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2006-06-20 Home Front: Culture Wars

Another American Century or Another American Civil War?

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Posted by tipper 2006-06-20 18:02|| || Front Page|| [8 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 It'll be a short "civil war" if it comes.

The ~~non-liberals~~ adults have all the guns. ;-p

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2006-06-20 19:32|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html] 2006-06-20 19:32|| Front Page Top

#2 Thanks for the link!

I'd like to say that I wrote the essay, but I didn't; it's by the great Norwegian blogger, Fjordman. He has chosen not to be a contributor at Gates of Vienna, which means that he sends his guest-posts to me, and I post them for him. That's why they have my byline, although I credit him at the top of the post.

I wish I could claim credit for such fine work, but I can't!

If you could change your post to attribute the piece to Fjordman, we'd both appreciate it.

Posted by Baron Bodissey">Baron Bodissey 2006-06-20 19:48|| http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com]">[http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com] 2006-06-20 19:48|| Front Page Top

#3 As Victor Davis Hanson writes in his book, Mexifornia: A State of Becoming

Superbly writtem article. Should be mandetory reading for the US Congress. I thought almost everyone had dismissed Hanson's book.

Posted by Besoeker 2006-06-20 20:09|| 2006-06-20 20:09|| Front Page Top

#4 An excellent post, indeed! Thank you, Baron, for hosting it! And thank you, tipper, for bringing it to our attention!

Fjordman hits many important points - and weaves them together into a coherent warning. Many of us feel it, intuitively, and recognize America is at great risk. Immigration is an internal linchpin issue which will certainly dramatically alter, if not decide, our future. Islam is the bloody external threat that must be forced to reform or be destroyed.

We get it. When will our politicians catch on - and do our bidding?

The greatest dangers to our Republic come from within, and civil war comes from allowing those dangers to grow into a crisis that threatens the Republic. This confluence of true dangers - diversity, multiculturalism, Islam, socialism, etc. - is creating a "perfect storm" crisis, and civil war will, IMHO, in some form, be necessary.

Enough with the phoney civility about how we can't do this or that because, well, because it's not us, it's not nice, it's not that bad (yet), yadda yadda - history is full of such myopic hand-wringing just before the storm... wasted words which are merely a distraction from the hard work at hand.

I'm ready.

Posted by Glalet Jineth9308 2006-06-20 20:26|| 2006-06-20 20:26|| Front Page Top

#5 Use United Flight 93 as a metaphor.

We're just catching on to the fact that we're being hijacked - by various interests who seek either our outright destruction or such drastic changes that they will eventually have the same result. Some of the passengers get it, some don't.

Those who do get together and pool ideas about how to stop it, how to regain control - or die trying.

Let's roll.

Posted by Ulusing Cleash5738 2006-06-20 20:34|| 2006-06-20 20:34|| Front Page Top

#6 The currents of this river of history are already in motion. Civil War is unavoidable. The interference in that war by outside powers and interests will in turn spark a true imperial period. Self fulfilling prophecy.

Posted by Wheatch Cleanter9977 2006-06-20 20:56|| 2006-06-20 20:56|| Front Page Top

#7 So many "anonymous" comments. I wonder why.

Posted by Glosing Flons5566 2006-06-20 21:10|| 2006-06-20 21:10|| Front Page Top

#8 LOL, #7 GF5566.

Maybe you could enlighten us.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2006-06-20 21:52|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html] 2006-06-20 21:52|| Front Page Top

#9 1) Many of the new immigrants, legal and illegal, are more skilled than popularly imagined. I saw a study recently (can't find the link, however, sorry) that said that many new immigrants had better than a high school education. These folks are especially likely to settle in as new, loyal Americans.

2) They also tend to be more conservative, socially and politically, than popularly imagined. Why do you think Bush is working so hard to get them to vote Republican?

3) The English literacy rates for the children of Mexican illegal immigrants is higher than the rates for the children of comparable immigrants from 1850 to 1930. The children of Mexican illegals understand very well that if they want to make it in the U.S., they need to learn English, and they do.

4) Most of the Mexican immigrants, legal or not, are here precisely because they don't want to be Mexicans any more. If they did, they'd stay home -- after all, there's still 130 million Mexicans south of the Rio Grande. The people who come here today, from Mexico or elsewhere, are similar to the Irish, Italian, Serb, etc immigrants of before -- they have more courage to take risks, and more drive to succeed, than their counterparts who stay home. That's why they come here -- to succeed.

I appreciate Fjordman's post and I understand where he's coming from, but I disagree with a fair bit of his analysis, and most of this conclusions. I hope he keeps writing, the debate is very helpful.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2006-06-20 22:04|| 2006-06-20 22:04|| Front Page Top

#10 Steve, I'm sorry but I don't remember where you live. However, if it is in California, it surely is not San Diego. If the new immigrants have better than a high school education, then they are probably not illegals from Mexico. No one has a problem with legal immigrants, only with the illegal ones. The whole wink and a nod thing that our Government has been doing on immigration since Reagan is sickening. It was bad enough when Clinton did it, because after all Democrats only have to obey laws that advance their agenda and rules are for Republicans. But for the Bush administration to do it is a deeply wounding betrayal. I expected better of him.

Posted by RWV 2006-06-20 22:57|| 2006-06-20 22:57|| Front Page Top

#11 amen RWV. Steve, in the border regions the illegals barely speak passable spanish. High school education? What are you smoking? As far as the Aztlan crap - that's a power grab by hispanic American losers who want to set up a rump Mexican state. They are the same assholes we all noted in Ethnic Studies in college, mouthing off about the "homeland" but never dragging their ass back there. Underemployed because of their major, they agitate and teach on campus

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-06-20 23:12|| 2006-06-20 23:12|| Front Page Top

#12 Fixed for the Baron.

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