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2005-08-12 Iraq-Jordan

U.S. Told Not to Release Abu Ghraib Photos

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Posted by Captain America 2005-08-12 20:49|| || Front Page|| [7 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Hellerstein, Alvin K.
Born 1933 in New York, NY

Federal Judicial Service:
U. S. District Court, Southern District of New York
Nominated by William J. Clinton on May 15, 1998, to a seat vacated by Louis L. Stanton; Confirmed by the Senate on October 21, 1998, and received commission on October 22, 1998.

Posted by Captain America 2005-08-12 20:54|| 2005-08-12 20:54|| Front Page Top

#2 another Clinton contribution to the WOT.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-08-12 21:20|| 2005-08-12 21:20|| Front Page Top

#3 Lawyer wonder why they get no respect? There should be a season for TRANZI lawyers. No bag limit. To bad there is not. Might be different if I could think of one right of mine they had protected, but I can't. Might be different if they made my country a safer place to live but they haven't and will not. I would rather spend tome with a rattle snake or mountain lion than a lawyer.

Posted by Sock Puppet 0â Doom 2005-08-12 21:27|| 2005-08-12 21:27|| Front Page Top

#4
"There should be a season for TRANZI lawyers. No bag limit."

Yeah, open season! No tags required.

AR

Posted by Analog Roam 2005-08-12 21:31|| 2005-08-12 21:31|| Front Page Top

#5 Asshole lawers at the ACLU forsake 280 million Americans and go to the mat for these guys every time, Why?????????

Posted by Chinetle Glamble4177 2005-08-12 21:35|| 2005-08-12 21:35|| Front Page Top

#6 Pheneger, a military intelligence officer from 1963 to 1993, said that Iraqi insurgents average 70 attacks a day and that they ''will continue regardless of whether the photos and tapes are released.''

Despite being in military intelligence for thirty years, this Pheneger's not too bright. The issue isn't whether the -- improper -- release of these photos will inspire more attacks in Iraq. It's whether they'll inspire attacks in New York, DC, Chicago, Detroit, LA, San Francisco, London, Paris, Madrid, Berlin...

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-08-12 22:30|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-08-12 22:30|| Front Page Top

#7 Another thing -- the abuses at Abu Ghraib had nothing to do with approved interrogation techniques. That the ACLU keeps banging that drum is just proof that they're a tool of our enemies.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-08-12 22:32|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-08-12 22:32|| Front Page Top

#8 I think General Myers is being over-sensitive. If photos of terrorists with their heads blown off from sniper fire or of dismembered terrorists from American artillery fire don't inspire the Muslim faithful to anger, the sight of terrorists merely being humiliated certainly won't. I think the Abu Ghraib pictures are amusing - such are the sissified methods of American prison guards play-acting at torture in the very prison where real torture, with beheadings and genuine torture implements were carried out by Saddam's minions.

Posted by Zhang Fei">Zhang Fei 2005-08-12 22:54|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-08-12 22:54|| Front Page Top

#9 I could go on about Military Intelligence officers but lets just say that most are at least twice removed from the actual intelligence operations. Now if Pheneger were a a MI officer attached to an Embassy doing overt intell then maybe he would have a feel about how these photos would affect people in Iraq and Afghanistan. But given that those very same intell types have yet to be right on even ONE aspect on the WOT I would be leary from taking his advise (see "Slam Dunk" and WMDs). There is nothing to be gained from releasing these phtos and I think it's time for the ACLU to understand that thier first name is AMERICAN and act in the bes interest of America and not terrorists.

Posted by Cyber Sarge">Cyber Sarge 2005-08-12 23:03|| 2005-08-12 23:03|| Front Page Top

#10 Let us assume for a second that Gen Myers is wrong. If so, what possible purpose would it serve to release the photos. We would not learn anything we don't know.

The ONLY thing that could be achieved is what Myers is concerned about - that via Al Jihad TV and the MSM these pictures will become a recruiting tool for the Jihadis.

The fact that the ACLU doesn't care - tells you all you need to know about the ACLU.

Posted by DMFD 2005-08-12 23:19|| 2005-08-12 23:19|| Front Page Top

#11 DMFD: Let us assume for a second that Gen Myers is wrong. If so, what possible purpose would it serve to release the photos. We would not learn anything we don't know.

I think General Myers is being too politically correct. The kind of people who would be influenced by the kind of play-acting depicted in the Abu Ghraib pictures are the same kind of people who are already terrorists because of the American invasion of Iraq. The Abu Ghraib pictures depict humiliation. The pictures coming out of Iraq every day are of terrorists getting dismembered and blown away during American military operations. I think people need to get a sense of proportion, and pick their fights. We need to fight for the right to hack a captive like Zaccarias Moussaoui to pieces in order to prevent future 9/11's, not suppress merely embarrassing photographs from circulation.

Public relations with the Muslim world are moot. Don't take Muslims for children. The ones who want to hate Americans already hate Americans. A few S&M-style pictures from Abu Ghraib aren't going to sway them more than the pictures of Muslim holy warriors with chunks of their skulls missing or with their internal organs splattered all over the tarmac.

Posted by Zhang Fei">Zhang Fei 2005-08-12 23:51|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-08-12 23:51|| Front Page Top

#12 ZF, I don't agree. The terrorist recruiters prey on young, easily influenced Muslim youth. At their early age, they are swayed by photos depicting brutish treatment. Hence, a release of these items plays right into the recruiters interests.

Posted by Captain America 2005-08-12 23:58|| 2005-08-12 23:58|| Front Page Top

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