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2005-12-03 Afghanistan

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Posted by Dan Darling 2005-12-03 01:17|| || Front Page|| [7 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Another great example of deskbound old-boys dicking over the field operatives and military people, the old "THey dont need to know this" BS being used as a coverup of the old boys ties.

Bastards are embarassed they made deals with the lesser devil (Islamsists) to get rid of the larger devil (Soviets) and are trying to make it look unimportant and bury it by hushing people up instead of doing them in after they turned, liek they were supposed to.

Hold your enemies close, and your "friends" closer.

Cripes, the CIA really needs a purge.

Posted by Oldspook 2005-12-03 03:34|| 2005-12-03 03:34|| Front Page Top

#2 CIA 30,000 +/- employees

supposedly The CIA has a very top heavy staff ratio vs. "enlisted employees".

What kind of numbers/% would you hazard as dead wood cya types, who put career before duty to one's country Oldspook.

upper mgmt maybe, who set the mission?

Posted by Red Dog 2005-12-03 04:33|| 2005-12-03 04:33|| Front Page Top

#3 Hek used to run an English language website. Prior to 9-11 his main theme was to beg for admission into the Taliban, with whom he initially challenged. I have doubts that he is capable of even raising a tin pot terror force. If he did, he would be targeted by both government (and Coalition) jihadi forces.

Posted by CaziFarkus 2005-12-03 06:16|| 2005-12-03 06:16|| Front Page Top

#4 Hek is being used as cover by the ISI to divert attention from the real trouble makers and the ISI hands behind them.

Posted by john 2005-12-03 06:26|| 2005-12-03 06:26|| Front Page Top

#5 This is typical NY bullshit. Warlords are businessmen, businessmen in the business of crime.
Drugs, women, arms, killings. What would they have to gain by fighting Americans? Why would they want to have more U.S. troops to their squalid little region? Especially if O.B.L. is there.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2005-12-03 09:57|| 2005-12-03 09:57|| Front Page Top

#6 Maybe they want us to think OBL is there.

Posted by Danielle 2005-12-03 10:38|| 2005-12-03 10:38|| Front Page Top

#7 One mistake made by the CIA was relying on the ISI to handle the jihadis.
ISI armed and funded the most extreme ones (Hek and other vermin) knowing full well their anti-american orientation.

Posted by john 2005-12-03 13:59|| 2005-12-03 13:59|| Front Page Top

#8 The two were ISI favorites. We didnât get to pick and choose who we funded. I believe we channeled some support to Massoud though the Brits. If Crile's account of the CIA operation is accurate, I think the control of the Stingers was done really well and probably prevented their use against us.

Posted by Super Hose 2005-12-03 14:52|| 2005-12-03 14:52|| Front Page Top

#9 I worked at NPIC (Nat'l Photo Interpretation Center - it's been changed twice at least since then) in DC for almost a year in 1980, as a reservist. That's the only area that I know intimately. The ratio of worker/management was about 70/30 then. I've heard it's close to the same today, but I don't know for sure. The figure of CIA employees is deceptive, as there are dozens of "commercial firms" that do contract work for the Agency in everything from data management to janitorial services to clandestine operations.

The problems with the CIA isn't that it's heavily bureaucratic, but that it's been growing extremely more politicized every year since about 1975. Part of the problem is the propensity to hire ONLY Ivy-League grads for many departments. This was even true of NPIC - many of the people hired didn't know a GAZ-66 from a MIG-21 when they were hired, but rapidly became "managers". The Clintons, of course, did everything possible to ensure total control over the CIA in perpetuity through appointments, favorable hiring practices, and the use of political clout to force those who weren't willing to be so thoroughly compromised to retire.

The best thing Bush could do would be to dismantle both the CIA and State, and start over. Unfortunately, we don't have the luxury of doing that in the midst of the current war.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2005-12-03 18:21|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2005-12-03 18:21|| Front Page Top

#10 Thanks OP,

I gather from what you've said, in lieu of a complete CIA overhaul, the
best we can hope for is for Porter to dismantle as many of the Clintoon Click he can by firing, and transfering any leftovers to paper clip ops.

..and bringing in non Ivy-Leaguer to fill the vacant desks.

thats better than nothin, lets hope he has some drag upstairs and a bit of luck.

Posted by Red Dog 2005-12-03 20:39|| 2005-12-03 20:39|| Front Page Top

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