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2006-07-13 Syria-Lebanon-Iran

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Posted by Steve 2006-07-13 11:54|| || Front Page|| [7 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Well, so be it.
I'm sure when the chips are down we will do the right thing and side with Israel. Some journalists have been saying for about a year now the World War III has begun, the sooner we realize that the sooner we can start to win it.
I don't think the Israelis should have to endure daily rocket attacks, murder of their soldiers, and abduction of its citizens and soldiers to keep the peace. That is asking too much, arabs don't understand dimplomacy or reasoned discourse,they understand force and power. They seem to be understanding Israel's counter offer to the prisoner swap just fine, in fact they are getting a little worried that it isn't just going to blow over this time. When you got em on the ropes you don't let them go, you knock them on their ass.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2006-07-13 13:26|| 2006-07-13 13:26|| Front Page Top

#2 Finally, it's only taken 27 years for us to realize we are at war with Iran and Islam. Lets now get at it.

Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan 2006-07-13 15:28|| 2006-07-13 15:28|| Front Page Top

#3 This war will most likely become a ME regional conflict and could engulf Asian/Pac

Posted by Captain America 2006-07-13 15:28|| 2006-07-13 15:28|| Front Page Top

#4 Could id a misnomer. Southern Thailand, the Philippines, Malay, Indonesia, Sabah, etc... are already swallowed up by this war.

Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan 2006-07-13 15:46|| 2006-07-13 15:46|| Front Page Top

#5 I listened to Praeger (sp) yesterday, he had a missionary on, but I didn't catch the whole segment.

Missionary said after working w/them the missionaries are becoming more -- I'll choose the word "aware" because I can't remember exactly what term he used -- but in short - they're building churches.

They realize it's a fight.

Posted by anonymous2u 2006-07-13 16:33|| 2006-07-13 16:33|| Front Page Top

#6 I believe that the article's main premise regards Cpl Shalit is absolutely right. That will be seen soon as a watershed moment in history. I am very sorry for Shalit - I'm certain his fate is sealed, but the animals on Israel's borders - and beyond - have jumped the shark and will now pay. All of them.

Despite the wimps and assholes and Tranzi morons in the Congress, when it comes to supporting Israel in conflict, the outcome is (still) never really in doubt. I'm sure it gives them a massive case of heartburn to do it, but even the Tranzi twits in Congress know they must support Israel - or get ripped to shreds in some future November.

Iran's backing of Hezbollah is transparent enough that the US Congress will soon be revisiting the resolutions to smack down Iran. The House version, which was a clear warrant for Bush to proceed against Iran to prevent them from acquiring nukes by all available means, will be resurrected and sent back to the joint committee. And this time, the Senate will have to get tough or feel the wrath of the voters who roundly support Israel. That 20% segment of Paleo-sympathetic morons won't provide enough cover.

Israel's actions (Go Olmert!) will tip the scales and Bush will get his warrant to prosecute Iran and, as their proxy puppet, Syria. I'll bet my next paycheck that a fat resupply list of military hardware and munitions is being worked on at this minute between the Israel MoD and the Pentagon.

With Hezbollah joining the conflict, the door has opened wide to allow, politically, the US to jump in. Thanks, fools. Funny how the asshats always manage to shoot first and think later. The Donks have to be going apeshit about now, wondering how they can triangulate this -- and realizing they can't. Scream and wail and gnash teeth, you fucking assholes.

I hate politics only slightly less than I hate IslamoNazis, the Klepto UN, and Tranzi Tools, but this will happen -- right after the G8 process completes, as "AT" said in another thread.

Gonna be an interesting summer. Bang the drum and saddle up. That very bumpy ride has, indeed, begun.

Posted by flyover 2006-07-13 17:03|| 2006-07-13 17:03|| Front Page Top

#7 Oh, I forgot to add that I think the UN "response", which will be a stream of anti-Israel screeching, all vetoed by the US (and, perhaps, others), will help a great deal in making it clear to the US public, that 80% of non-useful tools, that the UN is seriously and (I hope) irreparably broken. The expected Kofi Stupid Statements have already begun - implying both absurd moral equivalency BS and that Israel should not be allowed to defend itself or its people - and his big mouth will help seal the UN's fate.

Americans don't take kindly to kidnappers, no matter what they say to justify it. The end-time of the Middle East Muddle, a State Department Production: from the asinine Camp David games to the various Tranzi Accords and Road Maps, has come, IMO.

Posted by flyover 2006-07-13 17:23|| 2006-07-13 17:23|| Front Page Top

#8 Now on FoxNews is confirmation: Jane Harmon (and I'm no fan of hers) is confirming the missile (not a rocket) that hit Haifa was an Iranian al-Fajer missile and most likely fired by Iranians, not Hamas idjits. She says this seriously ups the ante and makes Iran directly culpable.

"This changes the situation considerably."
-Janeypoo

I agree. Thanks, Jane. Glad you spoke before consulting with your triangulators. Now go beat the living shit out of your party's assholes for us. Give Bush the warrant. Now.

Thank you, Mullahs. Death from Above.

Posted by flyover 2006-07-13 17:43|| 2006-07-13 17:43|| Front Page Top

#9 Uh-oh, that really ups the ante.

Posted by Tony (UK) 2006-07-13 18:00|| 2006-07-13 18:00|| Front Page Top

#10 Time for the nukes to fly and the muzzies to die.

Posted by mac 2006-07-13 18:18|| 2006-07-13 18:18|| Front Page Top

#11 hey Flyover! 40K?

Posted by SR-71 2006-07-13 18:28|| 2006-07-13 18:28|| Front Page Top

#12 With this latest Iranian missle bit thrown in things are going to get really interesting now!

Yikes!

Posted by RJB in JC MO 2006-07-13 18:38|| 2006-07-13 18:38|| Front Page Top

#13 As an aside, a Russian defector who used the name Suvarov, once wrote a very interesting piece on the invasion of Czechoslovakia. He said the Red Army was very puzzled about the invasion, because they had been expecting to invade Yugoslavia.

The Czechs had been one of Russia's best allies, and were always helpful and supportive; but the Yugoslavians, under Tito, were obnoxious, rebellious, and went out of their way to offend and irritate Russia.

So why invade Czechoslovakia?

Whereas the Czechs were loyal, they were liberal. They were allowing a free press and many other civil rights, and were even moving in the direction of democracy. But Yugoslavia was bitterly oppressive to its own people--a true authoritarian dictatorship.

And Russia's prerogatives at the time felt far more threatened by liberal democracy and civil rights. They could live with a brutal dictator who hated them.

Since I read this, I now ask the deeper question about war. What can we tolerate, and what behavior by another country is intolerable to us?

For example, the US invasions of Granada and Panama. They were not obvious at all to the typical American. Why should we invade some unimportant fly-specs?

So now look at the current situation. A big jump indeed from the simplicity of our reasons for Granada. And one that doesn't just apply to us, but to Israel as well.

Is Israel content, as in the past, to fight the proxies in the war, Hamas and Hezbollah? Are the actions serious enough to warrant an attack against Syria? Knowing that Iran has signed a mutual defense agreement with Syria?

If the US enters the fray, will it limit itself to Iran, or will it attack Syria? And what of other nations that wish to play? Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, NATO?

The question goes back to what is tolerable and what is intolerable? Things that may not be as easy to imagine as all that. Not just to us, but to Israel as well.

What if the Israeli soldiers are paraded around Tehran? Large missiles fired effectively at Israeli cities? Is it possible to know what the Israelis will grin and bear, and what will make them go berserker on the Arabs and/or the Iranians?

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-07-13 19:20|| 2006-07-13 19:20|| Front Page Top

#14 SR-71 - Sorry Bro, my internet response has gone straight to shit. Make that MegaShit. I have some very choice words I'll withhold...

40K? A Wargamer or Music reference?

I was thinking literally - in the third dimension - and recalling some of those "colorful" and "unauthorized" patches from my youth, LOL. Not the 502nd mind you, as we don't need to put boots on the ground. We just need to stage some TOT waves on the 1500+ aimpoints that Gen McInerny has talked about. Sorry if this reply disappoints. :)

Posted by flyover 2006-07-13 19:21|| 2006-07-13 19:21|| Front Page Top

#15 Flyover - That works for me. It's time to inflict some real pain on the asshats. They think that our "decency" will restrain us indefinitely. However I see a hardening of attitudes here, even among the borderline moonbats.

My son and I play the wargame. Assault troops use that motto in the game.

Posted by SR-71 2006-07-13 21:10|| 2006-07-13 21:10|| Front Page Top

#16 Ah, gotcha. If the Iranian IRG are proven to be behind the Haifa attacks, then you'll find more "entertainment" here, and long overdue it is, I think. If we only knew everything that Bush knows - and exactly who is telling him what... :)

Posted by flyover 2006-07-13 21:22|| 2006-07-13 21:22|| Front Page Top

#17 My son starts basic training at Ft Sill Sept 22nd - I hope this shit is finished soon, and in favor of our interests

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-07-13 21:32|| 2006-07-13 21:32|| Front Page Top

#18 Moose,

Whose side will Russia, China and Pakistan take?

It is unfortunate the UN has become a laughing stock, because now is when it could earn its pay. But it will be worse than useless. Good thing there's a G8 coming up. However, I suspect nothing will stop the descent to war because it's what Ahmadinajihad & the MM want. I sure hope those Israelis don't show up in any videos.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-13 21:33|| 2006-07-13 21:33|| Front Page Top

#19 Best of luck to him Frank. I'm sure your proud. Arty or intel?

Posted by 49 Pan 2006-07-13 21:44|| 2006-07-13 21:44|| Front Page Top

#20 Please thank him for his service and wish him Godspeed.

Posted by SR-71 2006-07-13 22:08|| 2006-07-13 22:08|| Front Page Top

#21 Nimble Spemble: What side will Russia, China and Pakistan take? What about Egypt? Will the Norks try to take advantage of the situation?

But that is the other side. Equally important is what Israel and the US will do. And why.

Who would have thought that kidnapping a single soldier would result in an invasion of Gaza, and of kidnapping two, of Lebanon. The US has lost many soldiers to enemies and not invaded or even attacked. But the Israelis have different prerogatives.

If they suspect their soldiers have been moved to Damascus, will they attack Syria?

Will the US let them fight Syria and not get involved, or will we only get involved if Iran joins the side of Syria?

And here's a good question: what about the West Bank? Are they going to try and open a third, or fourth, front against Israel?

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-07-13 22:08|| 2006-07-13 22:08|| Front Page Top

#22 I would not be surprised if every body is getting a bit nervous.

I tend to see this as a test for Olmert. He flunked in Gaza. Hezb learned the lesson and pulled the same stuff in Lebanon and then he overreacted. Now we're getting into one of those punk fights where nobody will back down and somebody actually gets badly hurt. I think that's what Iran wants, though they may not like the timing. I think they want enough time to test a nuke before January 2009 so they can jerk the new pres around like this on day 1.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-07-13 22:15|| 2006-07-13 22:15|| Front Page Top

#23 Anonymoose, the US went to war against Greneda because Nicaragua had upped their support of Commie Rebels in El Salvador and was expecting a shipment of Hind helicopters. The US felt we had to draw a line to send a message to the Soviets and invading Nicaragua was not in the cards. That's the way I understood it. The rest was just propaganda and bullshit. Nicaraguan support for Commies in El Salvador slowed as a result.

The invasion of Panama was because Pinapple head declared war on us and that happened so infrequently in those days we couldn't pass up the chance for a live fire training exercise.

Posted by rjschwarz">rjschwarz 2006-07-13 22:23|| rjschwarz.com]">[rjschwarz.com] 2006-07-13 22:23|| Front Page Top

#24 Years from now, the kidnapping of Corporal Gilad Shalit will be regarded like the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand

In this version, the role of the Hapsburgs will be played by the Alawites; the role of Germany will be played by Iran, soon to be renamed Persia, Lebanon will play the role of France as host of much of the actual carnage, and the allied US, British and Austrialian forces will reprise their roles as themselves.

Posted by Baba Tutu 2006-07-13 22:40|| 2006-07-13 22:40|| Front Page Top

#25 Intel - first assignment after basic: Ft Huachaca, AZ

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-07-13 22:43|| 2006-07-13 22:43|| Front Page Top

#26 I'm not the only one, by far. Dave D has a son just returned. Pray he doesn't have to go back quickly...Let the Air Force earn thir pay from high altitude and accurate firepower. We don't want to occupy Syria, Iran, NK or Hizbollah-land. Just bomb them into the 7th century, as requested.

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2006-07-13 22:46|| 2006-07-13 22:46|| Front Page Top

#27 I believe that the article's main premise regards Cpl Shalit is absolutely right. That will be seen soon as a watershed moment in history. I am very sorry for Shalit - I'm certain his fate is sealed, but the animals on Israel's borders - and beyond - have jumped the shark and will now pay. All of them.

I'm not so sure...

To many times we've seen political and "diplomatic" deals end what should have been decisive conflicts which would have ended the situation in just that - a decisive - manner.

Instead we get diplomacy and politics and end up with both sides growling at each other and nothing decided - and it just goes on and on and on without resolution.

We live in a world where decisive conflict resolution is really the only effective means of dealing with deviant/antisocial/psychopathic behavior, but we keep trying to be reasonable and civilized people and deal civilly with situations which would better off, in many cases, be dealt with through the calculated use of large amounts of high explosives and the unmeasured use of force.

But some bunch of damned fools will refuse to believe that this conflict can (and should) only be resolved by force of arms and will essentially force Israel and the terrorists and their sponsors to "come to the table" and talk things out.

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