I'd say Islam has a problem.

I'm inclined to agree with the general trend of the thread yesterday on the Blood Feud - totally disproportionate response.

Kipling had it right - repay it back 100 times over...


The Grave of the Hundred Head


There's a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun;
And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.

A Snider squibbed in the jungle,
Somebody laughed and fled,
And the men of the First Shikaris
Picked up their Subaltern dead,
With a big blue mark in his forehead
And the back blown out of his head.

Subadar Prag Tewarri,
Jemadar Hira Lal,
Took command of the party,
Twenty rifles in all,
Marched them down to the river
As the day was beginning to fall.

They buried the boy by the river,
A blanket over his face --
They wept for their dead Lieutenant,
The men of an alien race --
They made a samadh in his honor,
A mark for his resting-place.

For they swore by the Holy Water,
They swore by the salt they ate,
That the soul of Lieutenant Eshmitt Sahib
Should go to his God in state,
With fifty file of Burmans
To open him Heaven's gate.

The men of the First Shikaris
Marched till the break of day,
Till they came to the rebel village,
The village of Pabengmay --
A jingal covered the clearing,
Calthrops hampered the way.

Subadar Prag Tewarri,
Bidding them load with ball,
Halted a dozen rifles
Under the village wall;
Sent out a flanking-party
With Jemadar Hira Lal.

The men of the First Shikaris
Shouted and smote and slew,
Turning the grinning jingal
On to the howling crew.
The Jemadar's flanking-party
Butchered the folk who flew.

Long was the morn of slaughter,
Long was the list of slain,
Five score heads were taken,
Five score heads and twain;
And the men of the First Shickaris
Went back to their grave again,

Each man bearing a basket
Red as his palms that day,
Red as the blazing village --
The village of Pabengmay,
And the "drip-drip-drip" from the baskets
Reddened the grass by the way.

They made a pile of their trophies
High as a tall man's chin,
Head upon head distorted,
Set in a sightless grin,
Anger and pain and terror
Stamped on the smoke-scorched skin.

Subadar Prag Tewarri
Put the head of the Boh
On the top of the mound of triumph,
The head of his son below --
With the sword and the peacock-banner
That the world might behold and know.

Thus the samadh was perfect,
Thus was the lesson plain
Of the wrath of the First Shikaris --
The price of a white man slain;
And the men of the First Shikaris
Went back into camp again.

Then a silence came to the river,
A hush fell over the shore,
And Bohs that were brave departed,
And Sniders squibbed no more;
For the Burmans said
That a white man's head
Must be paid for with heads five-score.

There's a widow in sleepy Chester
Who weeps for her only son;
There's a grave on the Pabeng River,
A grave that the Burmans shun;
And there's Subadar Prag Tewarri
Who tells how the work was done.


Of course, Kipling is certainly not the poster boy of the PC crowd.
Posted by Tony (UK) 2005-07-09 11:24||   2005-07-09 11:24|| Front Page Top

#7 I would say not. Thanks, Tony.
Posted by Neutron Tom 2005-07-09 11:33||   2005-07-09 11:33|| Front Page Top

#8 Tony (UK): Do these poll results square pretty well with the views of people you've talked to? They're rather impressive-- and encouraging.
Posted by Dave D. 2005-07-09 12:11||   2005-07-09 12:11|| Front Page Top

#9 the commanders the the 2020 caliphate jihad really are strategically stoopid--the egyptian islamic jihad thought machers who counseled the attacks on the "far enemy" have no western historical analyses that fit their ibn tammiya fantasy--this is not your father's richard the lion hearted--its churchill and the river war baby--kitchener not poorly equipped chinese gordon-- they will dig up the mahdi's bones and toss them into the nile--that's the british way
Posted by SON OF TOLUI 2005-07-09 13:14||   2005-07-09 13:14|| Front Page Top

#10 Good article, but I didn't need a poll to tell me this.
Posted by Matt 2005-07-09 14:02||   2005-07-09 14:02|| Front Page Top

#11 This is telling :

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Note how the PC crowd is 23%. I think that number is dropping...
Posted by BigEd 2005-07-09 17:18||   2005-07-09 17:18|| Front Page Top

#12 Note also the proportion who say Islam is no threat is also 23%. Since we can say that Moslems were questioned, and all would say this as well as the other 23% answer. We then assume than Moslems are 5% of the population there, the results are very drammatic among the non-Moslem population...

Moslems must clean their own house, or face being considered pariahs on sight...

The rest of us can only take this indiscriminate murder of innocents for so long before there will be a lash out at anyone who is perceived to facilitate the perpitrators...
Posted by BigEd 2005-07-09 17:29||   2005-07-09 17:29|| Front Page Top

#13 Dave D. - hard to say, the YouGov surveys are somewhat self-selecting (mostly internet-based) and so therefore you'll get a lot more of the chattering class viewpoints being expressed. Also, I wouldn't trust them to not fiddle the results a bit if they showed a strong non-PC bias. I'd say that the 10% figure mentioned in BigEd's post is going to be too low.
Posted by Tony (UK) 2005-07-09 18:34||   2005-07-09 18:34|| Front Page Top

#14 Thanks, Tony. Looks like we'll have to see how attitudes adjust in the coming weeks-- especially after the BBC get to work "correcting" some of these "incorrect" opinions...
Posted by Dave D. 2005-07-09 19:27||   2005-07-09 19:27|| Front Page Top

#15 What a complete pile of bullshit. So the Britons will never give in to terrorists? No problem, just vote for Labour or Liberal Democrat, and Ken Livingstone for mayor of London, and they'll do it for you. And they'll smile at you while they do it, and lock you up if you dare to criticise the 'religion of peace'.
Posted by Thomong Whoting3058 2005-07-09 23:22||   2005-07-09 23:22|| Front Page Top

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