Article

2005-08-02 Terror Networks

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by ElvisHasLeftTheBuilding 2005-08-02 14:07|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Islams biggest problem -Islam does not acknowledge any other religion or viewpoint as being legitimate. No other philosophy or outlook is to be tolerated and anybody who disagrees is an apostate that is to be killed by any means available. This is not how the world works, the 21st century world, not the 9th century world. In the 9th century maybe you could get away with shit like that, but now it doesnt fly. Islam has lost all legitimacy with me over the last couple of years because of this quality it has clung to. Even moderate muslims seem to deny the right of existance to Israel, and see western influence as evil. They see Iraq in 12th century terms as crusaders and occupiers, they need to wake up and get with the times before they get what the radicals want-isolation from the rest of the world. I don't think they would like that any more than they would like the current situation.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2005-08-02 15:26|| 2005-08-02 15:26|| Front Page Top

#2 Jim in KY,

Jim I assume you grew up in a christian household and are a Southerner like myself. Maybe I assume too much, but regardless I totally agree with many elements of your statement.

However, I'll tell you this. Most people don't follow their religion's or denomination's teachings that far beyond reason as do Binny and the Wahabbis. Many of my Catholic buddies will laugh at yonder Pope's contraception ban when they throw religion to the wind and strap on those jimmies when going undercover!

Also for instance, the church I was brought up in does not tolerate any other religious views, it points to other views as sinful, even other christian views, and believes and propogates the same ideas about Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism, hell all other religions as tools of the devil. It ain't a small denomination either, and it is pretty mainstream in its teachings.

Their way of dealing with non believers is to try to convert those people, not kill them, and believe it or not this is how many Muslims operate too. I remind you here that Christianity does have a history of forced conversion as does Islam.

Actually most sects of Islam are sometimes even a little more tolerant of other faiths than is my former denomination of Christianity. They at least see Christ as a prophet, while the Chrisitans I know see Muhammad as some dumb ass anti-christ. I have no preference either way and could care less about people's religious compunctions as they are a waste of my time outside of metaphysical and philosophical discussion.

I see your point about Islam though, as the loudest statements we hear from Islam are from the haters and killers, but most people are just people trying to get along Jim like me and you.

Most people, Muslims included, think about family and kids and putting food on the table rather than establishing a caliphate to rule the world. Binny may actually believe all the bullshit he's spittin, but mostly I think it is just convenient that he has history and his religion to point to as a reason for his want to rule over people and kill those who get in his way. If he didn't have Islam or Wahabbiism I should say, he would find some other excuse, just like Hitler did.

I think it is very ironic that the word Jihad and the German word Kampf mean basically the same thing, struggle. Binny's little Mein Kampf will hopefully end like Hitler's did, by him eating a bullet or some cyanide, but sadly I doubt Binny will go that easy.

I agree that we should crush, exterminate and destroy radical islamists bent on murder and the destruction of the west. But let's not group millions of people together with a few asshat extremists.

I know a few Christian extremists who sympathize with Eric Rudolph's crazy ass secretly. But we shouldn't paint all Christians as bad because of a few people's actions. That would be the greatest loss in the war on Terror. That's what Bin Laden seeks, a reason to inflame Muslims the world over. We in the civilized world don't need or want that.

I'm with you though. And I appreciate your point of view, I think we all just need to step back every now and then and examine why we think what we think and how it relates to the WoT and our future as a free and democratic nation.

I personally don't want anyone's religious views ruling over my life, and like you said I bet most other folks share that same fear of radical religion ruling the world, no matter what the religion would be. Unless of course that religion involves some hot naked young women, a couple of..., well I wont go there, but I think you get my point.

EP

Posted by ElvisHasLeftTheBuilding 2005-08-02 16:18|| 2005-08-02 16:18|| Front Page Top

#3 Point of information: Israel is a secular Jewish state, in the same way that the U.S. is a secular Christian state. About 80% of the citizens are at least nominally Jewish, the rest being Moslem, Christian and "other". All have equal rights under the law, except that only the non-ultra-Orthodox Jews are required to serve in the IDF, although the others are welcome (lots of Druze and Beduins do so).

Posted by trailing wife 2005-08-02 18:31|| 2005-08-02 18:31|| Front Page Top

#4 2003 through present:
Iraq becomes a locus for radical Islamists, as insurgents battle the fledgling Iraqi government and the US-led forces that ousted Saddam Hussein. A key mastermind, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, aligns himself with Al Qaeda.

What a crock of shit! Zarq was in northern Iraq at the behest of Saddam since he fled Afganistan and Iran (circa, 2002)-- before the Iraq invasion.

Posted by Captain America 2005-08-02 23:03|| 2005-08-02 23:03|| Front Page Top

23:59 JosephMendiola
23:59 AgentProvocateur
23:54 Jackal
23:51 Bomb-a-rama
23:49 Mike
23:42 Red Lief
23:39 Bomb-a-rama
23:38 Sock Puppet 0â Doom
23:35 JosephMendiola
23:34 JosephMendiola
23:27 AzCat
23:14 BigEd
23:11 Rafael
23:10 Ernest Brown
23:04 trailing wife
23:03 Captain America
22:48 BigEd
22:42 Rafael
22:41 Captain America
22:38 Raj
22:32 Zhang Fei
22:29 jn1
22:25 Robert Crawford
22:17 trailing wife