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2005-11-21 Israel-Palestine-Jordan

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Posted by Frank G 2005-11-21 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Yeah, Hizbollah kills. And Hizbollah - or easily targeted sections of Southern Lebanon and Syria - needs to be killed. Hizbollah won't be killed because any attack on them would be joined by the Iraqi Shiite majority. Reminder, besides al-Qaeda, no other terrorist group has murdered more Americans.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20050519-092915-7312r.htm

Nation-building hasn't worked in Iraq, and it is plain and obvious that all misguided support for what was nothing but subsidized Islamofascism, was short sighted and firmly rooted in Madisonian conformism. I would suggest that the majority who are indulgent to political Islam in Iraq, consider changing your first principles. What is wrong with basing a foreign policy on: American security. So, we say screw the Shiites and Sunnis, affirm a protection agreement with the Kurds (and tolerate their ethnic cleansing of Sunni crap), close the border with the Iran terrorist entity and we seize the Iraqi oil fields (except in proto "Kurdistan") and place an 200 mile annihilation radius around them.

You all heard what happened in Congress last week. Change your stay-the-course-to-insecurity mindset. Congress will adopt a hardline, if it works. Frankly, it is hard to comprehend the fact that anyone could read Rantburg everyday, yet be disinclined to write-off Muslims. Just think of them as: cockroaches in human form. Billions of Russians, Europeans, Chinese, Indians, South East Asians, etc would love to follow US repression of the mortal enemy of all humanity. It is just a matter of who makes the first move.

Posted by CaziFarkus 2005-11-21 02:03|| 2005-11-21 02:03|| Front Page Top

#2 China and probably India would likely buy into an International Gulf Oil Protectorate. Declare Gulf oil the property of all mankind. Carve off the oil regions bordering the Gulf from SA, Iran and Iraq, plus optionally Kuwait and the UAE. Use the money to pay for running it and the very large surplus could be used for development aid. The usual suspects would scream for a while but the rivers of cash will prove very tempting. It would work a bit like the old panama and suez canal zones.

It will need a severe oil supply disruption to get on the table, but you never know.

Posted by phil_b 2005-11-21 03:24|| 2005-11-21 03:24|| Front Page Top

#3 Yeah, something has to be done even if less than I advocate. That recent poll of Iraqis as taken by the Telegraph (a pro-American, London daily) which revealed 65% support for attacks on Coalition forces, combined with the Afghan election of the koranimal who supervised destruction of the giant Buddhas, was the last straw. US Congress didn't look good last week, but they will want something for the billions shelled out for what amounts to propping political variants of the Islamofascists who carried out 9-11.

Malcolm X used to say: "The white man is the greatest killer in history." So why fuck with us? We only stopped the slaughter after 1945. If 20 million barbarians pose a mortal threat to me, then I would gladly push the nuke switch on the lot of them. Jihad life is cheap.

Posted by CaziFarkus 2005-11-21 06:02|| 2005-11-21 06:02|| Front Page Top

#4 Is there a difference between 'islamo-fascists', 'juedo-fascists', 'neo-imperialistico-fascists', just plain 'fascists'? To me 'fascist' means someone who isn't so much interested in making the world a better place, as someone who is only interested in their own(as in their own group's)wellfare, and who thrive on opposition, aggression, war.you guys sound like you'd thrive in any kinda-fascist dictatorship.

Posted by jez 2005-11-21 07:10|| www.globalikum.blogspot.com]">[www.globalikum.blogspot.com] 2005-11-21 07:10|| Front Page Top

#5 jez, you need to listen more carefully. You might also want to look up the historical actions of the real Fascists, and of their brothers in blood, the National Socialists of Germany.

Posted by trailing wife 2005-11-21 07:41|| 2005-11-21 07:41|| Front Page Top

#6 I like this idea about the international oil protectorate. I'm quite sure that if china and russia could muster enough strength they wouldnt think twice about annexing the whole region. This should warrent serious thought. Nato could easily manage the security, I think.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2005-11-21 08:07|| 2005-11-21 08:07|| Front Page Top

#7 Convince me it won't degenerate into a genocide and I'll get interested.

Posted by Glereting Clitch8633 2005-11-21 08:11|| 2005-11-21 08:11|| Front Page Top

#8 The moonbats are out today.

Posted by SR-71 2005-11-21 09:45|| 2005-11-21 09:45|| Front Page Top

#9 Heh. Big fun on the barbie.

Posted by .com 2005-11-21 09:46|| 2005-11-21 09:46|| Front Page Top

#10 To me 'fascist' means someone who isn't so much interested in making the world a better place, as someone who is only interested in their own(as in their own group's)wellfare, and who thrive on opposition, aggression, war.

If you dig into the real history of fascism, instead of revisionist pap, you'll find that it bears a striking resemblance to what's called "progressive" today. In fact, the original "progressives" fed a lot of the ideas that animated fascism -- state direction of industry, the state as an object of worship, and eugenics.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-11-21 09:56|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-11-21 09:56|| Front Page Top

#11 The moonbats are out today.

House vote and credible news that Zarqawi's dead.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-11-21 10:11|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-11-21 10:11|| Front Page Top

#12 Jez: instead of talking about what fascism means to you, try looking up a dictionary.

Posted by Anon1 2005-11-21 10:18|| 2005-11-21 10:18|| Front Page Top

#13 Convince me it won't degenerate into a genocide and I'll get interested

there are a lot of comments being thrown around that certainly sound as if genocide would be tolerated, maybe embraced. At least that's how I read this from #1 above:

Frankly, it is hard to comprehend the fact that anyone could read Rantburg everyday, yet be disinclined to write-off Muslims. Just think of them as: cockroaches in human form. Billions of Russians, Europeans, Chinese, Indians, South East Asians, etc would love to follow US repression of the mortal enemy of all humanity. It is just a matter of who makes the first move.

Sorry, I can't buy into that and find it detestable.

Posted by anon on this one 2005-11-21 10:19|| 2005-11-21 10:19|| Front Page Top

#14 Let's knock off all the talk about exterminating people. It's genocide, pure and simple, and we don't stand for that at Rantburg.

CaziFarkUs, you need to read the 'Burg for a while. We're not into mass murder.

Posted by Steve White 2005-11-21 11:14|| 2005-11-21 11:14|| Front Page Top

#15 Jez

I wish Bush and crew really were a little more faciast leaning or at least totalitarian, becuase instead of "how dare you question my patriotism" actually being a defence when open Sedition of a active war effort is being done (a act that is illegal under the constitution and in WW1 and prior thousands were inprisonded for such here in the States when we had leaders with balls, many moon ago). Instead Bush would have declared open season on the LLL anti-americans Moore, most of hollywood, most of the media, half of the Dums and thier insane supporters would be rounded up and deported. This nation would be stronger we would win this war that by historical comparison is amazingly low losses and extremely succesfull even thou our media who claim to be american's have managed to paint it as a total loss. If the US pop cant stomach a 3yr war with just over 2000 military casualties that was started in a attack on our homeland with 3000 civilians deaths we are a Dead and doomed nation. It will be just a matter of time before some other nation who does still have pride will learn this and we will either be learning the Koran and Arabic or Chineese. "Love it or Leave it" it kills me to see immigrants that have more love for our nation than many of those who are natural born. nobodys perfect but we are the best game in town by FAR. I would love to see that changed if you dont support this nation you have no buisness being allowed to live here Deportation to the Nation of their choice should be the Gov policy.

Posted by C-Low 2005-11-21 11:18|| 2005-11-21 11:18|| Front Page Top

#16

You all heard what happened in Congress last week. Change your stay-the-course-to-insecurity mindset. Congress will adopt a hardline, if it works. Frankly, it is hard to comprehend the fact that anyone could read Rantburg everyday, yet be disinclined to write-off Muslims. Just think of them as: cockroaches in human form. Billions of Russians, Europeans, Chinese, Indians, South East Asians, etc would love to follow US repression of the mortal enemy of all humanity. It is just a matter of who makes the first move.

It's precisely because I read rantburg that I am disinclined to write off the Moslems. In case you haven't noticed, there's a massive civil war going on in the Islamic world, and the side that's fighting us is also blowing up Moslem civilians in Mosul and Annan when it can.

Posted by Phil 2005-11-21 11:20|| 2005-11-21 11:20|| Front Page Top

#17 Let me guess. Kos is down and LGF isn't taking comments...

Posted by Pappy 2005-11-21 11:22|| 2005-11-21 11:22|| Front Page Top

#18 Good guess. :-)

Phil's got it -- Zarqawi isn't just trying to kill us, he's trying to kill everyone who disagrees with his very special brand of Islam. That's about 95% of Islam, but only half of them know it right now. We need to edumacate the other half, and support the half that understands that Allan didn't give them all elk-hunting licenses.

Posted by Steve White 2005-11-21 14:13|| 2005-11-21 14:13|| Front Page Top

#19 The problem is not of the specific actions to be taken, but of the general attitude. As long as the view "Majority of Muslims are peace-loving and reasonable; there is just a small minority of extremists that we're have to deal with" persists, we'll keep bleeding.

Posted by gromgoru 2005-11-21 17:01|| 2005-11-21 17:01|| Front Page Top

#20 Agreed, gromgoru.

It's very quaint, even pleasing in a Smallville sort of way, how many nice people there are here. I'd lend you my hedge trimmers any time.

However, in the misnamed WoT, your sentiments are misplaced and dangerously PC.

Some points to keep in mind when wagging your finger:

1) Muslim first, last and always. Where do you think this universal tenet leads? Think about it. This is an open-book test, but your ass is on the line for a correct answer. Hint: the mythical moderate Muslim is just that, mythical. A resource awaiting activation for funding, a safehouse, lackey services, or cannon fodder. Oh damn! I gave away too much of the answer.

2) Any means or method that furthers Islam is acceptable. That includes, but is not limited to, lying and murder. Particularly lying and murder. Ask Nick Berg. Or about 3000 ghosts of 9/11. Or a thousand or so Thais. Or a few thousand Iraqis of the wrong flavor this year alone. Or the 2000 brave souls who've died in Iraq trying to give Islam a chance to reform itself. It's looking a little grim for what we'd call freedom there, except for the Kurds. Bless the Kurds - those guys actually get it. Peace be upon them. Maybe if the Arabs suffered under someone else's boot-heel, such as the Ottomans, for a thousand years or so, they'd get it, too. I rather doubt that sort of staying power is available to the forces of freedom, however.

3) Islam seeks nothing less than world dominion. Yes, they even want East St Louis, Oakland, and Soho. Even Berkeley and Boston. I know. Go figure.

4) Islam is not a religion, but an implacable ideology. It has far more in common with Nazism and communism than with any religion. Those who insist on couching it in religious terms and addressing it as such are soft targets. Very soft, like Charmin. You'll be handled with the left hand.

5) Islam is broadcasting in the clear - read the texts and how they are interpreted by the imams. It mocks your tolerance and soft underbelly of nicey-nice. You'll make good footstools and fan-bearers.

6) Islam is a negative-sum process as it creates nothing, but instead extracts the treasure from the areas and populations it absorbs. Parasitic is the word. Field trip! Everyone gets to go back to ancient times!

7) A Law Enforcement approach is precisely what they hope you'll employ. They can, and regularly do, beat us at our own game. Civility will definitely get you killed. The only jihadi that does not pick up where he left off after either skating through our system's loopholes or serving some joke term is a dead jihadi.

Sum it up.

Then stay the fuck out of the way and keep your Sunday School platitudes. You are an impediment to my survival.

Thanks for playing.

Posted by Slomotch Ebbager8829 2005-11-21 19:58|| 2005-11-21 19:58|| Front Page Top

#21 Slomotch Ebbager8829

You're so insensitiveeee. You probably think that Charles Napier was a hero.

Posted by gromgoru 2005-11-21 20:18|| 2005-11-21 20:18|| Front Page Top

#22 Lol, gromgoru! Indeed, he was my kind of guy.

I've never been accused of being overly PC, I admit. My wife and children are more precious to me than the sensitivities of future dhimmis who haven't come to grips with precisely what they are facing, as yet.

I appreciated your comment - especially in the face of such "powerful" 100% Certified PC self-indulgence.

Posted by Slomotch Ebbager8829 2005-11-21 20:28|| 2005-11-21 20:28|| Front Page Top

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