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2005-09-15 China-Japan-Koreas

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Posted by lotp 2005-09-15 08:35|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 They are already importing starving North Korean girls. I forecast a growth industry. :-((

Posted by trailing wife 2005-09-15 10:13|| 2005-09-15 10:13|| Front Page Top

#2 Past societies with large numbers of unattached men have on occasion turned to a more authoritarian political system, perceiving threats of violence. Such societies have also sought to harness their surplus of men by recruiting excess males into military occupations, pursuing expansionist policies aimed at developing unexplored territories or colonizing neighboring ones.

See also the Muslim world, in which polygamy results in lots of men without any prospects for marriage.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-09-15 10:36|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-09-15 10:36|| Front Page Top

#3 I dunno trailing wife; if I were a North Korean girl I might want to be exported. Beats eating tree bark.

Posted by Secret Master 2005-09-15 11:16|| 2005-09-15 11:16|| Front Page Top

#4 It could also be behind some of their economic growth.

More men, more competition, more work. Less children!

Women will be valued much more highly due to the shortage, so I think this will self correct.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2005-09-15 11:54|| 2005-09-15 11:54|| Front Page Top

#5 Ironic: they'll invade San Francisco

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2005-09-15 12:05|| 2005-09-15 12:05|| Front Page Top

#6
Women will be valued much more highly due to the shortage, so I think this will self correct.

You know, this didn't happen in all the previous times that the various Asian areas have had gender imbalances.

Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-09-15 12:25|| 2005-09-15 12:25|| Front Page Top

#7 FrankG: They already have.

Posted by Secret Master 2005-09-15 12:40|| 2005-09-15 12:40|| Front Page Top

#8 Women will be valued much more highly due to the shortage, so I think this will self correct.

Well, unless the chinese not only have mastered human cloning, but also are growing millions of cloned females who are maturing at the same rate as their males ....

that isn't likely to deflect real problems.

Posted by lotp 2005-09-15 13:31|| 2005-09-15 13:31|| Front Page Top

#9 Such societies have also sought to harness their surplus of men by recruiting excess males into military occupations, pursuing expansionist policies aimed at developing unexplored territories or colonizing neighboring ones.

See above note about Zim-Bob's aparent intent.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2005-09-15 14:18|| 2005-09-15 14:18|| Front Page Top

#10 In societies that don't value females, scarcity doesn't necessarily increase their value. Instead you get girl-hoarding by the powerful, girl children kidnapped or sold into prostitution, gangs of "brothers" holding one female prisoner for the group to share, and general societal degeneration and warlordism. And North Korean women entering into whatever arrangement allows them more than tree bark to eat, while their brothers stay home and die of starvation, right, Secret Master?

Posted by trailing wife 2005-09-15 14:30|| 2005-09-15 14:30|| Front Page Top

#11 Instead you get girl-hoarding by the powerful

AKA polygamy and harems.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-09-15 15:35|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-09-15 15:35|| Front Page Top

#12 There is a solution for demographic war. India has the same problem: too many young males. Neither country can offer them either employment or even a chance at marriage.

So, how about a gigantic World War-I style trench war between China and India? Weirdly enough, there may be such a thing as purely demographic-driven war. And if this is the case, this might be the natural solution.

Posted by Anonymoose 2005-09-15 18:24|| 2005-09-15 18:24|| Front Page Top

#13 And North Korean women entering into whatever arrangement allows them more than tree bark to eat, while their brothers stay home and die of starvation, right, Secret Master?

Very possibly. Or her parents will sell her for enough money to feed their family for a while. Or she will sell herself for the same reason. Or sheâll do it because there are no economic opportunities in North Korea. Thatâs human nature in the face of starvation and extreme poverty. Hell, thatâs human nature in the face of abundance and affluence. I used to live in San Franciscoâs Tenderloin District, where many young people raised in moneyed portions of America sell themselves for relatively small amounts of heroin. One would assume that they have significantly less motivation than a 14-year-old Korean girl watching her five- year-old younger sister die of malnutrition.

The horrifying possibilities of human behavior are nearly endless. Or, at least, thatâs what living in San Francisco taught me.

Of course, the smart thing for the Chinese to do would be to follow the example of horny Spaniards and Americans and invade the Philippines. You can bet they are giving it some thought.

Posted by Secret Master 2005-09-15 18:42|| 2005-09-15 18:42|| Front Page Top

#14 It's a bunch of bull. China has gone through this kind of thing for thousands of years. During times of famine, poor families tended to either sell their daughters into concubinage or prostitution. When they were unable to do so, they would simply withhold food from selected daughters. Periods of strife came not from sexual imbalances, but from famine and pestilence combined with a weak state, during which times desperate men faced with certain death undertook high stakes gambles with their lives and the lives of their followers. China is not currently in that situation - economic growth is lifting living standards in leaps and bounds and the state remains strong and able to enforce its edicts.

Sexual imbalances are a staple of Chinese history. Until the 20th century, when Western legal codes took hold, Chinese males could marry as many women as they could afford. Poor men sought the company of professionals.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2005-09-15 19:03|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2005-09-15 19:03|| Front Page Top

#15 AKA polygamy and harems.

Thanks, Robert. I blanked on the terms, but why let mere ignorance stop me in mid-post? ;-)

Posted by trailing wife 2005-09-15 22:59|| 2005-09-15 22:59|| Front Page Top

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