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2006-06-20 International-UN-NGOs

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Posted by anonymous5089 2006-06-20 01:51|| || Front Page|| [11128 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Damnit, Kagan, stop repeating the BS. Big surprise. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Duh.

What's the point in caring what "they" think? The assertion that we need them, that "international legitimacy" matters, is grossly and obviously specious - Kagan should go soak his head for a month - it's a grand farce promoted by those who claim to be able to anoint and convey the spurious label of legitimacy. Self-appointed authorities who have no grounds for the claim. Bullshit alert.

Ignore them all, the UN, EU, et al, and do what is best for the US. Let's just see how far they get without us, without their "action arm" and "funding arm" to pay for their pony shows, to make shit happen, to put teeth into their drivel, to clean up the messes they allow to fester into crisis with their hand-wringing mewling and pointless debate, to save the lame from their own lack of foresight, to bolster them with aid in spite of their ineptitude and congenital corruption. How many "states" would literally have failed without US trade, foreign aid, political support, and the defensive umbrella we have provided for the last 60+ years, I wonder... It almost seems as though we are the ones who actually convey legitimacy, in our stumbling cowboyish unsophisticated way. This shit almost makes me want to become a pure isolationist for a decade or two to make the point.

What makes the most sense, in a world of ankle-biting insanity as we see here, is to set our course and make it clear that any who recognize benefit in joining us is welcome to do so. But this is where we're going, period. Choose and STFU about it.

In the end, no matter what any "expert" says, other countries will do what suits them and butters their bread. Period. If we have parallel win-win interests we can cooperate in the venture. If not, so be it.

The farce of pandering and trying to buy influence with lavish aid and by suborning our own interests has been thoroughly disproven over the last 40-50 years. This is the threadbare and failed State Department Free Money, Accommodation, and Concession Model. Those who we thought to be allies are not, except where it is in their interests, where the getting is good. They jettison us for momentary domestic political gain, then decry the "split" and blame it on us. Bullshit rising. If aid or compromise or accommodation or concession is needed to find middle ground, we are always expected to be the ones to do the aiding, compromising, accommodating, and conceding - and then they stab us in the back anyway. Bullshit rising. Nothing in the history of our foreign relations is clearer - so why drag up the same old tired shit, over and over again?

Bullshit flood. Pass out the snorkels.

This is repeating failed actions and expecting a different result.

Posted by Ebbineper Ebbeaper1581 2006-06-20 03:42|| 2006-06-20 03:42|| Front Page Top

#2 This is the losers resentment of the winners. It's the resentments of schoolyard rewritten as geopolitics. It's not fair the goodlooking people are also smart, succesful and people look up to them and try to copy what they do. All the nerds hate them, so they are not really popular. What's amazing is how widespread this view is. I know otherwise intelligent people who suscribe to this rubbish.

Posted by phil_b">phil_b 2006-06-20 04:29|| http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/]">[http://autonomousoperation.blogspot.com/] 2006-06-20 04:29|| Front Page Top

#3 There can be no isolationism, while foreign animals are developing ICBMs.

Ergo: Pax Americana

Enemy life is cheap

Posted by Shurt Angaimble9728 2006-06-20 04:59|| 2006-06-20 04:59|| Front Page Top

#4 A couple days ago I had the luck to find an interview of Pierre Closterman a Free French (1) ace pilot and he tells that at the end of the war his wingman (another Free French) advised him to leave France because people wouldn't like to owe something to someone. Closterman himself found that French people were uneasy in front of those who had not surrendered.

(1) A real Free French ie one who belonged to Free France proper (that is before July, 22, 1942 when Free France became France combattante) and thus joined before El Alamein, Stalingrad, Torch.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-06-20 05:01|| 2006-06-20 05:01|| Front Page Top

#5 The isolationistic approach (we don't care what the others think) adavocated by some people in this blmog has the drawback that it lets the enemy fight unopposed the propaganda war until one day America finds herself alone against the whole world.

But the article starts from the false premise than it is to America should alter its policy to reach for the others when it should be that America should make an effort for having the others shere her views. In blunt terms America sucks in the PR area.

Let's give a concrete example: After the embassy bombings in Africa the Clinton adminsitrations promised ito indemnify the African victims. When the indemnification proccess dragged for years, the people in the country became resentful not to Al Quaida but to America.

What should have been done: 1) Highligt that in order to kill a dozen Americans Al Quaida had not hesitated to kill two hundred Blacks and wound a thousand other (many of them mutilated and in danger of starving). Then continue by pointing of how little value were the lives of Blacks for wahabists/Al Quaidists even when they were Muslims 2) Point that the perpetrators were Saudis, that their acts were the consequence of the official Saudi religion ie wahabism and that thus it was to Saudi Arabia and the Bin Laden family to indemnify the victims not to America. But help the victims in the legal proccedings against Saudi Arabia and the Bin Laden family. 3) Unlike Clinton promising nothing but provide some limited and fast aid to victims as an urgency succour but present it as something given from America's humanity not as something it owed to the victims and that it was to the Saudis to pay the bill. And now we would have a country where wahabis would fear for their lives, where people at the very least would not be hostile to America and we would have planted the germs of discord between Black and Arab Muslims.

Posted by JFM">JFM 2006-06-20 05:39|| 2006-06-20 05:39|| Front Page Top

#6 PCism still controls the American dialog. Hell, we haven't yet called Islam the problem, though many get it, and many more are added every day. That we are losing the PR War, as you point out, is no surprise. The dialog is slowly transforming. From Extremists and Fundamentalists to Islamist terrorists to simply Islam takes time. We haven't but a handful of politicians willing to state the case correctly, yet. Thus it's no surprise that we lose the PR war with the Wahhabists for the time being. Eventually we will finally call a spade a spde and Islam will be on trial in far more venues than the few places like Rantburg.

Of course it's even worse in the MSM as they evolve in the opposite direction, ending with benign terms such as militants and gunmen. Clearly, they are attempting to prevent people from seeing the truth of the matter, but they are, slowly, losing the battle of ideas in the marketplace. The circulation figures and opinion polls regard Islam prove the point.

Indeed, we should be putting the equation differently to the world. We're getting there, just far more slowly than those who get it now prefer.

We're coming, JFM, hang on, bro.

Posted by Thavilet Ulosh6709 2006-06-20 05:58|| 2006-06-20 05:58|| Front Page Top

#7 There was much discussion of the "colonial legacy" and "neo-colonialism," especially in the Middle East and Africa

No comment about Soviet colonialism in Eastern Europe? No comment about various Middle Eastern, African, etc stooges and lackeys of Moscow who played their country and people for power? Like the moonbats unwillingness to face facts, these people, who Blame American[tm] will never be able to admit they themselves played the game and are responsible for their miserable failures far more than anything some haberdasher from Kansas City Missouri is responsible for.

Posted by Whereling Whish1824 2006-06-20 09:29|| 2006-06-20 09:29|| Front Page Top

#8 Was this in Europe or did the DNC hold another strategery meeting?

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2006-06-20 10:51|| 2006-06-20 10:51|| Front Page Top

#9 You know, there are still people in Israel who believe that if we just explained to the Europeans... I must admit, I find Americans falling into the same trap somewhat entertaining. Just look at the list of the panelists. Scum vermin doesn't start to describe them.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-06-20 13:57|| 2006-06-20 13:57|| Front Page Top

#10 -- But it is worth keeping in mind that this anger against the United States also has deep roots.--

According to the late Philippe Roger, around 1750.

In short, the world wants it all now and don't forget the pony.

Posted by anonymous2u 2006-06-20 14:33|| 2006-06-20 14:33|| Front Page Top

#11 How much did Kagan get paid for this nonsense?

This is a well, duh! article.

Posted by anonymous2u 2006-06-20 14:34|| 2006-06-20 14:34|| Front Page Top

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